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Adult billers, how do you explain Zombaio undercutting you by more than half?
I would be very interested to know how it is that your new competitor can offer such a discounted rate. How do you justify rates from 10-15%?
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they say that their rates ar as low as 4,9%...
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sorry, it seems to be =4,9%
https://www.zombaio.com/rates.asp
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However, I think it's 7.9 or 4.9% based on how you sign up. Two different ways. They are based in Sweden. Although they have three regional offices I believe. |
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ibill was able to undercut epoch and ccbill for years, then they tanked. talk to me after Zombaio has been around in adult for 4-5 years
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well, Visa takes something like 2% so Zombaio makes 2,9 points profit and the rest between 8 and 13. from that they pay their employees, backend, fraud control, airplanes etc. ;)
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Zombaio give a eu presence as well.
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Our average rate at CCBill is about 11.5 to 12%. For that, I get :
- A live, human on the phone every single time I call. A US person at that. - Instant advice from DougW, Corvette & the crew - Fast replies to requests, instant action when fraud is suspected. - Email and phone calls when they suspect an affiliate is being naughty. - An attentive ear that considers new ideas - No Velocity constraints (they let us manage our own) - Actual, Genuine business Help and Support whenever we need it. - Never, ever, a single late payment. - Invites to Playboy. I think this is how they justify the higher fees. Works for me.
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Parking right here.
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Does Zombaio have any chargeback fees? CCBill doesn't.
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It's 7.9% when you sign up. When you ask about the 4.9% rate they promote they change it to 4.9% ( It was like that when I signed up 13 months ago ... )
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Adult billers have been raping the industry for years because they can !!! there has been no other choice, thus the fancy parties, planes ect..... Now a new Fair company is in town, this will be interresting to see the long term results.
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However, if you want real local billing solutions for the EU, you need to have in addition to your merchant account, WebBilling Direct Debit and Advanced Direct Pay in your cascade...
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With their rates they can afford not to
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True fucking dat.
![]() CCB also vigoriously fights charge backs from what I hear. But when they win a dispute, you do not get the money back. They just keep it. Yes. Zombaio has charge back fee. $10-15 I think. |
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Exactly. No sense in getting a discounted rate if the company doesn't have a long track record on timely payments/stability. At least with CCbill I can wake up Every Monday and feel completely confident the wire has hit my account.
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And ibill's rate had nothing to do with their collapse.
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4% of nothing is um you get the point lol
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Over a year with Zombaio, every wire on time and those due on Sat show up on Fridays.
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Actually EPGBill in Germany offers the same rates as Zombaio, and they've been around longer....
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they were giving people grumbling about leaving them 10% or less as their rates, and even charging below their own costs in order to prevent volume from leaving them and the reason they crumbled is because they ultimately ran out of $, so it did contribute |
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I thought iBill's parent company, that they where a subsidiary of, is what took them down. Not charging 10% on processing that realistically costs them 3%.
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CCBILL is bending you over and fucking you in the ass. whether you want to admit it or not..
They are charging 1995 rates.. Theres tons of mainstream processors who are 10% LESS than CCBILL, and they have live support, etc... ccbill charges as much cause they know you trust them... jesus i need to get into billing business..LOL For every $1million processed, their revenue is at least $100,000 jeebus..
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![]() they didn't crumble because they ran out of money because they were charging too low of a rate ![]() If zombiao is run right they can most definetly stay in business at those rates, they just wont be able to afford their own jet and shit.
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it had absolutely nothing to do with the rate they charged, which was almost exactly the same as what ccbill was charging anyway.
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yeah ccbill has given people illusion that anyone charging under 10% cannot sustain.. of course you can.. granted adult has more fraud, etc, but STILL theres big mainstream companies that are <5%, just cause its adult and banks are harder to secure doesnt justify the +10% now does it?
honestly ccbill should go and buy owners of ibill,globill, et al a bottle of wine.. those guys have helped their business more than they can imagine.. You dont start a company charging a certain rate, then 10 years later when EVERYTHING is cheaper, you still charge the same rate.lol
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does ccbill really have a jet? lol
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sure, there were many reasons ibill went under, money was the biggest, after the original owners sold ibill to the new owners, the road to ruin began, and at some point they were offering and charging their largest clients crazy fees to convince them not to jump ship, wont argue with you there
im just saying everyone is charging 10%+ epoch, verotel, all the other processors. i want to give it some time before i decide about zombaio, lets say 2 years, maybe more, ive seen some really bad posts about them |
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With each year zombaio is around it will justify 1% to me. Since they have lasted a year I am willing to add them as a backup biller. With time will come trust and more money with them.
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Does CCBill charge more than others? Actually, no - there are a few out there who charge a bit more. Am I paying too much? MAYBE, but as Scott said, I feel pretty confident that they won't be closing up shop any time soon.
Of course everyone should shop around for processors, I'm not saying not to. What I am saying is that you do not normally want to suddenly switch processors just because someone else is cheaper. If you count on weekly payouts and decide to switch companies, you run the risk of interrupting your cash flow. The best possible thing to do is to sign-up for multiple processors. This way should anything happen to your main processor you can switch in a hurry.
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What bad stuff have you heard about them? I can't find one post here where someone had a bad experience with them.
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