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pentae · 10-13-2009, 04:51 PM

I would be very interested to know how it is that your new competitor can offer such a discounted rate. How do you justify rates from 10-15%?

Toma · 10-13-2009, 05:06 PM

they say that their rates ar as low as 4,9%...

Toma · 10-13-2009, 05:12 PM

sorry, it seems to be =4,9%
https://www.zombaio.com/rates.asp

Barefootsies · 10-13-2009, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Toma

they say that their rates ar as low as 4,9%...

You are correct fine sire.

However, I think it's 7.9 or 4.9% based on how you sign up. Two different ways.

They are based in Sweden. Although they have three regional offices I believe.

Jim_Gunn · 10-13-2009, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Toma

they say that their rates ar as low as 4,9%...

That rate is given out freely to anyone who agrees to the terms which include using a mailing address in Sweden as if that was your company address. I have it for my VOD site and they have paid me on time so far.

Barefootsies · 10-13-2009, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by pentae

I would be very interested to know how it is that your new competitor can offer such a discounted rate. How do you justify rates from 10-15%?

That is like bitching about CCB's refusal to offer ACH, and eliminate the $15 wire fee. Or actually pay you EARLY like others do before holidays, instead of making you wait until the business day after.

jcsike · 10-13-2009, 05:16 PM

ibill was able to undercut epoch and ccbill for years, then they tanked. talk to me after Zombaio has been around in adult for 4-5 years

MaDalton · 10-13-2009, 05:17 PM

well, Visa takes something like 2% so Zombaio makes 2,9 points profit and the rest between 8 and 13. from that they pay their employees, backend, fraud control, airplanes etc. ;)

Barefootsies · 10-13-2009, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

well, Visa takes something like 2% so Zombaio makes 2,9 points profit and the rest between 8 and 13. from that they pay their employees, backend, fraud control, airplanes etc. ;)

Maybe they need it to buy BRO drinks at conferences.

alias · 10-13-2009, 08:25 PM

Zombaio give a eu presence as well.

2MuchMark · 10-13-2009, 08:38 PM

Our average rate at CCBill is about 11.5 to 12%. For that, I get :

- A live, human on the phone every single time I call. A US person at that.
- Instant advice from DougW, Corvette & the crew
- Fast replies to requests, instant action when fraud is suspected.
- Email and phone calls when they suspect an affiliate is being naughty.
- An attentive ear that considers new ideas
- No Velocity constraints (they let us manage our own)
- Actual, Genuine business Help and Support whenever we need it.
- Never, ever, a single late payment.
- Invites to Playboy.

I think this is how they justify the higher fees. Works for me.

Shoplifter · 10-13-2009, 09:03 PM

Parking right here.

Iron Fist · 10-13-2009, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by **********

Our average rate at CCBill is about 11.5 to 12%. For that, I get :

- Invites to Playboy.

Works for me.

Fixed that for ya...

fuzebox · 10-13-2009, 09:26 PM

Does Zombaio have any chargeback fees? CCBill doesn't.

DamageX · 10-14-2009, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

Does Zombaio have any chargeback fees? CCBill doesn't.

Chargeback fee $12.50 / ?10.00

https://www.zombaio.com/rates.asp

Davy · 10-14-2009, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by pentae

Adult billers, how do you explain Zombaio undercutting you by more than half?

Very good question.

4pleasure · 10-14-2009, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

You are correct fine sire.

However, I think it's 7.9 or 4.9% based on how you sign up. Two different ways.

They are based in Sweden. Although they have three regional offices I believe.

It's 7.9% when you sign up. When you ask about the 4.9% rate they promote they change it to 4.9% ( It was like that when I signed up 13 months ago ... )

4pleasure · 10-14-2009, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

Chargeback fee $12.50 / ?10.00

https://www.zombaio.com/rates.asp

True. However, I have never had a chargeback with Zombaio in 13 months of processing with them...

Boss Traffic Jim · 10-14-2009, 06:07 AM

Adult billers have been raping the industry for years because they can !!! there has been no other choice, thus the fancy parties, planes ect..... Now a new Fair company is in town, this will be interresting to see the long term results.

Wizzo · 10-14-2009, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by alias

Zombaio give a eu presence as well.

However, if you want real local billing solutions for the EU, you need to have in addition to your merchant account, WebBilling Direct Debit and Advanced Direct Pay in your cascade...

Russian · 10-14-2009, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

Does Zombaio have any chargeback fees? CCBill doesn't.

With their rates they can afford not to

CIVMatt · 10-14-2009, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by **********

Our average rate at CCBill is about 11.5 to 12%. For that, I get :

- A live, human on the phone every single time I call. A US person at that.
- Instant advice from DougW, Corvette & the crew
- Fast replies to requests, instant action when fraud is suspected.
- Email and phone calls when they suspect an affiliate is being naughty.
- An attentive ear that considers new ideas
- No Velocity constraints (they let us manage our own)
- Actual, Genuine business Help and Support whenever we need it.
- Never, ever, a single late payment.
- Invites to Playboy.

I think this is how they justify the higher fees. Works for me.

While they have never invoted me to playboy, I always have a live person instantly on the phone whenever I need them so that's A-OK with me

Barefootsies · 10-14-2009, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Russian

With their rates they can afford not to

True fucking dat.

CCB also vigoriously fights charge backs from what I hear. But when they win a dispute, you do not get the money back. They just keep it.

Yes. Zombaio has charge back fee. $10-15 I think.

seeandsee · 10-14-2009, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by **********

Our average rate at CCBill is about 11.5 to 12%. For that, I get :

- A live, human on the phone every single time I call. A US person at that.
- Instant advice from DougW, Corvette & the crew
- Fast replies to requests, instant action when fraud is suspected.
- Email and phone calls when they suspect an affiliate is being naughty.
- An attentive ear that considers new ideas
- No Velocity constraints (they let us manage our own)
- Actual, Genuine business Help and Support whenever we need it.
- Never, ever, a single late payment.
- Invites to Playboy.

I think this is how they justify the higher fees. Works for me.

Brent 3dSexCash · 10-14-2009, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by jcsike

ibill was able to undercut epoch and ccbill for years, then they tanked. talk to me after Zombaio has been around in adult for 4-5 years

Exactly. No sense in getting a discounted rate if the company doesn't have a long track record on timely payments/stability. At least with CCbill I can wake up Every Monday and feel completely confident the wire has hit my account.

pentae · 10-14-2009, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by **********

Our average rate at CCBill is about 11.5 to 12%. For that, I get :

- A live, human on the phone every single time I call. A US person at that.
- Instant advice from DougW, Corvette & the crew
- Fast replies to requests, instant action when fraud is suspected.
- Email and phone calls when they suspect an affiliate is being naughty.
- An attentive ear that considers new ideas
- No Velocity constraints (they let us manage our own)
- Actual, Genuine business Help and Support whenever we need it.
- Never, ever, a single late payment.
- Invites to Playboy.

I think this is how they justify the higher fees. Works for me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

That is like bitching about CCB's refusal to offer ACH, and eliminate the $15 wire fee. Or actually pay you EARLY like others do before holidays, instead of making you wait until the business day after.

So your happy to let CCbill basically own 5% of your business? if your grossing a million a year in sales your happy to pay CCBill $50k a year for some friendly guys to talk to and invites to playboy? How can you compare 5% to bitching about a $15 wire fee? Maybe if your a small money loser making $30k off his godaddy hosted domain Barefootsies..

will76 · 10-14-2009, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by pentae

I would be very interested to know how it is that your new competitor can offer such a discounted rate. How do you justify rates from 10-15%?

Zombaio doesn't have it's own jet? therefore it can afford to charge much lower ??

will76 · 10-14-2009, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jcsike

ibill was able to undercut epoch and ccbill for years, then they tanked. talk to me after Zombaio has been around in adult for 4-5 years

Actually Ibill wasn't that much cheaper if at all. I believe they both charged around 15% at the time. At least that is what I was paying with ibill and what the regular rate was, I don't know what sweet deals they made with people processing 100K a day etc...

And ibill's rate had nothing to do with their collapse.

datatank · 10-14-2009, 02:01 PM

4% of nothing is um you get the point lol

TisMe · 10-14-2009, 02:10 PM

Over a year with Zombaio, every wire on time and those due on Sat show up on Fridays.

sperbonzo · 10-14-2009, 02:20 PM

Actually EPGBill in Germany offers the same rates as Zombaio, and they've been around longer....

jcsike · 10-14-2009, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76

Actually Ibill wasn't that much cheaper if at all.

And ibill's rate had nothing to do with their collapse.

yes they were and yes it did

they were giving people grumbling about leaving them 10% or less as their rates, and even charging below their own costs in order to prevent volume from leaving them

and the reason they crumbled is because they ultimately ran out of $, so it did contribute

pentae · 10-14-2009, 03:02 PM

I thought iBill's parent company, that they where a subsidiary of, is what took them down. Not charging 10% on processing that realistically costs them 3%.

Barefootsies · 10-14-2009, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Actually EPGBill in Germany offers the same rates as Zombaio, and they've been around longer....

There you have it.

Net Money · 10-14-2009, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76

Zombaio doesn't have it's own jet? therefore it can afford to charge much lower ??

That is certainally one of the resons for sure...

webmasterchecks · 10-14-2009, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by **********

Our average rate at CCBill is about 11.5 to 12%. For that, I get :

- A live, human on the phone every single time I call. A US person at that.
- Instant advice from DougW, Corvette & the crew
- Fast replies to requests, instant action when fraud is suspected.
- Email and phone calls when they suspect an affiliate is being naughty.
- An attentive ear that considers new ideas
- No Velocity constraints (they let us manage our own)
- Actual, Genuine business Help and Support whenever we need it.
- Never, ever, a single late payment.
- Invites to Playboy.

I think this is how they justify the higher fees. Works for me.

peace of mind is Priceless

xxweekxx · 10-14-2009, 04:50 PM

CCBILL is bending you over and fucking you in the ass. whether you want to admit it or not..

They are charging 1995 rates..

Theres tons of mainstream processors who are 10% LESS than CCBILL, and they have live support, etc...

ccbill charges as much cause they know you trust them... jesus i need to get into billing business..LOL

For every $1million processed, their revenue is at least $100,000

jeebus..

will76 · 10-14-2009, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jcsike

yes they were and yes it did

they were giving people grumbling about leaving them 10% or less as their rates, and even charging below their own costs in order to prevent volume from leaving them

and the reason they crumbled is because they ultimately ran out of $, so it did contribute

your arguments are way off. The vast majority of people with ibill were getting charged 15% just like with ccbill. And just like with ccbill if you are a really big client they will reduce your rate down to around 10%. No major difference in rates what so ever between ibill and ccbill. The biggest difference between the two companies and why one is still around and one is not was because of how they were run.

they didn't crumble because they ran out of money because they were charging too low of a rate

they went out of business mainly because they lost their ability to process visa... among several other things which isn't worth spending 20 mins reposting them all here.

If zombiao is run right they can most definetly stay in business at those rates, they just wont be able to afford their own jet and shit.

will76 · 10-14-2009, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pentae

I thought iBill's parent company, that they where a subsidiary of, is what took them down. Not charging 10% on processing that realistically costs them 3%.

being bought and sold a couple times over, once to a company who later realized that 90% of the transactions were adult and they didnt want to have anything to do with adult, who sold it to another company who was just looking to loot it, etc etc etc etc etc.... you cant count the number of fuckups that ibill did over the last 3-4 years they were in business. And the nail in the coffin was losing the ability to process visa.

it had absolutely nothing to do with the rate they charged, which was almost exactly the same as what ccbill was charging anyway.

xxweekxx · 10-14-2009, 04:57 PM

yeah ccbill has given people illusion that anyone charging under 10% cannot sustain.. of course you can.. granted adult has more fraud, etc, but STILL theres big mainstream companies that are <5%, just cause its adult and banks are harder to secure doesnt justify the +10% now does it?

honestly ccbill should go and buy owners of ibill,globill, et al a bottle of wine.. those guys have helped their business more than they can imagine..

You dont start a company charging a certain rate, then 10 years later when EVERYTHING is cheaper, you still charge the same rate.lol

SleazyDream · 10-14-2009, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by **********

Our average rate at CCBill is about 11.5 to 12%. For that, I get :

- A live, human on the phone every single time I call. A US person at that.
- Instant advice from DougW, Corvette & the crew
- Fast replies to requests, instant action when fraud is suspected.
- Email and phone calls when they suspect an affiliate is being naughty.
- An attentive ear that considers new ideas
- No Velocity constraints (they let us manage our own)
- Actual, Genuine business Help and Support whenever we need it.
- Never, ever, a single late payment.
- Invites to Playboy.

I think this is how they justify the higher fees. Works for me.

plus somehow you just KNOW they won't run off with the money

I'm way more comfortable with a stable US company in processing

xxweekxx · 10-14-2009, 05:00 PM

does ccbill really have a jet? lol

jcsike · 10-14-2009, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76

your arguments are way off.

sure, there were many reasons ibill went under, money was the biggest, after the original owners sold ibill to the new owners, the road to ruin began, and at some point they were offering and charging their largest clients crazy fees to convince them not to jump ship, wont argue with you there

im just saying everyone is charging 10%+ epoch, verotel, all the other processors.

i want to give it some time before i decide about zombaio, lets say 2 years, maybe more, ive seen some really bad posts about them

After Shock Media · 10-14-2009, 07:11 PM

With each year zombaio is around it will justify 1% to me. Since they have lasted a year I am willing to add them as a backup biller. With time will come trust and more money with them.

Barefootsies · 10-14-2009, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcsike

i want to give it some time before i decide about zombaio, lets say 2 years, maybe more, ive seen some really bad posts about them

We'll see you in two years then.

/thread closed

Barefootsies · 10-14-2009, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

With each year zombaio is around

Quote:

Our History

The company started in Basingstoke, United Kingdom in 2003 as an acquirer for iGaming Networks. A Swedish division was established in 2005. During the fall 2006 the adoption of an unexpected approval of the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act, criminalizing the collection of payments (Cross-border) for non US based online gambling networks.

With a reliable and scalable transaction platform we decided to establish in the adult entertainment industry, which we did and opened an US division in 2007 (Zombaio). The brand and product Zombaio.com was released 3rd of October 2007 with a large advertising campaign.

Originally, our two founders come from RBS (Royal Bank of Scotland) where they were responsible for structuring the pay platform that today is one of the world's 5 largest platforms. Naturally, we have full redundancy in the systems, whose sites are located in Stockholm (Sweden), Frankfurt (Germany) and Mountain View (CA, USA).

Both the company and the platform are Visa and MasterCard PCI DSS certified by TrustWave.
Certificate of Compliance

Our aim is to continue to provide services that are firmly established in the market based on the latest technology. Zombaio takes an offencive role in the market offering daily payouts, anti fraud insurance and marketable processing prices.

jcsike · 10-14-2009, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

We'll see you in two years then.

2MuchMark · 10-14-2009, 07:34 PM

Does CCBill charge more than others? Actually, no - there are a few out there who charge a bit more. Am I paying too much? MAYBE, but as Scott said, I feel pretty confident that they won't be closing up shop any time soon.

Of course everyone should shop around for processors, I'm not saying not to. What I am saying is that you do not normally want to suddenly switch processors just because someone else is cheaper. If you count on weekly payouts and decide to switch companies, you run the risk of interrupting your cash flow.

The best possible thing to do is to sign-up for multiple processors. This way should anything happen to your main processor you can switch in a hurry.

will76 · 10-14-2009, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcsike

sure, there were many reasons ibill went under, money was the biggest, after the original owners sold ibill to the new owners, the road to ruin began, and at some point they were offering and charging their largest clients crazy fees to convince them not to jump ship, wont argue with you there

im just saying everyone is charging 10%+ epoch, verotel, all the other processors.

i want to give it some time before i decide about zombaio, lets say 2 years, maybe more, ive seen some really bad posts about them

I think they are getting close to 2 years, i pretty sure it is well over a year that they have been posting here.

What bad stuff have you heard about them? I can't find one post here where someone had a bad experience with them.

Barefootsies · 10-14-2009, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

I think they are getting close to 2 years, i pretty sure it is well over a year that they have been posting here.

What bad stuff have you heard about them? I can't find one post here where someone had a bad experience with them.

10-13-2009, 04:51 PM	#1
pentae Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Inconceivable! Posts: 899	Adult billers, how do you explain Zombaio undercutting you by more than half? I would be very interested to know how it is that your new competitor can offer such a discounted rate. How do you justify rates from 10-15%?

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Toma Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,248	they say that their rates ar as low as 4,9%... __________________ .!.

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MaDalton I am Amazing Content! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 39,829	well, Visa takes something like 2% so Zombaio makes 2,9 points profit and the rest between 8 and 13. from that they pay their employees, backend, fraud control, airplanes etc. ;) __________________ AmazingContent.com - providing only the best content and service since 2003 Monetize your content on Veegaz.com - one of Germanies largest VOD sites Got German traffic? We convert it into money for you! Skype: madalton02826 - Email: oltecconsult [at] gmail [dot] com

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2MuchMark Videochat Solutions Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 49,296	Our average rate at CCBill is about 11.5 to 12%. For that, I get : - A live, human on the phone every single time I call. A US person at that. - Instant advice from DougW, Corvette & the crew - Fast replies to requests, instant action when fraud is suspected. - Email and phone calls when they suspect an affiliate is being naughty. - An attentive ear that considers new ideas - No Velocity constraints (they let us manage our own) - Actual, Genuine business Help and Support whenever we need it. - Never, ever, a single late payment. - Invites to Playboy. I think this is how they justify the higher fees. Works for me. __________________ Custom Coding \| Videochat Solutions \| Age Verification \| IT Help & Support www.2Much.net

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fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,119	Does Zombaio have any chargeback fees? CCBill doesn't.

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Boss Traffic Jim Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USA Posts: 1,150	Adult billers have been raping the industry for years because they can !!! there has been no other choice, thus the fancy parties, planes ect..... Now a new Fair company is in town, this will be interresting to see the long term results.

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datatank Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: My dog is blacker than Tupac Posts: 5,471	4% of nothing is um you get the point lol

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TisMe Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,719	Over a year with Zombaio, every wire on time and those due on Sat show up on Fridays.

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pentae Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Inconceivable! Posts: 899	I thought iBill's parent company, that they where a subsidiary of, is what took them down. Not charging 10% on processing that realistically costs them 3%.

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xxweekxx Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 6,780	CCBILL is bending you over and fucking you in the ass. whether you want to admit it or not.. They are charging 1995 rates.. Theres tons of mainstream processors who are 10% LESS than CCBILL, and they have live support, etc... ccbill charges as much cause they know you trust them... jesus i need to get into billing business..LOL For every $1million processed, their revenue is at least $100,000 jeebus.. __________________ _________________ I am the best

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xxweekxx Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 6,780	yeah ccbill has given people illusion that anyone charging under 10% cannot sustain.. of course you can.. granted adult has more fraud, etc, but STILL theres big mainstream companies that are <5%, just cause its adult and banks are harder to secure doesnt justify the +10% now does it? honestly ccbill should go and buy owners of ibill,globill, et al a bottle of wine.. those guys have helped their business more than they can imagine.. You dont start a company charging a certain rate, then 10 years later when EVERYTHING is cheaper, you still charge the same rate.lol __________________ _________________ I am the best Last edited by xxweekxx; 10-14-2009 at 04:58 PM..

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10-14-2009, 07:34 PM	#48
2MuchMark Videochat Solutions Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 49,296	Does CCBill charge more than others? Actually, no - there are a few out there who charge a bit more. Am I paying too much? MAYBE, but as Scott said, I feel pretty confident that they won't be closing up shop any time soon. Of course everyone should shop around for processors, I'm not saying not to. What I am saying is that you do not normally want to suddenly switch processors just because someone else is cheaper. If you count on weekly payouts and decide to switch companies, you run the risk of interrupting your cash flow. The best possible thing to do is to sign-up for multiple processors. This way should anything happen to your main processor you can switch in a hurry. __________________ Custom Coding \| Videochat Solutions \| Age Verification \| IT Help & Support www.2Much.net