epitome

I am trying to take myself off after four years of treatment. After my most recent surgery, I want to see if I can go without them.

God damn is this physical withdrawal a bitch. Makes me want to smoke a bowl, but that would be counterproductive since I want to be pure. Well, maybe if weed wasn't laced with God knows what these days ... I don't feel like smoking the PCP laced weed.

Fuck this shit. Fuck my legs. I want to run a marathon.

Actually, I switched to Tramadol and haven't had opiates in many days, but now I am tapering myself off the Tramadol too and my body hates me for it.

Interesting factoid ... John Hopkins, of the infamous Johns Hopkins Hospital, consumed a ton of opiates each day.

No, you cannot have my leftover pills. I've already promised them to the toilet, which is where they belong.

Elli

Good luck with the struggle, E.

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Machete_

I'm using Dolol(Tramadol) when the pain in my back gets to much. Only need it one or two times a year for a few days, and 3 days ago I had to take it for a short time.

I get so dissy from the stuff by the end of the day, and cant feel a bloody thing. But the good thing is, I sleep SOOOO well. They say its addictive as well, so I'm glad I only need it so few days a year

Ayla_SquareTurtle

PCP laced weed? Fuck, you need a new source.

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epitome

Thanks, Elli!

Kris: Don't worry too much. They still can't decide as to whether Tramadol is actually addictive. They just monitor for the signs but most people should be A-OK. That is why it is not controlled in any fashion in the US.

Also, addiction is tricky. If you're taking it purely for pain relief and are not going for a high, you'll be fine. It took me a long time to figure out that mental dependency and physical dependency are two different things. It is OK to be physically dependent; it's a side effect of treatment. The mind is the curve ball.

For instance, if you forget to take your pills, you're not an addict. If you're counting down until that next pill because they make you feel warm and fuzzy...you need to look into that.

Don't worry too much ... just pay attention to the reason you're taking that pill ... you don't need to worry unless the buzz becomes a priority.

epitome

PCP happens to be a popular street drug in both DC and Baltimore. Damn dusters.

epitome

Oh, and Kris, if you haven't been yet, go see a REAL pain specialist ... not a pill pusher, but a pain specialist.

They have so many safe treatments available these days ... stuff that regular docs have no clue about. One option that was being explored for me ... and had I had insurance ... was some sort of nerve stimulator that shuts down the pain signal from the source.

papill0n

exactly, fuck opiates

all the best epitome and stay strong

Machete_

I go to a specialist every 6 months and get a xray about once every 2 years. Been like that since 8th grade, so it's ok. We got social healthcare here, so that is not a problem to get it look at.

I try not to take the pills, because its really not healthy, but its small cracks in the disks in my back, and sometime it leads to small sweallings that pushes on the nerves.

Thankfully it only happens once or twice a year, because I cant do anything when it happens, and I am glad that I dont get addicted to the medicin, because I really dont feel good when im on them.

I hope you get better so you dont need that crap

Ayla_SquareTurtle

Exactly. That's why you buy your green stuff from the old hippie lady who grows it in her basement.

Hope you feel better soon.

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Persius

I also believe that's where LSD clinical trials took place in the sixties, where they used LSD for cognitive behavior & therapy

Machete_

dont they still use that?

Persius

I believe the government banned it as an addicting substance and i've read that it isn't.

www.erowid.org

Some of the most brilliant people you have ever heard of have done LSD and, using the insights gained while experiencing it, have changed the world. Steve Jobs of Apple Computer, Bill Gates, the richest man in the world, the Beatles, Aldus Huxley, author of "A Brave New World", Henry Luce, founder of TIME magazine, Cary Grant, the late actor, Stanley Krubrick, the great filmmaker among many others have all tried LSD and changed the world with their art and technology.

Machete_

They use (or at least did a year ago) LSD here as part of the treatment for terminal ill people (most cancer) to help minimize the sideeffect of the other drugs

Alky

flusing pills down the toilet is terrible for the water system... water treatment plants can't filter a lot of that shit out.

urgeag

Same here- but more like a week a couple times a year- i find i can be an asshole the day after i stop taking them...and is really fucks with my sleep for the first couple nights...

keep going though- it will be worth it when you finally get it out of yoru system

Machete_

i can be an asshole most days, pills or no pills

I take 3 pills a day for 4-5 days depending on how bad it is.

It would most likely affect me more, if I took them for a longer period. I'm just glad I dont have to eat them every day like some do.

alias

Never liked the feeling from opiates myself. Kick that shit.

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Darkland

You flush them down the toilet? Genius move... Maybe you should dispose of them properly.

"...this method of medicine disposal is potentially harmful to the environment."

http://generalmedicine.suite101.com/...uid_medication

http://www.associatedcontent.com/art..._medicine.html

BTW, good luck on getting clean. Sounds like you are in the middle of the roughest part. Don't give up.

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AaliyahLove

yes it is but I have never heard of one single case where someone got what they thought was "normal weed" and it was "laced" The only time I have ever heard of this is DARE classes in 4th grade. Smoke a bowl if you want, I think you are safe

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Phallus Fondue

I am with the others. do not flush them. the water system gets way to many drugs in it as it is and you have no need to contribute to the problem.

Darkland

I think this is extremely bad advice. He is suffering from a pre-existing addiction and to replace that with another drug may very well lead to a new addiction. While marijuana is not particularly an addictive drug on its own, people with an addictive type personality or known or already existing addiction can lead to more problems.

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HouseHead

I have been battling with opiates for years and years since I was giving oxycontin from a doctor after a car accident a few years ago. The WD's are so bad it is quite scary to even think about quitting. But I will be getting clean in the next few weeks I am stocking up on the meds needed to make the detox a little more 'pleasant'. ;/

Good luck my friend.

Jarmusch

kesha1

I think it still might work with a help of a professional.

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If you've only heard of it in DARE classes then you have had good luck or live in a tiny city. If you're a pothead in a major city that doesn't get their bud from medical clubs, there's a good chance you've smoked PCP before and had the worst high of your life.

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FrozenJag

Good Luck.

Tramadol is just as bad even though its not considered that class of drug.

I feel for yah. Keep with it and it will get better.

Ok i read some more posts... Trust me people, tramadol when used for longish periods of time is very addicting both mentally and physically. Just a week or two shouldnt be too bad though. If you go 1 month to years then watch out seriously.