I did not expect to have anything in common with you, but I guess I have then

jay what happened 2 the rss feeds damn

Very true!

The occash?...they are still running just fine.

brazzers makes good videos

And they steal the rest...

How about this video? Front page of pornhub right now:
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...key=1173430082

This is from our new site www.mystepdadmademe.com - which comes out next week. It's nice the brazzers guys to the liberty of releasing this for us.

Uhhh...Jay how the hell can they already have one of your vids when the site isn't even open yet.

Bro, I have been raising hell about the fact that nobody is bothering to protect their content, but you are taking content UN-protection to a whole new level when the pirates are stealing it before you even have it up! :(

Maybe the will make a deal and take over iPorn, they just wrote iPorn a check for $250,000 for bogus traffic.

If it can be downloaded it can be pirated. They burned the DVD to get that one.

Ah, DVD stuff that you are licensing. Got ya.
Yep, you're screwed with that kind of stuff right out of the gate. :(

We don't have a garden variety licensing deal with Evasive Angles. We have exclusive internet rights. Some of the sites come out at the same time as the DVDs, some before, some after.

This sounds like such an epic idea. If you saw multiple videos of yours were being illegally hosted on a tube site and you got together with several dozen others people that had multiple videos illegally hosted on the same site, you could file DMCA's in mass in such quantities that the tube sites wouldn't be able to address them all in the DMCA specified amount of time. Just sit on your requests for removal until you have several hundred / thousand between you and several other site owners and then file in unison.

That idea sounds like it will actually work.

I'm aware of your exclusive deal. I'm just saying that using an outsource company that is a DVD studio opens you up to anybody, anytime just buying the DVD at an adult bookstore, ripping it and uploading it. You have no protection against that. :(

Different than shooting your own stuff yourself and having 100% control over it was what I was saying.

I see what you are saying.

It also seems like this industry is so fucked up, if you try to scape a few extra bones by putting you stuff out on DVD, you get punished for it.

sounds like a slam dunk for a small claims lawsuit...... what's the maximum you can sue for in small claims court in your district?

Agreed, and with sales of DVD's so low (especially in comparison to 5 to 6 years ago) you are really better off not releasing it on DVD.

In 2008 I put out CM's "Claudia-Marie Big Titty Southern Milf" and distributed it with Frank (ivd) It made me about 35 grand for my cut.

Not worth the time or effort and now with piracy having grown to mammoth proportions...I don't even bother with DVD releases anymore.

I'm almost convinced that most people still doing DVD releases are doing them for their own egos and recognition from the L.A. scene (since all the awards are given out for DVD releases).

Funny, cause DVD releases are only seen by a handful of people....UNTIL they are released on the internet and then seen by millions.

The "awards" shows are really behind the times if you think about it. They should be handing out awards for scenes shot for the internet. That's where the fan base is.

me thinks you're fishing for an award :2 cents: :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup


tehe

You're damn right! Don't I deserve one??? Damn it! Look at ME everybody! Look at ME!!!
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:1orglaugh

sorry I was looking at claudia marie

We put out DVDs becasue it's the only way we can get broadcast and foreign rights deals is if you make DVDs; the buyers won't look at scenes off the net.

Good point.

You're definitely the exception that makes the rule. :)
When you explained that to me a few months ago I was pretty impressed. You found a way to make a buck with DVD sales that I'm not sure the old school studios have figured out. :thumbsup

I just thought about that for a few minutes...
You know, the buyers are making a pretty big mistake in that regard too.

They don't realize that they are missing some of the best porn being produced today...and some of the most popular. The internet scenes are seen by millions. And the girls in them have huge fan bases that totally eclipse DVD stuff (though that is changing as more and more DVD's feature the girls from the net for that very reason)

It kinda reminds me of the being in a magazine illusion in girls' heads. Seems like a lot of porn girls all have this fantasy notion that if they get on the cover of an adult men's mag that they are THEN big stars. I try to tell them that yeah...25 years ago that might have been true. But today more people will see them on their website in one day than there would even be issues of that magazine printed for the month.

But yet that perception remains.

Same thing with DVD's. When I put CM on Streamate to do paid camshows...Shawn asked me what DVD's Claudia-Marie has appeared on. I told him the DVD's that she has not only appeared on but was on the cover of including a couple of Naughty America ones a couple of I Digital ones and one that we released with IVD ourselves.

After I showed those to him he was like: Okay cool! Now we can put her in the "pornstar" section! lol

And that was after he had already asked me to have her come on board to Streamate BECAUSE of her popularity.

So that perception that being on DVD somehow makes it more "legit" definitely still hovers over the whole business, even though the DVD brick and mortar business is pretty much dead while the internet exposure is getting bigger and bigger.

That's my boy.

Well there's a ground for this illusion - being a cover girl of the mag gives you about one month worth of attention span, which is a great deal of "branding", so to say.

While on the web user attention span is close to zero. 99,9999% of surfers forget about the girl the next SECOND after they clicked the other video. Yes a girl can get one million views to her video in one day on the web, but so do other millions of the web girls, and it means nothing in terms of branding/recognition.

there was like 40 now its like 10

I'm not so sure about that.

Yeah, if you take a sorta generic looking pretty girl and do one scene with her on a website...she'll be forgotten before you even stop looking at her. lol

But girls who have developed fan bases on the internet are HUGE.

I can only go by what I see with my own two eyes. And everywhere we have been, from New York City to Atlanta to Los Angeles to Las Vegas...I can guarantee you that I could walk in to most any place in public (shopping mall, restaurant, etc.) with Claudia-Marie and whoever is on the latest cover of a porn mag...and people will recognize and know Claudia-Marie and unless the cover girl is Pam Anderson or some other legit celeb, they will just be seen as some really pretty girl.

how you know

Those who developed - yes. But internet lacks the tools of branding/promotion like the cover page of the mag was in it's hay day, which was almost free, required almost no work and was HUGE.

Cover pages back in the day provided huge exposure to just a random girl who maybe sucked the right dick but hardly more than that - and this exposure usually went viral, she got people talking about her, comments in the news and other magazines etc etc.

What internet has to offer that is similar to this kind of exposure from just one photo session? I just do not see it. Real hardworking girls who have the right promoters who will also work their asses out to get girl's name out there, they can get huge. But mag's cover page was the opportunity for about ANY good looking girl, no matter how lazy.

Watch out for www.thepornbay.org

I agree 100%. Back in the day the magazine cover was the bomb. Or even just a spot in the magazine was money. One of my ex-wives was in Hustler back in 1998 and it was a big boost for us economically.

But in 2009 that is no longer the case. Magazines just don't sell anymore.

Wow, the site is about to break 1k on alexa.

if i buy some trafficjunky ads...will you stop..please!!!
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...44fa205498c6a3

god damn you guys are assholes - http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...key=1656987760 - we just released this site yesterday...i hope you all die

stickyfingerz will save your sites, xxxjay.

Jays stuff can't be protected. It's an agreement they have with a DVD company for exclusive web rights. That means that anybody can just buy the dvds and rip them. :(
For that business model, OC Cash's fate is in the hands of whether or not new laws come into play to put an end to this crap.

But thanks for your positive outlook Brujah. I now know how to weigh your opinions when I see your posts. :)

I didn't realize that. That's too bad.

You're welcome. :thumbsup

i will say this gain for the 1000000000000 time....

the only way to stop this shit is massive litigation..

hit somebody with enough lawsuits and eventually the cost of defending litigation outweighs the profit..

the reason why these tube sites have no fear is that they think they can operate without consequence...

What litigation would you suggest? Every law is on their side. And who here has the deep pockets that they have?

While the entire industry was spending the last year and a half on a x-sell witch hunt...They took the opportunity to quietly build a monster using other people's work. Classic case of misdirection and the clowns of GFY fell for it hook, line, and sinker with Dirty Franck leading the way down the path to hell.

i can sue you for looking at me funny....

the point is that if you start to build up a record of litigation for a certain thing like piracy, sooner or later the courts start to say this just isnt coincidence yet..

add on the fact of how easy it is for minors to access hardcore porn via tubes and you have the making for a political statement..

we all know that the justice system is not blind..

where there is a will, there is a way... :2 cents:

btw, how do you think a tube site would handle 100 lawsuits in 100 different cities..

only 2 choices... defend or subject to a default judgement...

win a default judgement and go after their registrar, their host, their advertisers and sue them too..

at a certain point even if the tube owners are willing to litigate, the other parties mentioned wont be..

I've also been told by attorneys that if you bring up a case against a tube site and you did NOT DMCA them and have it taken down legally...then you end up the one who is the criminal.

It's not cut and dried like you think. Nobody here can sue Brazzers for looking at them funny or stealing their content.

First thing that me and everyone else did a couple of years back when this started to really grow was to check with attorneys about legal avenues.

But thanks to the DMCA laws...we can't do shit. Copyright issues don't apply

what did the riaa do?

they went after the sharers...

now another point is this...

like i stated before, try to upload a watermarked clip that you have the right to or own..

guess what.. it wont get posted..

so, although i am not an attorney nor do i play one on tv, if the tubes are looking at videos for watermarks then i think you ca deduce that they can look for stolen content..

i think that there is a valid argument that the tubes, by not allowing non advertisers to upload legal content are facilitating illegal content...

my argument would be that any legal owner of content would not allow their content to be displayed without proper credit would therefore imply that any non credited content was in fact stolen or used without the permission of the copyright holder..

in my mind its just like when you pierce the corporate veil..

just because you have a registered corporation doesnt necessarily mean that you are protected if you dont follow the laws to a t... :2 cents:

You know who has the best job security on the planet? A Brazzers employee. After all, how could a Brazzers employee get fired when they know all the company dirt, like the fact that it really is the employees uploading the videos to pornhub, nullifying the DMCA protection. Hell, an enterprising Brazzers employee could gather all types of information that several affiliate programs on here would pay top dollar for. Yup, it certainly is a good time to be a Brazzers employee. Just saying...

Thats just sad. I bet someone from Brazzers reading this right now with huge smile on his face. I cant believe people havent send some Hells Angels out to their office.

I think that too. And I've said it and so have other armchair lawyers. But we never see the real attorneys on here go along with that. And since this kind of thing has ass-raped companies that USED to have some pretty deep pockets....I'm guessing that their attorneys didn't think that was viable either and could result in a "legal backfire"

I don't know man. When I first started seeing my shit stolen in late 2007 I went ballistic. I went out and retained a law firm and told them what I wanted to do about it. I wanted to sue the people stealing my shit right down to the ground.

After I blew all the retainer money I had paid the attorneys, I realized that the law was never gonna help me in time. So that's why I took matters into my own hands by protecting my content.

Just say that theoretically most paysites had done what I did.

That would mean that the only porn on pornhub would be ripped DVD's and 2 year old content.

All the newest porn scenes from the hottest paysites would still have to be seen by obtaining a membership.

Well, that dream can still become true.

IF the majority did it right now...within a year, pornhub would be nothing but DVD rips and year old content. If there is one thing for sure on the internet....content that is a year old is like 100 years old in doggy years.

If you noticed in the gideongallery debates. the ONE thing he feared was us protecting our content. He knew that the law was never going to side with pornographers. But he also knew what would happen if we shut off the supply.

Pornhub didn't become huge because the guys at Brazzers are geniuses in traffic. It became huge by having full scenes and sometimes full members areas instantly streaming for everybody for free. And they have the NEWEST scenes as xxxjay is pointing out.

Take away the content? Pornhub drops off the map.

well, maybe thats the answer... i guess time will tell....

one of the comments jay made about the tubes offering to either play ball or they would just steal content is something that i have actually heard quite a few times..

i still think there are other options but like you said its not cheap...

I'm just gonna go ahead and give ya some thumbs up here...
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An admission of guilt printed right on the front page. lol :upsidedow

I've removed over 125,000 files from various tube, torrent and rapidshare sites in just under 6 months. Sadly this is a drop of water in the ocean compared to what's all out there. But yes, Robbie is right and it's something I've been saying for the last year...PROTECT YOUR FUCKING CONTENT.

Too many studios are lazy as fuck and sit around bitching about the problem, waiting for someone to come along and save them while they are having stupid ass "porn star parties" where they drop 20k to get a bunch of fleabag whores drunk.

Protect your content, get off yer ass, send a DMCA or ten every fucking day or as my man Dalton sez in Roadhouse...

"there's always barber college"