[02:10] Franck: i wish someone would shit in your face and bang the cards of all your family members to hell...

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Like everything with these guys, I'm sure it was bait and switch. I truthfully didn't know till Dan pointed it out. Good for the girls of www.ocmodeling.com for staying professional even when confronted with a sketchy scene.

:2 cents::thumbsup

Looking nice

True, as a free porn consumer I have a choice. If the tubes don't do it w/millions of streaming videos in every niche imaginable from every studio known to man, covering every decade since the creation of porn, I can always go to the forums where I have a huge selection of content to download from thousands of entire members areas.

LOL live as a surfer is gooooood :thumbsup

if only those studios would get off their ass and send a fucking DMCA every now and then...

Tubes HOST content.
Sites like Rapishare HOST content.

Both of which take down content within hours of receiving a DMCA.

Studios are just lazy because sending a DMCA isn't nearly as exciting as hanging out with methed out pornstars and thinking you're a big ol' pimp daddy.

A fuckin' monkey could be trained to send DMCAs yet these 'millionaires' can't be bothered.

No wonder we're in this situation.

Clean your content off the tubes, forums, torrent sites, etc...then make these tube owners come to you for sponsored clips.

That doesn't really represent the problem in its entirety. In theory, it'd be wonderful if your solution worked, but in reality it's only partly true.

Are there lazy studio owners who can't be bothered to police their content? Yes, but even if many of them took the time to mess w/DMCA requests it's still a losing battle.

You argument assumes every tube/torrent/forum honors or complies with a DMCA request. Many do not, and it only takes 1 that doesn't to ruin things. Say I run the one tube that doesn't care. You can notice me all day long, which costs you money and me nothing, and I laugh at you and your silly American DMCA. I also don't have the operating expense the other tubes do because I don't have to monitor and remove material, so I'm therefore likely going to be the biggest tube eventually, with more illegal content than anyone else.

Even if we play out your argument, let's assume you're right. One day miraculously every single studio that has ever made an adult video begins to DMCA the tubes... so it's just a few weeks before they'll all be gone right? The big bad tubes will simply close up shop and quit because... they've been DMCA'd to death??

Again, I agree with your point on the surface, that more involvement from the studios/producers in diligent content "policing" would help the problem. It's just that at this stage in the game, the cancer has spread so far and so deep, treatment is not likely going to help and sadly...there is no cure.

We use content removal services and police our own content, but instead of spending my time and money on running down 1000's DMCA's -- why don't these fuckers stop posting content THEY KNOW IS NOT THEIRS?

That'll never happen Jay because they don't care that they don't own it. You're expecting ethics from thieves.

As far as Gunner:
Name me a tube site that doesn't respond to DMCAs. So far every tube I've ever sent a DMCA to has responded and taken action.

Name me a file hosting site (Rapidshare-esque) that doesn't respond to DMCAs. They all do. They want that Safe Harbor protection.

So what does that leave? Torrent sites. So far I've only found a handful that don't respond (Pirate Bay being the biggest). Perhaps you haven't been watching the news recently but Pirate Bay has some bigger problems on their hands than my DMCAs, they're facing a year in jail and a 3 million dollar fine, not to mention selling the site. So let Hollywood go after the ones that don't respond to DMCAs. The harder thieves resist, the harder the rule of law will crack down on them.

Here's the other problem with your thinking. You're also assuming that the average internet user will embrace torrent as the predominant way to to get porn (since tubes and forums do respond to DMCA). It's not AS easy as clicking PLAY on a tube site, and there is no financial incentive like there is with rapidshare. Your average internet user knows how to click PLAY, but there is no instant gratification with torrent sites. People have been able to get free porn from usenet for seemingly ever, but it never caught on with the masses, nothing did until the tubes came along.

because if they did that and only used content they produced or bought. it would be alot less profitable.

The problem is lets say you get your content taken off the Tube site, but there are 95% others who does not even try so Tubes are still going to be in biz.

DMCA let people off the hook very easy...you send a note, they take it out and that's it, but no one seem to pay for the actual copyright infringement which carries large financial panalities and jail time.

nothing like busting yourself out.

<a href="http://www.pornhub.com" class="hard_links" title="XxX">XxX</a>

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So true.

That's exactly the problem. Now what if you flipped the numbers...what if 95% of studios actually policed their content and 5% didn't. Would we be having this conversation?

Are there any bills and whatnot coming through the US judicial system that may deal with any of these issues? I find it hard to believe that the country who profits the most off of creative media has absolutely nothing to say about all this rampant stealing and lost revenue.

We are internet people, so (most of us) know what the DMCA is. However, if you are some DVD guy who went out of business 2 years ago, you are just wondering why your movies are there and how the fuck they got there.

A poorly written DMCA is no excuse for theft.

:2 cents:

So it's simple. If everyone would police their content and all the tubes, as you say, honor 100% of the remove requests... problem solved. Yet, at what point doesn't it just become a vicious circle?

Every program increases their staff with a full-time DMCA guy who has the daunting task of locating all of that program's pirated content and sending DMCA notices to the hundreds of illegal tubes. Then the tubes just sit around all day waiting constantly uploading new material, waiting to be DMCAd and take it down, just to have a different tube uploading more stuff tomorrow. That process repeats over and over and....

Would what you're suggesting help? Yes, to some degree it would and I support what you're saying wholeheartedly. Studios should be doing more. That said, suggesting producer negligence or their lack of diligence in content theft monitoring and sending DMCA notices would somehow alleviate the entire situation, really underestimates the magnitude of it all. DMCA does help to a very small degree, but it is not the answer and it will not solve the problem alone.

Kind of like bailing water out of a leaky boat.... a verrrry leaky boat :(

Agreed Gunner, it's not a complete solution. It's going to take something legislative (and not just in the US). Wonder how many studios would like a do-over on the "Secondary Producer" exemption on 2257? That exemption made it where retail stores wouldn't have to keep proof-of-age records, and neither do tubes.

If the legislature won't help us, then we gotta make the tube sites play ball. Until any of them actually pick up a camera and shoot their own content, they are dependent upon us for content. Right now we're giving it to them for free and it's an unlimited license. Change that and make them need to cooperate with us.

And someone should let Tony Perkins and the Family Research Council know that little Johnny can type in a tube site address and be watching german scat or Traci Lords porn within a few seconds...let's use the Christian Right to our advantage.

there are plenty Mutt. It's all about timing, however.
Duke

Is this thread going to 10000 views?

Eventually someone is going to have to find a disgruntled employee of one of these tube sites that can provide proof that the uploads are not user submitted, but are actually done by the staff. If you can get that then you can go after the tube site because they will no longer have safe harbor. I truly believe it's just a matter of time. If the fucking mafia is willing to turn on each other eventually a "rogue" tube site employee is going to get pissed because he's only making minimum wage to upload videos all day, and decide to start collecting incriminating evidence against the company he is working for.

Maybe you should ask yourself who you know that works for one of these companies, and how can you reach out to them. Or maybe a put up a page that offers some type of cash reward for incriminating evidence. Just throw the line out there and eventually someone will bite...

Looks like it sir

I think it would help more then you think. You know who the big tubes are. And like most things it is the 80-20 rule so 20% of the tubes have 80% of the traffic. I bet a lit of 50 sites covers it.

Lots of solo girl sites are very effective at keeping their stuff off tubes.

I'm leaving this thread open and going to read it in the morning. Looks very interesting and that pornnewz article is great.

I just cant wait till these guys get brought to their knees. Not only are they ruining other sites, they're killing their own while they're at it.

Looks like Brazzers knows about this thread:
http://www.extremetube.com/video/fucking-like-bunnies- (36 minute occash video with no watermark or link uploaded today)

http://www.extremetube.com/video/how-fat-can-you-be- (first video on page when i looked...occash)

I guess that is the name of the game now, everyone steal from one another to create a giant theft circle jerk?

I best get started.

More of our content...
http://www.extremetube.com/video/let...at-booty-babe-
http://www.extremetube.com/video/massive-tna

Brazzers = Fail:

http://lh5.ggpht.com/SergioAlex76/SO...bra%5B2%5D.jpg

ADG

Man this really sucks... :(

this industry can be a real pain in the ass sometimes.

Yep, I was just saying that.

Is this what this industry has become? Is that is all it's about now? Stealing from once another for a business model?

Fucking retarded.

:mad:

That pretty much sums you up...

And on the other hand, what was the reason you banned the guy? Cause he didnt agree with you on something? Cause he aint a cocksucker and doesnt care about his postcount being lost? Way teh feking go.... :2 cents:

So fucking typical, you whine about your content being stolen and tubes ruining the industry, but you agree 100% with stealing from your customer and eventually drive more idiots to tube sites cause EVERY idiot is ripping off his own customers.

Time to eat your own shit.

:thumbsup

Frank's new fake nic. See above. LOL

How much is Brazzers paying you?

http://www.extremetube.com/video/how-fat-can-you-be-
http://www.extremetube.com/video/fucking-like-bunnies-
http://www.extremetube.com/video/let...at-booty-babe-
http://www.extremetube.com/video/massive-tna
http://www.extremetube.com/video/cum...hubby-is-away-
http://www.extremetube.com/video/it-...gle-down-there

I just sent the DMCA, let's see how long it takes or if it happens.

i just mail cheeks / bastone now honestly - they will take things down at the site itself, and let's them know that you know what the score is.

their staff would do it, but its just rediculous. i emailed, they took down and didn't bother to reply, works for me.

So it's the staff who put it up AND takes it down?

LOL

i have no proof as to who puts it up ... obviously I have my ideas, but I know who will make sure to take them down.

they can play ignorant to how they get up there, but they can't ignore the programs that have or may do biz with them, so I know how to take them down. now I'm thinking I should use all the floating IWeb staff to do my own RYC on Roids to help Eric and myself out :)

Back to the top for the quest to 10,000

I am still shocked by the content on that site, and I produce gang bangs and cum snorting videos.

Simulated rape videos, even thought obviously staged to someone who is in the adult industry, are one more reason I am really for a US Government review board that works in conjunction with the billing companies.

If we had a review board we would know exactly what we could or could not produce.

It would legitimize or industry as we would not have to worry about prosecution from the US Government.

Canada (where Brazzers head honchos are) has a review board, and as far as I can tell the Canadian obscenity code is tougher than the US one as it's a lot more clearer. No Miller test, no first amendment battles. Their obscenity code states that violence coupled with the exploitation of sex is obscene.

Wisely Brazzers is trying to disguise shameonher as not theirs and using overseas processing, but I can't imagine that's going to work, and creating a labyrinth of shell companies only seems to give FBI guys a hardon for unraveling it all.

Boocoo bucks, shell companies, rape videos....Eric Holder are you listening?

That's pretty juicy.

i've posted and told this to people who have a hardon for Brazzers - Canada's criminal code when it comes to obscenity is much more defined than American obscenity law. That content is criminal in Canada. You wanna cause trouble for them get the RCMP on their asses. You just can't couple sex with any type of brutality towards women.

Canadian law provides that "any publication a dominant characteristic of which is the undue exploitation of sex, or of sex and one or more of the following subjects, namely crime, horror, cruelty and violence, shall be deemed to be obscene" (Section 163 of the Criminal Code). The test for obscenity applied by the courts is guided by the application of a community standard of tolerance test, "concerned not with what Canadians would not tolerate being exposed to themselves, but what they would not tolerate other Canadians being exposed to" (Supreme Court decision in R. v. Butler, February 1992). Generally, any material will be considered obscene, and therefore illegal, if it contains: sex coupled with violence; exploitive sex that degrades or dehumanizes any person, female or male; or explicitly sexual material that employs children in its production.

That's some interesting stuff there Mutt. But I've been promoting Sweet Money for three times as long as Brazzers has even existed. They have plenty of stuff that runs all over the law that you posted.
Isn't Sweet Entertainment based in Canada? If so, I'm not too sure that law is really enforced. At least I think Sweet is in Canada, it's possible that my mind is fuzzy in my old age.

SweetMoney did get busted a few years ago for the PeePee sites.

It was around 2000 or 2001...I'll try to find a link to it.

I remember all that.

I know that I still promote those pissing sites as well as their fisting sites, BDSM sites, and the grandaddy of "abuse" sites Sweet Auditions. They send out affiliate emails with galleries like clockwork. I would think that any one of those sites would get them in "trouble" Not to mention this one: http://maxhardcoreporn.net/front.php

I think Max has become the poster boy for the silly that can happen to you if your content gets looked at too hard by a bunch of religious fucks in the deep South.

I'd like to just slap the shit out of all those fucks who are all "holy" and try to force the rest of us to live like they do with their fucking religious fantasy world of superstition.

That is the strange thing about internet porn, you do business on giant global scale, but a couple of hicks can fuck you whole world up.

It happens every time.

I'm just trying to milk this thing to 10000 views now.

cool site.......