This is something that isn't discussed much as one of the reasons surfers turn to tubes.

what matters the most in this is, how many guys from gfy jerked off to a vid on there today? lol :1orglaugh

Guilty as charged.

spanked, but I didn't nut... does that make it ok

Damn!

I thought this thread was going to be about Juggcash and their new HD tools with white label HD channels.

what is your unique to sale ratio with them?

I am shocked that they filmed that out here in LA, in fact I saw one of the models you represent Dee Roze on the site.

Maybe they think because they are in Canada they can't be prosecuted, but the guys who they paid to shoot it for them sure as hell can.

LOL. I remember one of our agents said, "She looks like she is being raped during that scene." I thought it was because she wasn't a good performer, but winds up she was playing her part perfectly.

Score 1 for www.ocmodeling.com

:thumbsup

I am shocked that OC modeling provides them with models when I read this thread :2 cents:

It might mean that you need members area quality content rather than low resolution dvd quality found on tubes. Try Pornbb. http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/pornbb.org

[02:10] Franck: i wish someone would shit in your face and bang the cards of all your family members to hell...

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Like everything with these guys, I'm sure it was bait and switch. I truthfully didn't know till Dan pointed it out. Good for the girls of www.ocmodeling.com for staying professional even when confronted with a sketchy scene.

:2 cents::thumbsup

Looking nice

True, as a free porn consumer I have a choice. If the tubes don't do it w/millions of streaming videos in every niche imaginable from every studio known to man, covering every decade since the creation of porn, I can always go to the forums where I have a huge selection of content to download from thousands of entire members areas.

LOL live as a surfer is gooooood :thumbsup

if only those studios would get off their ass and send a fucking DMCA every now and then...

Tubes HOST content.
Sites like Rapishare HOST content.

Both of which take down content within hours of receiving a DMCA.

Studios are just lazy because sending a DMCA isn't nearly as exciting as hanging out with methed out pornstars and thinking you're a big ol' pimp daddy.

A fuckin' monkey could be trained to send DMCAs yet these 'millionaires' can't be bothered.

No wonder we're in this situation.

Clean your content off the tubes, forums, torrent sites, etc...then make these tube owners come to you for sponsored clips.

That doesn't really represent the problem in its entirety. In theory, it'd be wonderful if your solution worked, but in reality it's only partly true.

Are there lazy studio owners who can't be bothered to police their content? Yes, but even if many of them took the time to mess w/DMCA requests it's still a losing battle.

You argument assumes every tube/torrent/forum honors or complies with a DMCA request. Many do not, and it only takes 1 that doesn't to ruin things. Say I run the one tube that doesn't care. You can notice me all day long, which costs you money and me nothing, and I laugh at you and your silly American DMCA. I also don't have the operating expense the other tubes do because I don't have to monitor and remove material, so I'm therefore likely going to be the biggest tube eventually, with more illegal content than anyone else.

Even if we play out your argument, let's assume you're right. One day miraculously every single studio that has ever made an adult video begins to DMCA the tubes... so it's just a few weeks before they'll all be gone right? The big bad tubes will simply close up shop and quit because... they've been DMCA'd to death??

Again, I agree with your point on the surface, that more involvement from the studios/producers in diligent content "policing" would help the problem. It's just that at this stage in the game, the cancer has spread so far and so deep, treatment is not likely going to help and sadly...there is no cure.

We use content removal services and police our own content, but instead of spending my time and money on running down 1000's DMCA's -- why don't these fuckers stop posting content THEY KNOW IS NOT THEIRS?

That'll never happen Jay because they don't care that they don't own it. You're expecting ethics from thieves.

As far as Gunner:
Name me a tube site that doesn't respond to DMCAs. So far every tube I've ever sent a DMCA to has responded and taken action.

Name me a file hosting site (Rapidshare-esque) that doesn't respond to DMCAs. They all do. They want that Safe Harbor protection.

So what does that leave? Torrent sites. So far I've only found a handful that don't respond (Pirate Bay being the biggest). Perhaps you haven't been watching the news recently but Pirate Bay has some bigger problems on their hands than my DMCAs, they're facing a year in jail and a 3 million dollar fine, not to mention selling the site. So let Hollywood go after the ones that don't respond to DMCAs. The harder thieves resist, the harder the rule of law will crack down on them.

Here's the other problem with your thinking. You're also assuming that the average internet user will embrace torrent as the predominant way to to get porn (since tubes and forums do respond to DMCA). It's not AS easy as clicking PLAY on a tube site, and there is no financial incentive like there is with rapidshare. Your average internet user knows how to click PLAY, but there is no instant gratification with torrent sites. People have been able to get free porn from usenet for seemingly ever, but it never caught on with the masses, nothing did until the tubes came along.

because if they did that and only used content they produced or bought. it would be alot less profitable.

The problem is lets say you get your content taken off the Tube site, but there are 95% others who does not even try so Tubes are still going to be in biz.

DMCA let people off the hook very easy...you send a note, they take it out and that's it, but no one seem to pay for the actual copyright infringement which carries large financial panalities and jail time.

nothing like busting yourself out.

<a href="http://www.pornhub.com" class="hard_links" title="XxX">XxX</a>

:1orglaugh

So true.

That's exactly the problem. Now what if you flipped the numbers...what if 95% of studios actually policed their content and 5% didn't. Would we be having this conversation?

Are there any bills and whatnot coming through the US judicial system that may deal with any of these issues? I find it hard to believe that the country who profits the most off of creative media has absolutely nothing to say about all this rampant stealing and lost revenue.

We are internet people, so (most of us) know what the DMCA is. However, if you are some DVD guy who went out of business 2 years ago, you are just wondering why your movies are there and how the fuck they got there.

A poorly written DMCA is no excuse for theft.

:2 cents:

So it's simple. If everyone would police their content and all the tubes, as you say, honor 100% of the remove requests... problem solved. Yet, at what point doesn't it just become a vicious circle?

Every program increases their staff with a full-time DMCA guy who has the daunting task of locating all of that program's pirated content and sending DMCA notices to the hundreds of illegal tubes. Then the tubes just sit around all day waiting constantly uploading new material, waiting to be DMCAd and take it down, just to have a different tube uploading more stuff tomorrow. That process repeats over and over and....

Would what you're suggesting help? Yes, to some degree it would and I support what you're saying wholeheartedly. Studios should be doing more. That said, suggesting producer negligence or their lack of diligence in content theft monitoring and sending DMCA notices would somehow alleviate the entire situation, really underestimates the magnitude of it all. DMCA does help to a very small degree, but it is not the answer and it will not solve the problem alone.

Kind of like bailing water out of a leaky boat.... a verrrry leaky boat :(

Agreed Gunner, it's not a complete solution. It's going to take something legislative (and not just in the US). Wonder how many studios would like a do-over on the "Secondary Producer" exemption on 2257? That exemption made it where retail stores wouldn't have to keep proof-of-age records, and neither do tubes.

If the legislature won't help us, then we gotta make the tube sites play ball. Until any of them actually pick up a camera and shoot their own content, they are dependent upon us for content. Right now we're giving it to them for free and it's an unlimited license. Change that and make them need to cooperate with us.

And someone should let Tony Perkins and the Family Research Council know that little Johnny can type in a tube site address and be watching german scat or Traci Lords porn within a few seconds...let's use the Christian Right to our advantage.

there are plenty Mutt. It's all about timing, however.
Duke

Is this thread going to 10000 views?

Eventually someone is going to have to find a disgruntled employee of one of these tube sites that can provide proof that the uploads are not user submitted, but are actually done by the staff. If you can get that then you can go after the tube site because they will no longer have safe harbor. I truly believe it's just a matter of time. If the fucking mafia is willing to turn on each other eventually a "rogue" tube site employee is going to get pissed because he's only making minimum wage to upload videos all day, and decide to start collecting incriminating evidence against the company he is working for.

Maybe you should ask yourself who you know that works for one of these companies, and how can you reach out to them. Or maybe a put up a page that offers some type of cash reward for incriminating evidence. Just throw the line out there and eventually someone will bite...

Looks like it sir

I think it would help more then you think. You know who the big tubes are. And like most things it is the 80-20 rule so 20% of the tubes have 80% of the traffic. I bet a lit of 50 sites covers it.

Lots of solo girl sites are very effective at keeping their stuff off tubes.

I'm leaving this thread open and going to read it in the morning. Looks very interesting and that pornnewz article is great.

I just cant wait till these guys get brought to their knees. Not only are they ruining other sites, they're killing their own while they're at it.

Looks like Brazzers knows about this thread:
http://www.extremetube.com/video/fucking-like-bunnies- (36 minute occash video with no watermark or link uploaded today)

http://www.extremetube.com/video/how-fat-can-you-be- (first video on page when i looked...occash)

I guess that is the name of the game now, everyone steal from one another to create a giant theft circle jerk?

I best get started.

More of our content...
http://www.extremetube.com/video/let...at-booty-babe-
http://www.extremetube.com/video/massive-tna

Brazzers = Fail:

http://lh5.ggpht.com/SergioAlex76/SO...bra%5B2%5D.jpg

ADG

Man this really sucks... :(

this industry can be a real pain in the ass sometimes.