Wow

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Jay's right on this point :2 cents:

So send a dmca complaint...

White.Cock.Black.Teen.XviD-NYMPHO [55F/712MB] / 2007/02/15

Does this surprise you too??

Lame. Just because "It's a dog-eat-dog world, and only the strongest will survive." it doesn't mean they should be taking illegal action.

i like old school porn dudes.

sucks that most pornographers now are nerds or accountants.

so many programs sellin them guys their x - sells
luk at the sites you promotin and see if they have their x - sell then boycott
you be surprised
and list em here that be fun

i start wit hustller

I'd leave the kids and neighbors out of it, but other than that... :thumbsup

This thread needs some more drama, I'm in.

http://www.ccmostwanted.com/report/report2.htm

http://www.mastercard.com/us/persona...iolations.html

http://www.corporate.visa.com

All I know is that I am now actively transitioning from mainstream and even fetish porn to a more profitable sector within the industry...... good luck 2yall!

I know.. dumb webmasters on GFY promote them?

http://images.paraorkut.com/img/funn...sing-12503.jpg

Joe, your content, which you have licensed and resold to other webmasters (including myself), is all over practically every large tube site:

KeezMovies (purportedly owned by, or in cahoots with Brazzers) - Added 7 months ago (37,000+ views - Miko Sinz in your bedroom sucking your dick):

http://www.keezmovies.com/432331

Pornhub - Page 1 under "Asian" (supposedly also owned by Brazzers):

http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...9231b10c726488

Uploaded 1 Year Ago (480,000+ views)

Tube8 - Uploaded 7 months ago (336,000+ views):

http://www.tube8.com/asian/leandra-lee/80796/

RedTube - Over 1.7 million views:

http://www.redtube.com/20407


Sure wish you would do something about this (unless you condone it), since it is devaluing the thousands of dollars worth of content which I licensed from you.

It only took a few minutes for me to find these videos which have been online 6+ months and have been cumulatively viewed by millions for free.

I find it hard to believe that you are unaware...

I sure hope you are trying to contact someone from KeezMovies to remove your content, instead of selling/licensing them your content (since you already made back your investment on that product), because you know they will repost it to surfers for free (in hopes of upsells to the advertisers/affiliate links on their site), while they ruin the value of your content for the people like myself whom licensed your content as bonus content for their Members area.

So which is it?

ADG

This is true. However, what most people fail to realize is that this is a precedent set in Viacom vs. Google and just because Google can get away with using DMCA to shield itself against punitive damages does not necessarily mean that some fucktard running a porn tube can get away with it also. Somebody just needs to step up to the fucking plate.

In addition, the judge in Viacom vs. Google did not take statutory damages off the table, that has yet to be determined. No precedent has been set, which means that program owners could still sue for statutory damages. The only reason this shit is still legal is because no one is fighting to make it illegal. Yes, what they are doing is perfectly legal at the moment, but let's call a fucking spade a spade. What they are doing is exploiting a legal loophole to rob this industry blind so they can line their pockets.

Content flatlines in value as soon as you sell it non-exclusively. Sure you might get 10k in one day, but after that you ability to make money from that content again is almost nil.

More producers need to get that through their heads. Not that the tubes sites are paying for the videos they post anyways.

This is an old argument. The bottom line is DMCA laws need to change to make site owners responsible for the stolen content on their site, no matter what, whether a user uploaded it or not. I doubt that will happen though. So although "illegal tubes" are unethical, they still have the law on their side and that's all they need to stay in business.

better question than "why hasn't anyone gone after them in court?"...

This is the 2nd or third time some suggested severe bodily harm. The best thing is, nobody has gotten mad about it.

Brazzers is getting about as much love as Bernie Madoff over here.

You know if you really wanted to fuck these guys you could also send reports to google about all of the paid links they are buying. You can track them easily:

http://www.google.com/search?q=link%...ient=firefox-a

You can report links by being logged in to google:
www.google.com/webmasters/

:1orglaugh

tube sites steal our traffic/money!!!!!!!!

By the way, I'm pretty sure all it would take is a court order to find out without a doubt who is behind all of those sites. That's not that difficult to get....

Hey Jay, good to see you back in action... :thumbsup

I understand that the value of content goes down once it is labeled as "non-exclusive", however, the practice until recently has been that the content was licensed for use in Members areas, with only a certain limited amount of content being authorized for traffic generating purposes (15-20 pix or 1-2 minutes of video).

A person/company that made their money back several times from the content off their own DVDs/sites, and then resells/licenses their content to other webmasters (for limited, paid member only use), should not then bargain basement their content to the rip-off tube/torrents sites, which in effect helps to legitimize their otherwise illegal operations, as well as devalues their content to other people whom only purchased the content since they understood that there was a level playing field, and the bulk of the content could only be displayed in designated Members areas.

If a 3rd party content producer thinks that they can sell content to pirate tube and torrents sites, and thus undermining the deals that they previously did with legit webmasters, and expect the status quo to prevail, then they are in for a rude awakening.

If they think there is any future in that business model, since legit purchasers of 3rd party content will quit buying from them, and once one of the pirates posts it on their site, all of the other would-be pirate clients will simply leech off of the original pirate site.

Yet another adult business model doomed to failure... :2 cents:

ADG

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I was there to take pics of the seminars - roundtables, but did not actually sit down and listen to what was said, it was in russian. I rarely sit down and listen to any conference, mainly because its the same old, same old, rehashed 10 ways from centre:winkwink:

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Exactly why most shooters don't get aroused/erections when shooting - they are too busy focusing on the work... :thumbsup

Now, if you get aroused during post-production, then you know that you have gold!!! :pimp

Actually, if you are experienced, you generally know it is good when you are shooting it, but you are too preoccupied to acknowledge it, in order to ensure that you have the technical aspects straight as well....

ADG

The DMCA already does that. Issue a complaint to the isp (usually the owner of the ip block), if the content is still online after several days, follow-up with the isp. If it remains online for more than a couple of weeks, contact your lawyer, and have them file suit against the ISP. However, if the user follows a counter-dmca notice, then they need to provide their address & contact information. At that point, the isp is declared irresponsible for the accessibility of the content, and you follow suit against the owner of the site. If the ISP doesn't get back to you after a couple of weeks, you have a case against the isp.

Remember, porn & mp3s aren't the only thing that the DMCA protects. If some dickhead felt like copy and pasting every word & page from a book onto a thread in this forum, that'd be a dmca violation too.

Doesn't stop there. Did you know that the people who operate the Eiffel tower hold a copyright that prohibits even amateur photographers from publishing photos taken of the eiffel tower at night while it's lights are on? Go read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eiffel_...pyright_claims

Those people could legally DMCA anyone in the united states for publishing a photo they took themselves.

Sweet! I just saw my first animal porn and cum swapping... never really cared to buy that shit but here they have it for free!

This is not good at all :(

Sad to see this kind of shit...

Speaking as someone who had a rape kink between the ages of 17 and 20, The chances that the video is depicting a legitimate rape is nearly impossible. Additionally, 5/6 of the girls I've dated during the past 2 years have all told me about their rape fantasies, and I role played that fantasy with 4 of them. Really, it's not a big deal. It's extremely common.

And the whole "visa and mastercard wouldn't be happy about this" statement is stupid too. Do you think visa and mastercard would be happy about their cards being used to buy a subscription to a site with a video showing 5 guys draining their load in the ass of a 19 year old thai girl who then pushes the combined load into a martini glass that the camera man pours into her mouth as she chokes herself? As long as the porn is legal, and they don't give a shit.

I've bought lube & sounds to shove down my urethra using my visa card. Nobody's called me to tell me they're revoking my membership yet.

But then the same could be done about your own link trading. Unless you use nofollow which you obviously dont you are also breaking the guidelines, like everybody else on this forum. Reporting that shit to google is pathetic, its not only brazzers buying the links who could be damaged but regular webmasters selling them you are trying to fuck up...

back with a bang! thanks for the scoop jay.

Hot website!

as the tube business model seem to work,
why doesnt anyone:
1. get a tube script
2. signup for brazzers paysites
3. download their updates every day and put it on your own tube

now, keep it only brazzers content to make it really sting.

its a shame im not allowed in canada. i'd gladly go up there and sort things out.

Well their content is on rapidshare already one way or another.

Sweet, you just saved me $28!

It doesn't seem like it would make financial sense to cater to your desires...It's not like you built a site around that content...It's just fluff material, which gets old as all content does...Why would he go through the hassle and expense of getting them to remove content that he already sold when instead, he can just recycle his old content and just sell it to them?

So he's going to abandon that whole business model because you think that your fluff bonus material is being devalued?.....If he does, he's a fool......

Fuck it....embed some of those videos off of the tube sites in your members area....

you do realize that viacom hasn't yet gone thru all the evidence yet
they still could prove that youtube employees themselves uploaded the content.

Of course it is possible that the evidence will prove that viacom employees or agents uploaded the content, which under the DMCA would make viacom responsible for 100% of the legal expenses of youtube including any business loses due to the bad publicity.

they are willing to risk a lot of money to try and CHANGE the law.
personally i think it is stupid since it so easy to exploit the traffic source if you know how.

nice, i thought 1:2000+ on bdsm/fetish can't get any worse...

or setup a private tracker and upsell a bunch of dating/live chat sites, ama contract was screwed up enough that he actually licienced that behaviour.