chances are they're shaving because their site sucks. if you have a solid members area paying per sign up can make you more money in the long run.

I would assume the hacking is a felony, too. Get the popcorn ready!

This may be a stupid question, but how do they shave if it goes via a third party biller? Do they route the clicks through dollars4all.com, and sometimes 'forget' (cough) the refid passed to ibill?

i'm sure prosecutors would rather go after the shaving affiliate for the thousands of dollars they've defrauded than go after a guy who got a login and password off of ICQ. :)

then again, thousands of dollars isn't very much money.

From what I've heard, using a third party biller does not necessarily prevent shaving.

With 3rd party billers the code runs through the Processors site, has nothing to do is Dollars4All 'shaving' or not.

How is it done?

good question.

It's very easy to do if the hit doesn't go straight to the 3rd party biller and instead passes through a script somewhere. Why would it be difficult?

Wow, this is amazing...

There are several ways, but you people are confusing third party 'stats' with a third party 'processor' you can process sales anyway you want and then pass on the billing information to your processor of choice.

In this case iBill was billing the credit cards, but the sales and affiliate ceredits were processed in house. This is pretty common, Lightspeed for instance has their own in house affiliate tracking but still process sales through CCBill.

This is not to imply that Lightspeed operates in any way like these scumbags. I think anybody would agree that Lightspeed sets the benchmark for honesty in porn.

I'd like to take this opportunity to annouce my new companies with a new marketing strategy.
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Fucking Funny Lenny.:1orglaugh

it depends on how webmasters send them traffic
there are two ways:
1) send surfers through ibill's cookie placer url
2) send surfers straight to Dollars4All script (in this case)

#2 is almost always true for per signup programs, and in #2 shaving is very possible.

I don't see why people are supprised at all. I mean it's hilarious that they got busted so hardcore, this is worse that how CEN got busted.

Every sponsor who pays $30 or more per signup is shaving you. I doubt this is even an extreme case, someone hack Nasty Dollars' stats system, you'll really be supprised when you see 80% of your sales being shaved.

Get your heads out of your asses and find a good, HONEST recurring program.

holy shit. for some reason, though... this kind of feels/seems like a red herring... dunno why... just something nagging at the back of my mind...

This is awesome. I love it that these dumb fucks got busted .....LMAO......:1orglaugh

pretty funny stuff :thumbsup

nasty dollars is one of my best converting sponsors. damn, if i started my own paysite i'd prolly make a killing if they actually shave that much.

Yes, it's safe to say if you had the content and layouts Nasty Dollars has, and set up your own paysite, you'd be making a killing.

Remember that guy who stole the content from one of thier sites and started processing with ibill? Ask him how well the site really sells. :Graucho

It's possible (and easy) to shave both ways. But talking about it is damn dumb - do you really want your next sponsor to have heard on gfy "Oh ya, you can shave with CCBill/IBill THIS way"

Trust me, it can be done.

Cheers,
Backov

ND has the shave turned up HARD this week. I would love to see someone out them. I am pulling them, its a shame, so good at times.

http://www.fuckjob.com/imagine/pixie/shaving2.jpg http://www.fuckjob.com/imagine/pixie/shaving.jpg



Jak

Either CEN is trying to divert attention away from themselves, or JJMedia wants a new DVD player :Graucho

notice how none of the Big Playas posted their oppinion on this.
they all shave.

Well don't you think it's very unprofessional for them to post here?

BTW dollars4all is NOT a big player 30.000 dollars in a whole year is not much at all...

Andre

Actually, one doesn't follow the other. Let's say that I believe that these companies make a profit from rebills and upsells. OK, that's point one. Now, you say if I believe that I must also believe they don't shave. That is not the next logical step. I don't see any reason why they couldn't turn a profit on their rebills and shave, anyway. Then they just make BIGGER profits and greed is a powerful force.

SpaceAce

Um, I believe that was $30,000 in 4 days. That pay period was the 1 - 7 of this month.

SpaceAce

WOW

Not that i find it surprising, but it's amazing to see someone caught with their pants down like that.
Fuckin thieves! I'd love to see the stats on other sponsors as well.

So which sponsor is gonna be the first to "leak" a login/pass to one of their "real" non-shaving stats?
BEWARE
someone is bound to use that trick for their own profit

Is this the one? http://largenaturals.com/

NO IT was not. Yes the date field is saying that. But the printscreen is made from whole year.

http://www.babiex.com/Dollars4All.htm LOok at the SIGNUP dates if you don't believe me..

see?

Andre

You're right SpaceAce. I tried to make a small point without having to write a paragraph full of disclaimers stating the obvious fact that things aren't ever strictly black and white.

You're right. I'm right. Gray is a wonderful shade.

Jak

I think you got it just about right on. Shit some company posted on here about some new program they had and all the *** BIG GUYS *** said they were going to buy, rent or sign up for this company's program. It had right in it for
** SHAVE ** and the % you could enter. Now of course they fucked up by posting here with that info. And of course after it was public, guess what they said? OH we are taking that out *RAT* now and it will not be sold with this program... Me thinks this is 1000% fucking bull shit. Am thinking about taking all except one (1) sponsor off all my god dam sites...

Those poor bastards who subscribed to the shemale site and have been active for 200 days probably never thought that their names and emails were going to be posted online. Lets see, thomas bontempo (252 days shemale) better pray to God that site doesnt get spidered by Google. I can just see his wife/Mom/boss doing a search on his name and getting that nice bit of info.

you'll see it happen... 2 much money in the porn business. Most likely old John's boys/girls have been checking them out. Anything he can do 2 give porn a worse name, am sure he'll be doing it. And I hope the hell he does it soon. The only thing he won't just take everything they own he'll put'm in Jail and for a long time.

This is VERY VERY correct.

I remember that well, wouldn't it be fun to dig that one up now...

I've heard over the years that $30/signup is about the break even and maybe the sponsor makes a few bucks.

We're not smart enough to shave, pay 60/40 on everything and have some great niche sites that hang on to a hard-earned signup. :)

yes it would.... then later on some dip shit woman webmaster (not that women are dip shits) saw it and said she had signed up... I posted, I had just signed up for her partners program. Told her I wouldn't be promoting her site( went right over her head ).. am not going 2 name names but if you send over 90% unique traffic and don't get any sign ups something is wrong. I don't care what kind of traffic it is or how much. That's another excuse the traffic you send, I think it's bull shit. Just like someone else posted they keep telling you this and that over and over pretty soon you start to believe it.

I got some good advice about 2 years or so ago from Wolfshade about paysites that shave. And it WAS... They are 2 busy fucking the little guy to fuck with the big guys.

:1orglaugh fucking scammer company..

It doesnt matter if it is a third party processor or not it would be easy for someone to write a script in perl or php that would allow
a site to shave sales but does everyone what how to do it posted on a message board so all sponsors can try it out?


Nbritt

Although there is NL mentioned, nothing in the address nor the city looks like something here in Holland. When some can find out more details, contact me and I try to trace it for you at the Dutch Chambers of Commerce.

mail me at mvl@<remove this>msu.nl

Marianne
Holland

No shit! I'd love to see someone hack into thier system.

My girlfriend and I are sending the exact same traffic.

She's getting 1 : 80

I'm getting 1 : 1000

What the fuck!

There should be legal regulations preventing companies from doing things like this, prehaps this will open a door

That's because your girlfriend is sending them first.....afterwards
you send the exact same users to the exact same site again :Graucho

That's not shaving....that's stupid :winkwink:

DynaMite

Just a thought.
this really could be a problem for dollars4all for several reasons first they have to change ever user pass. which means the customers are most likely getting pissed cause they can not log in.
and if someone used all those e-mail address to send the url to the page with all that info on it I think that everyone who has a membership would be running to cancel it quickly.

Nbritt

LOL

TODAY ON CNN

"Late breaking news from gofuckyourself.com.. shaving!!!

It was a myth until today.. but those sneaky gfy'ers let the cat out of the bag... We here at CNN have been very concerned witht his matter, and we will urge ALL americans to pull together and help out our fellow pornographers... more at 8.

thanks.. now for a word from our sponsor(which we will be investigating as well, for shaving !!)"

hahahahah

thanks for revealing my username and password dude! :D

lol, this is a fucking funny thread

What I think is classic are these 'sponsors' who say shit like "We use a 3rd party processor so there's no way we can shave you". That's a bunch of BS and they know it.

I agree. It's downright scandalous. This internet thing is still too much of a free-for-all. Some more regulation is required. An affiliate should know that they're getting the money they earned. Anything less is pathetic.

Nobody is debating that shaving exists. At 50% and 60% it's called fraud and few webmasters become affiliates to programs if they know the shave is on that high.

If a webmaster was promoting them and had a copy of whatever was in that admin area (I didnt see it), they would have grounds to sue. Wouldnt they? And maybe during the procss of a trial laws would fall in place to prevent these type of activities. But that probably will not happen