Nope........new contest, how long until another sponsor is caught?

I didnt read the entire thread so maybe I missed it but can we get some identity on the person(s) involved in this? you know damn well another program will be out in 3 months...

Not sure what happened to the orginal person that posted the message but his handle was JJMedia. Have a good one.

Mark

AMEN!

Why don't we draw up something like GFY blacklist where all the scammers would be mentioned? In a few days this thread will be lost in a bunch of latest messages and dollars4all will continue shaving newcomers. IMHO collected experience is the most effective thing against such bastards.

http://www.goodbadugly.info/ is a good place to post the info on Dollars4All for a more permanent record.

Heh..speaking of "shaving" makingbank.com is running an $84 per trial day..But i assure you there is NO shaving going on :1orglaugh

Actually they won't shave you at all.

Good luck getting a check though

BUMP for the world to see :)

I second that notion.

I really don't see how these sponsors can pay out so much without shaving somewhere. It really isn't about how much you are going to get paid a signup anymore, it is more about if they shave, if they are going to pay you etc. There is really no reason for any sponsor to shave in my opinion. There is plenty of money to be made without screwing anyone over. I can't understand why a sponsor would ever screw a webmaster over PERIOD. Webmasters sending the traffic are responsible for most of a sponsors success.

Mark

:ak47: ALL SPONSORS THAT SHAVE

I am just outraged still about this so I decided to ask my lawyer about this. I just spoke to him and he said the sponsor they shaved can be sued for fraud, etc. They have major problems. I hope every webmaster sponsor that shaves get caught and punished. The industry is becoming a bunch of scam artists etc and headed for the shitter if nothing is ever done about things like this.

Mark

How is one to sue a sponsor that's not based in the U.S.?

I have to talk to my lawyer in the next week reguarding other personal matters, I have been planning to check the laws on these type of issues while I was at it.

If this type of activity is as illegal I as I think I will crack something wide open:321GFY

I believe you can go after anyone anywhere it will just be super expensive if they are not US based. Something must be done or sponsors will just continue to screw everyone over. Fraud is fraud no matter where the hell your at. I am sure visa/mastercard would love to hear about this as well as IBill which is their processor.

Mark

Maybe they will rename the program and come back as, pennies for them dollars for us dot com

Yeah that would be super easy to rename their site and get another dot com but maybe if they get sued and all the processors know about them maybe they will either decide not to shave anymore or will be unable to process credit cards with anyone and have to pay alot of lawyer fees plus judgement costs.

Mark

:ak47: SHAVERS SUCK!

don't think they will get sued though... would any wm REALLY take legal actions against them......

A while ago i found a sponsor with some of it's hosted gallys:
(1) not recorded in stats section days after they were clicked, and
(2) change wm id when clicked/ linked to it's paysite (little one extra alphabet added to the end of wm id... very hard to notice it, but i did....)

I really thought they were mistakes so i observed for about a month on those specific gallys.... then decided to write to the sponsor, and they explained the 'mistakes' were bugs (God knows)... anyways the problems of those specific gallys have been fixed, but who knows if there are 'going to be' other bugs on other gallys that were ok when i checked......

webmasters going after big payouts arent thinking ahead by any means. When i look at a sponsor offering 40 bux a sign-up.. i continue and find a better one because most of their promoted sites suck anyways and beause i know they are goina be shaving my nuts with a rusty razor.

I would SERIOUSLY rather push a sponsor that pays me $9.99 per signup if they ABSOLUTELY did NOT shave. Think about it. Send 100 paying customers to "Mr. paypornsite.com" with no shaving thats $999. Use a 35 dollar per signup sponsor that shaves at 53 percent like most probably do... thats $1225. I think it's worth losing that $225 knowing full well that your traffic is being rewarded 100 percent. And if iw anted to gain that extra $225 I'd just push more fucking traffic to it. Push too much traffic to a shaving sponsor and earn too much, they will just find an excuse to delete you as what has happened with many people I know raking in $$$$ off pay-per-click sponsors OR they would increse the number of razor blades to a nice 70+ shave.

I also look at it this way, with shaving set high.. webmasters may think their traffic is not converting and just dump the sponsor and move on to another one... thus sponsors keep losing webmasters, not that they care anyways. Always having to change sponsors costs us webmasters money because you then have to spend time finding a layout or "trick" that makes the new sponsor convert.:feels-hot

:1orglaugh

yeah Ibill would be furious if someone let them on to the fact that every PPS program that uses them shaves. They have no idea. Especially when the big ones have a house account that makes exacty the same percentage of the sales every month.

I'm really supprised that this has shocked so many people here. It's like you guys didn't think you were getting shaved before this, and that your $3 trials are really worth more than $35 to ARS. The only thing that suprises me is the response by everyone here.

Nobody is surpised that sponsors shave, we are just in an uproar as to the percentage of the shave these fuckwads that got caught shaved. Now we have an excuse to bitch about shavers withought having MR. BigPaySite.com jumping down our fucking throats saying we are ungreatfull little shits.

It's kind of knowing that your spouse is cheating on you but you don't have definite proof. It's when the evidence slaps you in the face that you have no other option but to get pissed off....

we dont even know how to shave, but we do push quality on our paysite. Instead of the crappola thats seems dominant on the net these days, give FTVgirls.com a try. Paysite 4 months old, but with good conversion, and high retention -- for a real fucking reason.

iwantchixx you said that sponsors don't care if they lose webmasters but we definetly care. Webmasters are responsible for over 90% of our traffic. It can also be very expensive finding new webmasters.

There is no way a sponsor can pay $50 per signup when they only charge $35 or $40. We pay as much as possible and I don't see how sponsors can pay so much with all their content, hosting fees, advertising etc. I think when looking for an affiliate if they pay way over what their monthly fee is for members they would have to shave somewhere.

Even though we have been online since 1997 we have never shaved. This year we decided to go to 3rd party stats and payments, shaving is now impossible. I still don't understand why any sponsor would ever shave being they need webmasters to survive and are really responsible for their success. Everyone is so greedy and will walk over everyone to get their money, it really makes me sick.

Mark

I can't help but think that some of these comments in this thread come from people with ulterior motives (ie: programs that pay low % amounts) or webmasters that can't quite get their heads around the affiliate business model.

Don't get me wrong, ANY AMOUNT of shaving sucks, and these people shouldn't be in business.

High pay per signups on free trials have always bothered me - so I have never promoted them.

I currently send traffic to a program that pays a very high % rate on all revenue - but they don't lose money from my initial signups because it is always just a % figure.

They make all their money from the exit traffic - end of story.

They pay me $0 for any signups after the first site that is hit. This suits me.
The STATS TRACKING is controlled by the 3rd party billing company and the checks come direct from the billing company.

I have got to know the principle of the program and I am 100% sure of their integrity. I also think it is a viable business model - and if I had any doubts, I would go elsewhere.

:2 cents:

You hit the nail on the head

Bump - for more people to see, it was getting toward the bottom of the page.

Yeah, you think they could have came up with a code word or something. Instead of putting a flashing sign saying "Hey this is what I've shaved today!"

Shaggy,

Don't show me that again I am already pissed enough as it is. I hope every adult webmaster see it though.

Mark

With third party stats, SHAVING IS STILL POSSIBLE.

One of my ex-sponsors used ccbill stats. The first few 'sales' were all 'rebills' (converted trials or membership renews), NOT 'trials' nor 'recurs' (new sales)...

I thought the sponsor was stupid enough to shave me like that... evidence was there, if there were no sales in trials or full memberships, how could there be rebills...?! Of course again, the explanation from the sponsor - it was a bug.. :(

Soooooo is anybody still sending these guys traffic and letting them get away with this shit?

Butter I am not sure why your ex-sponsors stats were like that but we would never shave period, if we could or not. I don't know how you could shave with CCBill. Once we had an error in someones CCBill's stats and overpaid an affiliate $1,000 but we decided to pay it anyway. I just don't get why any sponsor would ever shave because you want your webmasters to be happy with the program and stick around. Screwing them does nothing. Sure I want to make money but I refuse to screw anyone getting there.

Mark

Dude, you pay per ACTIVE signup, that's a completely different story. You don't have to shave. Active or partnership is the same... you know you will make a profit.

$40 per active is like paying $15 per trial.

I remember signing up for bluemedia 2 years ago and was pissed off after reading the terms... that's false advertising! If you pay $40 per active signup, promote it clearly.

Hey BlueMedia, if you're going to keep bumping this thread so you can spam your program and preach about how you would never shave, at least change your misleading signature to $40 per active member.

Saying you pay $40 per signup is very misleading and puts you in the same class as the company everyone in this thread has been bitching about.

You claimed ignorance about the "active member" concept at first, but its been thoroughly explained to you several times now. So if you're going to continue to preach about how fucking honest you are, walk it like you talk it and change your site and your sig

:1orglaugh

Probably:(

wrong thread to start spamming your prog.....me think

Lenny,

Well I guess I learned from other sponsors. Checking out their sites like TopBucks it clearly states Make $40 Per Signup. I have changed alot of my site to make it as clear as possible. I also changed my signature. I appreciate all the input good and bad since normally nobody ever says anything.

Thanks,
Mark

I happen to agree with most of what you said above, except that when you sell 100 paying customers to the paysite at $10 each you get more than the $1000, because you get rebills for month after month off the same sales.

www.tatgirls.com for example uses globill for links/payments and has no trials, so every signup you get $10 plus the recurring which is about 70% of each member per month. So over time the 100 sales would pay you aprox $3,000.



I don't want to interupt this thread or anything, I just wanted to point out the power behind recurring. After all, it is recurring that currently drives the adult internet.

well, that's like u've seen someone banging ur wife after u thought she's cheating u for years.

nothing new, but how fucking shocking

would to see their upsell stats tho :p
have no idea about usual %% of upsells from a 2.95 trial, like 20-30% probably?

making $10-12k extra for these guys, what do u think?

sorry to say, but if u have sent 1000 hits in 2 weeks that equals 70 hits per day and if u had 1:35 ratios before means u were getting two sales a day beofre and now not a sale in two weeks?

just didn't geddit

wow, nice thread. If anyone had a doubt that alot of the per signup sponsors shave, this should put it to rest

i've heard adultcom has strict anti-spam policy :Graucho

HI they don't shave, but you have to ask 7348735835747357 times for your check....Finalkly sukkboy made it right for me(he was working for them atm)

SO thumbs up for him, and thumbs down for that bubba

Andre

From Luke Ford today...

"NABBED! DOLLARS4YOU.COM CAUGHT SHAVING

CLICK TO ENLARGE EVIDENCE

From Their Page: Having trouble converting your traffic? Look no further! Advertise trial signups on our seven outstanding niche sites and make cash like the old days! We are paying $30 for each trial signup, no exceptions! With over 5 years experience, we know how to convert your traffic into signups! Attracting fresh tours that update on a regular basis ensure the best conversion ratios possible!"

I just sent them an email to see if they have any comments. Reckon they'll answer? LMAO

Hey, I couldn't resist. It's the journalist in me coming out (my DAY job). LOL

--RajinCajun

And probably that's only the top of the aisberg....
do you wonder how much another sponsors are doing something similar?
Or maybe the correct question is "who is shaving least?"

ehh....

Lastnight in my mail



Dear webmaster,

We decided to stop the Dollars4All program due to constant fighting with hackers over the 3 years we have been running this program now. This even resulted in giving us a bad name in this industry recently. Although allegations were not true, we lost the fun in running Dollars4All now.

Please remove all links to the program as soon as possible; before the New Year they will stop working.

All payments will be processed in the first week of the next month as usually.

We thank you for using Dollars4All over the past period of time.

Best regards,

Team Dollars4All