Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 16067733)

now bring that A game mentality to the golf course and let me borrow it..lol

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 16067623)

OH HELL YEAH! I was talking to someone this weekend that is going to save $100,000 in hosting this year alone thanks to me giving him a heads up on what he should be paying. :thumbsup

Originally Posted by MediaGuy (Post 16066659)

Truly very well said.

:D

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 16067808)

Always remember nobody has your back but you. You are running a business and you have to make the business decisions that are best for YOUR business. Listen to your clients but don't worry about anybody else who feels entitled to dictate how you should run your business :winkwink:

That said here are some of the more aggressive things paysites owners can do that will add 100% profit to their bottomline.

Cross sales. Unchecked or checked. Cross sells aren't a bad thing. They exist everywhere in the world. Buy a plane ticket and see how many you get (insurance, bags, meal, wifi). I'm talking about the type of cross sales that epoch and ccbill allow. They are full disclosure and done properly. We run a member forum that is very active and in the 2 years we've been doing cross sales we have not had a single complaint on our board and we've only had a few complaints by email. There is a huge difference between the nasty cross sales where guys are banging cards and running straight up full disclosure ccbill/epoch cross sales. There are not many webmasters that care as much about the client as I do and I'm telling you guys as someone who values my members that cross sales have not had a negative impact on our business. They've in fact been very positive. You can try them on your internal traffic or type in traffic to start. It's worth a shot.

Upsells. This is another thing I held out on forever. Adding upsells to our members area. Live Cams, Dating, Fleshlight, Other paysites. Whatever. We used to always run our members area 100% clean without linking to any other site. What a mistake. We've only added a few banners and done it in a very non-invasive way and the results have been fantastic. It's extra revenue without any disruption in service or retention. Again my number 1 concern is always customer satisfaction and since we've implemented these our customers are still happy.

Remember, you are running a business and the goal of a business is to make MONEY!

Originally Posted by LexiLexxx (Post 16067844)

In the meantime, I'm still confused about the economy and free tube sites. I guess that's where Karma comes in, it's a hard choice! Money on the table in a good way or a bad way? Do you adapt in a good or bad way?.... Just make sure you get advise from good people/companies and try to make the right choices.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 16067856)

do your cross sales bill to the same merchant as the original sale? or another merchant account?

Originally Posted by stevo (Post 16067846)

It's amazing how much bandwidth prices have droped the past few years. Two weeks ago I doubled my bandwidth (mbps) and cut my hosting bill in half.

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 16067648)

Yeah. I was born there. Only lived 10 or so months there. My grandparents still live in Magog.

Hit me up. :thumbsup

Originally Posted by seeandsee (Post 16066657)

i like your sig

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 16067832)

I never said it didn't happen. I said I never bought banner spots.

Sticking with the theme of the thread (giving advice) here is another piece of advice for you: If you want to start shit and try to attack someone do it right. Don't do it half assed with the wrong information and don't be a pussy about it. If you want to be the dickhead that tries to steer the thread in a negative direction then man up and do it right. If not don't waste anyone's time (including yours) posting here. I appreciate your time but surely you could have done something more valuable to yourself than posting here :2 cents:

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 16066625)

Every week that passes there are more threads complaining about how shitty things are in our industry. I thought I'd share a small piece of advice that has really helped our business in the past year. The best way I could say it is: Leave as Little Money as Possible on The Table!!! That means optimize and monetize your sites.

Running any type of site involves a lot of work. I've been doing this for 10 years now and I can honestly say there has never been a moment in those 10 years where I've felt like I had nothing to do to my sites. There is always something (and usually A SHITLOAD of somethings) to do.

In the past if you ran a site (paysite, tgp, whatever) and were not truly optimizing it you could survive and in most cases do very well. In the past year I've heard more and more people complain about how poorly they are doing and how badly their bottom line is being hit. When I visit their sites I see that a lot of those people are leaving a lot of money on the table. The beauty of optimizing your sites is in most cases it involves some initial work and then the money starts flowing in without much additional work required (obviously managing and optimizing further helps you make even more).

So do yourself a favor. Take a step back. Review every aspect of your site(s) and see where you are leaving money on the table. Now is the time to put in the work and get that money. In most cases it usually adds 100% to the bottom line so it increases your profitability.

It's worked very well for us so I'm sure it can help a few of you as well :thumbsup

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 16067870)

We don't do any cross sales on merchant accounts. We are only doing them with our ccbill and epoch accounts.

Originally Posted by Porko (Post 16067889)

really well said and btw, your sig is so hot

Originally Posted by KrisH (Post 16067973)

Im not pussying out, I just dont see a point starting a debate about the topic that have been proven in other topics before. It was not a attempt to steer the thread in a negative direction. My comment to prove the hypocracy, and I think I have made my point.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 16067993)

gotcha, does the cross sale go to another ccbill or epoch account then?

i guess my question is-

does the cross sale always get billed to another account than the original sale account?

thx!

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 16067903)

Dyna Mo. Two other important things you can optimize that are really nice additions in $$$ is your 404 and 401 traffic ;)

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 16068026)

Correct. It goes to another account. We actually cross sold to ourselves for a while and that didn't work out well.

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 16067648)

Yeah. I was born there. Only lived 10 or so months there. My grandparents still live in Magog.

Hit me up. :thumbsup

Originally Posted by NoWhErE (Post 16068444)

I'd love to but I don't see any contact info in your sig or profile.


If you don't want to post any info on the boards, hit me up on ICQ 9117840 or email me : contact AT nowhere-productions DOT com


Cheers!

Originally Posted by Poppy (Post 16068107)

Well said Shap.

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 16066625)

When I visit their sites I see that a lot of those people are leaving a lot of money on the table. The beauty of optimizing your sites is in most cases it involves some initial work and then the money starts flowing in without much additional work required (obviously managing and optimizing further helps you make even more).

Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 16066784)

Minimizing your expenses is another good one (takeoff from your other thread :winkwink: )

Now is a good time to renegotiate your hosting plan, feeds, see what expenses you have that aren't making you money or worth the amount your paying... trim the fat.

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed (Post 16082157)

greed kills

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 16067623)

OH HELL YEAH! I was talking to someone this weekend that is going to save $100,000 in hosting this year alone thanks to me giving him a heads up on what he should be paying. :thumbsup

Originally Posted by SGS (Post 16082444)

I owe you a very large drink when I finally get to meet you. :thumbsup

Thank you. :)

Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST (Post 16067892)

Really good thread!