An important tip to being successful in our industry in 2009 - GoFuckYourself.com

Shap · 07-15-2009, 09:22 AM

Every week that passes there are more threads complaining about how shitty things are in our industry. I thought I'd share a small piece of advice that has really helped our business in the past year. The best way I could say it is: Leave as Little Money as Possible on The Table!!! That means optimize and monetize your sites.

Running any type of site involves a lot of work. I've been doing this for 10 years now and I can honestly say there has never been a moment in those 10 years where I've felt like I had nothing to do to my sites. There is always something (and usually A SHITLOAD of somethings) to do.

In the past if you ran a site (paysite, tgp, whatever) and were not truly optimizing it you could survive and in most cases do very well. In the past year I've heard more and more people complain about how poorly they are doing and how badly their bottom line is being hit. When I visit their sites I see that a lot of those people are leaving a lot of money on the table. The beauty of optimizing your sites is in most cases it involves some initial work and then the money starts flowing in without much additional work required (obviously managing and optimizing further helps you make even more).

So do yourself a favor. Take a step back. Review every aspect of your site(s) and see where you are leaving money on the table. Now is the time to put in the work and get that money. In most cases it usually adds 100% to the bottom line so it increases your profitability.

It's worked very well for us so I'm sure it can help a few of you as well

Rankings · 07-15-2009, 09:24 AM

well said

WiredGuy · 07-15-2009, 09:26 AM

Very well said.
WG

seeandsee · 07-15-2009, 09:30 AM

i like your sig

MediaGuy · 07-15-2009, 09:31 AM

Truly very well said.

:D

martinsc · 07-15-2009, 09:35 AM

BradM · 07-15-2009, 09:44 AM

XX_RydeR · 07-15-2009, 09:45 AM

Words of wisdom.

Iron Fist · 07-15-2009, 09:49 AM

I like where your going with this... but since i'm posting on GFY instead of optimizing my sites, well I guess i'm leaving money on the table right now! No wait.. i'm a sigwhore... so i'm getting paid either way! How about that!! WHOOHOO!

AudreyG · 07-15-2009, 09:49 AM

True. It should always be a work in progress.

CaptainHowdy · 07-15-2009, 09:50 AM

Amen to that...

notime · 07-15-2009, 09:54 AM

Correct.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marketing_myopia
&
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_planning

Good read for the readers in this thread.

fuzebox · 07-15-2009, 10:00 AM

Minimizing your expenses is another good one (takeoff from your other thread

)

Now is a good time to renegotiate your hosting plan, feeds, see what expenses you have that aren't making you money or worth the amount your paying... trim the fat.

LeRoy · 07-15-2009, 10:01 AM

Good advice Shap. Now I gotta go back to work

Machete_ · 07-15-2009, 10:12 AM

Or if everything else fails, buy bannerspot on the illegal tubes, and put money in their pockets for providing surfer with free copies of other companies content - Right Shap?

Barefootsies · 07-15-2009, 10:16 AM

Good advise.

Shap is the Lord.

Shake Y'er Bon Bon Baby.

ElConquistador · 07-15-2009, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KrisH

Or if everything else fails, buy bannerspot on the illegal tubes, and put money in their pockets for providing surfer with free copies of other companies content - Right Shap?

I think that's what they call... "OWNED"

wargames · 07-15-2009, 10:29 AM

Shap you are always on the money

wargames · 07-15-2009, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuzebox

Minimizing your expenses is another good one (takeoff from your other thread

)

Now is a good time to renegotiate your hosting plan, feeds, see what expenses you have that aren't making you money or worth the amount your paying... trim the fat.

Another good point we trimmed the fat about 6 months ago. Best thing we ever did

Chicks Delivery · 07-15-2009, 10:34 AM

Nice tip, mate! Thanks for that!

closer · 07-15-2009, 10:39 AM

Stating the obvious is sometimes needed as people tend to get lazy when cash is flowing in

CIVMatt · 07-15-2009, 10:41 AM

Good shit, time to step back

dyna mo · 07-15-2009, 10:44 AM

thanks shap!

could you elaborate on some of the things you did in the last year to NOT leave moneys on the table?

thx

femdomdestiny · 07-15-2009, 10:46 AM

You are in right, just yesterday I've clicked randomly on my sites to see some sites that I've completely forgot that they even exist, and guess what? They are down, god only knows for how long.And this is simplest thing, checking outgoing links.

So there is also a question for processors, why they don't notify affiliates when some website is down?

Unlimited · 07-15-2009, 10:47 AM

good tip!
i have this problem

NoWhErE · 07-15-2009, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap

Every week that passes there are more threads complaining about how shitty things are in our industry. I thought I'd share a small piece of advice that has really helped our business in the past year. The best way I could say it is: Leave as Little Money as Possible on The Table!!! That means optimize and monetize your sites.

Running any type of site involves a lot of work. I've been doing this for 10 years now and I can honestly say there has never been a moment in those 10 years where I've felt like I had nothing to do to my sites. There is always something (and usually A SHITLOAD of somethings) to do.

In the past if you ran a site (paysite, tgp, whatever) and were not truly optimizing it you could survive and in most cases do very well. In the past year I've heard more and more people complain about how poorly they are doing and how badly their bottom line is being hit. When I visit their sites I see that a lot of those people are leaving a lot of money on the table. The beauty of optimizing your sites is in most cases it involves some initial work and then the money starts flowing in without much additional work required (obviously managing and optimizing further helps you make even more).

So do yourself a favor. Take a step back. Review every aspect of your site(s) and see where you are leaving money on the table. Now is the time to put in the work and get that money. In most cases it usually adds 100% to the bottom line so it increases your profitability.

It's worked very well for us so I'm sure it can help a few of you as well

Hey Shap, I've heard rumours that you're originally from Sherbrooke. Would you be interested in tutoring a fellow Sherbrookois?

Shap · 07-15-2009, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuzebox

Minimizing your expenses is another good one (takeoff from your other thread

)

Now is a good time to renegotiate your hosting plan, feeds, see what expenses you have that aren't making you money or worth the amount your paying... trim the fat.

OH HELL YEAH! I was talking to someone this weekend that is going to save $100,000 in hosting this year alone thanks to me giving him a heads up on what he should be paying.

Shap · 07-15-2009, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KrisH

Or if everything else fails, buy bannerspot on the illegal tubes, and put money in their pockets for providing surfer with free copies of other companies content - Right Shap?

I don't know. As far as I know we've never bought banner spots on any tube site. I've never been big on banners

Shap · 07-15-2009, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by closer

Stating the obvious is sometimes needed as people tend to get lazy when cash is flowing in

Absolutely. It's such small things too. If you run your stuff alone get a few people you trust and use them as advisers and get their feedback. It's amazing how easy it is to miss something that is blatantly obvious to someone not involved in your site.

Shap · 07-15-2009, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoWhErE

Hey Shap, I've heard rumours that you're originally from Sherbrooke. Would you be interested in tutoring a fellow Sherbrookois?

Yeah. I was born there. Only lived 10 or so months there. My grandparents still live in Magog.

Hit me up.

fris · 07-15-2009, 12:42 PM

nice tips

born2blog · 07-15-2009, 12:53 PM

great advice for sure!

ilbb · 07-15-2009, 12:55 PM

I 100% agree with you

Shap · 07-15-2009, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo

thanks shap!

could you elaborate on some of the things you did in the last year to NOT leave moneys on the table?

thx

I wouldn't say any of these were necessarily done in the past year. But here are a few that come to mind (mostly for paysites). Some of these may seem stupid. But with hosting changes, affiliate program changes etc over the years simple things that should work you'll find may not be.

Making sure all typo domains are working and pointing to the right place. It wasn't long ago I found a few of our typo domains and the non www.domain.com not working. Stupid shit but easy money left on the table.

Make sure you are using all payment options your processing companies allow. Online Checks, Debit, Web900 are all a low % of total sales but it all adds up.

Make sure your decline process is set up so they hit a backup processor.

Make sure your cancel emails and cancellation process is optimized. There is money to be made there.

Emailing your ex members. Regularly emailing your ex-members is an easy way to get them back.

Properly managing your exit traffic.

Properly managing your mobile traffic

Optimize your join forms and join pages. This one isn't an easy or quick fix but it's an important one that adds huge long term $$$ when you hit the sweet spot. If you've only ever tried one join form (processor end) and one join page (your end) then you are missing out. Test test test. What you think works may not be what's best. Ccbill and Epoch provide fantastic stats to help you know what's doing best.

Another simple thing is make sure you are being paid by your sponsors. This one is a bitch when you have 200+ accounts. Today more than ever this is very important.

Phoenix · 07-15-2009, 01:01 PM

now bring that A game mentality to the golf course and let me borrow it..lol

dyna mo · 07-15-2009, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap

I wouldn't say any of these were necessarily done in the past year. But here are a few that come to mind (mostly for paysites). Some of these may seem stupid. But with hosting changes, affiliate program changes etc over the years simple things that should work you'll find may not be.

Making sure all typo domains are working and pointing to the right place. It wasn't long ago I found a few of our typo domains and the non www.domain.com not working. Stupid shit but easy money left on the table.

Make sure you are using all payment options your processing companies allow. Online Checks, Debit, Web900 are all a low % of total sales but it all adds up.

Make sure your decline process is set up so they hit a backup processor.

Make sure your cancel emails and cancellation process is optimized. There is money to be made there.

Emailing your ex members. Regularly emailing your ex-members is an easy way to get them back.

Properly managing your exit traffic.

Properly managing your mobile traffic

Optimize your join forms and join pages. This one isn't an easy or quick fix but it's an important one that adds huge long term $$$ when you hit the sweet spot. If you've only ever tried one join form (processor end) and one join page (your end) then you are missing out. Test test test. What you think works may not be what's best. Ccbill and Epoch provide fantastic stats to help you know what's doing best.

Another simple thing is make sure you are being paid by your sponsors. This one is a bitch when you have 200+ accounts. Today more than ever this is very important.

thanks for taking the time to answer.

Machete_ · 07-15-2009, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap

I don't know. As far as I know we've never bought banner spots on any tube site. I've never been big on banners

Yeah - I bet the whole Gaytube/redtube/tube8 or whatever it was called dident happen either. Whatever floats your boat.

Shap · 07-15-2009, 01:14 PM

Always remember nobody has your back but you. You are running a business and you have to make the business decisions that are best for YOUR business. Listen to your clients but don't worry about anybody else who feels entitled to dictate how you should run your business

That said here are some of the more aggressive things paysites owners can do that will add 100% profit to their bottomline.

Cross sales. Unchecked or checked. Cross sells aren't a bad thing. They exist everywhere in the world. Buy a plane ticket and see how many you get (insurance, bags, meal, wifi). I'm talking about the type of cross sales that epoch and ccbill allow. They are full disclosure and done properly. We run a member forum that is very active and in the 2 years we've been doing cross sales we have not had a single complaint on our board and we've only had a few complaints by email. There is a huge difference between the nasty cross sales where guys are banging cards and running straight up full disclosure ccbill/epoch cross sales. There are not many webmasters that care as much about the client as I do and I'm telling you guys as someone who values my members that cross sales have not had a negative impact on our business. They've in fact been very positive. You can try them on your internal traffic or type in traffic to start. It's worth a shot.

Upsells. This is another thing I held out on forever. Adding upsells to our members area. Live Cams, Dating, Fleshlight, Other paysites. Whatever. We used to always run our members area 100% clean without linking to any other site. What a mistake. We've only added a few banners and done it in a very non-invasive way and the results have been fantastic. It's extra revenue without any disruption in service or retention. Again my number 1 concern is always customer satisfaction and since we've implemented these our customers are still happy.

Remember, you are running a business and the goal of a business is to make MONEY!

Shap · 07-15-2009, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KrisH

Yeah - I bet the whole Gaytube/redtube/tube8 or whatever it was called dident happen either. Whatever floats your boat.

I never said it didn't happen. I said I never bought banner spots.

Sticking with the theme of the thread (giving advice) here is another piece of advice for you: If you want to start shit and try to attack someone do it right. Don't do it half assed with the wrong information and don't be a pussy about it. If you want to be the dickhead that tries to steer the thread in a negative direction then man up and do it right. If not don't waste anyone's time (including yours) posting here. I appreciate your time but surely you could have done something more valuable to yourself than posting here

Shap · 07-15-2009, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo

thanks for taking the time to answer.

Anytime

LexiLexxx · 07-15-2009, 01:21 PM

I would also like to add, being around this business for a few yrs and having a top programmer as a husband...take care of the people who take care of YOU! If you have someone or many people (think hosting) that do it real good, don't trim the important thing's, as I was once told by someone, well known in this business, that he was with a company that did him really well, he left at some point (to trim fat)....ONLY to return later, because that kind of service couldn't be provided by the other company/person.

So, while stepping back and reviewing and having other people take a look, don't forget what's important. Pro's and Con's.

In the meantime, I'm still confused about the economy and free tube sites. I guess that's where Karma comes in, it's a hard choice! Money on the table in a good way or a bad way? Do you adapt in a good or bad way?.... Just make sure you get advise from good people/companies and try to make the right choices.

For webmaster's promoting these companies, maybe a top 100 company list should be made and the reasons why you choose to promote them, would/could help the $$$ flow'in in. It's like selling drugs or woking hard the legal way.

Shap · 07-15-2009, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix

now bring that A game mentality to the golf course and let me borrow it..lol

LOL

stevo · 07-15-2009, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap

OH HELL YEAH! I was talking to someone this weekend that is going to save $100,000 in hosting this year alone thanks to me giving him a heads up on what he should be paying.

It's amazing how much bandwidth prices have droped the past few years. Two weeks ago I doubled my bandwidth (mbps) and cut my hosting bill in half.

JFK · 07-15-2009, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MediaGuy

Truly very well said.

:D

Truly

dyna mo · 07-15-2009, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap

Always remember nobody has your back but you. You are running a business and you have to make the business decisions that are best for YOUR business. Listen to your clients but don't worry about anybody else who feels entitled to dictate how you should run your business

That said here are some of the more aggressive things paysites owners can do that will add 100% profit to their bottomline.

Cross sales. Unchecked or checked. Cross sells aren't a bad thing. They exist everywhere in the world. Buy a plane ticket and see how many you get (insurance, bags, meal, wifi). I'm talking about the type of cross sales that epoch and ccbill allow. They are full disclosure and done properly. We run a member forum that is very active and in the 2 years we've been doing cross sales we have not had a single complaint on our board and we've only had a few complaints by email. There is a huge difference between the nasty cross sales where guys are banging cards and running straight up full disclosure ccbill/epoch cross sales. There are not many webmasters that care as much about the client as I do and I'm telling you guys as someone who values my members that cross sales have not had a negative impact on our business. They've in fact been very positive. You can try them on your internal traffic or type in traffic to start. It's worth a shot.

Upsells. This is another thing I held out on forever. Adding upsells to our members area. Live Cams, Dating, Fleshlight, Other paysites. Whatever. We used to always run our members area 100% clean without linking to any other site. What a mistake. We've only added a few banners and done it in a very non-invasive way and the results have been fantastic. It's extra revenue without any disruption in service or retention. Again my number 1 concern is always customer satisfaction and since we've implemented these our customers are still happy.

Remember, you are running a business and the goal of a business is to make MONEY!

do your cross sales bill to the same merchant as the original sale? or another merchant account?

Shap · 07-15-2009, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LexiLexxx

In the meantime, I'm still confused about the economy and free tube sites. I guess that's where Karma comes in, it's a hard choice! Money on the table in a good way or a bad way? Do you adapt in a good or bad way?.... Just make sure you get advise from good people/companies and try to make the right choices.

Good points. This is why I said do what's best for you and your business. Everybody has their own feelings regarding tubes. The one thing everybody will agree to is that they aren't going anywhere. We took a lot of shit for working with certain tube sites. It was a business decision we made. I knew it wouldn't be popular. I'm not running a popularity contest I'm running a business and I felt it was the best decision for us to make for the future of Twistys and TwistysCash. Here we are more than a year later and absolutely nothing has happened to indicate I was wrong. In fact every day that goes by it becomes more apparent that as a company it was the right decision to make.

It's important to get advice from the right people. I'm lucky that I have some really talented and smart people around me that aren't afraid to lay into me. Whether it be regarding a design, a decision or a gfy post. It's important to have people that don't bow down to you but that give you the honest truth.

Shap · 07-15-2009, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo

do your cross sales bill to the same merchant as the original sale? or another merchant account?

We don't do any cross sales on merchant accounts. We are only doing them with our ccbill and epoch accounts.

Shap · 07-15-2009, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevo

It's amazing how much bandwidth prices have droped the past few years. Two weeks ago I doubled my bandwidth (mbps) and cut my hosting bill in half.

It's insane. I think if I compare our 2009 bw prices vs our 2006 prices we are paying almost 90% less!

Jman · 07-15-2009, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap

Yeah. I was born there. Only lived 10 or so months there. My grandparents still live in Magog.

Hit me up.

Magog is a hell of a nice place. I use to windsurf a lot on that lake as a teen.

Hot women as well in the summer

Porko · 07-15-2009, 01:31 PM

really well said and btw, your sig is so hot

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Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	An important tip to being successful in our industry in 2009 Every week that passes there are more threads complaining about how shitty things are in our industry. I thought I'd share a small piece of advice that has really helped our business in the past year. The best way I could say it is: Leave as Little Money as Possible on The Table!!! That means optimize and monetize your sites. Running any type of site involves a lot of work. I've been doing this for 10 years now and I can honestly say there has never been a moment in those 10 years where I've felt like I had nothing to do to my sites. There is always something (and usually A SHITLOAD of somethings) to do. In the past if you ran a site (paysite, tgp, whatever) and were not truly optimizing it you could survive and in most cases do very well. In the past year I've heard more and more people complain about how poorly they are doing and how badly their bottom line is being hit. When I visit their sites I see that a lot of those people are leaving a lot of money on the table. The beauty of optimizing your sites is in most cases it involves some initial work and then the money starts flowing in without much additional work required (obviously managing and optimizing further helps you make even more). So do yourself a favor. Take a step back. Review every aspect of your site(s) and see where you are leaving money on the table. Now is the time to put in the work and get that money. In most cases it usually adds 100% to the bottom line so it increases your profitability. It's worked very well for us so I'm sure it can help a few of you as well

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07-15-2009, 01:14 PM	#38
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	Always remember nobody has your back but you. You are running a business and you have to make the business decisions that are best for YOUR business. Listen to your clients but don't worry about anybody else who feels entitled to dictate how you should run your business That said here are some of the more aggressive things paysites owners can do that will add 100% profit to their bottomline. Cross sales. Unchecked or checked. Cross sells aren't a bad thing. They exist everywhere in the world. Buy a plane ticket and see how many you get (insurance, bags, meal, wifi). I'm talking about the type of cross sales that epoch and ccbill allow. They are full disclosure and done properly. We run a member forum that is very active and in the 2 years we've been doing cross sales we have not had a single complaint on our board and we've only had a few complaints by email. There is a huge difference between the nasty cross sales where guys are banging cards and running straight up full disclosure ccbill/epoch cross sales. There are not many webmasters that care as much about the client as I do and I'm telling you guys as someone who values my members that cross sales have not had a negative impact on our business. They've in fact been very positive. You can try them on your internal traffic or type in traffic to start. It's worth a shot. Upsells. This is another thing I held out on forever. Adding upsells to our members area. Live Cams, Dating, Fleshlight, Other paysites. Whatever. We used to always run our members area 100% clean without linking to any other site. What a mistake. We've only added a few banners and done it in a very non-invasive way and the results have been fantastic. It's extra revenue without any disruption in service or retention. Again my number 1 concern is always customer satisfaction and since we've implemented these our customers are still happy. Remember, you are running a business and the goal of a business is to make MONEY!

07-15-2009, 01:21 PM	#41
LexiLexxx Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Vegas, Baby!!!! Posts: 2,510	I would also like to add, being around this business for a few yrs and having a top programmer as a husband...take care of the people who take care of YOU! If you have someone or many people (think hosting) that do it real good, don't trim the important thing's, as I was once told by someone, well known in this business, that he was with a company that did him really well, he left at some point (to trim fat)....ONLY to return later, because that kind of service couldn't be provided by the other company/person. So, while stepping back and reviewing and having other people take a look, don't forget what's important. Pro's and Con's. In the meantime, I'm still confused about the economy and free tube sites. I guess that's where Karma comes in, it's a hard choice! Money on the table in a good way or a bad way? Do you adapt in a good or bad way?.... Just make sure you get advise from good people/companies and try to make the right choices. For webmaster's promoting these companies, maybe a top 100 company list should be made and the reasons why you choose to promote them, would/could help the $$$ flow'in in. It's like selling drugs or woking hard the legal way. Last edited by LexiLexxx; 07-15-2009 at 01:22 PM..

07-15-2009, 01:31 PM	#50
Porko SeeMyBucks.com Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USA Posts: 4,014	really well said and btw, your sig is so hot __________________