What have tubes done? Traffic thread ((PICS))

[Carmine Raguso]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

And I'm just a dumb guy.

[BFT3K]

Tube sites destroyed the adult biz, and continue to do so... more and more every day!

Porn was always recession proof, so don't think the economy is the big issue here - the tube sites have destroyed the online porn biz - period!

Not torrents - not password traders - not the economy. Tube sites simply suck!

Everyone's content is all over the tubes, and new tubes are popping up like fucking cancer.

Here's a new link for you Robbie...

http://www.mushroomtube.com/search/?q=claudia+marie

[Pseudonymous]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Which brings to mind the concept that people should only pay for content these days that contains the model(s) actor(s) working with real world signage for your website in place and in frame 24/7. Then a semi transparent watermark across the entire thing.

It's gonna happen. Why wouldnt it happen?

edit: do I sound bitter or cynical? Sorry. Someone is making my life difficult. I'm anger-posting today.

That's what I was just thinking.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Carmine Raguso

Which changes what Robbie? The fact that it will still be ripped and played for free? What good is a watermarking URLs or a teeshirt wearing whore getting fucked in the ass if they have no reason to ever look at your site in the first place? Fact is, they want to cum... that minute, that second. "What was she wearing again?"... "What was that watermark?"..."What was the logo on that tee shirt?"

Fact is, this is an impulse driven industry and has been since day one. When shit is free people will not pay for it if they do not have to, watermarks, teeshirts, shit in the background.

Big percentage is impulse. That's the big percentage that is screwed right now. What I do isn't quite as impulse driven. I've made a dollar or two in this business over the years by NOT going after the impulse guys, but trying to provide stuff that people actually want.

The tshirt wearing whore with a cock up her ass will brand the name of the site.

Your prognosis is 100% true for the big generic "mega-sites" but has no bearing on me at all. Look at my Alexa graph again for CM. It does NOT go down like the rest. I opened the site in 2007. At that point we had a huge spike, and our affiliates had plenty of traffic. But after tube sites went big I did a LOT of shit to keep my money up. I have to. Too many people depend on me. Look again...our traffic has leveled off over the last year. Not went down.

And you are greatly underestimating my creative thoughts for product placement. If it doesn't do anything BUT give me some great comedic moments in the scenes I'll be happy. The better my product is, the more money I make.

A good solo girl site is completely unlike any other porn site. We have FANS, not just members.

[Roald]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

heh, yeah it's more like something people remember later if anything. "Gee what was that video that got me off so good? oh I remember that tshirt (or whatever) with domain on it" and they type it in.

But really, a nice easy to read and comprehend domain name is a no-brainer for increase in value IMHO. And I'm just a dumb guy.

why you think a site like Brazzers got that big? They are everywhere, TGPs, tubes, linklists, etc etc. Always trying to get their name out and into peoples heads. You might not agree with their ethics but sure as hell loads of people know about them. They know how to push a site and they are still banking on it if you like it or not.

Same goes for Bang, nasty, and a few others. They know marketing very very well

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Here's a new link for you Robbie...

http://www.mushroomtube.com/search/?q=claudia+marie

Nothing I can do about those links. Those are I$ and Naughty America. I just laugh about that and think of it as new sets of eyes on Claudia-Marie and then they go to forums and ask who it is and then eventually the small percentage that get hooked come to me.

[pornguy]

Robbie. I have a couple Product placement thoughts that I can pass along.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by Robbie

That's a fucking great idea. Product placement within the vid itself. Shirts being worn with the site name. A picture on the wall behind the bitches head with the website url. A glass with the url. I'm going to incorporate that idea. Watermarks are so easy to get around and when you start over watermarking or even moving them at random throughout the movie, it starts to become an annoyance. But "product placement", done just like they do in Hollywood when the main character drives a certain brand of car, smokes a certain brand of cigarette, etc. would kick ass!

Matter of fact on Claudia-Marie.Com, we do so much humor in the set up to the scenes that we could OVER do it in a comedic way. Excellent!

The creative wheels are turning in my head.

interesting how you think it a great idea now but when i pointed out the fundamentals of product placement
even showing a clip from studio 60 that explained the concept of signage and product integration

you said there was no way that would work in porn.

[pornguy]

Roald. Did you get paid out by Kelly Madison??

ICQ me 174228679

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Robbie. I have a couple Product placement thoughts that I can pass along.

I'd love to hear them. I actually got excited about the comedy spots I have come up with in the last few minutes. Got the camera angles in my head and the little sound effects...and of course Claudia-Marie flashing a huge cheesy smile

[SleazyDream]

Originally Posted by Carmine Raguso

Keep on buying those paid spots Brazzers, your bank account should be empty in a year or so

maybe this is a possibility

what that isn't showing is that that most tubes HOST the galleries, so that graph doesn't show QUALITY of traffic.

brazzers for example before may have been more gallery traffic, with how big they are in tubes that may be showing more hits to the paysite looking to buy

[hitahomer]

Someone let the members area script out of the area.

Thanks to that somebody everybody is hurting.

Pretty much free videos, ridiculous.

Thankfully this is not my only outlet or inlet.

There is much more to it, contact me to find out how they operate at losses.

Pay me

[Roald]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Roald. Did you get paid out by Kelly Madison??

ICQ me 174228679

we are currently in contact yes

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by Roald

we are currently in contact yes

Great to hear. Mine is settled up and got a few more on the way. So..

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

interesting how you think it a great idea now but when i pointed out the fundamentals of product placement
even showing a clip from studio 60 that explained the concept of signage and product integration

you said there was no way that would work in porn.

You didn't explain shit to me. You babbled about "branding bugs" and how you were a genius. I told YOU that it was called product placement and had been used in Hollywood for decades. You were insinuating that we could sell products within the movies. Which to some extent would be true if you own a sybian, lingerie, or dildo company. But you NEVER said a word about using product placement in the way that was suggested by PR_Tom

Sorry folks, but this whole thread is about to go down faster than my TGP's alexa rating because once again Gideon (who is not even in this industry) is going to start explaining to all of us how to run our business.

This was a great thread and I've come away with some great creative ideas. Thanks guys!

[Carmine Raguso]

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

maybe this is a possibility

what that isn't showing is that that most tubes HOST the galleries, so that graph doesn't show QUALITY of traffic.

brazzers for example before may have been more gallery traffic, with how big they are in tubes that may be showing more hits to the paysite looking to buy

Fair enough, their FHGs are on brazzersnetwork.com, so let's look at their sites individually:

Their self claimed top comverting site:








Need I honestly say any more?

[Roald]

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

maybe this is a possibility

what that isn't showing is that that most tubes HOST the galleries, so that graph doesn't show QUALITY of traffic.

brazzers for example before may have been more gallery traffic, with how big they are in tubes that may be showing more hits to the paysite looking to buy

and then again check alexa for brazzers.com which they watermark everything with. not bad for a site affiliates can not promote (if I am not mistaken) huh.

[Roald]

Originally Posted by Carmine Raguso

Fair enough, their FHGs are on brazzersnetwork.com, so let's look at their sites individually:

Their self claimed top comverting site:








Need I honestly say any more?

I don;t think they are really pushing the BrazBucks sites tbh

[Yngwie]

Tube sites are getting a lot of traffic and many are losing traffic and sales due to it, but why not also go after mobile traffic? Might as well make some $ from that traffic instead of letting another income stream die. There are still many ways to make $ even though the tubes have taken a majority of the traffic.

Joke for the day
I guess Al Gore was right when he said "The internet is a series of tubes" lol

[Carmine Raguso]

Originally Posted by Roald

I don;t think they are really pushing the BrazBucks sites tbh

Which brings me to those sites they are pushing all being located on this domain (like the rest)



Which in turn makes his point moot

[Carmine Raguso]

Originally Posted by Yngwie

Joke for the day
I guess Al Gore was right when he said "The internet is a series of tubes" lol

"Series of tubes" is an analogy used by former United States Senator Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) to describe the Internet in the context of network neutrality.[1] On June 28, 2006, he used this metaphor to criticize a proposed amendment to a committee bill. The amendment would have prohibited Internet service providers such as AT&T and Verizon Communications from charging fees to give some companies higher priority access to their networks or their customers. This metaphor (along with several other odd choices of words) was widely ridiculed as demonstrating Stevens' poor understanding of the Internet, despite being in charge of regulating it.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_of_tubes

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by Yngwie

I guess Al Gore was right when he said "The internet is a series of tubes" lol

He never said that. You are thinking about Ted Stevens...

[hitahomer]

Originally Posted by Roald

I don;t think they are really pushing the BrazBucks sites tbh

Bro, massive trick to the tube site wammy.

They operate at losses for a reason and the reason I know.

Sorry for not broadcasting it on a tube site.

I urge paysites to take the content away, but I'm only fourteen or so years late posting to GFY.

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by Carmine Raguso

Fair enough, their FHGs are on brazzersnetwork.com, so let's look at their sites individually:

Their self claimed top comverting site:








Need I honestly say any more?

I like the trend. Here's hoping more big programs copy this brilliant business model!

Give it all away for free... that's where the big money is!

[SleazyDream]

Originally Posted by Carmine Raguso

Fair enough, their FHGs are on brazzersnetwork.com, so let's look at their sites individually:

Their self claimed top comverting site:








Need I honestly say any more?

that says a LOT actually...................

[Lykos]

Very good thread!

[Roald]

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

that says a LOT actually...................

if they were actually marketing those it would yes ;)))

Ok enough tube crap for today, anybody a Heineken?

[Yngwie]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

He never said that. You are thinking about Ted Stevens...

ya, I realized that way to late. i had the name Al Gore stuck in my head for some reason, but I guess I fucked my little joke. lol

I became the joke for the day. haha ;)

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by Robbie

You didn't explain shit to me. You babbled about "branding bugs" and how you were a genius. I told YOU that it was called product placement and had been used in Hollywood for decades. You were insinuating that we could sell products within the movies. Which to some extent would be true if you own a sybian, lingerie, or dildo company. But you NEVER said a word about using product placement in the way that was suggested by PR_Tom

Sorry folks, but this whole thread is about to go down faster than my TGP's alexa rating because once again Gideon (who is not even in this industry) is going to start explaining to all of us how to run our business.

This was a great thread and I've come away with some great creative ideas. Thanks guys!

branding bugs is not product placement to totally different conversations

if your an idiot you would confuse the points about how branding bugs can make a product placement pop and become recognized on a consious level with it being the same thing

newsflash they are not the same thing.

hell in the 5 point i mentioned then at two different spots

what you are talking about as your great creative idea (suprise suprise you took credit for it) was what i had repeatedly talked about as signage

which is the lowest form of product placement


the original clip is gone, and embedding is disabled on this one so i can't put it directly in or get to the start of the clip i orginally showed you guys

https://youtube.com/watch?v=PjKCrOWNarg

but fast forward to 7:09 in the 9 + minute clip and you can see the explaination in detail

i personally suggest you watch the entire episode, it a very good laymen explaination of product placement.

even better spend some money and take a real course on q ratio.

[whorehole]

The thing that is mind bogglingly stupid about the tube sites is that they are leaving tons of money on the table by not working with the paysites.

They are convinced they can only offer full-length vids and don't work in shorter clips with good linkage back to the paysites.. they would be getting paid for that, and theyd be alot less of a pariah.

I've seen tube sites gets sales- it can and does happen- ratios arent too bad either, especially these days.

BUT only a handful of them do it the right way- the rest just sandwich the video with no links back to the paysite in between an eyesore mess of live cam and dating ads.

The surfer is there to watch vids of his fave star or whatever niche he likes- how much better can a AFF banner do vs a banner to that girl's official site, or a site full of that guy's favorite niche? Not much better really, but they don't do this.. its really dumb.

A nice cleanly designed tube site with 2-8 minute clips linking well back to sponsors and also with some cam/dating stuff can do well, and not dick everyone over.

I like the tube site as a video-delivery medium, lets face it, text link lists are kinda tired.. flv is cool, etc but the way most tube sites are doing it is just frikkin dumb

[greg80]

when you put a coca cola in a movie it works, because you still need to go to a shop to buy that coca cola when you want it. But with porn placement, you are actually giving it ALL for free, no need to buy anything.

Originally Posted by gideongallery

branding bugs is not product placement to totally different conversations

if your an idiot you would confuse the points about how branding bugs can make a product placement pop and become recognized on a consious level with it being the same thing

newsflash they are not the same thing.

hell in the 5 point i mentioned then at two different spots

what you are talking about as your great creative idea (suprise suprise you took credit for it) was what i had repeatedly talked about as signage

which is the lowest form of product placement


the original clip is gone, and embedding is disabled on this one so i can't put it directly in or get to the start of the clip i orginally showed you guys

https://youtube.com/watch?v=PjKCrOWNarg

but fast forward to 7:09 in the 9 + minute clip and you can see the explaination in detail

i personally suggest you watch the entire episode, it a very good laymen explaination of product placement.

even better spend some money and take a real course on q ratio.

[Tom_PM]

Originally Posted by Yngwie

Tube sites are getting a lot of traffic and many are losing traffic and sales due to it, but why not also go after mobile traffic? Might as well make some $ from that traffic instead of letting another income stream die. There are still many ways to make $ even though the tubes have taken a majority of the traffic.

Joke for the day
I guess Al Gore was right when he said "The internet is a series of tubes" lol

lmfao! Thats so funny about Gore's old quote. my god, he just gets better with age (or weight). But I bet he still can't dance.

I dont think I had any new idea btw, not at all. I remember talking about tgp recip buttons and saying thats why you need a short domain that at least has the vowels in the right place to resemble a real word. Because people may not click, but they may remember. Always be selling (why should closing have all the fun).

[XPays]

the interesting thing is how the porn industry is being pimped by the dating industry.

[xxxjay]

Originally Posted by Carmine Raguso

And to the moron that stated that it's the economic downturn, come on... TGPs lost it... why? That shit is free? Because assholes like youporn, youjozz, pornhub, yube8 etc are giving it ALL away the fuck for free.

Now look at the graphs of the cuntbags buying spots on those sites. It's like a scared animal painted into a corner and they do not know what to do so they keep spending more money to buy more spots, still watching their traffic fall off they map day by fucking day.

Anyone that says signups are up are either clueless, retarded or straight up fucking lying. You have seen those Brazzers ads on tube sites. They look like fucking tube videos blended right into the site and they STILL aren't getting clicked. The graph proves it.

This is 100% spot on. It should be interesting to see that "Business of Pleasure" thing on ABC this week. I bet when they started that show they were looking for a ratings-boosting-cock-swagger piece about rich pornographers and big-tittied pornstars, but after they researched the story for a bit they found the biz was headed to hell in a handbasket even faster than other sectors. The only thing they probably saw was a bunch of scared people, wondering where the next dollar will come from or looking to exit the biz. The money has to come in from somewhere and as internet porno people - we are at the top of the food chain, if the money is no longer trickling in from the top...where is it going to trickle too? This effects everyone, from production, talent, shooters, agencies -- straight down the line! The really sad part is WE ARE DOING IT TO OURSELVES! All you tube loving idiots need to go die, like yesterday!

Great thread BTW!

[Tom_PM]

OH ok, ted stevens. Well al gore still cant dance.

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by xxxjay

This is 100% spot on. It should be interesting to see that "Business of Pleasure" thing on ABC this week. I bet when they started that show they were looking for a ratings-boosting-cock-swagger piece about rich pornographers and big-tittied pornstars, but after they researched the story for a bit they found the biz was headed to hell in a handbasket even faster than other sectors. The only thing they probably saw was a bunch of scared people, wondering where the next dollar will come from or looking to exit the biz. The money has to come in from somewhere and as internet porno people - we are at the top of the food chain, if the money is no longer trickling in from the top...where is it going to trickle too? This effects everyone, from production, talent, shooters, agencies -- straight down the line! The really sad part is WE ARE DOING IT TO OURSELVES! All you tube loving idiots need to go die, like yesterday!

Great thread BTW!

Porn: Business of Pleasure
Wed, Jul 15, 9:00p - 10:00p
CNBC
2009 | 60 mins
Inside the multibillion-dollar pornography industry; interviews with adult-film performers and company executives.

Probably filled with a TON of TOTAL bullshit, and lots of pretend optimism!

[Yngwie]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

OH ok, ted stevens. Well al gore still cant dance.

ya, I fucked up. haha

[Jack Sparrow]

Cliffnotes?
Or just another tubes suck and dont make money, but are taking all the traffic anyways?

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by greg80

when you put a coca cola in a movie it works, because you still need to go to a shop to buy that coca cola when you want it. But with porn placement, you are actually giving it ALL for free, no need to buy anything.

fundamentally clueless, there examples of product placement for stuff that was given away for free too.

tv shows do product placements for other tv shows

look at my name is earl
they did a product placement for OC chopper
and intervention

there are tons of examples

signage is the absolute bottom of the barrel
porn has been doing it for years

it current value is 1/18 of a second per second

story line intergration is 1/4 of a second per second.

there are over 50 criteria for determining the value of a product placement using the q ratio metric.

once you understand the fundamentals you can see massive oppertunities in product placement
as long as you don't you keep thinking stupid statements like this one.

[Martin]

I blame the DVD guys for the birth of Tube sites. These DVD studios had no idea about the web (still don't have a fucking clue) and they gave away all their shit for pennies. You can join a dvd site and download movies all day everyday for $19.95 a month. I don't see MASS amounts of Bang Bros content on the tubes. I don't see MASS amounts of Nasty Dollars videos every where. They protected their content. We as webmasters are to blame too. We should have went to a no download policy in members areas, but we were to worried about kissing the surfers asses and now we're paying for it. Cry all you want about tubes. The cat is out of the bag and I don't see any change coming any time soon.

[Carmine Raguso]

Originally Posted by mrfrisky

Cliffnotes?
Or just another tubes suck and dont make money, but are taking all the traffic anyways?

Remind me to remind people I know to stay away from your piece of shit venture.

Wait, I just reminded myself.

[Pseudonymous]

Originally Posted by Martin

I blame the DVD guys for the birth of Tube sites. These DVD studios had no idea about the web (still don't have a fucking clue) and they gave away all their shit for pennies. You can join a dvd site and download movies all day everyday for $19.95 a month. I don't see MASS amounts of Bang Bros content on the tubes. I don't see MASS amounts of Nasty Dollars videos every where. They protected their content. We as webmasters are to blame too. We should have went to a no download policy in members areas, but we were to worried about kissing the surfers asses and now we're paying for it. Cry all you want about tubes. The cat is out of the bag and I don't see any change coming any time soon.

How come people can't switch to the no dl policy now?

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by Martin

I don't see MASS amounts of Bang Bros content on the tubes. I don't see MASS amounts of Nasty Dollars videos every where. They protected their content.

Reeeeeaaaallly? Are you using the same internet?

[Carmine Raguso]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Reeeeeaaaallly? Are you using the same internet?

no fucking kidding.

[Carmine Raguso]

Originally Posted by mrfrisky

Cliffnotes?
Or just another tubes suck and dont make money, but are taking all the traffic anyways?

And just an FYI, all of the spamming you do in threads is NOT paying off. Your views are utterly failure to the umpteenth degree. I'm just saying, now please gtfo.

[BFT3K]

Here's one of their "well protected" scenes for you...

http://www.empflix.com/view.php?id=51676

[Martin]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Reeeeeaaaallly? Are you using the same internet?

Find me a FL Nasty Dollars video on a tube site. I don't see them. I'm sure there is some but you just don't see the amount you see coming from other programs. The biggest supplier for these tube sites are the DVD studios and they have NO idea why dvd sales are in the shitter.

[greg80]

So oc chopper is giving away their choppers for free? I understand you want to brand yourself, but according to alexa chart it is not working in this way.

Originally Posted by gideongallery

fundamentally clueless, there examples of product placement for stuff that was given away for free too.

tv shows do product placements for other tv shows

look at my name is earl
they did a product placement for OC chopper
and intervention

there are tons of examples

signage is the absolute bottom of the barrel
porn has been doing it for years

it current value is 1/18 of a second per second

story line intergration is 1/4 of a second per second.

there are over 50 criteria for determining the value of a product placement using the q ratio metric.

once you understand the fundamentals you can see massive oppertunities in product placement
as long as you don't you keep thinking stupid statements like this one.

[Carmine Raguso]

Originally Posted by xxxjay

This is 100% spot on. It should be interesting to see that "Business of Pleasure" thing on ABC this week. I bet when they started that show they were looking for a ratings-boosting-cock-swagger piece about rich pornographers and big-tittied pornstars, but after they researched the story for a bit they found the biz was headed to hell in a handbasket even faster than other sectors. The only thing they probably saw was a bunch of scared people, wondering where the next dollar will come from or looking to exit the biz. The money has to come in from somewhere and as internet porno people - we are at the top of the food chain, if the money is no longer trickling in from the top...where is it going to trickle too? This effects everyone, from production, talent, shooters, agencies -- straight down the line! The really sad part is WE ARE DOING IT TO OURSELVES! All you tube loving idiots need to go die, like yesterday!

Great thread BTW!

Yup, it wouldn't surprise me if I found out that the government did this to us. I know that's not true but if only someone had thought of this idea earlier, they could have decimated the entire cluster fuck down to a wad of chewing gum.

Everyone was here thinking that they could hide behind DMCA blah blah blah... guess what? Fuck you.

"You work for me now bitch. Work hard, sweat. Sweat fucking hard loser. Use your kids college fund to make me my cake cunt. I will steal it. I will steal it all for $19,95. Then I'll take that cake and stick it up your kid's tight asshole and ream him loose. Make sure your family has no fucking future. And guess what? I will do it all FOR FREE!!!"
Sincerely,
--The Tubes

Happy tubing losers

[Martin]

Well like I said you don't see mass amounts from them on tubes. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't mind a few videos of theirs on tube sites. They might be the ones uploading them. I hardly see anything from them.