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	---------------------------------------- thanks for your enquiry, not really for sale. cams.com and livejasmin.com and others make $100 million per year profit. I'd sell for $20 million. Graham  | 
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		 He just paid 350k for it 2 months ago, but based on some his postings on multiple boards, he appears to be somewhat clueless on how to monetize it. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
			
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             ![]() And thats why cams.com is fired staff left, right and center and buried in debt. My only question is how did a mentally handicapped person get their hands on $350k in the first place to buy it.             ![]() 
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 As long as the owner can avg about 50k a year with this name, than 350k investment was well worth it. 350k was not a steal by any means, and it was more than cams.com or webcams.com were purchased for just few years ago. Like i said if the new owner can do 50k a year or better, than it was clearly a good investment IMO. Its no where near 50k a year now, maybe 10-15k a year now so the new owner will have to put in some work and grow that traffic from current avg of around 150-200 uniques / day 
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 Anyhow, I have no way of knowing if those numbers were true, I just saw them posted somewhere long ago. I'm not stupid, they very well could have been lying to hype their own brand but I don't know them personally so I didn't ask. I appreciate your condescending attitude though.  | 
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 however.. 350k just because "livejasmin makes xyz" and not knowing the first thing about anything to the business of domains or cams... is a bit absurd ;) i might be able to buy GM for a very great price. but i think we could all agree that if i then went to a forum and asked "ok, now what" and replied to everything with "well, both Ferrari and Lamborghini had 18% - 20% growth last year" to defend the fact that I bought GM, it would warrant some harassment and name calling and ridicule. ;) he clearly didn't work for and earn that money because he's far too naive about business in general, investment or anything else. (you may have missed his other threads) - it looks a lot like a 17yr old who got the money from his dad. or maybe someone that won 400k in an auto accident settlement or something.  | 
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 i'm digging through public archives to show you some history of this name.. gimme some time 
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	more after a while. OK cams.com, livejasmin.com, webcams.com, imlive.com, hotcams.com and a few other big sites all worked pretty hard. But even if I only get 1% as big as these sites I'm gonna retire with 20 million. What do you think of camgirlslive.com? Most of us wouldn't pay $50 for the domain but it's alexa is 15,000, 14,000 uniques a day according to estibot, probably makes $1M to $2M a year. It's just a white label site with no affiliates. Camgirls.com by all logic should overtake camgirlslive.com  | 
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 You putting a white label up on camgirls.com and walking away is the same as me putting a white label on any other domain that gets a couple hundred hits per day. You won't retire with $20,000,000 or even $2,000,000 from it.  | 
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 Also, you saying that camgirls.com by all logic should "overtake" camgirlslive.com is not viable unless you work hard to make it do just that. a alexa of 15k is usually a bit more than 14k uniques a day btw. 
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 btw, are you still running your previous company in this space ? If not wtf are you upto these days ?? Still happily married to a russian women ?? 
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 I think if you had a custom white label done with one of the good programs availabe...you can just avoid all that overhead. Use the money you would save to build your brand, perhaps buy ad space on the top 100 adult websites. Buy traffic, buy hardlinks, submit galleries, make the camgirls.com logo so people remember it, have a bookmark link at the top. I have some cool cam domains myself, but don't have the budget to promote them. So I need to rely on search engines at the moment. My favorite white label program is VideoSecrets...the white labels look great with little work. for example this is one of my new ones live tonight webcamcams  | 
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 If this site was your retirement plan you are going to be in for some hard knock learning. It's difficult for a webmaster that knows exactly what's going on to boot up a webcam site from scratch, much less someone that doesn't have the first inkling of a clue about any of it.  | 
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 Then once you have maybe spent a fortune and got your site running and super amounts of spending traffic..... whats your plan to crush the titans such as cams.com/livejasmin/videosecrets etc......or at least whats the plan to make them go to your site ?. Bottom line is simple ...a domain is one thing...turning it into a multi million dollar business is something totally different. Just my 2 cents. ![]() Ps. nice domain though 
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 You act as if you can just get a script and throw a bunch of models on live and the cash is going to come rolling in. You'll have months if not years before you hit breakeven, do you have the cash on hand to get you there? If you think you're gonna come on the scene, pay the standard 20-30% revshare, and automatically attract affiliate traffic in an already competitive market, think again. Don't get me wrong, I love the name, its easily brandable and a top ten live cam domain. However, I agree with pleasurepays, with 350k to start a live cam business I'd rather spend less than 50k on the name and put the rest into startup costs and advertising and building a successful affiliate program. 
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	got a chat sites going before. I can get 500+ hits a day from adwords, that's 700 new visitors a day, after a few months with return traffic say 1,500 hits a day, should entice a few camgirls to stick around then it's all go from there. There's a billion guys on the planet who would click on www.camgirls.com if you think it's doomed you're just a gloomy guy.  | 
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		 In my opinion, it wasn't worth 350k, maybe half that or less.  However, its my understanding the previous owner was the type that wasn't willing to negotiate and if you wanted his domain then you were going to have to pay his price.  I've always subscribed by the axiom that a domain is worth what someone is willing to pay for it.  So if anything, hopefully his purchase increased the value of my 100+ webcam domain portfolio. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
			
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		 I have said many times- the more money people from outside the adult business come into the adult business with, the worse their chances of success.  I know lots of porn millionaires who started out with nothing more than a moderately paying job in the business where they learned the ins and outs of the business and built personal relationships and grew it from there.  But every time someone who isn't hands on working in the adult business already and who buys their way into it with big plans, it always crashes and burns. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
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