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06-08-2009, 11:22 PM

Is the domain camgirls.com for sale?

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thanks for your enquiry,

not really for sale. cams.com and livejasmin.com and others
make $100 million per year profit.

I'd sell for $20 million.

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06-08-2009, 11:26 PM

offer him 10 million

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06-09-2009, 12:24 AM

He just paid 350k for it 2 months ago, but based on some his postings on multiple boards, he appears to be somewhat clueless on how to monetize it.

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06-09-2009, 02:22 AM

$100m in profit ?

BULLSHIT !

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06-09-2009, 02:23 AM

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06-09-2009, 03:23 AM

They'd be lucky to roll in $1 million profit in a year.
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06-09-2009, 03:42 AM

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They'd be lucky to roll in $1 million profit in a year.
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06-09-2009, 04:13 AM

Originally posted by lazycash

He just paid 350k for it 2 months ago, but based on some his postings on multiple boards, he appears to be somewhat clueless on how to monetize it.

Whats your personal opinion about the price he paid for it ?

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06-09-2009, 04:18 AM

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Whats your personal opinion about the price he paid for it ?

its worth it, but probably you make more with your serp picken up affcoded sponsor urls
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06-09-2009, 04:24 AM

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06-09-2009, 06:35 AM

Originally posted by oldboy

Is the domain camgirls.com for sale?

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thanks for your enquiry,

not really for sale. cams.com and livejasmin.com and others
make $100 million per year profit.

I'd sell for $20 million.

Graham

And thats why cams.com is fired staff left, right and center and buried in debt.

My only question is how did a mentally handicapped person get their hands on $350k in the first place to buy it.
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06-09-2009, 06:49 AM

That's a high price for a domain :P

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06-09-2009, 03:42 PM

I've never seen tall poppy syndrome over a domain before.

Adult Friend Finder had a public stock offering and released their profit figures,
$5 million a month for cams.com. LiveJasmin is several times bigger.

How much do you think they're making with 1000 models online charging $5 a minute?
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06-09-2009, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by cam_girls

I've never seen tall poppy syndrome over a domain before.

Adult Friend Finder had a public stock offering and released their profit figures,
$5 million a month for cams.com. LiveJasmin is several times bigger.

How much do you think they're making with 1000 models online charging $5 a minute?

why is it that you can't understand that you can do that with 123458087345.org ? you think the domain is the key part of the equation and you basically wasted 350k because you have this sort of persistent and unwavering ignorance that's kinda admirable

c'mon man. be honest. where did you get 350K. you obviously didn't work for it. where did you get it???
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06-09-2009, 04:14 PM

$350K gets you a small house these days, it's not that much money. I don't even
own a house I went for the domain instead.
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06-09-2009, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by cam_girls

I've never seen tall poppy syndrome over a domain before.

Adult Friend Finder had a public stock offering and released their profit figures,
$5 million a month for cams.com. LiveJasmin is several times bigger.

How much do you think they're making with 1000 models online charging $5 a minute?

How many leading companies can this niche support?

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06-09-2009, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by cam_girls

I've never seen tall poppy syndrome over a domain before.

Adult Friend Finder had a public stock offering and released their profit figures,
$5 million a month for cams.com. LiveJasmin is several times bigger.

How much do you think they're making with 1000 models online charging $5 a minute?

I'm not going to jump on your ass and say the domain isn't worth $350,000 because to the right person or company it is worth that in the long run. However, you are comparing the income of cams.com to your domain forwarding through a sponsor. The guy that owned cams.com busted his ass for the better part of a decade (maybe longer) and has more connections in this business than he could count. He was inside damn near every members area of every big porn site for years! He build that company from the ground up and his $5,000,000 per month is 100% irrelevant to what you are talking about. Cams.com was only purchased by that person a few years back but he PARKED HIS ENTIRE EMPIRE ON IT.

Anyhow, I sent you an email to your domain address. Respond if you'd like.

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06-09-2009, 07:06 PM

Originally posted by Pleasurepays

why is it that you can't understand that you can do that with 123458087345.org ? you think the domain is the key part of the equation and you basically wasted 350k because you have this sort of persistent and unwavering ignorance that's kinda admirable

c'mon man. be honest. where did you get 350K. you obviously didn't work for it. where did you get it???

350k is a reasonable investment here.
As long as the owner can avg about 50k a year with this name, than 350k investment was well worth it.

350k was not a steal by any means, and it was more than cams.com or webcams.com were purchased for just few years ago. Like i said if the new owner can do 50k a year or better, than it was clearly a good investment IMO. Its no where near 50k a year now, maybe 10-15k a year now so the new owner will have to put in some work and grow that traffic from current avg of around 150-200 uniques / day

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06-09-2009, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by slavdogg

350k is a reasonable investment here.
As long as the owner can avg about 50k a year with this name, than 350k investment was well worth it.

350k was not a steal by any means, and it was more than cams.com or webcams.com were purchased for just few years ago. Like i said if the new owner can do 50k a year or better, than it was clearly a good investment IMO. Its no where near 50k a year now, maybe 10-15k a year now so the new owner will have to put in some work and grow that traffic from current avg of around 150-200 uniques / day

I'm pretty sure cams.com had a $1 million sale price unless it was sold again recently.

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06-09-2009, 07:09 PM

350k is a perfectly reasonable investment for a good domain name one plans to build a brand around. Now if the new owner does nothing with it and continues as is, than $10k a year in rev will not make this a good investment.

is not how what you spend on a domain, its what you do with it.

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06-09-2009, 07:10 PM

Originally posted by Webmaster Army

I'm pretty sure cams.com had a $1 million sale price unless it was sold again recently.

no it didnt... you dont even know who were the previous 2 owners.

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06-09-2009, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by slavdogg

no it didnt... you dont even know who were the previous 2 owners.

I'm pretty sure the owner from way back was the owner of adult.com as I tried to buy cams.com in the earlier part of this decade but they never responded to emails. I was under the impression that the person running streamray bought it for $1,000,000 awhile back, I remember when they switched it over to that ugly landing page.

Anyhow, I have no way of knowing if those numbers were true, I just saw them posted somewhere long ago. I'm not stupid, they very well could have been lying to hype their own brand but I don't know them personally so I didn't ask.

I appreciate your condescending attitude though.

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06-09-2009, 07:17 PM

Originally posted by slavdogg

350k is a reasonable investment here.
As long as the owner can avg about 50k a year with this name, than 350k investment was well worth it.

350k was not a steal by any means, and it was more than cams.com or webcams.com were purchased for just few years ago. Like i said if the new owner can do 50k a year or better, than it was clearly a good investment IMO. Its no where near 50k a year now, maybe 10-15k a year now so the new owner will have to put in some work and grow that traffic from current avg of around 150-200 uniques / day

well... 350k is a decent investment for someone who understands domains, monetization or cam sites AND has the ability to build a cam site, market it well and fund it until break even. starting with nothing, no software, no understanding of cc transactions and fraud management, no traffic, no marketing tools, no models and so on is a monumental task in the year 2009.

however.. 350k just because "livejasmin makes xyz" and not knowing the first thing about anything to the business of domains or cams... is a bit absurd ;)

i might be able to buy GM for a very great price. but i think we could all agree that if i then went to a forum and asked "ok, now what" and replied to everything with "well, both Ferrari and Lamborghini had 18% - 20% growth last year" to defend the fact that I bought GM, it would warrant some harassment and name calling and ridicule. ;)

he clearly didn't work for and earn that money because he's far too naive about business in general, investment or anything else. (you may have missed his other threads) - it looks a lot like a 17yr old who got the money from his dad. or maybe someone that won 400k in an auto accident settlement or something.
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06-09-2009, 07:26 PM

Originally posted by Pleasurepays

(you may have missed his other threads) .

yup i sure did and have no interest in reading them, i get the point.
I was simply speaking from the investment and domain stand point.

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06-09-2009, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by Webmaster Army

I'm pretty sure the owner from way back was the owner of adult.com as I tried to buy cams.com in the earlier part of this decade but they never responded to emails. I was under the impression that the person running streamray bought it for $1,000,000 awhile back, I remember when they switched it over to that ugly landing page.

Anyhow, I have no way of knowing if those numbers were true, I just saw them posted somewhere long ago. I'm not stupid, they very well could have been lying to hype their own brand but I don't know them personally so I didn't ask.

I appreciate your condescending attitude though.

The time you're referencing there was a $1m transaction, but it wasnt for cams.com
i'm digging through public archives to show you some history of this name.. gimme some time

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06-09-2009, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by Pleasurepays

well... 350k is a decent investment for someone who understands domains, monetization or cam sites AND has the ability to build a cam site, market it well and fund it until break even. starting with nothing, no software, no understanding of cc transactions and fraud management, no traffic, no marketing tools, no models and so on is a monumental task in the year 2009.

however.. 350k just because "livejasmin makes xyz" and not knowing the first thing about anything to the business of domains or cams... is a bit absurd ;)

i might be able to buy GM for a very great price. but i think we could all agree that if i then went to a forum and asked "ok, now what" and replied to everything with "well, both Ferrari and Lamborghini had 18% - 20% growth last year" to defend the fact that I bought GM, it would warrant some harassment and name calling and ridicule. ;)

he clearly didn't work for and earn that money because he's far too naive about business in general, investment or anything else. (you may have missed his other threads) - it looks a lot like a 17yr old who got the money from his dad. or maybe someone that won 400k in an auto accident settlement or something.

He's claimed $100 per day just from redirecting it to another program. While this isn't just wonderful it's still $36,500 per year on a domain that should hold it's value. Not bad if you have a spare $350,000, even if you don't know shit else to do with the business.

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06-09-2009, 07:29 PM

It's on $30K per year now using pay per order, lifetime commision supposedly pays
more after a while. OK cams.com, livejasmin.com, webcams.com, imlive.com,
hotcams.com and a few other big sites all worked pretty hard. But even if I only
get 1% as big as these sites I'm gonna retire with 20 million.

What do you think of camgirlslive.com? Most of us wouldn't pay $50 for the domain
but it's alexa is 15,000, 14,000 uniques a day according to estibot, probably makes
$1M to $2M a year. It's just a white label site with no affiliates. Camgirls.com by
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06-09-2009, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by slavdogg

The time you're referencing there was a $1m transaction, but it wasnt for cams.com
i'm digging through public archives to show you some history of this name.. gimme some time

It's not a big deal, I just remember it being announced that it was for sale then sold to streamray (or owner) and I thought the million dollar figure was thrown around. Either way, good domain.

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06-09-2009, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by cam_girls

It's on $30K per year now using pay per order, lifetime commision supposedly pays
more after a while. OK cams.com, livejasmin.com, webcams.com, imlive.com,
hotcams.com and a few other big sites all worked pretty hard. But even if I only
get 1% as big as these sites I'm gonna retire with 20 million.

What do you think of camgirlslive.com? Most of us wouldn't pay $50 for the domain
but it's alexa is 15,000, 14,000 uniques a day according to estibot, probably makes
$1M to $2M a year. It's just a white label site with no affiliates. Camgirls.com by
all logic should overtake camgirlslive.com

Sorry dude, that's not a white label. That is a landing page from the same company that owns cams.com (and hundreds of other domains). Affiliates have been sending traffic to that page for years, including me.

You putting a white label up on camgirls.com and walking away is the same as me putting a white label on any other domain that gets a couple hundred hits per day. You won't retire with $20,000,000 or even $2,000,000 from it.

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06-09-2009, 07:36 PM

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06-09-2009, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by cam_girls

It's on $30K per year now using pay per order, lifetime commision supposedly pays more after a while.

if you're on pace to do 30k a year with it, than you've done ok. Congrads.
the other projections you're putting up are just stupid.

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06-09-2009, 07:52 PM

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What do you think of camgirlslive.com? Most of us wouldn't pay $50 for the domain
but it's alexa is 15,000, 14,000 uniques a day according to estibot, probably makes
$1M to $2M a year. It's just a white label site with no affiliates. Camgirls.com by
all logic should overtake camgirlslive.com

Oh I'd definatly pay $50 for it

Also, you saying that camgirls.com by all logic should "overtake" camgirlslive.com is not viable unless you work hard to make it do just that.

a alexa of 15k is usually a bit more than 14k uniques a day btw.

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06-09-2009, 07:57 PM

If you think within 10 years I can't get 100 camgirls online that's denial.

100 camgirls X 1/3 workload X $5/min X 50% profit X 60 mins X 24 hours X 365 days
= $43 million a year

Pay per minute is where it's at.
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06-09-2009, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by cam_girls

If you think within 10 years I can't get 100 camgirls online that's denial.

100 camgirls X 1/3 workload X $5/min X 50% profit X 60 mins X 24 hours X 365 days
= $43 million a year

Pay per minute is where it's at.

now you're officially an idiot.
read my previous posts ..

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06-09-2009, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by cam_girls

If you think within 10 years I can't get 100 camgirls online that's denial.

100 camgirls X 1/3 workload X $5/min X 50% profit X 60 mins X 24 hours X 365 days
= $43 million a year

Pay per minute is where it's at.

Pleasurepays, i SEE what you mean now

btw, are you still running your previous company in this space ?
If not wtf are you upto these days ?? Still happily married to a russian women ??

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06-09-2009, 08:10 PM

Point out the flaw before you get defensive. Is it getting 100 camgirls online
or the profit calculation?

100 camgirls X 1/3 workload X $5/min X 50% profit X 60 mins X 24 hours X 365 days
= $43 million a year

A dozen sites have managed to get 100s of camgirls online, so what's your objection?
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06-09-2009, 08:52 PM

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$350K gets you a small house these days, it's not that much money. I don't even
own a house I went for the domain instead.

Thats gangster dude.

I think if you had a custom white label done with one of the good programs availabe...you can just avoid all that overhead. Use the money you would save to build your brand, perhaps buy ad space on the top 100 adult websites. Buy traffic, buy hardlinks, submit galleries, make the camgirls.com logo so people remember it, have a bookmark link at the top. I have some cool cam domains myself, but don't have the budget to promote them. So I need to rely on search engines at the moment. My favorite white label program is
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06-09-2009, 08:53 PM

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Point out the flaw before you get defensive. Is it getting 100 camgirls online
or the profit calculation?

100 camgirls X 1/3 workload X $5/min X 50% profit X 60 mins X 24 hours X 365 days
= $43 million a year

A dozen sites have managed to get 100s of camgirls online, so what's your objection?

Man, you are just all mixed up. How are you going to get 100 girls online? Do you think the first girl is going to sit there for your 200 hits per day? This won't happen in a million years and even if you found someone willing to do it they still wouldn't make any money. Where in your logic does having 100 girls sit there magically generate the traffic needed to make decent money?

If this site was your retirement plan you are going to be in for some hard knock learning. It's difficult for a webmaster that knows exactly what's going on to boot up a webcam site from scratch, much less someone that doesn't have the first inkling of a clue about any of it.

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06-09-2009, 09:25 PM

Originally posted by cam_girls

Point out the flaw before you get defensive. Is it getting 100 camgirls online
or the profit calculation?

100 camgirls X 1/3 workload X $5/min X 50% profit X 60 mins X 24 hours X 365 days
= $43 million a year

A dozen sites have managed to get 100s of camgirls online, so what's your objection?

Do you really have any idea the cost to build a steady 100 camgirl site and the traffic to keep 100 cam girls working steady.....because its going to cost you a lot more than your domain did... a huge amount more in fact.

Then once you have maybe spent a fortune and got your site running and super amounts of spending traffic..... whats your plan to crush the titans such as cams.com/livejasmin/videosecrets etc......or at least whats the plan to make them go to your site ?.

Bottom line is simple ...a domain is one thing...turning it into a multi million dollar business is something totally different.

Just my 2 cents.

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06-09-2009, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by cam_girls

It's on $30K per year now using pay per order, lifetime commision supposedly pays
more after a while. OK cams.com, livejasmin.com, webcams.com, imlive.com,
hotcams.com and a few other big sites all worked pretty hard. But even if I only
get 1% as big as these sites I'm gonna retire with 20 million.

What do you think of camgirlslive.com? Most of us wouldn't pay $50 for the domain
but it's alexa is 15,000, 14,000 uniques a day according to estibot, probably makes
$1M to $2M a year. It's just a white label site with no affiliates. Camgirls.com by
all logic should overtake camgirlslive.com

Its posts like this that I've seen you make quite frequently that tell me you've got a lot to learn about the webcam business. Camgirlslive was streamray's flagship site starting in 99' up until they bought cams.com somewhere around 05. Its still part of the cams.com network and does receive affiliate traffic. Hotcams.com is simply a streamate cobrand, there's a dozen others just like it out there. Sure AWE is highly successful with livejasmin, but do you realize how much time and money it took them to achieve that?

You act as if you can just get a script and throw a bunch of models on live and the cash is going to come rolling in. You'll have months if not years before you hit breakeven, do you have the cash on hand to get you there? If you think you're gonna come on the scene, pay the standard 20-30% revshare, and automatically attract affiliate traffic in an already competitive market, think again.

Don't get me wrong, I love the name, its easily brandable and a top ten live cam domain. However, I agree with pleasurepays, with 350k to start a live cam business I'd rather spend less than 50k on the name and put the rest into startup costs and advertising and building a successful affiliate program.

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06-09-2009, 09:39 PM

chat sites are the same, they need 5,000 hits a day to retain visitors and I've
got a chat sites going before. I can get 500+ hits a day from adwords, that's 700
new visitors a day, after a few months with return traffic say 1,500 hits a day,
should entice a few camgirls to stick around then it's all go from there.

There's a billion guys on the planet who would click on www.camgirls.com if you
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06-09-2009, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by cam_girls

chat sites are the same, they need 5,000 hits a day to retain visitors and I've
got a chat sites going before. I can get 500+ hits a day from adwords, that's 700
new visitors a day, after a few months with return traffic say 1,500 hits a day,
should entice a few camgirls to stick around then it's all go from there.

There's a billion guys on the planet who would click on www.camgirls.com if you
think it's doomed you're just a gloomy guy.

Did you mange to get $4-5 a minute from those people on your chat site ??? ......and l can tell you from experience 1,500 hits is not going to get you sustaining 1 girl...sorry but its a fact.

Last edited by Domain Diva; 06-09-2009, 09:48 PM.

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06-09-2009, 09:48 PM

Originally posted by CyberClaire

Did you mange to get $4-5 a minute from those people on your chat site ??? ......

Not even that, 1,500 hits per day is hardly enough for one cam girl to stick around. This thread made me die a little inside.

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06-09-2009, 09:49 PM

absolutely fucking clueless
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06-09-2009, 09:52 PM

Originally posted by darksoul

Whats your personal opinion about the price he paid for it ?

In my opinion, it wasn't worth 350k, maybe half that or less. However, its my understanding the previous owner was the type that wasn't willing to negotiate and if you wanted his domain then you were going to have to pay his price. I've always subscribed by the axiom that a domain is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. So if anything, hopefully his purchase increased the value of my 100+ webcam domain portfolio.

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06-09-2009, 09:53 PM

Originally posted by lazycash

In my opinion, it wasn't worth 350k, maybe half that or less. However, its my understanding the previous owner was the type that wasn't willing to negotiate and if you wanted his domain then you were going to have to pay his price. I've always subscribed by the axiom that a domain is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. So if anything, hopefully his purchase increased the value of my 100+ webcam domain portfolio.

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06-09-2009, 09:54 PM

I had a big laugh here. You try to be sarcastic I hope?

Originally posted by who

They'd be lucky to roll in $1 million profit in a year.
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06-09-2009, 09:55 PM

I have said many times- the more money people from outside the adult business come into the adult business with, the worse their chances of success. I know lots of porn millionaires who started out with nothing more than a moderately paying job in the business where they learned the ins and outs of the business and built personal relationships and grew it from there. But every time someone who isn't hands on working in the adult business already and who buys their way into it with big plans, it always crashes and burns.
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