I never liked her attitude on the board.

toodamnfli > I think you can trust 90% of the designers here.. just a few bad apples.

Hi Stephan,

hey you have been doing good work for along time, no need to get down.

Sure, it's not like the old days, there is alot more competition now, but there is still lots of work for the high quality design companies.

peace

todd

errr... if the guy agreed to do the work for those 400 bucks, it's because he had no information on what was the price, or do you really think somebody who knows the real facts would make the work for a 5% of the prize? Are you mixing medications? I understand that certain times a broker is advisable, but when the broker takes his/her slice of FUCKING 95% and he/she didn't even pay that lousy 5%, then this is not somebody I'd trust as a client nor as a worker. I'm not taking parts here, but if what was posted is true, then this guy batdelfuego (which i don't know, just in case) has my support, for what it worth.

Now, let's imagine these scenario: one of these so called "brokers" (the name comes because they leave the workers broke?) win a contest and the client wants more of that quality stuff. But in the meanwhile, the designer stopped working for the broker. What will the broker deliver? Scams and lies. There's nothing else in his/her bag of tricks. Now, if you're honest and you keep the people who's really making you money happy, then you'll have big chances to succeed. And if the "almighty" broker wants more money, then he/she should start to work for real. For a change, huh?

My encounter with Voodoo designing my AVSs has been nothing short of excellent. He was patient and understanding of my suggestions because I have a tendency to change my mind often. He's a professional and completes the job on-time as scheduled. Hit him up if you're looking for a talented and honest designer.

Outlaw

Last I heard 'Internet Fraud' was punishable by jail time.

Sounds like someone needs to figure out who really is who, and start taking this seriously.

I'm still sickened that someone used someone else's design to win a $7500 competition and never even paid the designer the measly amount he was promised.

Somehow I don't think you'll ever hear from this woman again.

Between the 'Design Contest Check' and 'Brad's Site Purchase', she's fucking people for close to 15k on this board alone.

:NopeNope

I hope not. I just ordered a bunch of gallery templates.

shoplifter u get ur templates and then the guy who did them doesnt get paid, that ok with u?

Traci u are being awfully quiet do u not have anything to say about this?

All I will say is don't expect them any time soon.

This is all pretty sad, Traci's produced work for me, not in a timely manner, and with alot of apologies, but apparently she's done some things to others that she shouldnt have.

I have one thing to say .... and that is "FUCK YOU YOU FUCKING CUNT !!!

You are one of the biggest swindlers in this business ... you know it ... I know it ... half of the fucking business knows it !!!

Funny how the whole time you are at ADULT.COM that you or Todd or nobody says shit towards me ... but all the sudden you leave, and you grow balls the size of grapefruits ... too bad you don't know what to do with balls Duane !!

I have kept rather quiet through this whole ordeal .... well FUCK THAT !!! Pensfan/Nitro/Buck Naked or whatever his flavor of the week is, is as crooked as they come ... maybe we should get snow in here too .. amd go into the whole SINFULBUCKS fiasco IN DETAIL ... I am sure alot of people here would be very interested ... I think even LENSMAN would like to hear some of that story ... but you know what ?!? I am a much better person than you can ever HOPE to be Duane ... so I will not.

I guess you thought that once you were not at ADULT.COM any more, that smearing my face in the dirt would give you some kind of validation, huh ??? You just did not count on me having as much fight in me as I do .... I know what to do with big balls Duane .... you are more than welcome to take notes ...

You see I put 2 and 2 together .... the timing of you leaving ADULT.COM, and the all out attack on ME was just a little bit too coincidental ... I know that you were a driving force in it ... so I am taking this opportunity to break my silence and say FUCK YOU YOU FUCKING FUCKED UP FUCK !!!!!:mad:

And on a side note to illustrate what kind of a cocksmoker Duane is ... When I had the idea for HOTWEBMISTRESSES.COM, and saw the domain was available, Duane offered to grab it on the spot, as my CC was maxxed ... since that date, I have asked him to transfer it to me SEVERAL TIMES at my expense, and he has not ... he let it expiere, and I had to bother him several times a day to renew it because I have some paid advertisers on it ...
Again, I asked for him to transfer it to my name, but with no reply ... now when shit hit the fan on Sunday, he uses that domain as something to hold over me telling me he was going to pull it down ...

As of Tomorrow evening, the DNS should be propagated on WWW.HOTWEBMISTRESSES.NET .... so suck my cock Duane !!

I will say one thing to all of you who have never met me ... that can be easily verified by those who have ... I am not a crook, I am a straight shooter ... I speak my mind, but I do not try to be somebody or something I am not ... the way I am here, is EXACTLY the way I am in person !!! I will go out of my way to give somebody the shirt off my back if it will put them in a better spot ...

Several months ago, I was out on my ass in the street without a place to go ... without a bed to sleep in, and without a computer to aid me in earning my living ... and it was the same very people who are joining in my bashing now who helped me to get back on my feet .... that is very sad.

I am forever grateful that I was fortunate enough to have a great network of friends to help me get back onto my feet, and as my way to give back to the community, I give about 10-20 hours a week to chatting with newbies on ICQ or in these forums ... I give them the straight goods from my personal experiences ... and yes I will even tell them about the "BRIANNA" episode ... It is not something I am proud of ... but even while I was using Brianna to make contacts in the industry and learn the business model, I was very careful not to accept charity or handouts ... that is probably the reason why BOB RICE decided that I was worth giving a second chance too ... I was active in the YNOT community only back then ... and Bob could have put a stake through my heart, but he didn't ... today, Bobo and I are very good friends on ICQ, chatting 2-3 times a week sometimes, and we can have drinks at conventions and laugh at the past ...

One thing I became VERY aware of in the past several days, is who my real friends are, and who are not, and even a couple that I had thought WERE, who I am finding out are not ...

I even am finding out I have friends in people I have never met , as well as ones I havee, but have just never really talked to alot ... The amount of people behind me telling me to keep my chin up was unbelievable :thumbsup

To all of those who have proven to be real friends, I am forever grateful to you, and owe you all .... to the rest of you who would rather just jump on the bash me bandwagon, as it seemed like the popular thing to do ... FUCK YOU ALL !!!

I am not about to go crawl under a rock, just because a few imbeciles don't like me and call me names ... I have far too many GOOD people in the industry that are friends ...

I believe the only thing I have not addressed in this post is the money that I owe to a couple of my designers ... but I have spoken with those involved to make arrangements ....... I know that I am not the only one to owe anybody ... so let the people that don't owe anybody be the first to cast stones ... I owe very little, compared to some of the amounts being thrown around in the past couple of days ...

OK ... I have had my say now ... and have sprained 3 or 4 fingers in doing so ... I am off to bed ...

Later All ... and hope everybody had a great Turkey Day !!

Funny thread:)

Excellent Post!

Hungryman - Not going to say anything about the situation, but thumbs up to you for bringing up the "Brianna" incident before anyone else could. That does take some balls to admit when you have been wrong.

Back when I thought Hungry was some hot chick named Brianna and I offered some spare PC parts he refused saying he did not want people giving him charity, that he wanted to make it on his own.

Hope things get resolved in this matter one way or another...

I'm simply appalled at what i've seen over the last few weeks. People who i thought were respectable designers, being shown for what they truely are.

I think i'll stick with bhutocracy for when i need designs in the near future.

That was mentioned in a thread just a few days ago. Brought up by quite a few people actually. HM didn't bring it up first, just so you know.

OK, opened my mouth too soon. Damn, amazing how quick threads grow and how easy it is to get behind on who did what to who lol

When it comes to domain transfers, it is never the recieving registrar that is the problem. They are more than happy to accomodate new business.

It is always the losing registrar, directnic in this case, and/or the losing domain owner who will do something to slow or fuck up the transfer. Or generally be a pain in the ass.....

When it comes down to faxing signed papers to registrar's to prove ownership and to request transfer, then someone really fucked up and let things slide.

Flat out, if a domain is registered to you (or your company) and is current, it can be transferred to a new owner in a heartbeat, not a week or month.

:2 cents:

Editing to note that SNOW of Mafiabucks and me, snowone are not the same people.

Ok, interesting thread. I hear some people complaining about payments, deadlines, etc.
When I started out designing, I worked for 2 companies too. And both always seemed to be late with payments. The first one a bit more but however, after doing a few things for them I decided to give it a try and started working on my own. Now this was the best thing I ever did. No more begging for payments and stuff like that.

Only got 1 man not paying me for design sofar, as we agreed totally on the work. He is a GFY visitor too, but who cares anyway, he probably won't pay me after all.

What I am trying to say is, if you are the one who won the private gold contest, then why the hell don't you work on your own? The winning design was great and definetely the best off all. So start your own biz, I guess if people know you made the winning design finding work shouldn't be too hard.

:2 cents:

Q.

Thanks brotha:winkwink:

:waaaaahh I feel so left out

I'm going to stick with making my own shitty banners.

Holy shit, I got online when I woke up and my icq lit up like a christmas tree, all messages with links pointing to this thread, I had some real catching up to do.. I don't know where to start so I'll just say whatever comes first to my mind.
SeeSea was right, I did design CSG site mentioned above (btw fletch I've sent you a few messages a while back none answered), and a few other sites Brad mentioned.
There are 2 sides to every story, and since I (talk about luck) was somehow inside several of them, I don't know who to believe anymore.
When I got into the design biz (I was pretty bad I admit, but did learn quickly), Paul (Hungryman) was the first to offer me help and guidance. Pensfan/bucknaked was his partner (and if I connected the dots right, he had a bigger role and %, but I AM NOT SURE) back then and I started working for them (I can't really remember whether it was still Graffixalley or already paysitedesign). I did a few sites, got paid a part of the work and then they split up. As Pens was working for adult.com I continue to work with HM.
Anyway, I was owed by Pens/Duane about $3.000, which he paid in smaller parts every now and then almost in full, we're at less than 400bucks and I do believe that I will get paid. I'm only wondering WHEN, because his own "slow payer" statement does apply. It took him over a year now to send me my $2600part, but he pays.
I didn't want to reply to the big HUNGRYMAN thread by amp because I knew that (since english isn't my first language) some of the numerous gfy asskissers will wind a spot in my post where I used a wrong word to express myself and turn my whole post against Paul. HM is cool to talk to on icq, his suggestions helped me a great deal, and he paid me for EVERYTHING I made for paysitedesign.com. OK, now I'm owed an amount but it's only for the latest project so it's not a big deal, in a few days I'll get paid.
One other thing - he knows what he wants to achieve and knows to point it out, so those "he's just a fake designer" remarks do not apply. He understands web design etc, but works like a broker. On the other hand, 50% may sound like a ripoff, but you guys cannot imagine how hard it is to get work (if you charge over $250 per paysite lol) on the boards when you're not known. In my country (when I was starting out) there were no cc's (I couldn't get a domain or hosting) and simply the location field in my profile would instantly make you think "where the fuck is that?" and decide to get away. So I was happy with 500 bucks I get. I don't know how he talked with the clients (did they have the impression that he was doing the work or us, his designers), but often when I got forwarded instructions from the client, they were like "tell him to change this or that", so I guess that they knew.
Traci is a completely different story from my point of view. She was all ok while I worked, and 2 days after the payday she used western union (I'm in yugoslavia so it's either that or wire) to get me paid. I am not owed alot, a bit over 300bucks but I don't wanna let go :). Anyway, I went to the WU office and filled out the form with the info she gave me (I PRINTED it out and just filled in the form with my pen, no way I made a single mistake.). The clerk comes back after a while and shreads the form I filled into pieces.. "The transfer has been cancelled." was the explanation. I went home and catch traci on icq, she told me that it got through, and that WU in my country is keeping the money. I called the WU reps later and I was told that the money tranfer control number she gave me DOES exist, but isn't related to either mine or her name. Since then she wasn't answering either on icq or email, and I've been talking to her over pensfan.
Instead of writing it all, I'll drop some quotes from our icq history:
- - - - - - -
Pensfan - dude she already paid you, it's not her fault you fucked up when you went to pick it up...

Nemanya - WHAT??? I was told it was cancelled! try the "order status page" on wu site, I will give you the mtcn right now. whenever you or paul sent the cash it said not picked up yet or picked up by the receiver. when she sent me - screwup by me? yeah right. status page gets me a screwup message. not my fault, nooo way on blaming this on me.

Pensfan - she said when you went to pick it up that you gave them the wrong info and they held it and it could be up to 60 days...

Nemanya - #XXXXXXXXXX (mtcn) check it out with traci carson name.. wrong info my ass, I PRINTED OUT what she gave me. and when I input data by hand, I go fuckin letter-by-letter, there's absolutely no way I made a mistake.

Nemanya - By the way, one time your wife or you sent the money with "NEMANJA HANSON" (replaced receivers last name with senders) as the receiver, and they still approved the transaction. a small mistake like tracy instead of traci would have been ignored too.
- - - -
Etc..
I think that's more than enough for now, I may have missed something somewhere but I hope it sounded like I wanted it to sound :)

OMG!
I've created a monster post :Graucho
Btw Brad, I think that it's not needed for me to contact you and make a big deal out of everything, when pens pays the rest it will be fine.

maybe your right...but I with this whole fiasco going on its hard to really trust those who you havent worked with before which is a shame because variety is the spice of life..

Traci is just a big liar.
So full of shit that she should be puking shit.

She got paid by all customers she gets.
So if she tells a customer she will design the site for $1500 and the customer pays then how come she doesn't have money to pay the designer?
She is just FULL OFF SHIT.
Really it's not hard to see that she's a thief.
She gets paid so she can pay you.
If she doesn't pay she's a big time thief! Period!

I'm part Canadian too... Step off niggas.

My last bit of business in here...

I can't speak for many of these brokering companies... but I know from personal experience there are dozens of honest and exceptional designers around here. By my own experience some of these creative people are the kindest, most easy going and giving people on the boards.

Undoubtedly, many of these people have fallen prey to 'slick' salespeople trying to broker their work. I think it's awful that many designers have gone unpaid. The lesson to be learned here is obviously that people should only do work with a deposit and never release final files until they are paid in full.

I am looking forward to getting the content and I hope you realize I didn't want to buy the shit. I already own over 110,000 images and the last thing I needed was 34 more content CDs. However, since you both were incapable of producing the required licensing for the few images used in the tours I really had no choice but to spend yet another $1000 to acquire all the content.

:321GFY

Brad

http://www.opticalamplitude.com :thumbsup

A solution to all these problems,

What I suggest to any designer that doesnt get their money on outsourced jobs, is when the payment deadline is passed put the work in your portfolio

I deliver on time to people I outsource for, and I expect them to pay me . If they dont I will put the work in my portfolio ,
hey , I mean really , I am the only one who has the right to , If I am not paid .

Bat, sorry to hear that you got ripped off. This traci seems like a crazy scamming bitch. You should throw up a design site in a hurry and ca$h in on all this exposure!

HOw da hell could I forget AMP? Sorry bout' that my brotha from anotha motha!!

Man you should have seen my face the day they announced the winning design on GFY, and the same day also that I learned that the prize was 7K...

shit my pants...

Yeah i do have my site running... i did get a whole lot of new contacts from this thead, and I thank you all...

A week ago I was approached by a company who wanted to hire me fulltime and I accepted. Eventho i lost a lot of money in this LiquidbyDesign story (MAYBE I'll get some of it back... ) I learned a lot and everything should be going pretty well from now on...

so batdelfuego.... congrats on the new job.

are you really not going to take on more adult jobs like you wrote in an earlier post?

just wanted to tell ya that that gold site really rocked. Almost made me want to play for the home team. :)

First you forget AMP then you steal my line again. geeezuuuus brotha!

Good thing you leaning towards me :thumbsup

thanks vato loco *sniff* *sniff*

batdelfuego, did you get my e-mail about the design Liquid was having you do for me? (sorry, folks, for the sidebar, but I'm not sure he's checked his e-mail recently)

I have like 20 of those homies..i need to take some flickas of em

Yeah i did recieve it... and i did reply to you and removed the site from my portfolio immediately... Sorry about what it may have caused you...

I'm not really intreasted in content, but if you want me to finish it i can do it... it was almost done... I even think I still have the texts you wanted to lay in there somewhere in my mailbox...

just hit me on ICQ... #8830035...

Buck...whatever problems she was having, she never bothered considering the financial problems and personal issues she was causing the others. mmm.... not the kind of person I can respect, not that she'd care while gallavanting in DisneyLand, while others are trying to make ends meat..... she doesn't keep her word and doesn't respect the people who are actually making her living. Again this is my personal opinion and may not count much to anyone else on the board.