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Not to mention using stolen software, at those rates, who can afford 2000$+ software packages.
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just wanted to clear up, that I wasn't calling them scammers or anything, just wasn't sure about the disposition they had when talking with me, and paying dirt cheap for jobs didn't impress me much either. All they talked about for months was getting me to design these "reality paysites" that they needed right away, then never heard from them for weeks, then about a month later, same bullshit about them needing these same reality sites done right away.
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whoa! just saw this thread.
I think it's way too easy to be a design broker. If you have the power to hire designers then just start your own inhouse design firm. webinc says and claims he has 9 designers. He never takes full credit for any site. top notch work btw. I think anyone doing biz with a client should be honest. let it be known that you are broker and not the designer. and for you designers that need work. make sure you get contracts from your broker. cover your ass cause it's a jungle out there :2 cents: |
i don't think anyone has said this but that private gold site of batdelfuego's really rocks
This site design is enough to make me want to play for the home team. It's that good! |
Hi Set,
thanks for the post. Well the team at webinc.com all 9 of us, do a super duper job for our customers. From high quality design to excellent customer service. I really never ever take credit for the designs, as I don't design 1 thing, I can barely draw a smiley face :)) I am not the broker, I run the company, and do sales and marketing. My project manager and me are partners in this venture. Thanks Todd Ostrer [email protected] ------------------------------------------------- I think it's way too easy to be a design broker. If you have the power to hire designers then just start your own inhouse design firm. webinc says and claims he has 9 designers. He never takes full credit for any site. top notch work btw |
I too have had this experience -- not directly with Traci - as I knew better after dealing with her partner Pensfan/Duane/BuckNaked/Nitro or whatever nick he uses. My gut feeling is he is Traci too. Although I do not have proof.
A year ago, I made a verbal agreement with him. The MO is exactly the same as what he did to me and my partner. We were promised $500 per site, he handed out bunches of sites to be created and then forgets to pay or "As soon as the client pays". We did sites that he did not want listed in our portfolio because his clients thought he was doing the design. After we refused to do any more work for him until he paid he found other designers to do the work. I have spoken with a few. We all decided not to say anything because he had us believing his job at adult.com was so important to him, and as long as he was working there was a hope of getting paid. I have to say though, AFTER bitching at him to pay, he only owes me $850 now. So he did try to pay along the way. He still owes my partner nearly the same amount. I am fed up with it now. I should have come forward sooner, I appologize for not. Recently I received an ICQ message from Traci Daily (liquidbydesign) asking if I would be interested in outsourcing and when I asked if "she" was still affiliated with Pensfan, she said no. As I said I can't prove it, but I feel Traci and Pensfan are one and the same. If not, they sure have taught each other well. But I see it as both are crooks. I spoke with Traci on the phone a year ago when she was Traci Carson - a sales person for 1 Prospect, at that time she admitted to not knowing how to design and needed me to do something for a presentation for her. So when "she" won the contest I "knew" someone else had done it but thought it was pensfan. (Sorry Bat - great design btw!) Bat -- my partner was one of the runners up and got paid more than you did for the winning design. THAT IS A CRIME! Because of my experience with Pens and talking with the other designers that had bad experiences with him, I wanted to start a design brokerage site where designers's could get a fair shake. I put it on hold because I did not have the money to back me up. I am glad now that I did... seems now all design brokerage companies will have a bad name. New designer's beware! |
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And i also know that Pensfan/Duane/BuckNaked/Nitro whatever is affiliated with Traci/bibabi... she told me he would maybe buy the company (LiquidByDesign) and she could then pay me with that money... Pensfan/Duane/BuckNaked/Nitro is still looking for designers.. he asked me to work for him one week ago... Please does any other designer had anything to do with those guys, either Traci/bibabi or Pensfan/Duane/BuckNaked/Nitro... There is also a SlickWilly, Tracie's partner who made me believe he wiretransfered money into my account... And like SeeSee says, we are maybe dealing with a multiple personnallity disorder here... |
batdelfuego
i just saw you portfolio! daaaayuuuuum! that's top notch work. :thumbsup |
I used to do print media graphic design for ad agencies, and it was "We can't pay you because we haven't been paid by the client." I wanted to say, "Am I working for them or am I working for you? You called me and booked my time, so I'm working for you. If you are having problems collecting from them, it's not fair to make it my problem...I've discharged my duties." Unfortunately, as you web designers know, you try to hang onto whatever clients you have until they prove they don't deserve it, so I never said anything.
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Pensfan is paying but it's taking a long long time. I'd say don't do any work for them unless you get paid 100% upfront. Traci is a bigtime conartist and I have serious doubts if she really is a real person or a made up character by someone. And she/he/they should pay you 100% for the winning design that you created for the IceColdCash contest. Great job btw. |
thanx again guys... I'm flattered... :)
The money from the contest as been spent by Traci/bibabi on a DisneyWorld trip... I wont see any green anytime soon... And I'm definetly not working for them ever again... ever... Is that true you think if i never signer any papers giving the copyrights to LiquidByDesign of the designs I did for her, they are still MY sites? SeeSee I sent you an ICQ... if you didn,t get it can you add me to your list? (#8830035)... I got something to ask you... |
going to icq now.
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Oh interesting stuff... would be a perfect solution huh? Buy out the "bad girl" and straighten up the company huh? How is he going to buy it? He still owes us? And some others as I hear it. Can I ask how you got affiliated with pens? He is a great guy to talk with... I really liked the guy... but then don't all con artist's have that appeal? How else can they con you? Pens if you have not conned me, then why haven't you paid us in full after a year? |
bat,
any work you don't get paid for, belongs to you. If another company is using it, they are doing so fraudulently. The transaction between the seller and buyer was done so in fraud. You have every right to demand anyone using your unpaid designs remove it until you are paid in full. The burden lies on the buyers to deal with the company who sold them unauthorized stolen work. |
You cannot believe how Traci has been to me... She kept saying we were friends... Or that i was part of her family... showing pics of her kids and talking about her private life to me... I trusted her... so much... I believed all she said... i forgave all her late paiements of the ones she didn't give me...
Thes people play the game so well... Best actors you will ever find... thanx Brujah... this is really good to know... ;) |
This ought to be fun... I purchased all of these domains and associated site designs from Traci:
http://www.amateurnymphos.net http://www.amateur-spotlight.com http://www.bustynymphos.com http://www.christianschoolgirls.com http://www.easycollegegirls.com http://www.extremepartygirls.com http://www.face-fuckers.com http://www.guzzlingnymphos.net http://www.hardcorediary.com http://www.lipsticklovin.com http://www.schoolgirlhoneys.com http://www.shockingamateur.com http://www.twistedtoonz.com http://www.upskirtnymphos.com http://www.xxxmoviepass.net I've already had one designer approach me and say that they were not paid for the work they did by her. I have not yet launched any of these paysites yet. This was not work I contracted her to do, these were assets that I purchased after "whomever" decided they were not going to make use of these sites. If there is anyone else out there that did not get paid for any of the above design work, please let me know on ICQ. I'd like to get any more surprises out of the way, if possible. Sincerely, Brad |
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now we are talking! I did the original: face-fuckers.com hardcorediary.com lipsticklovin.com upskirtnymphos.com xxxmoviepass.net And am still owed money for them. They were redesigned again at some point and other designers did them. My partner did the sinfulbucks site and many other sites for other companies. |
I should go to bed before I get weird dreams about this
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One of my first designs I ever did:) Nothing too special You can use it if you want. I did more work and got paid a part so hard to say which sites I got paid for and which sites I didn't get paid for |
Okay, just finished the turkey, and came on to check out the board and BAM big conspiracy going on...
First off let me say that other then teen angel who i've made arrangements to pay, I have made payments to everyone, I am not a cheater, I am just a really slow payer as I said in Angel's thread... I apologize for that, what I expected to happen and what really did happen most of the time were never the same, I still make payments to them, unlike others in this business. Now as far as traci and the liquidbydesign issues, a couple of things... 1: Traci and I are not the same person, if you went to florida in august, we sat beside each other at scarletts and I bought her a lap dance... Others can vouge for that. 2: Traci is one of my best friends, who has been going through a lot of personal crap, she got overextended on a lot of work, and couldn't pay people. When I left adult.com a few weeks ago, she asked for my help to get work finished so she could get paid and Pay bat and his buddy who did work for her... In exchange for my helping her, she was going to give me 75% ownership of the business which isn't bad, saves me from starting over again right? So I took over design duties, as bat wouldn't work anymore, which I don't blame him, I knew it would get better if I could just get a handle on the work. One job was the completion of mens-network for Darren, the orders piled up and I got a little overwhelmed, and things were taking longer then I had promised with darren. I am resonsible for mens-network not being completed, as I told traci I could handle it all... As far as I know regarding The PRIVATEGOLD contest, ice cold paid all monies owed for the contest, from what she told me they still owe her money for design work completed for later projects, which she hasn't recieved. Brad(sin empire) The sites you purchased from Traci were my sites and my program and due to the circumstances I was in she acted as broker for said sites, I owe Sea Sea, SR, danevans, and Angel monies which I am paying back for those designs, the domains are mine which have been transferred to you as well... AS far as Bat and the money owed to him, he will be paid by traci, and since he will be paid, all designs are the property of Liquid or the clients they were completed for, because no matter what she will still owe him the money, and I know in my heart that she's not going to not pay him... Amateurcamscash is not owned by traci, I personally have a minor stake in it and asked her to spam it on her icq to drum up business... Darren if you still want me to complete the mens-network site let me know, I have a sample of it to show you so that is up to you... That's about it... To anyone I owe money to, I am making arrangements, that's the best I can do right now other than sincerely apologize... Thanks... |
I haven't had time to read all this yet, but batdelfuego is just finishing up a design for one of my sites, too.
He does great work. |
Ok so you say you are going to pay. With all the designs that lbd is getting you should now have some money for payments.
Is very interesting that you and traci play the game that you don't know each other..... anything to drum up business huh? http://the*****************.com/ubb/read.php?TID=824 I trust you still have my paypal address and will see a payment before christmas. |
PrivateGold site rocks.....
dude....im going to be studying your skillz. Good luck. |
Bucknaked, aren't you the guy who was just accusing Hungryman of doing this exact same thing like three days ago?
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nope, what I was accusing him of was taking advantage of everything I did to help him and fucking me over and slapping my generosity in the face at every turn...
I have never claimed that I didn't owe people money, I do what I can to make the payments to the people I owe... |
As far as I can see, bat never said he didn't get paid for PrivateGold design. He said he's still owed about $6,000 for work.
Who owes Bat $6k ? Will he get paid ? When ? If he did $6k worth of design work, why didn't he get paid ? If you take $7500 and -$400 cost, you have $7100 left just for that one job. That looks like more than $6k to me. So there's an extra $1100 for a single job, and however much all that other work brought in. Times are tough. I don't know how you brokers make ends meet. |
Hey Guys, haven't posted forever and hardly at all to boot but take this newby(to the board)seriously.
First of Pensfan..stop covering your ass your full of it in the above posts because you never payed me. So go ahead and make up some bullshit story like you did to cover your ass now. I just read most of the posts here in regards to the people who run LBD and have worked for them. Well guess what, I'm another designer who got fucked in the deal. These were the first people I gave a shot with after leaving as one of Lensman's leading designers for almost three years. I knew that liquid by design was new and apparently was just swamped with clients. I tried it out. Things were going fine until it was payday. I worked for them for 5 fucking weeks and didn't get shit. They owed me $ 1000 's. Broken promises from traci and pensfan. Constantly hearing the bullshit below.... "we will wire you money tomorrow" (4 days in a row)which eventually led to "went on a holiday" which was followed by, "our clients aren't paying, nobody has the money" bullshit i said to myself. I waited a couple of more days and started asking questions about my money and put my foot down. I said,"I will not do anymore work until you guys pay me sorry". Pensfan said he understood my position. Then I was thinking, these fucking assholes were on holidays doing what ? Spending mine and apparently other designers money from the posts I previously read. This is just unbelievable. Kinda made sence to me why Traci didn't want to come and meet me when she was in town where I live, she came to see Pensfan. She didn't want to meet the guy she was gonna rip off face to face I suppose. I found this weird because these boneheads offered me a job fulltime with a set salary but she didn't want to meet me. These people are a bunch of total losers who compulsively lied there way out of everything with me. IT's funny, while the money thing was going on regarding my pay, they wouldn't respond to ICQ's or any other method but were right on target when giving me more work and asking about projects being completed and so on. I was just trying to get of my feet again and gave these people the benifit of the doubt and tried to see it from there point of view as not getting payed. I shorty after realized that they were feeding me bullshit. I know I sound like an asshole myself and you folks are probably like who the fuck is this guy, but try to understand my frustration with getting ripped off. I am just trying to make an honest. I know the other guys here who have dealt with this completely understand me and trust me, I feel for you..all of you. |
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now THATS funny as shit...an admitted spammer...I like it...hahahah |
Chirst I feel bad for all of you who got ripped. I almost got sucked into this as well, but it didn't feel right and I declined.
Thank god I did. |
Bat was on salary, and his payroll wasn't made last month because of money issues within the company which is why I came on to get things caught up so she could pay him
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I'll still be waiting for that money... i still have faith in what Buck says... I wont go to Liquids clients and ask them to pay me... But when you hire someone to work for you, and that person work hard and does more than you asked for, dont let him dont, or worst, lie to him... that wont take you anywhere... God I wish I was perfectly bilingual... I got so much to say... |
No offense to anyone - but quite frankly - when someone pays you for work that you have to pay someone else for - why not pay the person immediately and take your share and bank it? You people kill me how you play Rockefeller's with other people's sweat and hard work.
Don't you think they have families or lives to maintain? You're off gallavanting with other peoples money while they're worrying about paying their bills? F*ckers.....really..... Actually, anyone getting work done from a broker should get contracts with the designer - speak with the designer - and only make the final payment when the designer has confirmed he's gotten paid for his work. :2 cents: |
I think design contests should ONLY be won by the people that make the design.
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BuckNaked......
No offense there, but if the work is completed and she got paid, she should have paid the guy that sweat to earn his buck before she went off into hiding. :2 cents: |
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