can't the clients force the money back from liquid? i think with credid card thats possible. they could send it to batdelfuego then... just a thought

bloody good idea but most would have paid with paypal or wire

well, even if only one client paid with credid card... money is money. and when you tell them that their design is illegal they will do whatever it takes to make it up - and yes, it is illegal.

batdelfuego said he had no contract, that means that he cant get back hsi money, but that also means liquid by design has NO RIGHT on the designs... think about it.

damn its credit card.. the second time now LOL

That sucks.

Darren orders plenty of design from plenty of designers.

It sucks he's getting fucked by some chick that was literally bragging like the work was hers. Should we start digging quotes from her on the board?

It obviously sucks as well for the designers.

I could have sworn she said SHE did the design that won.

:smokin

well she went around gfy bragging about it.

I know.

There is nothing lower than bowing for someone elses acting.

She took compliments as well.

That is loooow.

:smokin

I hate dishonesty. A lot.

fletch... i wrote you two messages on icq.. are you ignoring me? :321GFY

I bet she doesnt even have the guts to come on gfy because she knows she doesnt have a leg to stand on.

Thanx a lot for all the support guys...

I just want to tell all that I'm starting a new fulltime job here in Montreal on monday and wont be taking any adult design orders... I had to look for work since I was waiting for money that never came...

I wont go out asking for designs like Pornturbo to be taken out because I havent been paid... I'm not like that.. I hate to piss people of... just writing this here on GFY took a lot of tact... I hate starting rumbles...


thanx a lot for the offers that came in today tho...

What the fuck?

Its 10 am, I just woke up and its Thanksgiving.

I dont even havfe icq on.

Damn you guys are weird.

Can I brush my teeth first?

:smokin

i'll forgive you :rasta

As an art director/designer with considerable in-house industry experience that has recently gone freelance, trying hard to establish solid loyal professional relationships, I find the situation that's been exposed in this thread and others here lately to be totally disheartening. I, like many other qualified designers who post here, am working day and night, bending over backwards to land jobs and gain some trust and respect in a marketplace now seemingly full of scammers and unprofessional low-balling hacks. I personally have experienced my fair share of cons and empty promises, but thakfully have never fallen victim to those that are determined to be unethical, with the exception of wasting a considerable amount of time trying to weed through the bullshit and establish who is credible and who is not. I don't have any answers, but felt compelled to add my voice to the dialogue in the hopes that together the good folks here can rise while the scum will eventually sink.

"Can't wait to spend the 7500.00 I think I am going to take my kids to Disney Land (LOL) "

this is unbelievable.

"Can't wait to spend the 7500.00 I think I am going to take my kids to Disney Land (LOL) "

:BangBang:

Fucking weeeell put.

:smokin

Seriously.

Can we not dig up her 'check acceptance' speech too?

I recall a different post claiming to have gotten the check etc...

:smokin

thanks Fletch - I'm just so fucking tired of the bullshit

I hope you're not quitting designs altogether. It's extremely well paid work if you are qualified (and you definitely are). You've had a real bad experience, true, but ít's cuz of a stupid broker. Start for yourself and you will make bank my friend. I wish you the best of luck :thumbsup

TRACI SAYDS PRIVATEGOLD DIDNT PAY:


Darren 08/11/20 21:35 just wanted to know did u win the PrivateGold
contest and did u get paid thats all, alot of
fakes competitions going around

Darren 08/11/20 21:37 ?

Liquid 08/11/20 21:38 Well they suck =)~ alright.... let me get stuff
worked with designer and get your shit done

Darren 08/11/20 21:38 ok but u didnt answer my question did PrivateGold
pay u? I have heard a story they didnt pay
someone else, did they pay u?

Liquid 08/11/20 21:38 part of it

Darren 08/11/20 21:39 how much

Liquid 08/11/20 21:40 I don't think I need to tell you that. That is
between me and them

Darren 08/11/20 21:41 and the person who designed the site maybe? ummm.

Liquid 08/11/20 21:41 huh?

Liquid 08/11/20 22:18 PrivateGold paid everything, it just came to my
attention that a design company told their
designer that PrivateGold didnt pay so they could
pocket the money and not give it the designer.
------ Can I ask you why you posted this?

Darren 08/11/20 22:19 because I spoke to Zebra and thought thread was
misleading so needed to explain it. didnt mention
any names. nothing to do with u.

Liquid 08/11/20 22:20 no shit. I taked to XXX Paysite design a few
months back and they hadn't been paid. That is
all I know.


Darren 08/11/20 22:21 paid by who

Liquid 08/11/20 22:21 Ice Cold contest. That is all I knew about not
paid on the contest, other then the scewups with
us.

Darren 08/11/20 22:22 thats ok then. why did u think it concerned u?

Liquid 08/11/20 22:24 Because I am having billing/payment issues with
them

Darren 08/11/20 22:24 are u right?

Well i spoke to Zebra.

Liquid 08/11/20 22:24 and Chad said what?

Darren 08/11/20 22:25 lets just get my sites done.

Liquid 08/11/20 22:28 alright. fine. You want information but you
don't share info =) It is cool. I talked to
David and he is going to finish those for you.

Darren 08/11/20 22:28 u know what chad would have said.

Darren 08/11/20 22:28 thankyou.

Liquid 08/11/20 22:29 Chad would have said all designers got paid in
full for all work they have ever done for us

Darren 08/11/20 22:32 u got paid by check.

Liquid 08/11/20 22:36 no I got paid by bank wire and finally 1 check a
few days ago and they still owe me money. My
question to you is what made you think you had
that right to do that? My designers and my
company are my business.... Any problems I am
having have to do with us, concidering the
designer never actually stopped your projects for
non payroll payments. I am not sure what he told
you but he never told me anything about not
working because of lack of payment to him. I was
behind yep, but there were a lot of other factors
then them

Darren 08/11/20 22:39 well when a designer tells me they cant do
project unless they get paid it becomes my
bizness. I posted on GFY for info and didnt
mention any info etc, i could have said
everything.

Basically i am just highly annoyed at the time
this project is taken.

so ur designer gets the 7.5k then?

Darren 08/11/20 22:42 look i mentioned no names, no harm is done, lets
just do my projects and get shit sorted.

Liquid 08/11/20 22:43 alright. I just am freaked. the designer got
paid a fee and bonus and thats it. Techically he
has been paid, I am behind in other things with
him he worked on a payroll

Darren 08/11/20 22:45 well, u must admit the way I have been treated is
diabolical. I have 200 + affililiates i have to
explain to daily why projects are late.

Liquid 08/11/20 22:45 i no, i would be pissed

Darren 08/11/20 22:46 well i am totally. u accepted the extra work. I
have deadlines to meet and i am losing money and
affiliates every day.

Liquid 08/11/20 22:48 i know i fucked up

I know me too.

Some people here dont seem to mind this type of shit though.

It amazes me.

Its almost like if you steal someones content, 'you going down' but designers get ripped like this everyday by these 'Design Brokers' with no talent, they might not blatantly take credit, but when asked to 'show their work' post the good shit from their best designer on staff and its noted as 'their work'.

Its always someone just trying to please their new contact that gets fucked. I can understand someone being eager on a new project, and especially new designer - I know I was eager as hell on some of my first big jobs etc... so these business crooks come in with financial backing and the talk and get the best of the naive designer and their talent.

Its always a case of the person with no talent raping the one WITH talent.

This goes for ANY kind of creativity though, musicians, etc...

Bat,

Sorry to hear about your troubles. She should of taken care of you and the other ppl working for her.

We have 9 ppl at webinc.com on our team, and they are family here.


happy thanksgiving all

Todd

After hearing the designers point of views though, I can see how a design broker is necessary. These designers know how to design, but they don't know how to get the design work and negotiate for payments, etc. They're happy to get whatever kind of regular work they can. A broker at least helps them eat, pay bills, etc.. until they figure out how to do it on their own.

Yep... I suck at dealing my designs... And i know it... i didn't know the adult world too much either... I've learned a lot...

i'm not even thinking about htis money anymore... it's been missing for so long... and this thread just makes me feel sooooo much better now...

or until they stop getting paid and come here to post about it :1orglaugh

good point though... I actually had a design business (interior design not internet stuff) when I was 20 years old. I had a demand for a certain product but was too scared and nervous to talk to the buyer myself, so I used a sales rep with more experience. She made a huge chunk of money off my work, and in the end ripped me off for a bunch of samples. Fucking bitch.

But I learned my lesson. And shortly after found the ability to do my own rep work.

Hey Batdelfuego....adult biz is a tough one! Ain't it? :)

Hope things work out well for you in the future :winkwink:

I really hope people start to realize that being greedy will only leave you fucked in the end.

Its one thing to make a profit from someone elses creative works because you are offering a service the designer who might not be capable of doing it themselves, but another thing entirely to push the limit and take advantage of them by price gauging and flakiness in general. And running them around with payment and dicking them over on their cut of the job $.

From my experience aside from graphic design, sales reps take no more than 15% of the total amount, or a 30% markup from the wholesale price. I have seen design reps doubling a designers work, or more. This is not cool at all. Unless you're running a fucking retail store in a goddamn mall, nobody has that much overhead for pimping out design work. Its insane.

I'm not calling them scammers or anything, because I don't know, however, I was going to do work for them which they would resell or whatever, I can tell you they wanted to pay me dirt cheap, like $5 per banners, which they would turn around and sell for $25-30 or whatever. I did a few banners and said I would do the work, but just said fuck it. They have been telling me they could load me up with work for months only to not talk to me for a few weeks, and then tease me again, saying they will bring work to me. Finally they did, then wanted me to work for shitty immigrant prices.



:BangBang:

Brujah,

With all due respect, I completely disagree and think that such a generalization is not only demeaning but dangerous - perhaps some designers "need" a broker but those that are serious professionals fully understand that this is a business like any other. Although some of the non-creative aspects of the business may not be the most enjoyable, they are absolutely imperative if one is serious and wishes to succeed.

In fact, my experience has been the opposite of what you state - being a professional that will not be taken advantage of, one who negotiates for terms that are appropriate often causes those seeking a designer to head for the hills. Seems that many have grown accustomed to exploiting naive or excessively hungry designers who are willing to give away their work for nothing.

Judging by many comments on this board over the past several months (and my ongoing experiences), there is clearly a prevalent lack of respect for designers and their craft - in part perpetuated by designers themselves, in part fueled by the unchecked ignorance of those seeking designers. I suppose it's true that ignorance is bliss.

In any case, it is a sad situation for all those trying to do honest work with integrity for just and honest compensation and mutual respect.

Designympho, but where else can they turn when they don't have the first clue and need to make some money ? A design broker can help them out in a situation like that. That doesn't mean that the broker needs to pay something like $5 for a banner while they charge the client $25, or pay a designer $400 for a design that earned them $7500. Thats being a bit too greedy perhaps and designers will eventually figure that out and either go solo or work for a broker who will pay them better. Some people have connections and sources and can get all the clients they want, while other talented designers can't. Maybe they're all not as knowledgable, confident or resourceful as you are.

i agree

Point well taken. My impression was that you were making a statement about all designers and perpertuating a stereotype about artists not being able to handle business matters. Now I understand that was not your point - thanks for clarifying.

Certainly a broker or agent may be useful to some - especially those just starting out. I am not suggesting that no one should entertain such a relationship. Needless to say, some of these issues are unavoidable in a free market. It's just frustrating to hear about and experience so many negative situations in this industry lately.

As I said, I'm not claiming to have the answers, just felt a responsibility to lend my voice for whatever it's worth.

dont get caught man... I got the same bullshit... Yeah I got paid a few times... but I had to tell them almost everytime... I did so much freebies in the begining... They told me they would make me rich!! Well I guess she relly went to Disney World with my money instead of making business in california like she told me...

Thats fucking BS.

I KNOW Private Gold Pays.

Their Parent company advertises on Alt Masters and have for almost the last year.
They are constantly asking me to send them invoices, even thou..they are paid up several months.

Too many designers out there getting fucked.
Todd gets his portfolio ripped off.
Too many fucking scammers looking for a quick buck.
Low balling designers that do shit work.

I, myself quit doing custom design work for people.
I now only do stuff for N3Tpond, Alt Masters when they need something and for a few old customers.

People have NO idea the shit we have to put up with from customers.

I done work for Darren a while back on the penis Enlargment site and he was very plesant to work with.

Liquid needs to be ran outta biz.
I wander if they are owned by Lovematch?...lmaoooooooooo

Try us..

We make Adult sites for years, and we're cheap.

dead cheap.

100$ for a CJ site

200$ for a Paysite

15$ /hour for logo's/flash/php/javascript/

Do it the easy way!

Overseas design.... and hosting...

Hosting:

60$ month, for 800MB 100GIG / month.

nice spam bitch :ak47:

I bought some design work from liquidbydesign a couple of times, and they were SLOW AS SHIT getting my stuff done.

I even asked ahead of time, "How backed up are you? How long will it take you to turn around this order?" And Traci said, oh we've got time, we can get it done quick.

After about the 3rd email/ICQ message I sent a week later when I was still waiting for my stuff that was only supposed to take 48 hours, she told me they were "working on it" and I got it the next day.

I later found out that they were outsourcing the work to another designer who's published prices were 30% cheaper than liquid's. They would send this designer the order and say "This was supposed to be done last week, do it quick"

That designer would then crank out the design in 24 hours and liquid would pocket the difference between their price and the price of the person who did the work.

Anyhoo, since then I found out who they were outsourcing the work to, and I just go straight to that designer. I get the same designs, much quicker, and a good bit cheaper.

Just an FYI, Traci sent out an ICQ spam last week
http://www.amateurcamslive.com/
http://www.amateurcamscash.com/

Check out our the new addition to Savage Entertainment. Converting 1:225
If you have lots of traffic give me a yell and we can see what we can do about a higher conversion rate for you

So I'm guessing that's their program. (Maybe that's where all the designer's money went to?)