Come on bro....your full of shit !!!

You offered me a fulltime position for starting out at $50,000 a year. You know that for a fact. Don't call me a joke, I'm posting nothing but the truth. $50,000 divided by 12 is not $3200 Mr.math, it like $4166.666...to be exact, and you never payed me either..someone else did to cover your tab. And then you told me that you were gonna pay him back because you couldn't deal with the fact that someone else picked up your tab. I talked to that person and you never payed them so fuck you dick for lying to my face. You are a liar, and if you and you partner are so different then wake up boy cause you look like she does. You lied to my face and you NEVER tried to deal with it. I kept it quit because I didn't want to start shit, but read above dude. Rumors are rumors sure but they are derived from somewhere. And when a couple different people start compalining about the same thing...guess what..it probably means something. So explain that...fess up to your fuckups dude...you could have even said something to me through it all, "like sorry about all this shit riley, did you ? no you didn't care". Talk shit all you want, the people here can use there judgement. And the people here who know me believe me. You know I am a decent guy and I like designing alot and you like my workl so you say so you wouldn't have tried to hire me fulltime. Well that didn't happen because you din't pay me and lied about so I quit your fucking ass. Not gonna call you names but face it, you need to learn to comunicate with people so they don't missunderstand everything like your trying to convince everyone here of. What was the purpose of my post ? Simple, don't get these people to do your work because the hard working guys/gals designing the shit are left in the gutter while your travelling and golfing or whatever the fuck you do when your so busy and overloaded with work. This tread is fucking stupid but I'm glad I got this shit in the open for anyone else considering.

ok..so which designers should we trust?? Im leanin toward TGF,STWOF,and Fletch....anyone else?

Definitely add WebInc.com to the list.

nice portfolio..so who shall be the GFY snoop to see if designers are outsourcing and wont get the design done on time?

I'm just fucking embarrassed that I purchased website domains and associated designs in good faith with REAL money and now I'm learning that on more than half of the work the designers were never paid.

I have NEVER, EVER fucked anybody. Despite falling on hard times here and there throughout the last few years there has never been an obligation or promise that I've broken. It sickens me that you collected from clients and ran with the money to pay your own bills instead of your employees.

It fucking pisses me off that I purchased all of those designs BEFORE the August show and never had the content licenses transferred to me. Finally, just last week, to get this over with I said I'd buy all of the fucking content you guys owned so that I could put an end to this and not have to wait for you people to do the paperwork on the individual images used in the tours.

There is no good faith anymore.

I even paid by PayPal last week with instructions for the 34 content CDs to be overnighted - I don't have them yet. I even gave my own god damned FedEx account number for billing. It's wrong that I have to sit here and wonder if they're even on their way or if you even own them.

If there is any of that content that is unlicensed, so help me god I'll bury both of you.

Lastly, with much sympathy to Traci and her personal problems... who fucking cares. Lying is lying, cheating is cheating.

I'm such a nice fucking guy I ultimately let it slide when I *ALSO* purchased 100 banners at the "introductory special" from liquid by design and they looked like complete dog shit. I saw nicer banners back in 1999. To be fair, Traci did offer to redo them. It's her good fortune that I'm so busy running a few different companies that I blew it off. After all, it DOES take time to delegate the creation of 100 banners on 25 different sites.

Do I even BOTHER ranting about the three months it took to get all of the 16 domains transferred to me? Bloody Hell.

This is my rant and it's justified. I don't know how you two blew all that fucking money but I've paid at least $7000-$8000. Perhaps I shouldn't have aired this all here... but you know what, people need to know this is how you both do business. Shame on you, I can't wait until I receive the content and verify that the licensing is proper so I can PUT THIS AWFUL EXPERIENCE BEHIND ME.

:321GFY

Brad

Oh yeah, and I was obviously a fucking moron for not spending the extra $100 and going to Webinc for 100 banners.

Brad

Nice site designs! You'll make a shit load of money with your talent and skills!! You've probably got a ton of new clients off this thread so look at the loss as an advertising expense. :)

I see a very simple solution to this for the designers.

Buy the $49 per year subscription for 99 copyright marks from Digimarc and use it to mark your copyright in the images used on a site when doing spec work, contract work, etc.

For Spec work, use a mark that points to a page on your site that says that you have done the work on spec and have not been paid. The original unmarked PSD's will not be released until full compenstation is recieved.

For contract work that you have recieved a deposit on, use another mark, point it to a different page and state the obvious. You have recieved a deposit payment for the work and will release the original unmarked PSD's when full compenstation is recieved.

If you have recieved full payment, truly trust the other party, or like working at Burger King to pay the bills while waiting for payment then don't mark your work. Or use another Mark and point it to another page stating the copyright for the work is owned by a third party and they will release the unmarked PSD's when they recieve payment.

If you are purchaser of designs, you should be looking for these digimarc marks in images. It'll let you know who really owns the work and if there isn't a mark that there could be cloud over the ownership of the design.

Of course this would put the unscrupulous design broker's nuts or clit in a vice. But it does a good job of removing copyright ownership problems from the plate of designers and design buyers.

;)

people are talking on this thread like 'outsourcing' is some sort of crime. it isn't.

There are a lot of reasons why a designer just might want to do contract work. The least of these reasons is that in theory it should allow him to concentrate on his art rather than the nitty gritty of running a business and getting the jobs in the first place.

There are a lot of reason why a customer might go with a company rather than an individual designer. That way he's banking on the reputation of the company and not on the temperment/reliability of a single person. And a customer might rely on the company to do have the talent either in house or through contract to get the job done on time and on budget.


What IS wrong is when an employer - any employer - does not meet payroll(either salaried or contract workers). PERIOD.

It is also a good idea to vent these problems here and on other boards if all attempts to settle in private in failed.

The industry - both consumers and producers - deserve to know if a company is not living up to its moral and legal obligations.

damn Brad sorry to hear about all that shit

those guys really fucked up , everyone seems to be getting exposed, and the plot keeps thickening ahah

anyways brad

contact me on icq 58663839

you know the kid that did hte sinempire.com intro

well hes a buddy of mine ,if u ever need anything he'll be able to do some stuff

peace

Brujah,

thanks for the comments.


As I tell alot of potential customers out there, there are hundreds if not thousands of designers out there in the adult biz, but If you want quality, excellent customer service at a great price, come check us out. I would say on the whole adult net, only about 5 of us pump out the high quality work, not trying to be stuck up here, as I don't design anything, but our team rocks. I think our design and banner portfolio can speak for itself.
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Sin, Brad. hey bro

we have over 12,000 banner samples online, please check us out.

We have 2 guys who only do banners and 1/2 - full page ads, they are experts.

GFY Brad, 100 Animated Banners, $699.00

Thanks

Todd Ostrer
[email protected]

Brad,

I meant GFY Special:))))

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GFY Brad, 100 Animated Banners, $699.00

justin at www.xxxdesign.co.uk just finished some work for me and he's a stand up guy... all the above seem trustworthy too....

brad i don't want to quote your long post but who exactly are you talking about re domains/content etc.

did i miss something in the translation?

I know WebInc does excellent work... lots of my friends have used you guys and your great work and positive reputation preceeds you. I am guilty of bad judgement, I guess.

I do want to say, for the record, that I will set aside some funds for any designers that come to me possessing the original PSD's for any of my site designs. I never got them with my purchase and they would be nice to have.

I'm not sure what I can do for you but I'd like to be part of a positive solution instead of associated with the 'problem'.

Brad

Oh so you are saying Pensfan has poor judgement when he accepted the designs? Not to mention your own poor judgement for signing up to that program with those awful quality designs?

Dude we all have a beginning... you can not prey on established designers so you "put new designer's under your wing", make them feel good about getting paid so little to work hard for you. It is all in the game.

Mrvegas, just how long would you continue to promote for a sponsor if they did not pay? How long would you wait before you went public? I have not attempted to "ruin" anyone. The facts speak for themselves. I just stated my side of the facts.

And... why did you edit then delete the original post here?

Brad,

thanks for the comments. Look for our new portfolio update before xmas. We haven't updated since July, been so damm busy, but we will be adding a few hundred more sites, and thousands of banners / ads.

Btw, it is standard policy at webinc.com, that every customer get's his or her PSD's as soon as the project is completed.

In the past other companies didn't like to give these out for obvious reasons, but we will that once a project is done, paid for. Those psd's are the webmasters property.


Thanks

Todd

Holy Shit.

I just got back from Thanksgiving Dinner, stuffed - hope you all are as plump hehehe .

Nonetheless, this has made quite a tremendous turn.

I must read it all.

I cannot believe its gotten this deep.

Sounds like a lot of people are involved, geez.

I can defintiely vouch for Brad taking care of his designers, Kimmykim hired me quite a few times, and hell usually I was paid before the job was done!

Sucks Sin was hit by such a crooked deal.

Nonetheless, let me read the rest.

TDF - you know you the man dawg.

:smokin

Wait, hold on.

I recognize the design for Christian Schoolgirls, because I actually like it. :Graucho

But this is where I found it.

http://www.paysitedesign.com/CSG/

Who designed this?

Yeah, who designed it and who owns paysitedesign?

Brad

Hungryman

Nemanya
ICQ#35291012
I think

Then again, nobody ever seems to reply to my posts so I'll try this again - but what I'm really getting at is this:

How the hell do you manage to run a business if you are blowing all the money that belongs in great part to the people who are basically - the essence of your business?

If you are in financial trouble, how many times does financial hardship come upon you before people figure out that you may not be a person that knows how to run a tight ship and meets his payments - RESPONSABLY?

I don't know......maybe I'm favoring the underdog here, but I'm just seeing the (correction) hard work of people not getting the recognition it deserves and to stick it deeper in the backside, they aren't getting paid!


Oh.....and mrvegas, I think some of us make sure our own money covers the bills before we go on a shopping spree. Quite frankly, if I don't have the cash to pay someone, I don't make a deal for any work to be done - I have to have it prior to contracting someone to do my work. That's just the way I was taught to do things by my parents and brought those habits into the business world.


:2 cents:

I think thats the short-term model. Get in, grab the money. When caught, get out, change names, repeat.

Trixxxia - the reason nobody is answering your question is that... none of those people must be up still. <lol>

Brad

I agree with ya Trixxxia!

I do not understand how someone can hire another, and then not fucking pay them. What about their fucking livelihood???

Some people expect to get paid for their work, so they can pay their bills and fucking live. I think people should go to jail for a crime like this. I know in the real fucking world an employer pays their employee or gets in a lot of trouble. And last I checked the internet qualifies as the real world.

Wake the fuck up people. You cannot run.

Alright, now it's getting crazy!

Fletch, christianschoolgirls was designed for me by danevans/Nemanja, a pretty decent designer, still owe him a little money but making payments to him as well...

He gave hungryman that site as well as a few others he did which were sold to brad in there to put in his portfolio...

as far as ownership of the psd's and the rights to the designs, those are yours Brad, you paid for the sites, got the domains, as well as the content is on the way.

There was some confusion about the domain transfers, what should have been done was do a paper transfer through directnic after we realized that your domain company and directnic were being difficult, sorry for the inconvenience on that one...


I want to thank Sea Sea, SR, Angel, And Nemanja for working with me on the payments for these projects for so long...

Bat, I know traci will make this right with you, I know she will...

Brad if you would like to hit me up on icq, let me know...

Go ahead punk, make my day!

Shock and stun me with URLs of a few of your completed $200 paysites.....

Wow me with comments from happy clients ( and their email addresses )

Thrill me with your amazing command of the english language and your ability to write decent copy.



:winkwink:

How the fuck do you just "give" someone a design for their portfolio???

don't ask me, ask Him...

and trixxia, sorry, I was trying to post to the other messages...

As far as I can tell between personal issues and some payment delays she ended up robbing peter to pay paul over and over so to speak, and then when she had a REALLY slow period which always happens, it all blew up and went into a downward spiral, Like I said, I have been trying to help her cuz she's a damn good friend who just got waaaay behind and panicked I guess...

cause fuck, if anyone wants to donate some site designs to me, I'll throw up a site and start accepting orders asap.

:winkwink:

:1orglaugh

They should make a TV series of this design-drama @ GFY

I'm thinking you could make a paysite out of it.

I'm sure the Soap channel would be interested in the scripts too.

Seriously, I hope all the designers who are owed get their money and it all works out.

some people just don't understand basic money/cashflow management. damn.

all your money belong to me

Wow what at month at GFY for Drama...

It seems that there is alot more design companies now then there was in 1998 when I first got started with Supercharged.

We have to do more for less and we are 10 times better then we were in 1998. This I think is good for everyone. Clearly there is some marketing geniuses out there cause in spite of doing great designs for 5 years now we aren't overbooked.

I don't think we have ever had any unhappy customers, we have been days late on some things, but never weeks or months. If its broken we fix it. Its not done till the customer is happy. We usually take payment when the job is done or 50% down on big orders.

With over 500 designs under our belts for the likes of Voice Media, Gamme, Hawg, HELMY, Shaw, Adult, Lace, Matrix, Platinum Bucks, Sex Entertain, Holio, and tonnes more I don't think we have ever had an unhappy customer.

I need to go to Douglas College and get a refund on my Marketing courses, cause I sure suck at it.

OK, just to clear the air a little on some things since my name was mentioned.

Traci Carson received a wire for $7500 for the winning PrivateGold design on August 29. It would have been a few days earlier but there was some miscommunication on both parties parts regarding the wire info. The contest ended August 20th and every day after that I heard from her multiple times asking when payment would be arriving. The checks for the others winners had already gone out. I personally sent them and if anyone did NOT receive them they never contacted me. I am pretty sure they all cleared.

The week that Traci recieved the wire for $7500 (which she told me she was going to spend at DisneyWorld) she also accepted work for more sites that we needed designed. The first site was a live cam site. The design was never quite right and we had to go back and forth on it for several days. Then one day she quit answering messages and phone calls and we did not here for her for 4 days. The site was a priority so we hired another designer who did it in one day and nailed it on the first try and included alternate designs at no cost. We prepaid them thru paypal so there was no problem. Traci got back several days later and got with me online and said that her grandmother had died and she had to leave in a hurry and had been with family all week and wanted to make things up with us. We decided that we could use more than one design for the live cam site and asked her to make a few more changes to get it right. Some changes were made but it never was right. Things didn't line up right, there were typos and weird phrases on the page (like it was done by someone with bad English skills).

During this time we also contracted with her to do a paysite. The paysite took several days longer than we were told but it came out really damn well so we did not mind.

Traci was paid for the paysite plus some console FPA's she had done for us. Because of the delays she offered to do the next paysite for free. Instead of taking one for free we said we did not want to pay for the live cam design since we were not happy with it and we had to get another design while she was MIA. She said that was OK because she wanted to use the design on another live cam site. As far as I was concerned things between us were settled and she even asked for more work which I declined.

I feel sorry for the designers involved that did not get paid. She DID mention that she had others helping her but it sounded to me that she was doing much of the work herself.
I DID meet her in person at the Internext show in Hollywood in August. She was really cocky and rubbed me wrong but I liked the designs I saw and decided to overlook her attitude. When I met her at the show she said I should just cancel the contest and pay her the $ because she was going to win because she was the best there was. Not that someone ELSE would be doing the work. Pretty misleading if you ask me. I think things backfired on her big time.

FYI - I am no longer affiliated with ICE or IceColdCash.com

Of course FDSign. Affordable, fast and we never EVER missed a deadline. We've full satisfaction guarantee (we'll remake until client's completely satisfied) and when you contract us you'll always know who's making your designs. Due to the last trends, now that's an added value :thumbsup

BuckNAKED = are u on drugs mate?

You say you will show me a sample of my design if I want? You have been saying that for the last week how about you show it me..


What makes me laugh is that in your posts you agree you and traci are months behind paying everyone and doing work for everyone in the REAL WORLD your business would be BUST and you certainly wouldnt have money to spend on holidays to disney land. The whole thing is a joke, only in the adult world could you do this.

AND i suggest you take all the designs OUT of your portfolio that have not been paid for, i for one only went with traci because she told me she did the provategold design and I need a similiar style for one of my sites.

:321GFY :321GFY

You forgot me... I'm working on my own too.

Few weeks ago Hungryman posted on GFY smth about hiring designers, I talked to him on icq because I hadn't regular clients that time. He was satisfied by my work but I wasn't satisfied with the deal (he said he'll pay me 40% of his prices and 50% if the work is made before the timeline). Thank god I didn't accepted it...
Then I saw Traci's post on xbiz about hiring designers few days ago, but after Hungryman's story I was cautious (inspired again)...

so count me in
:thumbsup