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[Labret] · 11-25-2002, 02:28 PM

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Originally posted by theking

I am surprised that you seem to be impressed?

Well, in an industry where reputation is nearly everything, letting people run it into the dirt like this is painful to watch. Esp when it is someone off the board you wouldnt have expected. I would have figured he would have known better than to screw people like that. And then to bring in that his woman left him for not making any money and refusing to work. Even that made me wince.

Remember when Fletch brough it up awhile back? He had people all over his ass if I remember right.

Remember that Eddie Murphy song, "My Girl Wants to Party All The Time"?

JFK · 11-25-2002, 02:29 PM

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Originally posted by [The Leader]
Didn't see this coming.

P.S. Anyone else think it's pretty obvious that vidvicious is Hungryman?

No actually He is not ! Two different people! One in Misssisauga, and One in Montreal !

theking · 11-25-2002, 02:33 PM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

Well, in an industry where reputation is nearly everything, letting people run it into the dirt like this is painful to watch. Esp when it is someone off the board you wouldnt have expected. I would have figured he would have known better than to screw people like that. And then to bring in that his woman left him for not making any money and refusing to work. Even that made me wince.

Remember when Fletch brough it up awhile back? He had people all over his ass if I remember right.

Remember that Eddie Murphy song, "My Girl Wants to Party All The Time"?

I am surprised about Hungryman myself, although not shocked. I don't know Hungryman personally, but many seemed too and had mostly good words to say. His persona as a designer and now as a scammer will be his demise in this business.

Westin · 11-25-2002, 02:34 PM

WOW ... this is the best thread in a long time!

Just goes to show what a stand up guy AMP is ... and what a crock Hungryman is...

Funny how people with similar work eithics and personalities stick together, eh DH ??

quiet · 11-25-2002, 02:36 PM

so brutal.

Keev · 11-25-2002, 02:37 PM

no wonder the work was going downhill

BuckNaked where you been man......

quiet · 11-25-2002, 02:38 PM

how amp and buck kept their mouth's shut about it for so long... amazing. fucking amazing.

GregP · 11-25-2002, 02:40 PM

very interesting reading.
But as they say " There are 3 sides to every story"

Fletch XXX · 11-25-2002, 02:40 PM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

Remember when Fletch brough it up awhile back? He had people all over his ass if I remember right.

Yep.

vegasdude · 11-25-2002, 02:40 PM

yep and now its mine.... :evilgrin!:

dickblast · 11-25-2002, 02:42 PM

labret quoting eddie murphy? the apocalypse is upon us!

quiet · 11-25-2002, 02:42 PM

i tried to find the old thread from ynot, but the search only seems to go back 90 days :(

HS-Trixxxia · 11-25-2002, 02:43 PM

These types of threads keep you up to speed on who to do business with and who to steer clear of.

All this time I thought I was being too harsh on the work he did for me - wasted 35 bucks.

So now everyone can keep count, in two years, there have been two scammers I've dealt with
LOVEMATCH (don't think I'll forget)
HUNGRYMAN (wasn't as skillful as he claimed to be - didn't maintain deadlines either)

Live and learn.

[The Leader] · 11-25-2002, 02:45 PM

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Originally posted by JFK

No actually He is not ! Two different people! One in Misssisauga, and One in Montreal !

Ok, guess I was wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.

I'm a little supprised Hungry hasn't posted then, I guess he's guilty of everything he's being accused of.

[The Leader] · 11-25-2002, 02:49 PM

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Originally posted by quiet
how amp and buck kept their mouth's shut about it for so long... amazing. fucking amazing.

Maybe they shouldn't have, sounds like it might have stopped this guy from ripping off other people if he was outed sooner. I guess they did what they had to do, though, if it would have somehow put buck's job in jeopardy.

Snake Doctor · 11-25-2002, 02:49 PM

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Originally posted by BuckNaked
she left him for not making any money

and she told him to get a job and he wouldn't

Well that would explain why Hungry was always so empathetic towards Space Dog.
I always wondered why he was constantly sticking up for the guy......turns out he was in the same boat

BuckNaked · 11-25-2002, 02:52 PM

Ya know what Labret, I held this stuff for a long time, and even begged amp not to say anything, and I warned hungryman to leave amp alone cuz he would get fucked, and he never listened to me, he had this delusion that he really was a designer, and that tennisace and him were somehow different.

Todd the web inc king, YOU never claimed to be a designer, you always claimed to be the sex toy king who filled a niche with kick ass designers and work...'

owning a design company and claiming you're a designer are two different things you own a kickass company, and you already said you don't design so it's all good there...

cherrylula · 11-25-2002, 02:53 PM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

Well, in an industry where reputation is nearly everything, letting people run it into the dirt like this is painful to watch. Esp when it is someone off the board you wouldnt have expected. I would have figured he would have known better than to screw people like that. And then to bring in that his woman left him for not making any money and refusing to work. Even that made me wince.

Remember when Fletch brough it up awhile back? He had people all over his ass if I remember right.

Remember that Eddie Murphy song, "My Girl Wants to Party All The Time"?

hmm no but "boogey in your butt" comes to mind! hehehe

BJ · 11-25-2002, 02:57 PM

Last I heard he was looking for a roommate

theking · 11-25-2002, 03:02 PM

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Originally posted by PureMeds
Last I heard he was looking for a roommate

If true he will need one more than ever now.

BJ · 11-25-2002, 03:04 PM

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Originally posted by theking

If true he will need one more than ever now.

That and a new IP address

CDSmith · 11-25-2002, 03:06 PM

Buck -- What can I say.... I knew you'd come here, but I had no idea your post would be so.... informative. I was riveted while reading it. I kept thinking "this should be a made-for-TV movie or something", very enlightening and entertaining.

Strange thing is, this could all blow over and eventually go away if a few people would just get paid some money. I really don't get it... does the money not exist? Are vid and Hungryman broke or something? I don't see where a few lousy grand should be any problem, especially when it could save your reputation. Are people making <i>less</i> money than they let on??? (ha ha)

Amp -- dude, have you slept yet?

[The Leader] · 11-25-2002, 03:06 PM

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Originally posted by PureMeds

That and a new IP address

LOL, and a new handle/url if he plans on staying in this industry.

Amputate Your Head · 11-25-2002, 03:09 PM

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Originally posted by CDSmith
Amp -- dude, have you slept yet?

got like, 3 hours I think....

Fletch XXX · 11-25-2002, 03:27 PM

no way this thread hit half way down the page as long as I'm drinkin.

bump

quiet · 11-25-2002, 03:30 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
no way this thread hit half way down the page as long as I'm drinkin.

bump

cheers bro

corona? i just picked up some heineken.

Fletch XXX · 11-25-2002, 03:31 PM

12 pack of corona for me.

12 pack of rollin rock for cherry.

hehehe

*bizowl*

big ass grin on my face.

hehehe

quiet · 11-25-2002, 03:33 PM

laaaid baaack myself...

cherrylula · 11-25-2002, 03:33 PM

i only need about 6.6 beers

vegasdude · 11-25-2002, 03:34 PM

got a 6 pack here... just celebrating my new design

Fletch XXX · 11-25-2002, 03:34 PM

Which works for me cuz I need 12 +

hehehe

CDSmith · 11-25-2002, 03:37 PM

<img SRC="http://members.shaw.ca/billy1-99/pics/molsen1.jpg">

Breakfast of champions.

quiet · 11-25-2002, 03:47 PM

cheers

Theo · 11-25-2002, 04:16 PM

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Originally posted by kuwawawah
i don't know what the whole story is but i don't think Hungryman would fuck you over on purpose, he must have his reasons. hope you guys can sort things out eventually, hate to see 2 regular good gfy guys gone sour over business.

same here, i still haven't figure what's the whole deal about, but my personal experience with Hungryman is that he is straight guy and gives credits to people that worth it. This is something i appreciate a lot.

We had a discussion long time ago about graphics designers and he told me he admires AMP's work and that he considers him the best. He also told me that Fletch is a very good designer. I won't hide when we had this discussion i was considering Fletch just a logo creator for tgps....His portofolio back then was under construction and had only some tgp samples and as you know i hate tgps.....so i had the impression Fletch was a wannabe designer of the board. I was proved wrong not a long time after that when I saw Fletch's design on the GFY competition. It was at least great, among the best top3. Of course now I know Fletch is a very good designer and he posts on this board for fun and not in order to spam his work on every opportunity.

Amputate, I believe you should had handled this issue over icq,phone,email or whatever......

ControlThy · 11-25-2002, 04:28 PM

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Originally posted by Soul_Rebel

Amputate, I believe you should had handled this issue over icq,phone,email or whatever......

I strongly disagree.

Theo · 11-25-2002, 04:30 PM

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Originally posted by ControlThy

I strongly disagree.

you are from europe,wtf do you know?

[The Leader] · 11-25-2002, 04:32 PM

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Originally posted by CDSmith
<img SRC="http://members.shaw.ca/billy1-99/pics/molsen1.jpg">

Breakfast of champions.

Ahh, a nice 5.5% Dry tallboy, a staple of any good breakfast. My guess would be that three of those would put most "big drinkers" in the USA on their asses.

Wenchy · 11-25-2002, 04:34 PM

The amount of self-control and patience exhibited by Amp and Buck (LTNS!!

) is nothing short of amazing. And Fletch's buddy, too. Just when I think I've seen the absolute worst this biz has to offer, I turn around and find a thread like this one and am suddenly reminded of all the GOOD people I mingle with every day

As for you, Hungryman... Sayonara, shweetheart. You're up shit creek with no paddle, and it looks to me like you threw them overboard yourself with your shady business practices.

It's because of people like you that even someone like me, who contracts out minor text writing projects, is forced to demand full payment IN ADVANCE for even a $25 job. A f*ckjob is a f*ckjob... size and dollar amounts don't matter. As my grandmother used to be fond of saying, "If you don't like the circumstances you find yourself in, take a good long look in the mirror because only there you will find the one who is to blame."

I doubt that any of you will ever see your money, but you have my admiration for shining the spotlight on this guy and preventing him from doing the same to others. Cheers!

Nysus · 11-25-2002, 04:38 PM

I was a bit shocked after reading all of this - though I did read everything. I haven't been involved in Hungryman's business, though personally he is a really caring nice guy. I know anyone who may have done business from him, might have a biased view of him now, though please don't insulting him as a person.

People get into a certain way of doing things, and if they can continue to them in the same manner without anything bad happening to them (like they can still make a living off of it), then they will continue.

He may not be able to make a living off of it anymore, which means he will have to adjust his practices. There are many design companies who are just agencies, or outsource many designs. I am sure that many people did not know this, and I think this fact that it wasn't clear with him shouldn't be put on him as a fault.

I can understand that people that have done business with him and have not been paid would be aggrevated. I have about $1000+ of people that have not paid me for hosting that I used to offer. Though as a business person, it is very wrong of you to instantly go public, and especially after the time period allowed to pass - 2 years. Instantly bringing this into public view, without the facts, or not giving the opposite side to respond privately first is defaming of character to me.

In the case of Amputate and Duane, if the 2 years has passed since the design was given to Hungry by Duane, then it basically is deemed as his, whether you agree to that or not, any course would agree with me, unless he was told earlier to send payment, or that it was borrowed.

If people hadn't gotten their designs on time - it happens. If you keep buying services from the person, then you should expect them to not be on time, even if they say so. It's common sense that it will be late again.

If people hadn't gotten paid for their designs - it happens. If you keep designing things for the person, then you should expect to not receive payment, even if they say so. It's once again common sense that they most likely will not pay.

I know people base a lot of things on trust, and I still do, and it sucks when things like this happen, it really does. I now am very cautious of anyone I do business with, even the known people, because if anyone they could probably make you look in the wrong if you have no evidence, and it costs more money to take legal action, then people usually loose out on.

Seperate personal from business, and business from personal.

If someone is nice, great. If someone does good business, great.

Cheers,
Matt

P.S. I have to walk my puppy and then go grocery shopping, so I will reply later if need be..

SleazyDream · 11-25-2002, 04:39 PM

baaaahhhh - what does hungryman care?

He's a PORN STAR now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Labret] · 11-25-2002, 04:43 PM

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Originally posted by [The Leader]

Ahh, a nice 5.5% Dry tallboy, a staple of any good breakfast. My guess would be that three of those would put most "big drinkers" in the USA on their asses.

Oh cmon, your Canadian FAS Elixir is not that much more potent.

Giving beer to a Canadian is like giving whiskey to an indian. They all descend from Frogs, and they are a bunch of wine drinking fruits. You just dont have beer drinking genes like the Scandinavians, and various other European beer loving nations.

You ever seen an itialian drink beer? Not pretty.

CDSmith · 11-25-2002, 05:01 PM

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Originally posted by [The Leader]
Ahh, a nice 5.5% Dry tallboy, a staple of any good breakfast. My guess would be that three of those would put most "big drinkers" in the USA on their asses.

Absolutely.
I've drank beer with several Americans over the past few decades. The swill they get piss drunk on doesn't even phase most good Canadians. Coors? please. Blue ribbon? ha ha, yeah. American-made Bud? oh yeah, now you're talking.... not.

He who knocks Canadian beer knows not what the fuck he speweth about.

Ludedude · 11-25-2002, 05:07 PM

Danzig?

CDSmith · 11-25-2002, 05:11 PM

Nysus, I agree with some of what you say, but I have to take issue with a certain point...

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Originally posted by Nysus
In the case of Amputate and Duane, if the 2 years has passed since the design was given to Hungry by Duane, then it basically is deemed as his, whether you agree to that or not, any course would agree with me, unless he was told earlier to send payment, or that it was borrowed.

Where are you pulling this "2 year" time limit out of? Thin air? Your ass? Are you saying this legal time limit is the same everywhere in the world? C'mon now. I know of no such time limit.

Granted, if it is now 2 years since the design was made, I'd have to say that Amp is a helluva lot more patient than I would be in this situation. But like Buck has said, there are a lot of extenuating circumstances to consider as well.

Bottom line is, you can't argue with what is right and what is wrong. The original designer deserves to be paid, no question about it. No courT in any country would argue with that.

theking · 11-25-2002, 05:12 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream
baaaahhhh - what does hungryman care?

He's a PORN STAR now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[The Leader] · 11-25-2002, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]

Oh cmon, your Canadian FAS Elixir is not that much more potent.

Giving beer to a Canadian is like giving whiskey to an indian. They all descend from Frogs, and they are a bunch of wine drinking fruits. You just dont have beer drinking genes like the Scandinavians, and various other European beer loving nations.

You ever seen an itialian drink beer? Not pretty.

It's pretty ignorant to think most Canadians are frogs, especially since neither me nor CDSmith are in Quebec. I'm Irish, booze is in my blood. I've been drunk thousands of times, I mean real booze, not 3.5% US beerwater, and I've never once resembled a drunken Indian.

theking · 11-25-2002, 05:18 PM

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Originally posted by [The Leader]

It's pretty ignorant to think most Canadians are frogs, especially since neither me nor CDSmith are in Quebec. I'm Irish, booze is in my blood. I've been drunk thousands of times, I mean real booze, not 3.5% US beerwater, and I've never once resembled a drunken Indian.

How about a drunken Irishman?

Sly_RJ · 11-25-2002, 05:28 PM

Something I either didn't notice or don't quite understand...

Was PaysiteDesign.com created as a "favor" or not? From Pensfans statement, I thought it was. Anyway, if it was a "favor", how can you come back two years after the fact and demand payment on something that payment terms were never created for?

And don't get me wrong, I totally understand why Amp is pissed. He should have blown up about this ages ago, most people would have, including myself. I would not tolerate someone bragging about their work, when it was actually my creation.

Fletch XXX · 11-25-2002, 05:32 PM

Just another day in my 'lokked' out hood.

Fletch XXX · 11-25-2002, 05:33 PM

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Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
We had a discussion long time ago about graphics designers and he told me he admires AMP's work and that he considers him the best. He also told me that Fletch is a very good designer. I won't hide when we had this discussion i was considering Fletch just a logo creator for tgps....His portofolio back then was under construction and had only some tgp samples and as you know i hate tgps.....so i had the impression Fletch was a wannabe designer of the board. I was proved wrong not a long time after that when I saw Fletch's design on the GFY competition. It was at least great, among the best top3. Of course now I know Fletch is a very good designer and he posts on this board for fun and not in order to spam his work on every opportunity.

Damn man.

Got a nigga all teary eyed and shit.

Cheers brutha.

11-25-2002, 02:34 PM	#154
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11-25-2002, 02:36 PM	#155
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	so brutal. __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP

11-25-2002, 02:37 PM	#156
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11-25-2002, 02:38 PM	#157
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	how amp and buck kept their mouth's shut about it for so long... amazing. fucking amazing. __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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11-25-2002, 02:40 PM	#158
GregP Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 539	very interesting reading. But as they say " There are 3 sides to every story"

11-25-2002, 02:40 PM	#160
vegasdude Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Royal Family Crew Posts: 3,649	yep and now its mine.... :evilgrin!:

11-25-2002, 02:42 PM	#162
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	i tried to find the old thread from ynot, but the search only seems to go back 90 days :( Last edited by quiet; 11-25-2002 at 02:44 PM..

11-25-2002, 02:43 PM	#163
HS-Trixxxia Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Montreal Canada Posts: 2,946	These types of threads keep you up to speed on who to do business with and who to steer clear of. All this time I thought I was being too harsh on the work he did for me - wasted 35 bucks. So now everyone can keep count, in two years, there have been two scammers I've dealt with LOVEMATCH (don't think I'll forget) HUNGRYMAN (wasn't as skillful as he claimed to be - didn't maintain deadlines either) Live and learn.

11-25-2002, 02:52 PM	#167
BuckNaked Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Moved to a tent in the back yard Posts: 399	Ya know what Labret, I held this stuff for a long time, and even begged amp not to say anything, and I warned hungryman to leave amp alone cuz he would get fucked, and he never listened to me, he had this delusion that he really was a designer, and that tennisace and him were somehow different. Todd the web inc king, YOU never claimed to be a designer, you always claimed to be the sex toy king who filled a niche with kick ass designers and work...' owning a design company and claiming you're a designer are two different things you own a kickass company, and you already said you don't design so it's all good there... __________________ The BuckNaked Show! LIVE! Thursday's Midnight EST Daily Grind Radio

11-25-2002, 02:57 PM	#169
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11-25-2002, 03:06 PM	#172
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	Buck -- What can I say.... I knew you'd come here, but I had no idea your post would be so.... informative. I was riveted while reading it. I kept thinking "this should be a made-for-TV movie or something", very enlightening and entertaining. Strange thing is, this could all blow over and eventually go away if a few people would just get paid some money. I really don't get it... does the money not exist? Are vid and Hungryman broke or something? I don't see where a few lousy grand should be any problem, especially when it could save your reputation. Are people making <i>less</i> money than they let on??? (ha ha) Amp -- dude, have you slept yet? __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

11-25-2002, 03:27 PM	#175
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	no way this thread hit half way down the page as long as I'm drinkin. bump __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

11-25-2002, 03:31 PM	#177
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	12 pack of corona for me. 12 pack of rollin rock for cherry. hehehe bizowl big ass grin on my face. hehehe __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

11-25-2002, 03:33 PM	#178
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	laaaid baaack myself... __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP

11-25-2002, 03:33 PM	#179
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	i only need about 6.6 beers

11-25-2002, 03:34 PM	#180
vegasdude Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Royal Family Crew Posts: 3,649	got a 6 pack here... just celebrating my new design

11-25-2002, 03:34 PM	#181
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	Which works for me cuz I need 12 + hehehe __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

11-25-2002, 03:37 PM	#182
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	<img SRC="http://members.shaw.ca/billy1-99/pics/molsen1.jpg"> Breakfast of champions. __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

11-25-2002, 03:47 PM	#183
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	cheers

11-25-2002, 04:34 PM	#188
Wenchy Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mile High City Posts: 231	The amount of self-control and patience exhibited by Amp and Buck (LTNS!! ) is nothing short of amazing. And Fletch's buddy, too. Just when I think I've seen the absolute worst this biz has to offer, I turn around and find a thread like this one and am suddenly reminded of all the GOOD people I mingle with every day As for you, Hungryman... Sayonara, shweetheart. You're up shit creek with no paddle, and it looks to me like you threw them overboard yourself with your shady business practices. It's because of people like you that even someone like me, who contracts out minor text writing projects, is forced to demand full payment IN ADVANCE for even a $25 job. A fckjob is a fckjob... size and dollar amounts don't matter. As my grandmother used to be fond of saying, "If you don't like the circumstances you find yourself in, take a good long look in the mirror because only there you will find the one who is to blame." I doubt that any of you will ever see your money, but you have my admiration for shining the spotlight on this guy and preventing him from doing the same to others. Cheers! __________________ <br><a href="http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clicks.cgi?CA=920346-0000&PA=581865&HTML=http://www.1000facials.com/webmasters/" target="_blank"><b>Looking for Amateur Reality Sites?<br><img src="http://banner.1000facials.com/1000facials_120x60_01.gif"><br>One Man... One Camera... One Mission<br></b></a>

11-25-2002, 04:38 PM	#189
Nysus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,817	I was a bit shocked after reading all of this - though I did read everything. I haven't been involved in Hungryman's business, though personally he is a really caring nice guy. I know anyone who may have done business from him, might have a biased view of him now, though please don't insulting him as a person. People get into a certain way of doing things, and if they can continue to them in the same manner without anything bad happening to them (like they can still make a living off of it), then they will continue. He may not be able to make a living off of it anymore, which means he will have to adjust his practices. There are many design companies who are just agencies, or outsource many designs. I am sure that many people did not know this, and I think this fact that it wasn't clear with him shouldn't be put on him as a fault. I can understand that people that have done business with him and have not been paid would be aggrevated. I have about $1000+ of people that have not paid me for hosting that I used to offer. Though as a business person, it is very wrong of you to instantly go public, and especially after the time period allowed to pass - 2 years. Instantly bringing this into public view, without the facts, or not giving the opposite side to respond privately first is defaming of character to me. In the case of Amputate and Duane, if the 2 years has passed since the design was given to Hungry by Duane, then it basically is deemed as his, whether you agree to that or not, any course would agree with me, unless he was told earlier to send payment, or that it was borrowed. If people hadn't gotten their designs on time - it happens. If you keep buying services from the person, then you should expect them to not be on time, even if they say so. It's common sense that it will be late again. If people hadn't gotten paid for their designs - it happens. If you keep designing things for the person, then you should expect to not receive payment, even if they say so. It's once again common sense that they most likely will not pay. I know people base a lot of things on trust, and I still do, and it sucks when things like this happen, it really does. I now am very cautious of anyone I do business with, even the known people, because if anyone they could probably make you look in the wrong if you have no evidence, and it costs more money to take legal action, then people usually loose out on. Seperate personal from business, and business from personal. If someone is nice, great. If someone does good business, great. Cheers, Matt P.S. I have to walk my puppy and then go grocery shopping, so I will reply later if need be..

11-25-2002, 04:39 PM	#190
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	baaaahhhh - what does hungryman care? He's a PORN STAR now!!!!!!!!!!!!!! __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

11-25-2002, 05:07 PM	#193
Ludedude Suck it! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Who wants to know? Posts: 4,432	Danzig? __________________

11-25-2002, 05:28 PM	#198
Sly_RJ Live Hard - Die Hard Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Ready to leave... Posts: 17,042	Something I either didn't notice or don't quite understand... Was PaysiteDesign.com created as a "favor" or not? From Pensfans statement, I thought it was. Anyway, if it was a "favor", how can you come back two years after the fact and demand payment on something that payment terms were never created for? And don't get me wrong, I totally understand why Amp is pissed. He should have blown up about this ages ago, most people would have, including myself. I would not tolerate someone bragging about their work, when it was actually my creation. __________________ PHAT SERVERS - Quality dedicated hosting at a quality price! sly AT phatservers DOT com - 147479144

11-25-2002, 05:32 PM	#199
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	Just another day in my 'lokked' out hood. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me