Hungryman: Take it down.
 

You will take down that PaysiteDesign.com site ASAP or pay me for the site.

(and you may be answering to those sites in your so-called 'portfolio' soon as well.)

Now this could get interesting.

Holy fuck.

Amp - I hope you get what youre owed.

:glugglug

Wow, poor guy can't go more then an hour without finding another person fucking with him.

http://smilies.networkessence.net/s/cwm/3dlil/lurk.gif

Who would use a designer who didn't even design their own site?

That depends on if you know or not.

BTW where is Hungry?

It is highly un-ethical to broker jobs without telling the client.:2 cents:

Newsflash: lots of guys run design companies. They have qualified designers on "staff" that they farm out work to. As long as the work is up to par, who care's who designed it?

Not when people pass it on like *they* designed it.

actually... alot of people care...


alot of people hire specific people for specific jobs based on their portfolio work....


Hungry is a sham.

I can understand outsourcing design work, but shouldn't the designer's site and the designer's portfolio be a representation of the <i>their</i> work and not somebody else's? Seems silly to me. I know i wouldn't use a designer that doesn't even do his own site.

yeah as long as the actual designer gets paid hahaha

I met hungryman in NY seems like a great guy

nice design

thank you.

being 'cool' and partying with someone is a lot different than doing buisness with them:2 cents:

Interesting thread,

yeh I can't even draw a smiley face :), but our team of 9 designers does rock and roll!!!

Any top design company is judged usually by there work, customer service, and of course that nice big portfolio:)

peace

You did the design? Wow, you have the proof ? I you have for example the psd file?

Andre

I guess if he is flaming like this he has some proof

A friend of mine had problems with "Hungryman" also, guess he is not the only one.

Does this make 5?

I had no idea.

wow.

:smokin

OMG, the shit has hit the fan !!! :BangBang:

LOL

Yes, in a perfect world that I built that would go without saying.

Hey, as long as the client is happy, the designer has been paid, then I don't see the harm of doing business that way. As long as all parties are happy there should be no argument at all about this. If I take on your project, and I find that I am too busy to make the deadline, as long as the design is done to your satisfaction you shouldn't care how it got done or by whom. In that sense, the designer is paid for his/her work, and that work becomes part of the <i>companie's</i> portfolio. The <i>company</i>, henceforth known as "the broker" or design rep, can claim they can produce any level of work from within their portfolio, out-sourced or not. It's done all the fucking time people.


I'm not saying I do business that way, because I don't. But I can understand it. But again, my way is to make sure the work get's done and make sure all parties are paid and/or satisfied. clear?

I think its really fucking lame when people use *other* peoples work and use that to get credit among peers for creativity, when its not them.

And then in the end HUngryman gets paid for the job, yet as we see the *real* designers are not getting paid.

I dont think its cool at all.

Fletch.... you & cherry are cool as fucking hell... and nothing on this board will ever change that in my eyes....


you guys fucking ROCK!!! http://www.opticalamplitude.com/stuff/rockon.gif

Amp's on fire!

When I buy an object, go ahead and broker it. When I pay for a service, one thing I am doing is getting a feel for the guy who is doing the work and seeing if we "see" the same thing and have an understanding of the subjective thing he will be creating. When it gets brokered it is FUCKED.

Seems like you're not reading me right.



Maybe the bottom line is... if you want 100% credit for all of your original work, then don't take on these 3rd party outsourced jobs from other companies.


MY stance on being paid remains in line with anything you guys have said here. The designer should be paid. period.

:glugglug

I'm only cool. :D

I have a ways to go before I'm cool as hell.

Amp - no one here could or would deny that your work is some of the hottest shit on the net now, and at the rate youre going youll stay at the front of the pack.

To think that you arent being paid for that work, is an insult to any artist out there.

:smokin

one phone call could fix that dude...

Crystal.

Number please.

So is a phone call to Maui just long distance or some ungodly rate?

Just wondering.

this reminds me of a rapper named Skillz formally know as Mad Skillz. he supposedly ghostwrote a bunch of songs for famous rappers like mase, puffy, foxy brown and got dicked over on the money and he made a song called ghostwriter and edited out all the names and at the end he said "yall keep fucking around im gonna put this back out with your names in it"

Drama.

maybe... but UNANSWERED drama.

I bet hungryman is thrilled in the morning when he wakes up to see this thread. I can hardly wait!
Suhweet!

and it WON'T be fucking answered.... because there IS no fucking answer....




I AM the fucking answer.






kneel before me Hungry. Kneel.... and suck amp cock.

How do you consider this 'drama'?

Guy does design work.

Guy doesnt get paid for design work.

Guy waits for payment.

Guy asks for payment.

Sounds like its time to collect, this aint drama.

Good ole fashioned collection plate.

:smokin

What did you drink tonight amp? I want the same shit. :)

Probably consulting with his legal team before responding. :)

to no avail......



I fucking own him.


He doesn't know it yet, but I fucking own his ASS.

let me see the psd file to your site, i think you stole it....

as well as the psd for the ILLEGAL signature you have, i dont think it's yours either...

I distinctly heard the sound of a can of whoopass being popped open earlier.

oh I got it alright...... and then some.



you think I'd bust open a thread like this without it? LOL




gimme some fucking credit......



this is not some newb you ass.....




this is fucking AMP.




and I fucking own him. Lock.... stock.... and fucking pimp suit. :glugglug

Todd/AMP,

You don't know me. I am the VP of Operations for Paysigndesign.com. When I was notified of your post (by one of my clients) I decided to research this "new information" before responding to your accusations, Because they are accusations. In my search I found that Paysitedesign.com not only never hired you to do design work but also there doesn;t seem to be an moneys owed to you for any work done. WHich made me wonder why you would accuse us of not paying you. Then I thought I should look into this further. ANd that is when I made a discovery. Duane/Pensfran seems to be the person for whom you worked for, Since that is whom we got that design from. (XXXdesisgngroup.com) You're grevence is with Pensfran and not Hungryman nor paysitedesign.com. You have made some serious accusations here. We never have hired you or even commissioned you to do any work for us. If any moneys are owed to you they are owed to you by Pensfan not us. We cleared our bussiness with him when XXXdesigngroup.com was desolved. He was paid for the designs that hungryman brought over to Paysitedesign. What we do with bought designs is our bussiness. As it is you 're personal clients bussiness...what they do with designs they commission from you. You are a designer, so you, better then anybody else should Understand that once the design is sold it belongs to the person that bought it.

Also I'd like to add that our clientele cums to us for they're design needs because they want to be able to recieve the right designer for the job in question. At paysitedesign we have over 10 freelance sat designers working with us. Our designs are a complation of work from different artist. And we never make the claim that paysite design is one person, or one designer.

I'd like to ask you to retract the accusations you have made here tonight. This is not the forum or place to dig holes. All you had to do was talk so somebody at paysitedesign.com Contact numbers are there for just that reason. This delma of yours might of faired differently.

I apologise to any of our clients that read this. It is unfortunate that a single person whom didn't have his facts straight would go to this lenght to accuse an induvidual or company, without having all the facts. I 'm sorry you had to witness this.

Amp/Todd, If in fact you were commissined by XXXdesigngroup.com for that base design, then your paymant should cum from them. If all you were looking for was recognition, we would of Gladly given to you, had we known.


Vid Vicious


PS Voodoo, It is our discretion to hire designers,and not the designers choice. just because u had a conversation on ICQ doesn't mean u got the job.