Spanish court considers trying former US officials - GoFuckYourself.com

Rangermoore · 03-28-2009, 04:28 PM

MADRID, ? A Spanish court has agreed to consider opening a criminal case against six former Bush administration officials, including former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, over allegations they gave legal cover for torture at Guantanamo Bay, a lawyer in the case said Saturday.

Human rights lawyers brought the case before leading anti-terror judge Baltasar Garzon, who agreed to send it on to prosecutors to decide whether it had merit, Gonzalo Boye, one of the lawyers who brought the charges, told The Associated Press.

The ex-Bush officials are Gonzales; former undersecretary of defense for policy Douglas Feith; former Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff David Addington; Justice Department officials John Yoo and Jay S. Bybee; and Pentagon lawyer William Haynes.

Yoo declined to comment. A request for comment left with Feith through his Hudson Institute e-mail address was not immediately returned.

Spanish law allows courts to reach beyond national borders in cases of torture or war crimes under a doctrine of universal justice, though the government has recently said it hopes to limit the scope of the legal process.

Garzon became famous for bringing charges against former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet in 1998, and he and other Spanish judges have agreed to investigate alleged abuses everywhere from Tibet to Argentina's "dirty war," El Salvador and Rwanda.

Still, the country's record in prosecuting such cases has been spotty at best, with only one suspect extradited to Spain so far.

When a similar case was brought against Israeli officials earlier this year, Foreign Minister Miguel Angel Moratinos assured his Israeli counterpart that the process would be quashed.

Even if indictments are eventually handed down against the U.S. officials, it is far from clear whether arrests would ever take place. The officials would have to travel outside the United States and to a country willing to take them into custody before possible extradition to Spain.

The officials are charged with providing a legal cover for interrogation methods like waterboarding against terrorism suspects at Guantanamo, which the Spanish human rights lawyers say amounted to torture.

Yoo, for instance, wrote a series of secret memos that claimed the president had the legal authority to circumvent the Geneva Conventions.

President George W. Bush always denied the U.S. tortured anyone. The U.S. has acknowledged that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the self-described plotter of Sept. 11, and a few other prisoners were waterboarded at secret CIA prisons before being taken to Guantanamo, but the Bush administration insisted that all interrogations were lawful.

Boye said he expected the National Court to take the case forward, and dismissed concerns that it would harm bilateral relations between the two countries.

He said that some of the victims of the alleged torture were Spaniards, strengthening the argument for Spanish jurisdiction.

"When you bring a case like this you can't stop to make political judgments as to how it might affect bilateral relations between countries," he told the AP." It's too important for that."

Boye noted that the case was brought not against interrogators who might have committed crimes but by the lawyers and other high-placed officials who gave cover for their actions.

"Our case is a denunciation of lawyers, by lawyers, because we don't believe our profession should be used to help commit such barbarities," he said.

Another lawyer with detailed knowledge of the case told the AP that Garzon's decision to consider the charges was "a significant first step." The lawyer spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk to the media.

There was no immediate comment from Garzon or the government.

The judge's decision to send the case against the American officials to prosecutors means it will proceed, at least for now. Prosecutors must now decide whether to recommend a full-blown investigation, though Garzon is not bound by their decision.

The proceedings against the Bush Administration officials could be embarrassing for Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, who has been keen to improve ties with the United States after frosty relations during the Bush Administration.

Jdoughs · 03-28-2009, 04:34 PM

If they were torturing or covering it up, they deserve a day in court.

You guys like to play the judge jury and executioner for the rest of the world. Its only fitting you are held to the same standards.

Maybe we will be lucky and they will start hanging some of those fuckers.

Mr Pheer · 03-28-2009, 04:42 PM

Some terrorist suspects got waterboarded. Boohoo. Cry me a river.

tony286 · 03-28-2009, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

Some terrorist suspects got waterboarded. Boohoo. Cry me a river.

How about the people that are there and are innocent? There has been a shit load of them. Also if we dont hold ourselves to a higher standard then how can we expect others too?

Rangermoore · 03-28-2009, 04:46 PM

It seems that the USA is the worlds police force...Who else is going to do it? Who else CAN do it? spain, mexico, france, uk, europe, china, canada, without the USA most other countrys would not exist. if they don't like it then they step up and try and help out insted of always running to the USA for help with everything. BTW the USA sets the standard for the rest of the world. Lead follow or get the fuck out of the way.

Rangermoore · 03-28-2009, 04:49 PM

Hey Tony404, you were there? You know they were innocent? If it gets info out of them then we should use ANY means to extract info if it will help protect American lives.

Libertine · 03-28-2009, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Rangermoore

It seems that the USA is the worlds police force...Who else is going to do it? Who else CAN do it? spain, mexico, france, uk, europe, china, canada, without the USA most other countrys would not exist. if they don't like it then they step up and try and help out insted of always running to the USA for help with everything. BTW the USA sets the standard for the rest of the world. Lead follow or get the fuck out of the way.

Cunts like you give America a bad name

Jdoughs · 03-28-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rangermoore

It seems that the USA is the worlds police force...Who else is going to do it? Who else CAN do it? spain, mexico, france, uk, europe, china, canada, without the USA most other countrys would not exist. if they don't like it then they step up and try and help out insted of always running to the USA for help with everything. BTW the USA sets the standard for the rest of the world. Lead follow or get the fuck out of the way.

LOL I bet you have a rebel flag tatoo'd on your back don't you.

You sound like a total hick, blinded by his own nations media.

EDIT- Just noticed your avatar, too fucking funny.

IllTestYourGirls · 03-28-2009, 05:11 PM

If the USA were not the policemen of the world there never would have been a 9/11. That is pretty much fact. Unlike the propagandists that blame our freedoms and the American people for getting attacked I am putting blame where it belongs, the American politicians both left and right.

Rangermoore · 03-28-2009, 05:18 PM

He he he I love getting a rise out of people...lol at you...

polish_aristocrat · 03-28-2009, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Libertine

Cunts like you give America a bad name

He's right to an extent... Europeans often share some different values than Americans , but their peace and freedom and security are strongly based on the partnership with the US and not enough Europeans want to remember this.

Let's say it like this - all the current little wars the US is engaged in or wants to get engaged, might be pointless and harmful, but if there was ever a real threat to Europe.. or to world peace... (e.g from Russia, China) then "world's" safety would strongely depend on the US again.. the European military is a joke nowadays... in fact there's no European military.

Let me state again, I do not advocate the current US wars or attitude, but if there was ever a REAL threat, then more likely than not, the US would be the needed to ensure Europe's safety indeed.

frank7799 · 03-28-2009, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rangermoore

without the USA most other countrys would not exist.

This proposition is as veritable as the denial of the evolution.

Rangermoore · 03-28-2009, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

He's right to an extent... Europeans often share some different values than Americans , but their peace and freedom and security are strongly based on the partnership with the US and not enough Europeans want to remember this.

Let's say it like this - all the current little wars the US is engaged in or wants to get engaged, might be pointless and harmful, but if there was ever a real threat to Europe.. or to world peace... (e.g from Russia, China) then "world's" safety would strongely depend on the US again.. the European military is a joke nowadays... in fact there's no European military.

Let me state again, I do not advocate the current US wars or attitude, but if there was ever a REAL threat, then more likely than not, the US would be the needed to ensure Europe's safety indeed.

I agree with you. I do not advocate the war in Iraq at all, I do think the US should stay focused on the things that made this country great and not on the troubles of others. We need to stop giving money and aid to other countrys then lets see where they would be..

Rangermoore · 03-28-2009, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jdoughs

LOL I bet you have a rebel flag tatoo'd on your back don't you.

You sound like a total hick, blinded by his own nations media.

EDIT- Just noticed your avatar, too fucking funny.

LOL... No I don't have a rebel flag tatoo'd on my back. But I do have a US Flag that I hoisted on top of a building and flew in Iraq after we killed the people in it...lol

IllTestYourGirls · 03-28-2009, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Rangermoore

LOL... No I don't have a rebel flag tatoo'd on my back. But I do have a US Flag that I hoisted on top of a building and flew in Iraq after we killed the people in it...lol

How did that make the USA safer?

Libertine · 03-28-2009, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

He's right to an extent... Europeans often share some different values than Americans , but their peace and freedom and security are strongly based on the partnership with the US and not enough Europeans want to remember this.

Let's say it like this - all the current little wars the US is engaged in or wants to get engaged, might be pointless and harmful, but if there was ever a real threat to Europe.. or to world peace... (e.g from Russia, China) then "world's" safety would strongely depend on the US again.. the European military is a joke nowadays... in fact there's no European military.

Let me state again, I do not advocate the current US wars or attitude, but if there was ever a REAL threat, then more likely than not, the US would be the needed to ensure Europe's safety indeed.

That isn't actually true. The biggest danger to Europe was always Europe itself.

Countries in the European Union have a total defense budget of about 300 billion USD a year. China's defense budget is 70 billion USD, and Russia's defense budget is about 50 billion USD. And since the EU has a combined GDP of around 17 trillion USD (compared to 14 trillion for the US, 3 trillion for China, and 1.3 trillion for Russia), it easily has the economic power to survive a prolonged conflict.

No country in the world has the military and economic power to successfully invade Europe.

Rangermoore · 03-28-2009, 06:17 PM

But the europeans can't act as one. Besides, europe would not exist if the US did not conquer hitler and japan in a little thing called WWII. Once again America to the rescue..

directfiesta · 03-28-2009, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rangermoore

It seems that the USA is the worlds police force...Who else is going to do it? Who else CAN do it? spain, mexico, france, uk, europe, china, canada, without the USA most other countrys would not exist. if they don't like it then they step up and try and help out insted of always running to the USA for help with everything. BTW the USA sets the standard for the rest of the world. Lead follow or get the fuck out of the way.

shit you are dumb

Dirty F · 03-28-2009, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rangermoore

Hey Tony404, you were there? You know they were innocent? If it gets info out of them then we should use ANY means to extract info if it will help protect American lives.

What's it like to be an ignorant dumb fucking hick?

Why does the US have so many fucking idiots like you?

Dirty F · 03-28-2009, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rangermoore

But the europeans can't act as one. Besides, europe would not exist if the US did not conquer hitler and japan in a little thing called WWII. Once again America to the rescue..

Holy shit

You're just a fake nick stirring up shit right

Dirty F · 03-28-2009, 06:59 PM

And this is why everytime the US goes to war they fuck things up. They send tons of retards like you to war zones. Dumb fucking rednecks who love to play with guns and shoot anything that's not American.

Ever wonder why the rest of the world thinks they way to do about America? Because of white trash like you.

Rangermoore · 03-28-2009, 07:49 PM

LOL.....I love to stir the shit....LOL

SuckOnThis · 03-28-2009, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Rangermoore

It seems that the USA is the worlds police force...Who else is going to do it? Who else CAN do it? spain, mexico, france, uk, europe, china, canada, without the USA most other countrys would not exist. if they don't like it then they step up and try and help out insted of always running to the USA for help with everything. BTW the USA sets the standard for the rest of the world. Lead follow or get the fuck out of the way.

Grama's house?

Dirty F · 03-29-2009, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Rangermoore

LOL.....I love to stir the shit....LOL

So you are for real?

Oh man...

sortie · 03-29-2009, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Rangermoore

It seems that the USA is the worlds police force...Who else is going to do it? Who else CAN do it? spain, mexico, france, uk, europe, china, canada, without the USA most other countrys would not exist. if they don't like it then they step up and try and help out insted of always running to the USA for help with everything. BTW the USA sets the standard for the rest of the world. Lead follow or get the fuck out of the way.

If police action is defined as arrogant belligerence then I agree, other than that you
live in a fucking fantasy.

I live in America, care to join me someday?

DWB · 03-29-2009, 10:53 AM

They are stupid. Only the American government can hold the rest of the world accountable, not the other way around.

Morons. Duh.

El stupido.

Blazed · 03-29-2009, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

And this is why everytime the US goes to war they fuck things up. They send tons of retards like you to war zones. Dumb fucking rednecks who love to play with guns and shoot anything that's not American.

Ever wonder why the rest of the world thinks they way to do about America? Because of white trash like you.

Considering how you like to play other people you get played pretty easily yourself dont you?

Dirty F · 03-29-2009, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Blazed

Considering how you like to play other people you get played pretty easily yourself dont you?

Where exactly is he playing people you moron. He's dead serious and a total moron.

Blazed · 03-29-2009, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

Where exactly is he playing people you moron. He's dead serious and a total moron.

He may be a moron but it is clear this thread is designed to piss of Europeans and has worked. Im a Brit but i can read this thread without my blood pressure rising which you seem incapable of.

cykoe6 · 03-29-2009, 11:23 AM

Spain is no doubt overstepping here but the results will likely be a bunch of sound and fury followed by nothing. Spain would have to make some serious social benefit cuts if they had to provide for their own defense. Additionally the populace and government are world renowned for the cowardice that they showed after the Madrid attacks, so their ability to defend themselves seems tenuous at best. I would guess they will tuck their tails and play nice with the US sooner rather than later.

If you consider Spain's unemployment rate is already 14% and its workforce is notorious for its laziness and low productivity I would think that they might be better served to focus inward on their own internal problems.

Splum · 03-29-2009, 11:24 AM

LOL@all the liberals acting tough in this thread.

You pussy bitches couldnt fight your way out of a chip bag, bunch of fucking fat ass losers.

CyberHustler · 03-29-2009, 11:31 AM

Rangermoore · 03-29-2009, 11:58 AM

Right on Blazed...lol...I am not serious, just like to get things worked up a bit...lol..Some people are tooooo easy to get worked up...

Rangermoore · 03-29-2009, 12:01 PM

Besides a little debate never hurts...Life would be boring if someone did not make us think once in awhile...

v4 media · 03-29-2009, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6

Spain is no doubt overstepping here but the results will likely be a bunch of sound and fury followed by nothing. Spain would have to make some serious social benefit cuts if they had to provide for their own defense. Additionally the populace and government are world renowned for the cowardice that they showed after the Madrid attacks, so their ability to defend themselves seems tenuous at best. I would guess they will tuck their tails and play nice with the US sooner rather than later.

If you consider Spain's unemployment rate is already 14% and its workforce is notorious for its laziness and low productivity I would think that they might be better served to focus inward on their own internal problems.

Because under Spanish law international cases can be heard, its the lawyers rather than the Spanish government / judiciary that's asked for these people to be arrested.

AtlantisCash · 03-29-2009, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rangermoore

He he he I love getting a rise out of people...lol at you...

Eat a dick and die, i can't even name You a fascist, i bet Just a Keyboard Warrier with low Keyboard fight skills.

idiot

David! · 03-29-2009, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

How about the people that are there and are innocent? There has been a shit load of them. Also if we dont hold ourselves to a higher standard then how can we expect others too?

I think that you are one of the dumbest mother fucker on this board.

David! · 03-29-2009, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by AtlantisCash

Eat a dick and die, i can't even name You a fashist, i bet Just a Keyboard Warrier with low Keyboard fight skills.

idiot.

Actually, you spelled fascist wrong. But what can we expect from a Turkish piece of scum like you?
Your people slaughtered 1.5 millions innocent Armenians. Are you going to deny that?
Why don't you go stick a dinner kebab in your ass. Shouldn't be hard, I heard all Turkish guys love a good cock in their butts

AtlantisCash · 03-29-2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by PussyMan

I think that you are one of the dumbest mother fucker on this board.

Why, Because He speaks the truth?

cykoe6 · 03-29-2009, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by AtlantisCash

Why, Because He speaks the truth?

Safe to say you claim he speaks the truth because he never heard an Islamist propaganda claim he did not believe without question and he never heard of an action taken to oppose the Islamists that he did not denounce. Kind of like yourself.

David! · 03-29-2009, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by AtlantisCash

Why, Because He speaks the truth?

yarti crasba, ye neyeck turkiye toreyeboute balache

Mr Pheer · 03-29-2009, 01:59 PM

I guess when the guys in Spain started this lawsuit shit, they forgot about the terrorist attacks on their trains.

I'm sure they wouldnt be so concerned that some terrorist suspects got waterboarded if they had remembered their own people being killed.

Rangermoore · 03-29-2009, 02:05 PM

Thanks Mr Pheer.... You said it all....

AtlantisCash · 03-29-2009, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pussy Man

Actually, you spelled fascist wrong. But what can we expect from a Turkish piece of scum like you?
Your people slaughtered 1.5 millions innocent Armenians. Are you going to deny that?
Why don't you go stick a dinner kebab in your ass. Shouldn't be hard, I heard all Turkish guys love a good cock in their butts

Where did i spell it wrong, You fucking cocksucker? i eventually edited it, did You read my post out of Your ass?

i saw, You're too sensitive about Armenians, are You an Armenian?

be or not, i could care less, do You know how many Azerbaijan Turks killed by Armenians at Hocali Massacre You stupid little cunt boy?

You said we like cocks, i really laugh my ass off You now, we're not fagots like some of You dumbs, i really wonder, did Your mom make You scare a lot with "Turks" when You were a little pussy kid?

Now go back and apply some enema bag in Your dirty butt hole, You gave us enough stink here

AtlantisCash · 03-29-2009, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by PussyMan

yarti crasba, ye neyeck turkiye toreyeboute balache

Take a break and stop playing that skin flute a bit, i don't understand What are You talking about

AtlantisCash · 03-29-2009, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6

Safe to say you claim he speaks the truth because he never heard an Islamist propaganda claim he did not believe without question and he never heard of an action taken to oppose the Islamists that he did not denounce. Kind of like yourself.

Come again?

Which media is that controlled by Islamists?

David! · 03-29-2009, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by AtlantisCash

Where did i spell it wrong, You fucking cocksucker? i eventually edited it, did You read my post out of Your ass?

i saw, You're too sensitive about Armenians, are You an Armenian?

be or not, i could care less, do You know how many Azerbaijan Turks killed by Armenians at Hocali Massacre You stupid little cunt boy?

You said we like cocks, i really laugh my ass off You now, we're not fagots like some of You dumbs, i really wonder, did Your mom make You scare a lot with "Turks" when You were a little pussy kid?

Now go back and apply some enema bag in Your dirty butt hole, You gave us enough stink here

You are so pathetic, you little cocked Turkish kebab

AtlantisCash · 03-29-2009, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PussyMan

You are so pathetic, you little cocked Turkish kebab

lol You hurted?

Next time i will put some cream around my cock promise

David! · 03-29-2009, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by AtlantisCash

lol You hurted?

Next time i will put some cream around my cock promise

What's up with all the edited post?
You're too dumb to write it right the first time?

collegeboobies · 03-29-2009, 03:13 PM

will never happen

03-28-2009, 04:28 PM	#1
Rangermoore Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: EVERYWHERE Posts: 1,541	Spanish court considers trying former US officials MADRID, ? A Spanish court has agreed to consider opening a criminal case against six former Bush administration officials, including former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, over allegations they gave legal cover for torture at Guantanamo Bay, a lawyer in the case said Saturday. Human rights lawyers brought the case before leading anti-terror judge Baltasar Garzon, who agreed to send it on to prosecutors to decide whether it had merit, Gonzalo Boye, one of the lawyers who brought the charges, told The Associated Press. The ex-Bush officials are Gonzales; former undersecretary of defense for policy Douglas Feith; former Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff David Addington; Justice Department officials John Yoo and Jay S. Bybee; and Pentagon lawyer William Haynes. Yoo declined to comment. A request for comment left with Feith through his Hudson Institute e-mail address was not immediately returned. Spanish law allows courts to reach beyond national borders in cases of torture or war crimes under a doctrine of universal justice, though the government has recently said it hopes to limit the scope of the legal process. Garzon became famous for bringing charges against former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet in 1998, and he and other Spanish judges have agreed to investigate alleged abuses everywhere from Tibet to Argentina's "dirty war," El Salvador and Rwanda. Still, the country's record in prosecuting such cases has been spotty at best, with only one suspect extradited to Spain so far. When a similar case was brought against Israeli officials earlier this year, Foreign Minister Miguel Angel Moratinos assured his Israeli counterpart that the process would be quashed. Even if indictments are eventually handed down against the U.S. officials, it is far from clear whether arrests would ever take place. The officials would have to travel outside the United States and to a country willing to take them into custody before possible extradition to Spain. The officials are charged with providing a legal cover for interrogation methods like waterboarding against terrorism suspects at Guantanamo, which the Spanish human rights lawyers say amounted to torture. Yoo, for instance, wrote a series of secret memos that claimed the president had the legal authority to circumvent the Geneva Conventions. President George W. Bush always denied the U.S. tortured anyone. The U.S. has acknowledged that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the self-described plotter of Sept. 11, and a few other prisoners were waterboarded at secret CIA prisons before being taken to Guantanamo, but the Bush administration insisted that all interrogations were lawful. Boye said he expected the National Court to take the case forward, and dismissed concerns that it would harm bilateral relations between the two countries. He said that some of the victims of the alleged torture were Spaniards, strengthening the argument for Spanish jurisdiction. "When you bring a case like this you can't stop to make political judgments as to how it might affect bilateral relations between countries," he told the AP." It's too important for that." Boye noted that the case was brought not against interrogators who might have committed crimes but by the lawyers and other high-placed officials who gave cover for their actions. "Our case is a denunciation of lawyers, by lawyers, because we don't believe our profession should be used to help commit such barbarities," he said. Another lawyer with detailed knowledge of the case told the AP that Garzon's decision to consider the charges was "a significant first step." The lawyer spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk to the media. There was no immediate comment from Garzon or the government. The judge's decision to send the case against the American officials to prosecutors means it will proceed, at least for now. Prosecutors must now decide whether to recommend a full-blown investigation, though Garzon is not bound by their decision. The proceedings against the Bush Administration officials could be embarrassing for Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, who has been keen to improve ties with the United States after frosty relations during the Bush Administration. __________________

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Jdoughs Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Great White North Posts: 5,794	If they were torturing or covering it up, they deserve a day in court. You guys like to play the judge jury and executioner for the rest of the world. Its only fitting you are held to the same standards. Maybe we will be lucky and they will start hanging some of those fuckers. __________________ LinkSpun - Premier Adult Link Trading Community - ICQ - 464/\281/\250 Be Seen By New Webmasters/Affiliates * Target out webmasters/affiliates based on niches your sites are for less than $20 a month. AmeriNOC - Proudly hosted @ AmeriNOC!

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Rangermoore Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: EVERYWHERE Posts: 1,541	It seems that the USA is the worlds police force...Who else is going to do it? Who else CAN do it? spain, mexico, france, uk, europe, china, canada, without the USA most other countrys would not exist. if they don't like it then they step up and try and help out insted of always running to the USA for help with everything. BTW the USA sets the standard for the rest of the world. Lead follow or get the fuck out of the way. __________________

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Rangermoore Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: EVERYWHERE Posts: 1,541	Hey Tony404, you were there? You know they were innocent? If it gets info out of them then we should use ANY means to extract info if it will help protect American lives. __________________

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IllTestYourGirls Ah My Balls Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Under the gold leaf ICQ 388-454-421 Posts: 14,311	If the USA were not the policemen of the world there never would have been a 9/11. That is pretty much fact. Unlike the propagandists that blame our freedoms and the American people for getting attacked I am putting blame where it belongs, the American politicians both left and right. __________________

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Mr Pheer So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 21,582	Some terrorist suspects got waterboarded. Boohoo. Cry me a river.

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Rangermoore Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: EVERYWHERE Posts: 1,541	But the europeans can't act as one. Besides, europe would not exist if the US did not conquer hitler and japan in a little thing called WWII. Once again America to the rescue.. __________________

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Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	And this is why everytime the US goes to war they fuck things up. They send tons of retards like you to war zones. Dumb fucking rednecks who love to play with guns and shoot anything that's not American. Ever wonder why the rest of the world thinks they way to do about America? Because of white trash like you.

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Rangermoore Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: EVERYWHERE Posts: 1,541	LOL.....I love to stir the shit....LOL

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DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	They are stupid. Only the American government can hold the rest of the world accountable, not the other way around. Morons. Duh. El stupido.

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cykoe6 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vegas Posts: 4,499	Spain is no doubt overstepping here but the results will likely be a bunch of sound and fury followed by nothing. Spain would have to make some serious social benefit cuts if they had to provide for their own defense. Additionally the populace and government are world renowned for the cowardice that they showed after the Madrid attacks, so their ability to defend themselves seems tenuous at best. I would guess they will tuck their tails and play nice with the US sooner rather than later. If you consider Spain's unemployment rate is already 14% and its workforce is notorious for its laziness and low productivity I would think that they might be better served to focus inward on their own internal problems. __________________ бабки, шлюхи, сила

03-29-2009, 11:24 AM	#31
Splum Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 6,195	LOL@all the liberals acting tough in this thread. You pussy bitches couldnt fight your way out of a chip bag, bunch of fucking fat ass losers.

03-29-2009, 11:31 AM	#32
CyberHustler Masterbaiter Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 26,932

03-29-2009, 11:58 AM	#33
Rangermoore Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: EVERYWHERE Posts: 1,541	Right on Blazed...lol...I am not serious, just like to get things worked up a bit...lol..Some people are tooooo easy to get worked up... __________________ Last edited by Rangermoore; 03-29-2009 at 11:59 AM..

03-29-2009, 12:01 PM	#34
Rangermoore Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: EVERYWHERE Posts: 1,541	Besides a little debate never hurts...Life would be boring if someone did not make us think once in awhile... __________________

03-29-2009, 01:59 PM	#42
Mr Pheer So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 21,582	I guess when the guys in Spain started this lawsuit shit, they forgot about the terrorist attacks on their trains. I'm sure they wouldnt be so concerned that some terrorist suspects got waterboarded if they had remembered their own people being killed.

03-29-2009, 02:05 PM	#43
Rangermoore Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: EVERYWHERE Posts: 1,541	Thanks Mr Pheer.... You said it all.... __________________

03-29-2009, 03:13 PM	#50
collegeboobies So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,644	will never happen