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wjxxx · 02-08-2009, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt 26z

How did that war on torrent sites end up?

European ISPs started to block P2P traffic. IMO torents will be dead in the end of 2009

Evil-Dan · 02-08-2009, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by fatfoo

Perhaps we can all agree to stop trading traffic with tube sites. Stop putting ads on tube sites, stop doing business with tube sites, stop sponsoring tube sites, etc. Combined with public messages of hate and damnation for tube sites.

as long as someone can make $1 from working with a tube site, your idea wont work

Evil-Dan · 02-08-2009, 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wjxxx

The solution is very simple: law suit

They are not protected by the safe harbor provision because their staff decide which videos will be listed and which not.

The problem is biggest players in this industry don`t give a fuck about tube sites and still sell xsales to Brazzers

Legal actions against so many is another idea with zero merit

alias · 02-08-2009, 07:57 AM

Kill them with kindness.

Evil-Dan · 02-08-2009, 08:01 AM

Let me be very clear

This community must have folks who have come up with evil/nasty/vicious ways of dealing with the tubes

Lets keep this an in-house thing, and figure out how to deal some death blows

To do that, we need to create ideas.

Then certain people I know will put the better plans into action

Fuck the pricks who are killing our industry by giving away free content

Fuck the bastards who make money from the tubes

Enough already!

There is a gargantuan amount of people out there who want porn. And if their only way of getting good quality porn is to pay for it. They will

"WE" have to do something about this, as no one else will.

This industry wont get a bail out

This industry wont get fuck all protection from anyone

So - if you have good ideas - at least sign up for an anonymous sig and drop your idea

or ICQ me (92462894) and tell me the idea and I wil post it up for you

wjxxx · 02-08-2009, 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evil-Dan

Legal actions against so many is another idea with zero merit

Do you know what precedent is ? If one of tube sites lose the case other tubes will lose every next case.

Evil-Dan · 02-08-2009, 08:25 AM

Oh - and let me be clear

I am only talking about Tube sites that obviously trade and profit from other peoples content.

If you want to give your content away, with your own Tube system then all power to you

Last night I spoke to four of my friends (who aren't in the biz) by phone and asked them where they get their porn.

They all said they cruise tube sites and they are so happy coz they don't have to pull out a credit card anymore. Three of them already have active memberships at dating sites and none of them wanted to use a cam site (unless it was free).

I then asked them if they used Peer to Peer networks, and two said they had but the content was always the same. Apparently the tubes update so well in their opinions.

And then I asked them about Torrents. Only one of my friends had tried using torrents, and he said it was hard for him to set up and he was always worried that he would get in trouble having the software on his computer, and his wife would catch him out. Accessing free porn via the tubes was so much easier and there was no danger from the wife or possibly even getting viruses

Evil-Dan · 02-08-2009, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by wjxxx

Do you know what precedent is ? If one of tube sites lose the case other tubes will lose every next case.

BS - Many of the tubes are hidden behind corporate entities with owners based in countries we wouldn't even fly too to get a new kidney

Unless you have a specific plan that doesn't require a million dollars to beat down a few sites, please let us know

HorseShit · 02-08-2009, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by alias

Kill them with kindness.

kamasutrababe · 02-08-2009, 08:38 AM

How about creating a tube site that just iframes other tube sites' videos, wasting their bandwidth, like this guy is doing...

http://www.adulttube.info/s.php?q=a&x=43&y=18&vsid=18

wjxxx · 02-08-2009, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evil-Dan

BS - Many of the tubes are hidden behind corporate entities with owners based in countries we wouldn't even fly too to get a new kidney

That`s BS. Biggest tube sites like youporn.com, redtube.com, pornhub.com are owned, registered and hosted by US or CA corporations.

The problem is not newhardcoreporntube.com with no traffic, the problem is youporn - 35 in Alexa Top100, redtube - 49 in Alexa and pornhub - 138.

SteveHardeman · 02-08-2009, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evil-Dan

Let me be very clear

This community must have folks who have come up with evil/nasty/vicious ways of dealing with the tubes

Lets keep this an in-house thing, and figure out how to deal some death blows

To do that, we need to create ideas.

Then certain people I know will put the better plans into action

Fuck the pricks who are killing our industry by giving away free content

Fuck the bastards who make money from the tubes

Enough already!

There is a gargantuan amount of people out there who want porn. And if their only way of getting good quality porn is to pay for it. They will

"WE" have to do something about this, as no one else will.

This industry wont get a bail out

This industry wont get fuck all protection from anyone

So - if you have good ideas - at least sign up for an anonymous sig and drop your idea

or ICQ me (92462894) and tell me the idea and I wil post it up for you

Conglomerate of webmasters who, together, spend $10,000 per month sending the shitiest, most worthless Chinese traffic they can find to all the large tube sites?

Conglomerate of webmasters who, together, hire a team of off-shore hackers to make life miserable for the tube sites and their hosts?

You asked for brain-storming, there you go. Someone find a way to turn those ideas into something that will actually work and won't get me arrested and let me know where to send my check. :-)

Paul Markham · 02-08-2009, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by FightThisPatent

- post up non-adult, non-copyrighted material. The non-copyrighted part is essential, because you don't want to do an act of copyright infringement. put up clips that you created yourself is the safest.

the intent behind this:

- to catch them making editorial decisions that therefore violates "safe habor".

some tube sites will run a craigslist-like self-policing system, where users can flag a video as not being appropriate. after so many flags, a video can be knocked offline for admin review.

putting up lots of non-adult clips, could just get wiped out by a community action, but that would be case only if there was such self-policing audits. if there isn't, then it forces the tube site to do some re-coding to put it in place.

the sites that don't have this function, will end up having the non-adult stuff "pollute" the listings.

if the admins start editing out themselves, then there might be some potential action.. BUT...

only copyright holders can make the case against a tube site..

so a copyright owner who has seen their content on a tube site, has done the DMCA thing already, and is feeling frustrated.. they could try the above tactic on a tube site that doesn't have any self-policing and see if the non-adult videos come down.

if so, then the next step is to get your attorneys involved and figure out how much its going to cost you to sue them.

those that aren't copyright owners, would just end up annoying the tube sites, which is in a way, like cyberbullying....

whether through DMCA compliance, self-policing, hosting in a country that doesn't respect US copyright law,etc.. there will always be ways that the tube sites continue to survive..they are the mass market cockroaches, followed behind by their bit-torrent cousins.

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for copyright owners, best bet, watermark all of your videos with your website. atleast get some exposure while your videos are being stolen.

Fight the copyright vigilantes!

The flaw in your theory are obvious. Tubes not based in the US are not subject to 2257, Copyright holders need to take Tube sites to court one at a time and make the case against each one.

Paul Markham · 02-08-2009, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Libertine

Tough luck. It's the only way to do it.

Here's the problem:
- they can legally do what they're doing
- they can make a profit doing it

Given those two factors, it will not stop.

To stop it, you need to change one of the factors. Since eliminating their profits is impossible, the legality of what they need to do needs to be addressed.

The copyright route looks promising at first glance, but when you realize that many could survive even on bought content, and that copyright is hard to police to begin with, it fails.

So, you're left with the "protect the children" route.

I think you're wrong. The protecting the children angle will only work if the US blocks sites that don't conform. Will they pass the law banning porn outside members area and blocks sites that break that law? Not likely.

So we're left with the profit angle.

We need to realise Tubes don't exist to give away content, they exist to sell and make a profit. Traffic and free porn has to be paid for by dating, web cams and up sells to sites. The sites are probably bearing the cost of the Tubes with Dating and Web cams up sells.

So we need to get away from the model of a paysite just being a place to download videos. We need to target the surfers on Tubes who are paying the bills of Tube sites. The guys buying Dating and Web Cams.

Put live shows, live web cam girls and dating sites inside the members area. Do it for free and sell a 1-1 web cam for a price the people who buy this service will never buy it from a site that has to charge them enough to support the Tubes and their 1,000s who will never spend a penny.

Live web cam girls here in CZ are earning 20 to 40 Euros a day. Having round the clock girls would cost a site 100 Euros a day 3,000 a month. A big site can afford it and the small sites needs to club together and share a girl. The up sells will pay for it, but upsell for 1/3 of what the normal ones cost.

Remember there is no affiliate payments to drive thousands of surfers for a few to buy. The cost/profit is between the company running the girls, the girl and the paysite. The paysite affiliates will appreciate the extra bonus to sell to his surfers.

Does it work?
After two weeks of testing it on my site I'm about to tell the affiliates and get them to push it hard. It's working.

Paul Markham · 02-08-2009, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Evil-Dan

as long as someone can make $1 from working with a tube site, your idea wont work

And there is the key to the solution.

So far we've had 2 legal solutions that will never get off the ground. No one with the money will take on the tubes in court time after time so the rest of us benefit and we won't help. The Germans have a law about selling to under age people and it does not work. Waiting for congress to block sites is not going to work either.

As long as someone can make a buck running a Tube site they will exist and legal or not they will take customers. So the solution is to make them unprofitable. I'm about to go into the most horrendous chapter of my life and I'm doing something. Who here is prepared to do the same and see if it works better than the to ideas we've had so far?

Try to take the profits out of Tubes, send traffic to sites trying to do it and see if it works. One site doing it will not work, 1,000 will.

1 affiliate supporting the move will not do it, 10,000 supporting it will.

We need to get the 1 person in 500 who goes to a Tube site to think we have a better deal for him. Move that guy and the BW bill will kill Tubes. 499 free loaders are an expense not an asset.

Evil-Dan · 02-08-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by wjxxx

That`s BS. Biggest tube sites like youporn.com, redtube.com, pornhub.com are owned, registered and hosted by US or CA corporations.

The problem is not newhardcoreporntube.com with no traffic, the problem is youporn - 35 in Alexa Top100, redtube - 49 in Alexa and pornhub - 138.

OK - You know that these URL's are owned by US corporations and citizens how?

I once went up against a website legally

It was owned by a US corporation

That corporation was owned by an offshore trust

That trust was further owned by another offshore entity

The legal bills to just get rolling were so high I had to give up

Can you explain to me how you can tackle multiple websites legally without putting up a major bank roll?

Ozarkz · 02-08-2009, 11:53 AM

You guys are SOO fucking out of the loop when it comes to "illegal" tubes just stfu about it.

Hackers don't give a fuck about stopping free porn.

rofl.

Unless you are already involved in the "hacker" community and are actually respected.. and when I say respected I mean the equivalent to Eric on GFY. Don't go fucking talking to hackers about anything like this. They will attack YOU instead.

The people who run the tubes are a lot more respected then some jackass trying to make $1000 a month spamming porn on the web.

Ozarkz · 02-08-2009, 11:55 AM

Double Post.

Evil-Dan · 02-08-2009, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozarkz

You guys are SOO fucking out of the loop when it comes to "illegal" tubes just stfu about it.

Hackers don't give a fuck about stopping free porn.

rofl.

Unless you are already involved in the "hacker" community and are actually respected.. and when I say respected I mean the equivalent to Eric on GFY. Don't go fucking talking to hackers about anything like this. They will attack YOU instead.

The people who run the tubes are a lot more respected then some jackass trying to make $1000 a month spamming porn on the web.

do you make money with tubes?

SomeCreep · 02-08-2009, 12:06 PM

Aint no bleeding what don't got blood. Aint no killing the undead.

Ozarkz · 02-08-2009, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Evil-Dan

do you make money with tubes?

Not at the moment but I do hit a large group of them daily to check updates. The tube idea is genius. It made watching free porn easier for the surfer. It doesn't even matter if the clips are 5 or 30 seconds the surfer can lay back and click click click till he gets tired or forgets to relax and busts.

It used to be more annoying to watch free porn.

*shrug*

I'd like to talk to the hacker that wants to be known for taking down xvideos or tube8 or redtube. He's got balls.

Ozarkz · 02-08-2009, 12:28 PM

Fuck 3 minute edit... So lets say the site gets hacked.. It will be back online the next day.. Next month, whatever it will be back.. Can't keep attacking it for the rest of your life..

Ozarkz · 02-08-2009, 12:49 PM

Libertine says lets get the courts and government involved.

That is really what needs to happen. The government needs to take piracy more seriously.

They need to shut sites, hosts, isps down for pirated content and this needs to happen world wide.

They need to treat anyone that hosts or runs a site with pirated content like they would a cocaine or heroin dealer.

Go in and fucking shut the crack house down.

but.. this would never happen..

Edit: Oh and some of these "illegal" tube sites are completely legal.

Lamis · 02-08-2009, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Zester

torrents, rapidshare etc are not as easy to find as tube sites.
tube sites appear #1 on google on every fucking related search term.
the surfer that searched for porn and found a tube site is different from the surfer that actually searched for the torrent - he already knows, the surfer turned tuber is a sale lost

You keep ignoring our real thread .

Forums with rapidshare links have a constant number of 20,000 online users at every hour of the day...

Thats 20 times the number of online users GFY has...

And I'm talking about hundreds of forums!

Anyway, webmasters are NEVER going to see the real picture here. I'm totally convinced by now. Even if you hit them in the head with a hammer, they are NEVER going to understand the problem. The ruined adult biz has no solution. Webmasters are self-destructive.

$5 submissions · 02-08-2009, 03:13 PM

Another way to look at this is to view it as an evolutionary challenge. How can the static online content publishing world monetize piracy--one possible approach: focus on interactivity. Use the stuff being stolen to brand the site. On the site, sell stuff that can't be stolen--interactivity or time-specific stuff or custom stuff.

Lamis · 02-08-2009, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by wjxxx

European ISPs started to block P2P traffic. IMO torents will be dead in the end of 2009

lol.. that was in 2004...

torrents were never so developed as they are today... and they will become even bigger, more developed and faster.

the number of world seeds, increase exponentially, day after day...

Most webmasters should think abot moving on to another business.

d-null · 02-08-2009, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wjxxx

That`s BS. Biggest tube sites like youporn.com, redtube.com, pornhub.com are owned, registered and hosted by US or CA corporations.

The problem is not newhardcoreporntube.com with no traffic, the problem is youporn - 35 in Alexa Top100, redtube - 49 in Alexa and pornhub - 138.

yes, and many affiliates here still send alot of traffic to the people that run those tubes

and sigwhores running design companies praise and suck up to the hosting companies that host those tube sites

it just goes on and on

many of these people don't give a fuck about the industry and want to grab whatever they can while they can

gideongallery · 02-08-2009, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wjxxx

Do you know what precedent is ? If one of tube sites lose the case other tubes will lose every next case.

or they will change their policy so that the precedent will not apply.
so far all the precedents have happened on the side of the tube site owners.

Libertine · 02-08-2009, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozarkz

Libertine says lets get the courts and government involved.

That is really what needs to happen. The government needs to take piracy more seriously.

They need to shut sites, hosts, isps down for pirated content and this needs to happen world wide.

They need to treat anyone that hosts or runs a site with pirated content like they would a cocaine or heroin dealer.

Go in and fucking shut the crack house down.

but.. this would never happen..

Edit: Oh and some of these "illegal" tube sites are completely legal.

Focusing on copyrights couldn't work, though, because no government would ever take action specifically to help the adult entertainment industry.

The "protect the children" angle, on the other hand, could be very productive. If some of the major porn brands teamed up to push that into the media, things would change in a matter of months.

Still... it won't happen, mainly because most adult companies are deathly afraid of the government.

AtlantisCash · 02-08-2009, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt 26z

How did that war on torrent sites end up?

i wish torrents will win and idiots that who supports gov control will suck hairy donkey balls.

d-null · 02-08-2009, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by AtlantisCash

i wish torrents will win and idiots that who supports gov control will suck hairy donkey balls.

Alot of people wish that the internet pipes stopped at the Turkish border, too

Dirty F · 02-08-2009, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Evil-Dan

may i suggest that we use this thread to come up with evil ideas to kill the tubes who are making money from stealing content

fuck the pricks who are killing the porn business

Maybe we should worry more about the dozens of big programs who are being used by 90% of gfy who kill this industry way faster than any tube site could ever do by screwing the customer out of 100's of dollars in hidden charges. Now that would be a great idea. BUT it won't happen because we like to cry a lot about stuff but when we can make money with it we suddenly don't care anymore.

AtlantisCash · 02-08-2009, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I think you're wrong. The protecting the children angle will only work if the US blocks sites that don't conform. Will they pass the law banning porn outside members area and blocks sites that break that law? Not likely.

So we're left with the profit angle.

We need to realise Tubes don't exist to give away content, they exist to sell and make a profit. Traffic and free porn has to be paid for by dating, web cams and up sells to sites. The sites are probably bearing the cost of the Tubes with Dating and Web cams up sells.

So we need to get away from the model of a paysite just being a place to download videos. We need to target the surfers on Tubes who are paying the bills of Tube sites. The guys buying Dating and Web Cams.

Put live shows, live web cam girls and dating sites inside the members area. Do it for free and sell a 1-1 web cam for a price the people who buy this service will never buy it from a site that has to charge them enough to support the Tubes and their 1,000s who will never spend a penny.

Live web cam girls here in CZ are earning 20 to 40 Euros a day. Having round the clock girls would cost a site 100 Euros a day 3,000 a month. A big site can afford it and the small sites needs to club together and share a girl. The up sells will pay for it, but upsell for 1/3 of what the normal ones cost.

Remember there is no affiliate payments to drive thousands of surfers for a few to buy. The cost/profit is between the company running the girls, the girl and the paysite. The paysite affiliates will appreciate the extra bonus to sell to his surfers.

Does it work?
After two weeks of testing it on my site I'm about to tell the affiliates and get them to push it hard. It's working.

it's just more and more free give away, nothing more;

if You do that then they will be selling pills, viagra, fleshlight and what so ever, if not, it will be something differant.

CyberHustler · 02-08-2009, 04:06 PM

Lamis · 02-08-2009, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I think you're wrong. The protecting the children angle will only work if the US blocks sites that don't conform. Will they pass the law banning porn outside members area and blocks sites that break that law? Not likely.

So we're left with the profit angle.

We need to realise Tubes don't exist to give away content, they exist to sell and make a profit. Traffic and free porn has to be paid for by dating, web cams and up sells to sites. The sites are probably bearing the cost of the Tubes with Dating and Web cams up sells.

So we need to get away from the model of a paysite just being a place to download videos. We need to target the surfers on Tubes who are paying the bills of Tube sites. The guys buying Dating and Web Cams.

Put live shows, live web cam girls and dating sites inside the members area. Do it for free and sell a 1-1 web cam for a price the people who buy this service will never buy it from a site that has to charge them enough to support the Tubes and their 1,000s who will never spend a penny.

Live web cam girls here in CZ are earning 20 to 40 Euros a day. Having round the clock girls would cost a site 100 Euros a day 3,000 a month. A big site can afford it and the small sites needs to club together and share a girl. The up sells will pay for it, but upsell for 1/3 of what the normal ones cost.

Remember there is no affiliate payments to drive thousands of surfers for a few to buy. The cost/profit is between the company running the girls, the girl and the paysite. The paysite affiliates will appreciate the extra bonus to sell to his surfers.

Does it work?
After two weeks of testing it on my site I'm about to tell the affiliates and get them to push it hard. It's working.

Dating in Adult, doesn't mean DATING... Real dating is match.com... Not these shitty sites like fling... that is FULL of FAKE Profiles...

How long do you think before a member cancels his suscription to fling and _NEVER comes back.. when he sees that all those FAKE profiles are just bullshit... he will go to sites like match.com...

Cams.. i still dont understand how a stupid person can waste 100 bucks in a pixelated cam, when he can get a real hooker for that... its just stupid... I really hope surfers wake up.. anyway, cams never converted for me... I even got signups in paysites when i did cams niche sites...

ADL Colin · 02-08-2009, 05:44 PM

You can't kill rock 'n roll. we're here to stay.

dav3 · 02-08-2009, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ADL Colin

You can't kill rock 'n roll. we're here to stay.

Are you saying your tube site is 'illegal'? Because I'm pretty sure it was clarified on page 1 that this thread was regarding 'illegal' tubes.

ExLust · 02-08-2009, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

If only someone would have thought of a thread earlier!

This place is a virtual intellectual think tank and we should be getting right to the meat of some very hardy ideas soon.

Thanks for stepping up to the plate, we need more people like you around. Really.

Lamis · 02-08-2009, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart

if you weren't a shemale, i would kiss you/....

good post tranny...

So, you fake forex spammer??

are you not going to answer??

$5 submissions · 02-09-2009, 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wjxxx

European ISPs started to block P2P traffic. IMO torents will be dead in the end of 2009

Either the torrents go down, the online movie business model changes, or (as seen with iTunes), a little of both?

C4W · 03-24-2009, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wjxxx

The solution is very simple: law suit

They are not protected by the safe harbor provision because their staff decide which videos will be listed and which not.

The problem is biggest players in this industry don`t give a fuck about tube sites and still sell xsales to Brazzers

I agree law suit and how to do that is simpel but it needs a little work. We make a trust fund we join and pay lets say 100$ per year. If we can get 1000 webmasters that will be a lot of money enugh to bring down some tubes and make other scared.

We hire a big law firm and start a law suit against 1 big tube at the time. Layer will do the work we pay. mabey we will even winn a case what do i know and that will need to pay us.

BetChips · 03-24-2009, 09:07 PM

Torrents have been around for years and they aren't going anywhere. Tube sites will only be affected if government steps in. I think companies should work with tubes to create a better business relationship, such as what nublies is doing.

Bored · 03-24-2009, 09:32 PM

ddos them all. can't be that hard

BFT3K · 03-24-2009, 10:15 PM

Two words: Monkey Livers

cgu · 03-24-2009, 11:13 PM

Why don't we make a tube bot and everyone on GFY and everyone that works for us, with us can run it 24x7 and it'll endlessly download and click on their advertising banners on their sites so
#1. their hosting will bottom out, possibly ring up a bill
#2. their blacklabelads / etc will have horrible ratios and force them out of the game / convince sponsors they are cheats since we click from same IPs 1000s of times

If we get like 10,000 computers runing 'Tube Killer' when you're not using your computer(s) we could probably cripple a few? Maybe that idea is out of date since bandwidth is essentially free...

WarChild · 03-24-2009, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cgu

Why don't we make a tube bot and everyone on GFY and everyone that works for us, with us can run it 24x7 and it'll endlessly download and click on their advertising banners on their sites so
#1. their hosting will bottom out, possibly ring up a bill
#2. their blacklabelads / etc will have horrible ratios and force them out of the game / convince sponsors they are cheats since we click from same IPs 1000s of times

If we get like 10,000 computers runing 'Tube Killer' when you're not using your computer(s) we could probably cripple a few? Maybe that idea is out of date since bandwidth is essentially free...

HeavenLeeGoddess · 03-24-2009, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cgu

Why don't we make a tube bot and everyone on GFY and everyone that works for us, with us can run it 24x7 and it'll endlessly download and click on their advertising banners on their sites so
#1. their hosting will bottom out, possibly ring up a bill
#2. their blacklabelads / etc will have horrible ratios and force them out of the game / convince sponsors they are cheats since we click from same IPs 1000s of times

If we get like 10,000 computers runing 'Tube Killer' when you're not using your computer(s) we could probably cripple a few? Maybe that idea is out of date since bandwidth is essentially free...

Barefootsies · 03-24-2009, 11:39 PM

1. Most web hosting companies have it spelled out in their TOS in regards to copyright ownership, the process, and removing offenders.

2. You do not need laws changed for piracy. You could use expansion, and need enforcement of 2257.

That is the solution to your problem. Regardless of off shore hosting. A lot, not all, of the biggest tubes are owned by U.S. companies. Once the FBI or whatever acronym starts knocking the dicks in of tube site owners who do not have 2257 docs, they can compound the charges with copyright infringement.

While the tube model in some shape or form may be here to stay. Tubes with stolen or illegal content are not going to have licenses, or 2257 docs to cover their asses. I do not care what closes them down. Jail for 2257 or copyright. But there are already things in place to close them if you really wanted to.

However, most of this board I see crying in their beer do nothing to stop it, and the others constantly, daily, posting these threads from what I can tell do not....

1. Own content.
2. Produce content.
3. Have never run pay sites.
4. Do not have the first clue on 2257, DMCA, how it works and what is required.

So basically,... they have no fucking clue what they are talking about and just enjoy getting people worked up over the same tired bullshit on a daily basis over some shit that could be handled to some degree with a few forms, phone calls, or annoymous tips to law enforcement of your choice.

Ozarkz · 03-24-2009, 11:46 PM

1) Hosts protect tubes.

2) Using law and government is not going to do anything the tube sites have too many legal loop holes.

3) xxxjay made a thread the other week and he owns content.

INever · 03-25-2009, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Libertine

I already posted the only possible way to stop the tubes a while ago:

Get a large group of major players in the industry to publicly and internationally call for more regulation on "child protection" online.

Wingnuts already want that to happen. If the porn industry speaks out in agreement, it will give out a clear sign that even the "perverts" think things are going too far - thus making it virtually impossible for even left-wing politicians to oppose more restrictions.

this is the answer

02-08-2009, 07:57 AM	#54
alias aliasx Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 19,010	Kill them with kindness. __________________ https://porncorporation.com

02-08-2009, 08:01 AM	#55
Evil-Dan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Lots of different places Posts: 464	Let me be very clear This community must have folks who have come up with evil/nasty/vicious ways of dealing with the tubes Lets keep this an in-house thing, and figure out how to deal some death blows To do that, we need to create ideas. Then certain people I know will put the better plans into action Fuck the pricks who are killing our industry by giving away free content Fuck the bastards who make money from the tubes Enough already! There is a gargantuan amount of people out there who want porn. And if their only way of getting good quality porn is to pay for it. They will "WE" have to do something about this, as no one else will. This industry wont get a bail out This industry wont get fuck all protection from anyone So - if you have good ideas - at least sign up for an anonymous sig and drop your idea or ICQ me (92462894) and tell me the idea and I wil post it up for you __________________ Evil Is As Evil Does

02-08-2009, 08:25 AM	#57
Evil-Dan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Lots of different places Posts: 464	Oh - and let me be clear I am only talking about Tube sites that obviously trade and profit from other peoples content. If you want to give your content away, with your own Tube system then all power to you Last night I spoke to four of my friends (who aren't in the biz) by phone and asked them where they get their porn. They all said they cruise tube sites and they are so happy coz they don't have to pull out a credit card anymore. Three of them already have active memberships at dating sites and none of them wanted to use a cam site (unless it was free). I then asked them if they used Peer to Peer networks, and two said they had but the content was always the same. Apparently the tubes update so well in their opinions. And then I asked them about Torrents. Only one of my friends had tried using torrents, and he said it was hard for him to set up and he was always worried that he would get in trouble having the software on his computer, and his wife would catch him out. Accessing free porn via the tubes was so much easier and there was no danger from the wife or possibly even getting viruses __________________ Evil Is As Evil Does

02-08-2009, 11:53 AM	#67
Ozarkz So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,377	You guys are SOO fucking out of the loop when it comes to "illegal" tubes just stfu about it. Hackers don't give a fuck about stopping free porn. rofl. Unless you are already involved in the "hacker" community and are actually respected.. and when I say respected I mean the equivalent to Eric on GFY. Don't go fucking talking to hackers about anything like this. They will attack YOU instead. The people who run the tubes are a lot more respected then some jackass trying to make $1000 a month spamming porn on the web. Last edited by Ozarkz; 02-08-2009 at 11:56 AM..

02-08-2009, 12:06 PM	#70
SomeCreep :glugglug Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where the Wild Things Are Posts: 26,118	Aint no bleeding what don't got blood. Aint no killing the undead. __________________ Webair Hosting I use and recommend Webair for hosting.

02-08-2009, 08:38 AM	#60
kamasutrababe Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 140	How about creating a tube site that just iframes other tube sites' videos, wasting their bandwidth, like this guy is doing... http://www.adulttube.info/s.php?q=a&x=43&y=18&vsid=18

02-08-2009, 11:55 AM	#68
Ozarkz So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,377	Double Post.

02-08-2009, 12:28 PM	#72
Ozarkz So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,377	Fuck 3 minute edit... So lets say the site gets hacked.. It will be back online the next day.. Next month, whatever it will be back.. Can't keep attacking it for the rest of your life..

02-08-2009, 12:49 PM	#73
Ozarkz So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,377	Libertine says lets get the courts and government involved. That is really what needs to happen. The government needs to take piracy more seriously. They need to shut sites, hosts, isps down for pirated content and this needs to happen world wide. They need to treat anyone that hosts or runs a site with pirated content like they would a cocaine or heroin dealer. Go in and fucking shut the crack house down. but.. this would never happen.. Edit: Oh and some of these "illegal" tube sites are completely legal. Last edited by Ozarkz; 02-08-2009 at 12:53 PM..

02-08-2009, 03:13 PM	#75
$5 submissions I help you SUCCEED Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Pearl of the Orient Seas Posts: 32,195	Another way to look at this is to view it as an evolutionary challenge. How can the static online content publishing world monetize piracy--one possible approach: focus on interactivity. Use the stuff being stolen to brand the site. On the site, sell stuff that can't be stolen--interactivity or time-specific stuff or custom stuff. __________________ Need a NON-ADULT income stream? We build your YOUTUBE CHANNEL for only $20 per video! For Hire: $3/hour or $400 per month Marketing Specialist Virtual Assistants

02-08-2009, 04:06 PM	#84
CyberHustler Masterbaiter Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 27,835	__________________ “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

02-08-2009, 05:44 PM	#86
ADL Colin Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Tube Titans, USA Posts: 11,929	You can't kill rock 'n roll. we're here to stay. __________________ Adult Date Link - $50 PPS starting NOW! -- good and JUICY! skype = "adultdatelink"

03-24-2009, 09:07 PM	#92
BetChips Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 643	Torrents have been around for years and they aren't going anywhere. Tube sites will only be affected if government steps in. I think companies should work with tubes to create a better business relationship, such as what nublies is doing.

03-24-2009, 09:32 PM	#93
Bored Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 1,011	ddos them all. can't be that hard __________________ If Satan Wore a Hairpeice, there would be HELL TOUPEE!! HTML Porn pbbc fo li

03-24-2009, 10:15 PM	#94
BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	Two words: Monkey Livers

03-24-2009, 11:13 PM	#95
cgu Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 188	Why don't we make a tube bot and everyone on GFY and everyone that works for us, with us can run it 24x7 and it'll endlessly download and click on their advertising banners on their sites so #1. their hosting will bottom out, possibly ring up a bill #2. their blacklabelads / etc will have horrible ratios and force them out of the game / convince sponsors they are cheats since we click from same IPs 1000s of times If we get like 10,000 computers runing 'Tube Killer' when you're not using your computer(s) we could probably cripple a few? Maybe that idea is out of date since bandwidth is essentially free... __________________ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_action

03-24-2009, 11:39 PM	#98
Barefootsies Choice is an Illusion Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Land of Obama Posts: 42,635	1. Most web hosting companies have it spelled out in their TOS in regards to copyright ownership, the process, and removing offenders. 2. You do not need laws changed for piracy. You could use expansion, and need enforcement of 2257. That is the solution to your problem. Regardless of off shore hosting. A lot, not all, of the biggest tubes are owned by U.S. companies. Once the FBI or whatever acronym starts knocking the dicks in of tube site owners who do not have 2257 docs, they can compound the charges with copyright infringement. While the tube model in some shape or form may be here to stay. Tubes with stolen or illegal content are not going to have licenses, or 2257 docs to cover their asses. I do not care what closes them down. Jail for 2257 or copyright. But there are already things in place to close them if you really wanted to. However, most of this board I see crying in their beer do nothing to stop it, and the others constantly, daily, posting these threads from what I can tell do not.... 1. Own content. 2. Produce content. 3. Have never run pay sites. 4. Do not have the first clue on 2257, DMCA, how it works and what is required. So basically,... they have no fucking clue what they are talking about and just enjoy getting people worked up over the same tired bullshit on a daily basis over some shit that could be handled to some degree with a few forms, phone calls, or annoymous tips to law enforcement of your choice. __________________ Should You Email Your Members? Link1 \| Link2 \| Link3 Enough Said. "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?" Last edited by Barefootsies; 03-24-2009 at 11:42 PM..

03-24-2009, 11:46 PM	#99
Ozarkz So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,377	1) Hosts protect tubes. 2) Using law and government is not going to do anything the tube sites have too many legal loop holes. 3) xxxjay made a thread the other week and he owns content.