How many pople left this biz recently and were forced to get a real job ? - GoFuckYourself.com

polish_aristocrat · 03-19-2009, 09:32 AM

know of any?

I guess lots of people are leaving, but 95% of them leave silently...

Reak AGV · 03-19-2009, 09:32 AM

Not sure how many, did you Polish?

Barefootsies · 03-19-2009, 09:34 AM

I am sure it's not easy to go from ballin smokin phatties, driving in lambos with supermodels, and then having to return back to head fry cook.

a bump for the polish toots.

Scott McD · 03-19-2009, 09:35 AM

You mean this isn't a real job ?? ;-)

polish_aristocrat · 03-19-2009, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reak AGV

Not sure how many, did you Polish?

no way, but if i ever leave the biz, I'll surely leave GFY as well

in fact, I might leave GFY sooner, kinda bored with it lately

edit: just had this thought... i talk to lots people and 80% of them complain how hard it is in online adult nowadays...

EscortBiz · 03-19-2009, 09:36 AM

many and many more will, they all fit the same profile, they think short term, promote based on PPS and hype and do not listen to people offering genuine help.

in every industry adult or mainstream the sheep die quick, doing things because everyone else is has always created disasters, buying a home because your friend did and promoting dating sites because everyone else does etc etc is the foundation of failure.

polish_aristocrat · 03-19-2009, 09:38 AM

I don't think if someone realizes the money isn't the same anymore in this, then he'll just make a GFY thread "i am leaving, I don't earn shit anymore"

he'll just leave without letting everyone know

Barefootsies · 03-19-2009, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

many and many more will, they all fit the same profile, they think short term, promote based on PPS and hype and do not listen to people offering genuine help.

in every industry adult or mainstream the sheep die quick, doing things because everyone else is has always created disasters, buying a home because your friend did and promoting dating sites because everyone else does etc etc is the foundation of failure.

hyperdrive · 03-19-2009, 09:41 AM

wait a minute.. there ARE other jobs other than this?! :P

but honestly, with the recession and all, there's not much biz to switch to..

polish_aristocrat · 03-19-2009, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

many and many more will, they all fit the same profile, they think short term, promote based on PPS and hype and do not listen to people offering genuine help.

in every industry adult or mainstream the sheep die quick, doing things because everyone else is has always created disasters, buying a home because your friend did and promoting dating sites because everyone else does etc etc is the foundation of failure.

this is true, but it's also a matter of this industry being in a crisis... or "maturing" as others might say

because back in the day, you COULD be doing the same as everyone (submitting some avarege galleries or whatever) and still make the big $$$ with it

Iron Fist · 03-19-2009, 10:12 AM

This is part time.... I don't think this will ever be full time...

PersianKitty · 03-19-2009, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott McD

You mean this isn't a real job ?? ;-)

Beat me to it!

candyflip · 03-19-2009, 10:13 AM

Headless had to get a job a while back, but then seemed to show up on the weekend to pick up odd jobs.

Haven't seen him around in a while, so maybe he's back to doing what it was that was going to get him out of adult.

slapass · 03-19-2009, 10:16 AM

I kind of did this in that I moved in real estate in a big way and it is now approaching 50% of my income. Sort of sliding out of porn.

baddog · 03-19-2009, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott McD

You mean this isn't a real job ?? ;-)

No kidding.

fuzebox · 03-19-2009, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sharphead

This is part time.... I don't think this will ever be full time...

Sucks to be you.

EscortBiz · 03-19-2009, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

this is true, but it's also a matter of this industry being in a crisis... or "maturing" as others might say

because back in the day, you COULD be doing the same as everyone (submitting some avarege galleries or whatever) and still make the big $$$ with it

100% everything is down it dont matter the niche the concept, if it involves people giving you money for anything you see a decline in sales.

You have to work harder and smarter in these days and even then you may not make any money to write home about.

Its crazy how quick things go down

Lamis · 03-19-2009, 11:13 AM

A LOT....

In the last 2 years, I calculated about 40% of the total adult webmasters quit this job and looked for another business as their main income.

During 2009, another 30% will leave the biz.

The crazy thing is that less competition has not increased sales... All the opposite.

If you want a thermometer, just check the forums... GFY has 50% less activity and less active users at any given time, than in 2006.

Videos Board and ThinkReel are COMPLETELY DEATH.

Time to move on, guys.

Deesnuts · 03-19-2009, 11:31 AM

i quit tattooing for this biz

geedub · 03-19-2009, 11:33 AM

the gravy train is sure over but there's still ways to have at it.

Barefootsies · 03-19-2009, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lamis

A LOT....

In the last 2 years, I calculated about 40% of the total adult webmasters quit this job and looked for another business as their main income.

During 2009, another 30% will leave the biz.

The crazy thing is that less competition has not increased sales... All the opposite.

If you want a thermometer, just check the forums... GFY has 50% less activity and less active users at any given time, than in 2006.

Videos Board and ThinkReel are COMPLETELY DEATH.

Time to move on, guys.

Interesting calculations.

polish_aristocrat · 03-19-2009, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lamis

A LOT....

In the last 2 years, I calculated about 40% of the total adult webmasters quit this job and looked for another business as their main income.

During 2009, another 30% will leave the biz.

The crazy thing is that less competition has not increased sales... All the opposite.

If you want a thermometer, just check the forums... GFY has 50% less activity and less active users at any given time, than in 2006.

Videos Board and ThinkReel are COMPLETELY DEATH.

Time to move on, guys.

that's the thing... not sure on the % numbers, but you're pretty much right I'm afraid

all the forums have been pretty much more active 2005-2006

just those who left, won't post anymore, and those who are still here, half of them are seeing a huge decline but are still doing this, while the other half are probably growing, because they are doing the right things (if you don't grow, you're in decline usually)

so when we do polls on GFY, lots of people are saying they are growing each year, but if you'd make the same poll among those who were here in 2005, 60% of them would be gone already I think

oh and another thing - all the programs are usually still saying "We are having record numbers all the time"...... but as I pointed out a while ago, there's a HUGEEE decrease in the number of new programs opened.... that should tell you something as well...

Barefootsies · 03-19-2009, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

that's the thing... not sure on the % numbers, but you're pretty much right I'm afraid

all the forums have been pretty much more active 2005-2006

just those who left, won't post anymore, and those who are still here, half of them are seeing a huge decline but are still doing this, while the other half are probably growing, because they are doing the right things (if you don't grow, you're in decline usually)

so when we do polls on GFY, lots of people are saying they are growing each year, but if you'd make the same poll among those who were here in 2005, 60% of them would be gone already I think

oh and another thing - all the programs are usually still saying "We are having record numbers all the time"...... but as I pointed out a while ago, there's a HUGEEE decrease in the number of new programs opened.... that should tell you something as well...

Honestly, I am not sure what the doom and gloom is for?

I would be happy to see another 60% of this industry gone and back to their McGriddles.

RyuLion · 03-19-2009, 11:52 AM

Never.........

I only have to work 3 hours max a day -btw

Lamis · 03-19-2009, 12:04 PM

BTW, they leave silently, because the average adult webmaster is too proud to say: "I'm not doing money anymore with galleries, what can I do"...

So, they prefer to leave rather than open a thread with that message in a forum...

Also, the average webmaster is not too smart to learn another business or alternatives to gallery submitting or blog/tube building... even a monkey can submit galleries, open a tube or open a few blogs with wordpress templates, is too easy...

that's why we had so much competition between 2004 and 2007... now the biz itself is kicking them out... only the stronger ones will survive and that's only a small group...

Learning a harder biz in mainstream, trading stocks or anything else, is out of the mass posibilities... thay want something easy.

Barefootsies · 03-19-2009, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lamis

thay want something easy.

Agreed.

Most people, adult online or not, are lazy apathetic fucks who appear to believe they are 'entitled' to success. No work required.

MrDeiz · 03-19-2009, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EscortBiz

in every industry adult or mainstream the sheep die quick, doing things because everyone else is has always created disasters, buying a home because your friend did and promoting dating sites because everyone else does etc etc is the foundation of failure.

the best opinion about the industry state for this time

and yes, i agree

polish_aristocrat · 03-20-2009, 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

I am sure it's not easy to go from ballin smokin phatties, driving in lambos with supermodels, and then having to return back to head fry cook.

not everyone who quits this needs to work for McD's, see below

I even know someone who's been doing porn as a student and is working as a doctor in a hospital now

Quote:

Originally Posted by slapass

I kind of did this in that I moved in real estate in a big way and it is now approaching 50% of my income. Sort of sliding out of porn.

Elixir · 03-20-2009, 07:37 AM

this is only real job !!!

Roby · 03-20-2009, 07:45 AM

now is really difficult to stay in adult... so much leve tis bissness i think

Paul Markham · 03-20-2009, 07:48 AM

I know a lot of shooters who have quit. Plus a lot of industry experts who know everything, sold up and work in the industry for others. Because the other people pay more. LOL

There have been lots of casulties recently. If you own content and want a steady income from it, hit me up I have a plan for you.

czarina · 03-20-2009, 07:49 AM

not me... business has been great for me this year.

IllTestYourGirls · 03-20-2009, 07:52 AM

I started working online because I saw the housing bubble was going to burst. So a few years ago I started pushing poker. Then the US gov decided to make that illegal to promote so I got into adult. Promoting poker was easier imo. Lets hope the dems lift the ban.

bobby666 · 03-20-2009, 09:48 AM

at least i am still here

starpimps · 03-20-2009, 09:50 AM

i left the industry to become pro stunt cock and towel boy

woj · 03-20-2009, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lamis

A LOT....

In the last 2 years, I calculated about 40% of the total adult webmasters quit this job and looked for another business as their main income.

During 2009, another 30% will leave the biz.

The crazy thing is that less competition has not increased sales... All the opposite.

If you want a thermometer, just check the forums... GFY has 50% less activity and less active users at any given time, than in 2006.

Videos Board and ThinkReel are COMPLETELY DEATH.

Time to move on, guys.

Ozarkz · 03-20-2009, 09:59 AM

All of my work used to come from Adult. Now 80% comes from more mainstream affiliate programs.

You can't pirate what they are selling.. *shrug* .... Nobody wants to pay for work in adult.. They rather get a half ass result for less money because in the end it doesn't matter.

MrLuvr · 03-20-2009, 10:00 AM

Maybe I am missing something but, if you work at it, it is not THAT hard to make money in porn. I will be the first one to admit that I make a miniscule amount of money in porn. But, that reflects the amount of work I have done. I don't complain that I make no money because I know why I don't.

It is not the industry, it is how much effort you put into it and learn as you go along.

I make enough each month for a small car payment off a few blogs I threw up a couple of years ago. If I multiplied that effort x100 or x1000 I could be making a lot of money in porn. I just have other things going on right now.

Klen · 03-20-2009, 10:09 AM

I will never leave this biz,ordinary full time job simply doesn't have any sense.Key to survive in this biz to be prepare to research new chances until you find what suits you best and what will work tomorrow.

Klen · 03-20-2009, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrLuvr

Maybe I am missing something but, if you work at it, it is not THAT hard to make money in porn. I will be the first one to admit that I make a miniscule amount of money in porn. But, that reflects the amount of work I have done. I don't complain that I make no money because I know why I don't.

It is not the industry, it is how much effort you put into it and learn as you go along.

I make enough each month for a small car payment off a few blogs I threw up a couple of years ago. If I multiplied that effort x100 or x1000 I could be making a lot of money in porn. I just have other things going on right now.

Yes there is still plenty of money in porn even with shitty situation as this one is.

RadicalSights · 03-20-2009, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

in fact, I might leave GFY sooner, kinda bored with it lately
...

I've seen nothing of real value come from this place... so far.

Seems like a big nonsense filled highschool.

seeric · 03-20-2009, 10:29 AM

im guessing a large percentage of people are gone or going that weren't cutting it. considering the offers i am getting for affiliate program stuff and special projects my only assumption can be that the talent pool is very thin at the moment.

RadicalSights · 03-20-2009, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozarkz

Nobody wants to pay for work in adult.. They rather get a half ass result for less money because in the end it doesn't matter.

You win the award.

DaddyHalbucks · 03-20-2009, 10:33 AM

If you can't make it in adult, you are in big trouble.

EthnicLover · 03-20-2009, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woj

Quote:

Originally Posted by RadicalSights

I've seen nothing of real value come from this place... so far.

Seems like a big nonsense filled highschool.

It is called Go Fuck Yourself.

x3xstudios_sam · 03-20-2009, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lamis

BTW, they leave silently, because the average adult webmaster is too proud to say: "I'm not doing money anymore with galleries, what can I do"...

So, they prefer to leave rather than open a thread with that message in a forum...

And this is why:

Quote:

Originally Posted by sharphead

This is part time.... I don't think this will ever be full time...

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuzebox

Sucks to be you.

People get attacked for acting like anything other than a mac daddy.

MetaMan · 03-20-2009, 10:38 AM

I dont see much of a change i see the same guys who are always successful still around. every year there are tons of casualties but they are the typical person who believes in the "get rich working from home" type deal.

those type of people have pipe dreams no matter what industry it is and said before in this thread by EB that they think short term. if you are willing to lay the ground work and work your way up i dont see how you can really fail? i mean on the internet once you understand basic traffic and testing you can really be successful at pushing almost any product.

i dont feel bad for these idiots who come in and tank, they are light years behind and if they are to stupid to see it that is their fault.

Barefootsies · 03-20-2009, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K

im guessing a large percentage of people are gone or going that weren't cutting it. considering the offers i am getting for affiliate program stuff and special projects my only assumption can be that the talent pool is very thin at the moment.

Very.....

UFGators2007 · 03-20-2009, 10:49 AM

Not anyone personally, but I have noticed several voices on the boards falling silent.

Klen · 03-20-2009, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RadicalSights

I've seen nothing of real value come from this place... so far.

Seems like a big nonsense filled highschool.

Use ffvb plugin from stuartd and voila you can turn this place into valuable business discussion place.

03-19-2009, 09:32 AM	#1
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03-19-2009, 09:38 AM	#7
polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 40,377	I don't think if someone realizes the money isn't the same anymore in this, then he'll just make a GFY thread "i am leaving, I don't earn shit anymore" he'll just leave without letting everyone know __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore.

03-19-2009, 09:41 AM	#9
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03-19-2009, 10:12 AM	#11
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03-19-2009, 10:13 AM	#13
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03-19-2009, 10:16 AM	#14
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03-19-2009, 11:13 AM	#18
Lamis So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 961	A LOT.... In the last 2 years, I calculated about 40% of the total adult webmasters quit this job and looked for another business as their main income. During 2009, another 30% will leave the biz. The crazy thing is that less competition has not increased sales... All the opposite. If you want a thermometer, just check the forums... GFY has 50% less activity and less active users at any given time, than in 2006. Videos Board and ThinkReel are COMPLETELY DEATH. Time to move on, guys.

03-19-2009, 11:31 AM	#19
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03-19-2009, 11:33 AM	#20
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03-19-2009, 11:52 AM	#24
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03-19-2009, 12:04 PM	#25
Lamis So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 961	BTW, they leave silently, because the average adult webmaster is too proud to say: "I'm not doing money anymore with galleries, what can I do"... So, they prefer to leave rather than open a thread with that message in a forum... Also, the average webmaster is not too smart to learn another business or alternatives to gallery submitting or blog/tube building... even a monkey can submit galleries, open a tube or open a few blogs with wordpress templates, is too easy... that's why we had so much competition between 2004 and 2007... now the biz itself is kicking them out... only the stronger ones will survive and that's only a small group... Learning a harder biz in mainstream, trading stocks or anything else, is out of the mass posibilities... thay want something easy. Last edited by Lamis; 03-19-2009 at 12:06 PM..

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03-20-2009, 07:48 AM	#31
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03-20-2009, 07:49 AM	#32
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03-20-2009, 07:52 AM	#33
IllTestYourGirls Ah My Balls Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Under the gold leaf ICQ 388-454-421 Posts: 14,311	I started working online because I saw the housing bubble was going to burst. So a few years ago I started pushing poker. Then the US gov decided to make that illegal to promote so I got into adult. Promoting poker was easier imo. Lets hope the dems lift the ban. __________________

03-20-2009, 09:48 AM	#34
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03-20-2009, 09:50 AM	#35
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03-20-2009, 09:59 AM	#37
Ozarkz So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,377	All of my work used to come from Adult. Now 80% comes from more mainstream affiliate programs. You can't pirate what they are selling.. shrug .... Nobody wants to pay for work in adult.. They rather get a half ass result for less money because in the end it doesn't matter.

03-20-2009, 10:00 AM	#38
MrLuvr Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 538	Maybe I am missing something but, if you work at it, it is not THAT hard to make money in porn. I will be the first one to admit that I make a miniscule amount of money in porn. But, that reflects the amount of work I have done. I don't complain that I make no money because I know why I don't. It is not the industry, it is how much effort you put into it and learn as you go along. I make enough each month for a small car payment off a few blogs I threw up a couple of years ago. If I multiplied that effort x100 or x1000 I could be making a lot of money in porn. I just have other things going on right now.

03-20-2009, 10:09 AM	#39
Klen Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Little Vienna Posts: 32,235	I will never leave this biz,ordinary full time job simply doesn't have any sense.Key to survive in this biz to be prepare to research new chances until you find what suits you best and what will work tomorrow.

03-20-2009, 10:29 AM	#42
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	im guessing a large percentage of people are gone or going that weren't cutting it. considering the offers i am getting for affiliate program stuff and special projects my only assumption can be that the talent pool is very thin at the moment.

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03-20-2009, 10:38 AM	#47
MetaMan I AM WEB 2.0 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,682	I dont see much of a change i see the same guys who are always successful still around. every year there are tons of casualties but they are the typical person who believes in the "get rich working from home" type deal. those type of people have pipe dreams no matter what industry it is and said before in this thread by EB that they think short term. if you are willing to lay the ground work and work your way up i dont see how you can really fail? i mean on the internet once you understand basic traffic and testing you can really be successful at pushing almost any product. i dont feel bad for these idiots who come in and tank, they are light years behind and if they are to stupid to see it that is their fault.

03-20-2009, 10:49 AM	#49
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