killing the tubes - ideas here and now
 

may i suggest that we use this thread to come up with evil ideas to kill the tubes who are making money from stealing content

fuck the pricks who are killing the porn business

If only someone would have thought of a thread earlier!

This place is a virtual intellectual think tank and we should be getting right to the meat of some very hardy ideas soon.

Thanks for stepping up to the plate, we need more people like you around. Really.

Lol, timeline pic needed.

Take a sledge hammer to where they host their servers.

To many "players" making money in the tube game..

Nothing to worry about... my tube is nearing completion and almost ready for full release and will put an end to all of them... not to mention kill off what's left of the biz :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

i lol'd hard.

It's pretty much a dead issue. Most of the damage has been done. It's just a matter of the market and industry shaking itself out in 2009.

It's pretty silly to think some kind of industry group will form to fight piracy.

You should upgrade to web 3.0 so tubes will be obsolete.

Whats tubes?

- post up non-adult, non-copyrighted material. The non-copyrighted part is essential, because you don't want to do an act of copyright infringement. put up clips that you created yourself is the safest.

the intent behind this:

- to catch them making editorial decisions that therefore violates "safe habor".

some tube sites will run a craigslist-like self-policing system, where users can flag a video as not being appropriate. after so many flags, a video can be knocked offline for admin review.

putting up lots of non-adult clips, could just get wiped out by a community action, but that would be case only if there was such self-policing audits. if there isn't, then it forces the tube site to do some re-coding to put it in place.

the sites that don't have this function, will end up having the non-adult stuff "pollute" the listings.

if the admins start editing out themselves, then there might be some potential action.. BUT...

only copyright holders can make the case against a tube site..

so a copyright owner who has seen their content on a tube site, has done the DMCA thing already, and is feeling frustrated.. they could try the above tactic on a tube site that doesn't have any self-policing and see if the non-adult videos come down.

if so, then the next step is to get your attorneys involved and figure out how much its going to cost you to sue them.

those that aren't copyright owners, would just end up annoying the tube sites, which is in a way, like cyberbullying....

whether through DMCA compliance, self-policing, hosting in a country that doesn't respect US copyright law,etc.. there will always be ways that the tube sites continue to survive..they are the mass market cockroaches, followed behind by their bit-torrent cousins.

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for copyright owners, best bet, watermark all of your videos with your website. atleast get some exposure while your videos are being stolen.



Fight the copyright vigilantes!

Just figured I'd click in to see if there was something here.

Planet earth called and they want you to return. :1orglaugh

you just violated the first rule of brainstorming.

and violated the 2nd rule, you can't criticize unless you come up with alternatives.



Fight the arm-chair!

I already posted the only possible way to stop the tubes a while ago:

Get a large group of major players in the industry to publicly and internationally call for more regulation on "child protection" online, both by banning non-documented user uploads for content (because they could possibly contain minors) and by legally restricting the availability of hardcore content without age verification.

Wingnuts already want that to happen. If the porn industry speaks out in agreement, it will give out a clear sign that even the "perverts" think things are going too far - thus making it virtually impossible for even left-wing politicians to oppose more restrictions.

Here's the link, by the way:
fucking-around-and-business-discussion/884538-heres-kill-illegal-tube-sites.html

Best response so far

I am prepared to back anything worthy - keep the ideas coming

tubes won't go away like TGP or MGP never went away. reward those who run legit tubes and blacklist those who don't. if no one advertises on illegal tubes bandwidth bills will either kill them or turn them legit.

YOU have it in your own hands.

the only problem is: as long as one single company does not care and keeps paying the illegal tubes for advertising this won't work

:2 cents:

I don't agree on pulling the fringe right into helping us with our internal fight. I already thought that one out and I didn't like it

It will never happen.. so I launched my own tube www.GotVideos.com

Tough luck. It's the only way to do it.

Here's the problem:
- they can legally do what they're doing
- they can make a profit doing it

Given those two factors, it will not stop.

To stop it, you need to change one of the factors. Since eliminating their profits is impossible, the legality of what they need to do needs to be addressed.

The copyright route looks promising at first glance, but when you realize that many could survive even on bought content, and that copyright is hard to police to begin with, it fails.

So, you're left with the "protect the children" route.

They already do make editorial decisions on every upload. Just contact them posing as an advertiser and they'll just admit it.

Doesn't matter. Nobody here is going to take legal action.

Perhaps we can all agree to stop trading traffic with tube sites. Stop putting ads on tube sites, stop doing business with tube sites, stop sponsoring tube sites, etc. Combined with public messages of hate and damnation for tube sites.

Killing a tgp is easier then killing a tube site, so Thank GOD Since the place is internet, You can do nothing, it means You will take the idea in the ass.

Bla Bla Bla...

Then what's next, closing to all adult sites wile using the 'Minor's protection'?

thats the most abused feeling these days.

idiots like You only thinking how to shut and forbid things, What about adaptation?

i bet some people were thinking the similar for tgps/mgps at end of the 90s.

Learn what the fuck is internet and adapt it, otherwise get the fuck out, plain and simple.

making editorial decisions does not automatically eliminate the safe harbor provision
could you imagine the stink if only way they could be protected by the safe harbor provision was to let kiddie porn be shown.

Youtube flags content that is adult in nature and still protected by the DMCA.
The vice versa of that would still be legitimate.

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Some things are worth adapting to, others are not. In the case of tubes, the future looks fairly bleak, since standards for content on tubes will inevitably rise, meaning paysites will get more and more irrelevant.

Adaptation, in this case, means fighting for a spot in an industry which will see its margins drop severely over the next few years.

So instead of adapting, why not use people's irrational paranoia over "the safety of the children" to our advantage?

Because it may be turning back to You like a boomerang,

everybody keep says about industry, but industry means isn't paysites, when You look at from the larger aspect, whole industry thing is interweb, there are no industries like neither Adult or Mainstream, if You follow the interweb, it means You following the industry.

Yea i also care for children as everybody do, but Parents should watch their kids, Not Me, i can only help them to how to control it wile providing the related parental control links and assisting them on my sites.

if You deal with internet and You say, there are things that You should adapt or not, then think one more time what Your doing.

excellent idea!

There are separate industries its not all one industry. And dont worry it may take awhile but they keep giving more and more full scenes away for free. Governments will start filtering us off the net. They move slow just give them time and then people will actually have the balls to say why are they picking on us.

Somebody make a new thread with this in it and make it stick.
If there would be a very very good legal tube for ya'll, not only for surfers, but for webmasters and sponsors too: BACK IT UP!

Sponsors should embrace those, maybe even put some budget in it, instead of sending money to the wrong people. Its the only way to break the circle and win any fight.

Oh and for everyone that thinks it cant be done, i will show you soon, and i HOPE everyone bitching about tubes will then support it!

its a great idea but for it to work you need longterm thinkers and this is an industry of short term thinkers.

Madness.

My argument isn't that children should actually be protected from tubes. It's that using that argument to influence legislation would be effective.

As for it getting turned around... unlikely. In fact, by making a clear move to show the world that the industry "cares", we'd be likely to gain support from moderates who are undecided on whether to restrict porn entirely or not.

Plus, with actual age verification and documentation for every model on every site, the argument of "protecting the children" would no longer apply.

As for what you said about having to adapt online... in this case, making the transition to mainstream is a rather easy way to avoid having to adapt to a business model that promises dropping margins for the next few years.

Tubes are not the problem...

Rapidshare, torrents and free forums with depositfiles links are...

Tubes represent only 1%, I repeat, 1 percent of the free content that Rapidshare links and torrents offer.

When are you people open your EYES?? WHEN ???

Just take a look at the amount of free content you can find in threads like these:

http://www.extreme-board.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=39133

Any imaginable Shemale movie is there in Full Screen and/or in high definition, available for download and not barely watchable via a sample flash movie in a pixelated dumb tubie.

And this is just an example, there are 100000 threads like those. Just to name one sponsor I know about, Tushycash complete site rips are in that forum or in other places like Planet Suzy. Are you ever going to OPEN YOUR EYES and see the real picture?

Everything is FOR FREE and nobody cares about it. Time to move on to another business, guys.

one easy step: stop trading traffic with them.

if you weren't a shemale, i would kiss you/....

good post tranny... :thumbsup

huh? where are you coming from?

is this related to the tranny Sarah Silverman?

double post

and how do you think that happened ? too many inbound links

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torrents, rapidshare etc are not as easy to find as tube sites.
tube sites appear #1 on google on every fucking related search term.
the surfer that searched for porn and found a tube site is different from the surfer that actually searched for the torrent - he already knows, the surfer turned tuber is a sale lost

How did that war on torrent sites end up?

Tubes are not the problem.

Webmasters with too rigid a business plan are the problem.

Get with the program and start offering something different

The solution is very simple: law suit

They are not protected by the safe harbor provision because their staff decide which videos will be listed and which not.

The problem is biggest players in this industry don`t give a fuck about tube sites and still sell xsales to Brazzers