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baddog · 01-04-2009, 04:32 PM

There is the argument that being gay is a "choice" while others suggest it is not a choice but rather you are "born gay."

Do you believe it is possible for a boy to be gay due to his upbringing?

PSSuperstars · 01-04-2009, 04:38 PM

I believe if all he is raised around are girlier things.. then he obviously grows a liking to those things.

I know mothers who've kept their sons from the fathers... and the mother was a hairdresser.. so the child grew up in the hair salon... and.. gay.

I think a father's presence plays a big part a lot of the time...

I do believe some people are just born that way. Their hormones are off...

But I also believe that some just end up liking that lifestyle because it's all they know or have been raised around.

Brujah · 01-04-2009, 04:39 PM

I haven't researched it and have no moral or religious thoughts on the matter, but I don't believe that anyone is born gay. I believe it's a choice and should be as acceptable as being straight.

hypedough · 01-04-2009, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

I haven't researched it and have no moral or religious thoughts on the matter, but I don't believe that anyone is born gay. I believe it's a choice and should be as acceptable as being straight.

+1000000 on that. It should be acceptable and we shouldn't have to be dealing with this Prop 8 shit.

polish_aristocrat · 01-04-2009, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

I haven't researched it and have no moral or religious thoughts on the matter, but I don't believe that anyone is born gay. I believe it's a choice and should be as acceptable as being straight.

it's a choice? you mean a 15 year old boy realizes he has no luck with the girls so he decided to find a boyfriend and get fucked in the ass?

EXPORT · 01-04-2009, 04:42 PM

I believe that to a great extent it is due to the upbringing and the people who surround a person and the influences one had while growing up.

One thing that confuses me is the gays acting like girls, the limp wrist and the feminine voice and the all tough real man gays...

Although I can only speak on what i have seen on TV

It does confuse me though

Sly · 01-04-2009, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

I haven't researched it and have no moral or religious thoughts on the matter, but I don't believe that anyone is born gay. I believe it's a choice and should be as acceptable as being straight.

Do you choose to be straight? I sure as hell don't... that's what I am. I never sat around and said "hmm, tits look pretty good... maybe I'll go that route."

Now some people I think are gay for attention (it sounds stupid, but I have a friend... I swear she isn't really gay)... but in general, I don't think it's a choice. There have been studies showing differences in brain activity between gay and straight people... what causes that, who knows.

The only thing I know is that I could not "choose" to be gay.

polish_aristocrat · 01-04-2009, 04:42 PM

I haven't researched this subject but last time I heard, the consensus was that people are actually born gay or straight

and upbringing plays a role in the minority of cases...

I might be wrong though

PSSuperstars · 01-04-2009, 04:44 PM

With the large amount of people who are born as other genders as a result of hormones... but are mentally "the other way"... I think it's completely plausible that they are born homosexual as well...

I have an overwhelming amount of testosterone for a chick... luckily that just means that I work all the time and am highly ambitious.. and have a huge sex drive.. I'm not gay. BUT having that over abundance of testosterone has affected my work ethic and sex.

I find it completely plausible that other fluctuations in hormones can change things too.

Brujah · 01-04-2009, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

it's a choice? you mean a 15 year old boy realizes he has no luck with the girls so he decided to find a boyfriend and get fucked in the ass?

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Originally Posted by Sly

Do you choose to be straight? I sure as hell don't... that's what I am. I never sat around and said "hmm, tits look pretty good... maybe I'll go that route."

Now some people I think are gay for attention (it sounds stupid, but I have a friend... I swear she isn't really gay)... but in general, I don't think it's a choice. There have been studies showing differences in brain activity between gay and straight people... what causes that, who knows.

The only thing I know is that I could not "choose" to be gay.

I believe it's a choice, and it's more likely influenced by environment or other but not written into your genes that you'll be gay or straight. Maybe you're equally likely to be either gay or straight but tend to be driven toward one or the other by societal norms and values.

I don't believe it's hardcoded into your genes and you are born with it.

PSSuperstars · 01-04-2009, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

I believe it's a choice, and it's more likely influenced by environment or other but not written into your genes that you'll be gay or straight. Maybe you're equally likely to be either gay or straight but tend to be driven toward one or the other by societal norms and values.

I don't believe it's hardcoded into your genes and you are born with it.

So you believe that the environment (nurturing) when younger affects the way the brain responds to things later on?

That very well could be so...

Being in phone sex, we get a LOT of clients who have closet gay fantasies... and when I probe (hehe) into their mind about their upbringing/background... a lot were either just raised by their mother... or have always been submissive/dominated by women in general... and a LOT have low testosterone levels. They stay straight because that's the norm.. but spend 200-300/week on exploiting their homosexual tendencies with either mistresses, phone girls, cam girls, or even secret downlow sex.

But then again.. where do the big hairy, grr, manly, bears come from? lol

AND...

with chicks...

Would a chick turn gay because she's never got the proper sort of reinforcement from men? Or she just in general enjoys it? I don't know if I know many GIRLS who are just gay just because.. if I stop and think about it.. most chicks I know who are gay.. have some sort of male trauma in their life.. or have a narcissistic personality that they enjoy exploiting on a weaker, abused female...

justinsain · 01-04-2009, 04:50 PM

I thought your sexual preference was predetermined at birth until I read the " Do you sit to pee " thread

teg0 · 01-04-2009, 04:56 PM

you'll find out pretty fast if you go around asking gays you know if they were born that way or became that way. Upbringing doesn't effect sexual preference.

PSSuperstars · 01-04-2009, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by teg0

you'll find out pretty fast if you go around asking gays you know if they were born that way or became that way.

But are they being true with themselves?
was there some emotional trauma first to cause it?

Okay so in the first grade he decides he likes little tommy.. instead of little susie..

BUT.. did they have a father in their life? Were they babied by their mother? what are their hormone levels?

I think for a test to be done.. there are so many variables that need to be controlled...

sortie · 01-04-2009, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

There is the argument that being gay is a "choice" while others suggest it is not a choice but rather you are "born gay."

Do you believe it is possible for a boy to be gay due to his upbringing?

Not happy with the choice you made?

DWB · 01-04-2009, 05:11 PM

I think some are born gay, some turn gay (for many reasons) and some try it just because they have done everything else and want to try something new. I mean, how do you know you don't like it until you try it?

baddog · 01-04-2009, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sortie

Not happy with the choice you made?

Unlike Sly, I did I did say, "hmm, tits look pretty good... maybe I'll go that route." But I was breastfed and her first kid. Not sure how my younger brothers dealt with it.

Dagwolf · 01-04-2009, 05:16 PM

It seems to me to be a genetic, hormonal thing in some cases at least.

As to whether someone who is NOT genetically predisposed to homosexuality can become gay, I don't know... but I suspect that it's a likely possibility.

WarChild · 01-04-2009, 05:17 PM

Homosexuality is nature's way of terminating evolutionary dead ends. Isn't that obvious?

2012 · 01-04-2009, 05:18 PM

wyldblyss · 01-04-2009, 05:22 PM

I don't think anyone has a choice of what they are. You are what you are. Like others have said, I never chose to be straight, I just am. One of my daughters best friends is gay. I have actually talked to him at great length regarding the subject. He said that he always knew he was different from his earliest memories. He was raised in a house with only brothers, standard mom and father, very good life. He said if he had a choice he would be straight, only because his family has such difficulty with him being gay and his mom refusing to believe that his "gayness" is just a stage and he will tire of it and get married and have kids like his siblings. He knows a lot of people do not accept him...he has said "why would anyone ever choose a life where a lot of the population looks down on you, where family is often ashamed of you...no one chooses this....we come out because we have NO CHOICE, you can only play the straight game for so long before it eats you alive inside"

I adore the guy, he is smart, genuine and has always been there for my daughter through the good times and the bad. Distance has not altered their friendship and he also knows, that he can call me to talk any time he wants. I am the "accepting mom" where he can bring his boyfriend and be welcomed.

And while we are on the subject....why in the hell do all men believe all women are bi? Half the "bi" chicks are actually straight, they "play bi" for the attention...but when it is time for a relationship....dating...living together....who do they have? guys!

baddog · 01-04-2009, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

I think some are born gay, some turn gay (for many reasons) and some try it just because they have done everything else and want to try something new. I mean, how do you know you don't like it until you try it?

This is the scenario.

I have a friend - big, burly biker type. He marries this chick and they have a kid. The inevitable happens and they get a divorce when the boy is around 1 year old. Now this freak is raising the kid.

Comes toilet training time and she is teaching him to wipe his dick after peeing. I told her that he was going to end up gay if she did not knock it off (for the record, I don't know if gay guys wipe their dicks or not, I have never known any guy, gay or otherwise that did this).

I was at lunch today with my son and somehow the above story came into discussion and I was informed that the kid is "very gay."

Now, I don't know if the dick wiping had anything to do with it, but if she was doing that, who knows what other weird crap she was putting the boy through. I tend to think his environment influenced him. I guess it could all be a weird coincidence.

How about some input from a gay POV? sortie, what do you think?

sortie · 01-04-2009, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Unlike Sly, I did I did say, "hmm, tits look pretty good... maybe I'll go that route." But I was breastfed and her first kid. Not sure how my younger brothers dealt with it.

Just giving you shit baddog.

My bro is gay and no way did it have anything to do with upbringing.

He knew it very very early and started to read books about it to try to
understand.

He had a girlfriend in high school but that was the last girl ever.

So it was kind of like he didn't want to be gay but got over it eventually.

sortie · 01-04-2009, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

Homosexuality is nature's way of terminating evolutionary dead ends. Isn't that obvious?

No, you're still here.

StuartD · 01-04-2009, 05:24 PM

I believe that the latest tests have confirmed that "left brain / right brain" activity is different in homosexuals.
As in, women's brain waves are distinctly different from that of men... and thus, homosexual people's brain waves more resemble that of the opposite sex.

I know that doesn't really answer the question of this thread, but I'd imagine that a person's brain activity is only partially set by birth and partially set by upbringing.

For me personally, I tend to believe that a gay person is just gay, and a straight person is just straight. They don't really choose, they just are.

PSSuperstars · 01-04-2009, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

This is the scenario.

I have a friend - big, burly biker type. He marries this chick and they have a kid. The inevitable happens and they get a divorce when the boy is around 1 year old. Now this freak is raising the kid.

Comes toilet training time and she is teaching him to wipe his dick after peeing. I told her that he was going to end up gay if she did not knock it off (for the record, I don't know if gay guys wipe their dicks or not, I have never known any guy, gay or otherwise that did this).

So no constant male figure in the life?
I think that plays a HUGE part. Especially if the mom is constantly trying to rid the obnoxious "guy" qualities that the dad had.

The hairdresser's kid that I knew... always wanted to play Tomb Raider.. and loved Lara Croft... and Wonder Woman.. so when roleplaying.. he'd always want to bring in the female role into the child playing... That's when we knew he was probably going to end up gay.. and the first 10 years of his life spent growing up in a hair salon completely changed him.

But who knows.. he could've been born that way.

But I thoroughly believe growing up in a hair/nail salon turned him gay.

baddog · 01-04-2009, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by wyldblyss

And while we are on the subject....why in the hell do all men believe all women are bi? Half the "bi" chicks are actually straight, they "play bi" for the attention...but when it is time for a relationship....dating...living together....who do they have? guys!

There must be someone with a name similar to yours because I always thought you were a guy.

And we don't think all chicks are bi, just the hot ones. It is very fashionable for young, hot chicks to be bi and I think I speak for every guy here when I say, we love it.

I just wish it was as fashionable when I was a kid. It was hard finding them and I had access to more women than most guys.

sortie · 01-04-2009, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

This is the scenario.

I have a friend - big, burly biker type. He marries this chick and they have a kid. The inevitable happens and they get a divorce when the boy is around 1 year old. Now this freak is raising the kid.

Comes toilet training time and she is teaching him to wipe his dick after peeing. I told her that he was going to end up gay if she did not knock it off (for the record, I don't know if gay guys wipe their dicks or not, I have never known any guy, gay or otherwise that did this).

I was at lunch today with my son and somehow the above story came into discussion and I was informed that the kid is "very gay."

Now, I don't know if the dick wiping had anything to do with it, but if she was doing that, who knows what other weird crap she was putting the boy through. I tend to think his environment influenced him. I guess it could all be a weird coincidence.

How about some input from a gay POV? sortie, what do you think?

brassmonkey · 01-04-2009, 05:29 PM

hmm

RayVega · 01-04-2009, 05:30 PM

Nurture can make a guy Metro-sexual...but not gay.

I do believe it is an anti-productive Mutation which is different than something being what we think of as genetic. Something "genetic" is generally handed down, while homosexuality is something that happens in a one-off fashion. It has been suggested that it is occurring more often in populations with third or fourth level inter-breeding such as Europeans but much more infrequently in larger populations like Africa or India. However, studies cannot be conclusive because it is difficult to determine when it is not happening or when it is not being reported due to cultural differences. Homosexuality happens more like a "genetic" defect for example being albino... But, if you say that you get labeled a homophobe.

look, Gays are clearly people too, who did not choose to feel the way they feel, and should be allowed and even encouraged to follow their dreams of a normal life, but there should be no doubt that it is counter-productive to the survival of our species.

It does suck that people are prejudged and treated as outcasts for something they cannot help, but on the same hand, scientists will never have answers because they have to pretend it is a good thing or risk being called a biggot.

baddog · 01-04-2009, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PSSuperstars

So no constant male figure in the life?
I think that plays a HUGE part. Especially if the mom is constantly trying to rid the obnoxious "guy" qualities that the dad had.

The hairdresser's kid that I knew... always wanted to play Tomb Raider.. and loved Lara Croft... and Wonder Woman.. so when roleplaying.. he'd always want to bring in the female role into the child playing... That's when we knew he was probably going to end up gay.. and the first 10 years of his life spent growing up in a hair salon completely changed him.

But who knows.. he could've been born that way.

But I thoroughly believe growing up in a hair/nail salon turned him gay.

Funny, the chick was a hairdresser, and yeah, Dave spend more time in jail than out I guess.

wyldblyss · 01-04-2009, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

This is the scenario.

I have a friend - big, burly biker type. He marries this chick and they have a kid. The inevitable happens and they get a divorce when the boy is around 1 year old. Now this freak is raising the kid.

Comes toilet training time and she is teaching him to wipe his dick after peeing. I told her that he was going to end up gay if she did not knock it off (for the record, I don't know if gay guys wipe their dicks or not, I have never known any guy, gay or otherwise that did this).

I was at lunch today with my son and somehow the above story came into discussion and I was informed that the kid is "very gay."

Now, I don't know if the dick wiping had anything to do with it, but if she was doing that, who knows what other weird crap she was putting the boy through. I tend to think his environment influenced him. I guess it could all be a weird coincidence.

How about some input from a gay POV? sortie, what do you think?

My daughter works with young kids. She says she has seen 3 year olds that her and the rest of the staff were positive they would be gay. They have different mannerisms, they don't enjoy the typical boy toys...even when specifically introduced to them..they would prefer doing other things.

I don't think washing your dick will make you gay, I think it may contribute to making you a clean freak...but not gay. What is gay about wiping your dick? Your dicks is wet with piss, you give it a shake, but there is often a drop left on it...wouldn't wiping that take care of the issue? I mean, I can't tell you how many guys I have seen with the pee spot on their pants where they didn't shake enough. Maybe mom is onto something

baddog · 01-04-2009, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by wyldblyss

My daughter works with young kids. She says she has seen 3 year olds that her and the rest of the staff were positive they would be gay. They have different mannerisms, they don't enjoy the typical boy toys...even when specifically introduced to them..they would prefer doing other things.

I don't think washing your dick will make you gay, I think it may contribute to making you a clean freak...but not gay. What is gay about wiping your dick? Your dicks is wet with piss, you give it a shake, but there is often a drop left on it...wouldn't wiping that take care of the issue? I mean, I can't tell you how many guys I have seen with the pee spot on their pants where they didn't shake enough. Maybe mom is onto something

No sons?

jpwhits · 01-04-2009, 05:36 PM

u r gay lol

sortie · 01-04-2009, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RayVega

Nurture can make a guy Metro-sexual...but not gay.

I do believe it is an anti-productive Mutation which is different than something being what we think of as genetic. Something "genetic" is generally handed down, while homosexuality is something that happens in a one-off fashion. It has been suggested that it is occurring more often in populations with third or fourth level inter-breeding such as Europeans but much more infrequently in larger populations like Africa or India. However, studies cannot be conclusive because it is difficult to determine when it is not happening or when it is not being reported due to cultural differences. Homosexuality happens more like a "genetic" defect for example being albino... But, if you say that you get labeled a homophobe.

look, Gays are clearly people too, who did not choose to feel the way they feel, and should be allowed and even encouraged to follow their dreams of a normal life, but there should be no doubt that it is counter-productive to the survival of our species.

It does suck that people are prejudged and treated as outcasts for something they cannot help, but on the same hand, scientists will never have answers because they have to pretend it is a good thing or risk being called a biggot.

You'd have a point if there wasn't 6 billion fucking assholes alive already.

I wish George Bush senior had been gay.

Grapesoda · 01-04-2009, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

There is the argument that being gay is a "choice" while others suggest it is not a choice but rather you are "born gay."

Do you believe it is possible for a boy to be gay due to his upbringing?

except for juicy, he likes it

justinsain · 01-04-2009, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by wyldblyss

I don't think anyone has a choice of what they are. You are what you are. Like others have said, I never chose to be straight, I just am. One of my daughters best friends is gay. I have actually talked to him at great length regarding the subject. He said that he always knew he was different from his earliest memories. He was raised in a house with only brothers, standard mom and father, very good life. He said if he had a choice he would be straight, only because his family has such difficulty with him being gay and his mom refusing to believe that his "gayness" is just a stage and he will tire of it and get married and have kids like his siblings. He knows a lot of people do not accept him...he has said "why would anyone ever choose a life where a lot of the population looks down on you, where family is often ashamed of you...no one chooses this....we come out because we have NO CHOICE, you can only play the straight game for so long before it eats you alive inside"

I adore the guy, he is smart, genuine and has always been there for my daughter through the good times and the bad. Distance has not altered their friendship and he also knows, that he can call me to talk any time he wants. I am the "accepting mom" where he can bring his boyfriend and be welcomed.

And while we are on the subject....why in the hell do all men believe all women are bi? Half the "bi" chicks are actually straight, they "play bi" for the attention...but when it is time for a relationship....dating...living together....who do they have? guys!

You have a better understanding than most ever will

If it can be determined that a person's sexual preference cannot be influenced and is in fact a natural occurrence the real problem becomes how others perceive, react and accept it.

For the record I'm 100% straight

PSSuperstars · 01-04-2009, 05:42 PM

Well the hairdresser's kid in my scenario has a "girlfriend" now..
But his senior year in high school.. I hacked his email for a friend.. and found gay personal ads and emails... So I know the truth...

And now that he's off to college.. he has a "roomate" who is just as artsy as him...

If he ends up fighting it and really does have a girlfriend... I'll be surprised.
College will make him "come out"

sortie · 01-04-2009, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by justinsain

For the record I'm 100% straight

Hit me up on pm, off the record.

sortie · 01-04-2009, 05:45 PM

Sly · 01-04-2009, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Unlike Sly, I did I did say, "hmm, tits look pretty good... maybe I'll go that route." But I was breastfed and her first kid. Not sure how my younger brothers dealt with it.

So you went straight because you sucked your moms tit?

We usually call that incest.

Sam Granger · 01-04-2009, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

There is the argument that being gay is a "choice" while others suggest it is not a choice but rather you are "born gay."

Do you believe it is possible for a boy to be gay due to his upbringing?

I believe both is possible. Some people are born in the wrong body. And some people develop into liking things due to environment. But I think mainly people are born with it. But some just have it stronger than others.

baddog · 01-04-2009, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

So you went straight because you sucked your moms tit?

We usually call that incest.

Have to start somewhere . . . . it was just an influence.

Marcus · 01-04-2009, 05:56 PM

Anyone who thinks people can choose to be gay or straight is a retard. All you can do it try to supress your feelings, but they dont go away.

I'm gay. I hated it growing up. Hiding it from friends in school, hiding it from family.
I was very lonely for years of my life.
I was a member of a teen gay group in Boston and some of the kids were thrown out of their homes and homeless because theyr parents found out.
Who the hell would choose to be gay if it meant you were going to be lonely and homeless?

Believe me, no one wants to be an outcast when they're young.

sortie · 01-04-2009, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcus

Anyone who thinks people can choose to be gay or straight is a retard. All you can do it try to supress your feelings, but they dont go away.

I'm gay. I hated it growing up. Hiding it from friends in school, hiding it from family.
I was very lonely for years of my life.
I was a member of a teen gay group in Boston and some of the kids were thrown out of their homes and homeless because theyr parents found out.
Who the hell would choose to be gay if it meant you were going to be lonely and homeless?

Believe me, no one wants to be an outcast when they're young.

You're no "outcast"; you just got "casted" in a different show as the star.

jpwhits · 01-04-2009, 06:05 PM

This thread is gay.

Niktamer · 01-04-2009, 07:42 PM

LadyMischief · 01-05-2009, 05:32 AM

I don't know how much of a choice being gay is.. I think some people are just born that way. In the natural world, animals have homosexual unions, and some animals even choose same-sex life partners. There's no rhyme or reason for it... it's just the way of things.

WeirdHomer · 01-05-2009, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

There is the argument that being gay is a "choice" while others suggest it is not a choice but rather you are "born gay."

Do you believe it is possible for a boy to be gay due to his upbringing?

Having doubts about yourself?

Libertine · 01-05-2009, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

There is the argument that being gay is a "choice" while others suggest it is not a choice but rather you are "born gay."

Do you believe it is possible for a boy to be gay due to his upbringing?

If upbringing causes sexual preference, it's still not a choice - you don't choose your upbringing, after all. The only way it could be a choice is if one didn't have a clearly defined sexual preference.

In my view, it would be quite ludicrous to assume that to be the case for a majority of gay people, since without an obvious sexual preference, choosing to be straight would be a far easier option.

So no, I do not believe it to be a matter of choice.

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PSSuperstars Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,477	I believe if all he is raised around are girlier things.. then he obviously grows a liking to those things. I know mothers who've kept their sons from the fathers... and the mother was a hairdresser.. so the child grew up in the hair salon... and.. gay. I think a father's presence plays a big part a lot of the time... I do believe some people are just born that way. Their hormones are off... But I also believe that some just end up liking that lifestyle because it's all they know or have been raised around. __________________ Porn's Best Kept Secret : PSOCash.com : Make Money Promoting Phone Sex in Members Areas, TGPs, and MORE! : Lifetime 30% Payout *Best Webcam Referral Payouts*

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Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	I haven't researched it and have no moral or religious thoughts on the matter, but I don't believe that anyone is born gay. I believe it's a choice and should be as acceptable as being straight. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

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polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 40,377	I haven't researched this subject but last time I heard, the consensus was that people are actually born gay or straight and upbringing plays a role in the minority of cases... I might be wrong though __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore.

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PSSuperstars Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,477	With the large amount of people who are born as other genders as a result of hormones... but are mentally "the other way"... I think it's completely plausible that they are born homosexual as well... I have an overwhelming amount of testosterone for a chick... luckily that just means that I work all the time and am highly ambitious.. and have a huge sex drive.. I'm not gay. BUT having that over abundance of testosterone has affected my work ethic and sex. I find it completely plausible that other fluctuations in hormones can change things too. __________________ Porn's Best Kept Secret : PSOCash.com : Make Money Promoting Phone Sex in Members Areas, TGPs, and MORE! : Lifetime 30% Payout *Best Webcam Referral Payouts*

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EXPORT Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,345	I believe that to a great extent it is due to the upbringing and the people who surround a person and the influences one had while growing up. One thing that confuses me is the gays acting like girls, the limp wrist and the feminine voice and the all tough real man gays... Although I can only speak on what i have seen on TV It does confuse me though

01-04-2009, 04:50 PM	#12
justinsain Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,374	I thought your sexual preference was predetermined at birth until I read the " Do you sit to pee " thread

01-04-2009, 04:56 PM	#13
teg0 Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Gringo in Puerto Rico Posts: 4,204	you'll find out pretty fast if you go around asking gays you know if they were born that way or became that way. Upbringing doesn't effect sexual preference. Last edited by teg0; 01-04-2009 at 04:58 PM..

01-04-2009, 05:11 PM	#16
DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	I think some are born gay, some turn gay (for many reasons) and some try it just because they have done everything else and want to try something new. I mean, how do you know you don't like it until you try it?

01-04-2009, 05:16 PM	#18
Dagwolf President of Canada Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Leaving Hell, Entering Limbo Posts: 23,141	It seems to me to be a genetic, hormonal thing in some cases at least. As to whether someone who is NOT genetically predisposed to homosexuality can become gay, I don't know... but I suspect that it's a likely possibility. __________________ Sleep well, and dream of large women.

01-04-2009, 05:17 PM	#19
WarChild Let slip the dogs of war. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bermuda Posts: 17,263	Homosexuality is nature's way of terminating evolutionary dead ends. Isn't that obvious? __________________ .

01-04-2009, 05:18 PM	#20
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01-04-2009, 05:22 PM	#21
wyldblyss Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Buck Starts Here Posts: 5,779	I don't think anyone has a choice of what they are. You are what you are. Like others have said, I never chose to be straight, I just am. One of my daughters best friends is gay. I have actually talked to him at great length regarding the subject. He said that he always knew he was different from his earliest memories. He was raised in a house with only brothers, standard mom and father, very good life. He said if he had a choice he would be straight, only because his family has such difficulty with him being gay and his mom refusing to believe that his "gayness" is just a stage and he will tire of it and get married and have kids like his siblings. He knows a lot of people do not accept him...he has said "why would anyone ever choose a life where a lot of the population looks down on you, where family is often ashamed of you...no one chooses this....we come out because we have NO CHOICE, you can only play the straight game for so long before it eats you alive inside" I adore the guy, he is smart, genuine and has always been there for my daughter through the good times and the bad. Distance has not altered their friendship and he also knows, that he can call me to talk any time he wants. I am the "accepting mom" where he can bring his boyfriend and be welcomed. And while we are on the subject....why in the hell do all men believe all women are bi? Half the "bi" chicks are actually straight, they "play bi" for the attention...but when it is time for a relationship....dating...living together....who do they have? guys!

01-04-2009, 05:24 PM	#25
StuartD Sofa King Band Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Outside the box Posts: 29,903	I believe that the latest tests have confirmed that "left brain / right brain" activity is different in homosexuals. As in, women's brain waves are distinctly different from that of men... and thus, homosexual people's brain waves more resemble that of the opposite sex. I know that doesn't really answer the question of this thread, but I'd imagine that a person's brain activity is only partially set by birth and partially set by upbringing. For me personally, I tend to believe that a gay person is just gay, and a straight person is just straight. They don't really choose, they just are. __________________ This is me on facebook This is me on twitter

01-04-2009, 05:29 PM	#29
brassmonkey Pay It Forward Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Yo Mama House Posts: 77,169	hmm __________________ TRUMP 2025 KEKAW!!! - The Laken Riley Act Is Law! DACA ENDED - SUPPORT AZ HCR 2060 52R - email: brassballz-at-techie.com

01-04-2009, 05:30 PM	#30
RayVega Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: New York ICQ#348007554 Posts: 4,212	Nurture can make a guy Metro-sexual...but not gay. I do believe it is an anti-productive Mutation which is different than something being what we think of as genetic. Something "genetic" is generally handed down, while homosexuality is something that happens in a one-off fashion. It has been suggested that it is occurring more often in populations with third or fourth level inter-breeding such as Europeans but much more infrequently in larger populations like Africa or India. However, studies cannot be conclusive because it is difficult to determine when it is not happening or when it is not being reported due to cultural differences. Homosexuality happens more like a "genetic" defect for example being albino... But, if you say that you get labeled a homophobe. look, Gays are clearly people too, who did not choose to feel the way they feel, and should be allowed and even encouraged to follow their dreams of a normal life, but there should be no doubt that it is counter-productive to the survival of our species. It does suck that people are prejudged and treated as outcasts for something they cannot help, but on the same hand, scientists will never have answers because they have to pretend it is a good thing or risk being called a biggot. __________________ Ray "The Don" Vega Managing Director Private Equity Fund [email protected]

01-04-2009, 05:36 PM	#34
jpwhits Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,045	u r gay lol __________________ ))<>((

01-04-2009, 05:42 PM	#38
PSSuperstars Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,477	Well the hairdresser's kid in my scenario has a "girlfriend" now.. But his senior year in high school.. I hacked his email for a friend.. and found gay personal ads and emails... So I know the truth... And now that he's off to college.. he has a "roomate" who is just as artsy as him... If he ends up fighting it and really does have a girlfriend... I'll be surprised. College will make him "come out" __________________ Porn's Best Kept Secret : PSOCash.com : Make Money Promoting Phone Sex in Members Areas, TGPs, and MORE! : Lifetime 30% Payout *Best Webcam Referral Payouts*

01-04-2009, 05:45 PM	#40
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01-04-2009, 05:56 PM	#44
Marcus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,472	Anyone who thinks people can choose to be gay or straight is a retard. All you can do it try to supress your feelings, but they dont go away. I'm gay. I hated it growing up. Hiding it from friends in school, hiding it from family. I was very lonely for years of my life. I was a member of a teen gay group in Boston and some of the kids were thrown out of their homes and homeless because theyr parents found out. Who the hell would choose to be gay if it meant you were going to be lonely and homeless? Believe me, no one wants to be an outcast when they're young.

01-04-2009, 06:05 PM	#46
jpwhits Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,045	This thread is gay. __________________ ))<>((

01-04-2009, 07:42 PM	#47
Niktamer Lord of the Leads Industry Role: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 3,021	__________________

01-05-2009, 05:32 AM	#48
LadyMischief Orgasms N Such! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Ontario Posts: 18,135	I don't know how much of a choice being gay is.. I think some people are just born that way. In the natural world, animals have homosexual unions, and some animals even choose same-sex life partners. There's no rhyme or reason for it... it's just the way of things. __________________ ICQ 3522039 Content Manager - orgasm.com [email protected]