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noam · 11-02-2008, 03:02 PM

For the first time I am considering offering my SEO services. I own mainstream websites who receive over a million uniques per month from Google. My sites are pretty maxed out in terms of SEO and my niche has taken a serious revenue hit from the recession (down to 4 cents per click from 13) so it makes since to do some grunt work.

I will only take 1 or 2 clients so I will choose them carefully. If the sites to be promoted have a solid business model and convert well I don't mind working for revenue share with no upfront costs.

My services include keyword research and link building. Unless there is something seriously fucked up on-page optimizations are typically not required. I go after BIG keywords, not the long tail.

If you'd like to talk, please post your URL(s) and contact info and if I think I can help you make money I will contact you.

John. · 11-02-2008, 03:08 PM

Why not try a different niche?!

noam · 11-02-2008, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John.

Why not try a different niche?!

For a few of reasons:

1. it?s difficult to SEO new websites. If I learn a new niche, build websites in it and SEO them I'm looking at 9+ months before I start generating meaningful traffic.
2. SEO is expensive. If you don't know how to monetize well it is not always economical.
3. My niche will bounce back, and when it does it will require my full attention. Right now I'm just looking for something to occupy my time so I'm not tempted to make bad investments during the recession.

Mr Pheer · 11-02-2008, 03:16 PM

SEO is expensive?

I guess if you are buying the traffic.

Machete_ · 11-02-2008, 03:16 PM

I looked at your site, and its not even close to being good on google. Do not give that person any money

noam · 11-02-2008, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ebus_dk

I looked at your site, and its not even close to being good on google. Do not give that person any money

http://www.google.com/search?q=free+games

Machete_ · 11-02-2008, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noam

http://www.google.com/search?q=free+games

ye, and look at the source for those keywords
http://www.google.com/trends?q=free+games

V_RocKs · 11-02-2008, 03:30 PM

I would never SEO for someone else... Unless they had $250K burning a hole in their budget.

bushwacker · 11-02-2008, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noam

For the first time I am considering offering my SEO services. I own mainstream websites who receive over a million uniques per month from Google. My sites are pretty maxed out in terms of SEO and my niche has taken a serious revenue hit from the recession (down to 4 cents per click from 13) so it makes since to do some grunt work.

I will only take 1 or 2 clients so I will choose them carefully. If the sites to be promoted have a solid business model and convert well I don't mind working for revenue share with no upfront costs.

My services include keyword research and link building. Unless there is something seriously fucked up on-page optimizations are typically not required. I go after BIG keywords, not the long tail.

If you'd like to talk, please post your URL(s) and contact info and if I think I can help you make money I will contact you.

pussyserver, is that you?

noam · 11-02-2008, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebus_dk

ye, and look at the source for those keywords
http://www.google.com/trends?q=free+games

1. Regional data on Google trends is not nominal. It shows how popular a particular term is in a particular country. The fact that Philippines is at the top of the list means that "Free Games" is a very popular search in the Philippines not that more people search for "Free Games" in the Philippines than in any other country.

2. Here is the actual data:

3. You are embarrassing yourself.

HorseShit · 11-02-2008, 03:41 PM

are you and pussyserver having daily gay sex?

Machete_ · 11-02-2008, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noam

3. You are embarrassing yourself.

nope. Its still a indication as to how the traffic is for the terms you focus on. But I'm sure you wont agree with that. And it dont change the fact its not a "high end" job done to that site

noam · 11-02-2008, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs

I would never SEO for someone else... Unless they had $250K burning a hole in their budget.

The way this thread is coming along, it appears that I will not SEO for anyone else either.

Machete_ · 11-02-2008, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noam

The way this thread is coming along, it appears that I will not SEO for anyone else either.

Im not flaming your site - its really a good site.

Im only saying that its nothing to do with high end SEO.

To be honest - if I was you, I would invest time in getting bannerdeals that pay you more than those click rates. Your traffic seems stable on the chart.

People come to your site to play free games, they dont come there to click banners while playing. You need to indentify your users trafficpattern and adapt to maximise the CTR.

I think google adsense is the wrong solution in your case

chupachups · 11-02-2008, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noam

The way this thread is coming along, it appears that I will not SEO for anyone else either.

Ppl wont leave any contact info here so you should post your own..

(btw, I dont think this is pussyserver - for starters the guy can spell)

Iron Fist · 11-02-2008, 03:52 PM

Hey thanks for the stats.... I think i'll try my hand at promoting games now as well.

Barefootsies · 11-02-2008, 03:56 PM

Good stuff fine sire.

noam · 11-02-2008, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebus_dk

I think google adsense is the wrong solution in your case

We run other campaigns every now and then, but we've been able to reach a 5.12% CTR with adsense (per page not ad unit) so it pays pretty well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by chupachups

Ppl wont leave any contact info here so you should post your own..

(btw, I dont think this is pussyserver - for starters the guy can spell)

Guess I can leave a spam account: [email protected]

P.S.

Don't I get any credit for being registered here since 2004? Who the hell is this pussyserver anyway?

noam · 11-02-2008, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sharphead

Hey thanks for the stats.... I think i'll try my hand at promoting games now as well.

Good luck

chupachups · 11-02-2008, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noam

Don't I get any credit for being registered here since 2004? Who the hell is this pussyserver anyway?

Search for pussyserver (probably still on the first page) and you´ll understand why people are being sceptic

Machete_ · 11-02-2008, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noam

Don't I get any credit for being registered here since 2004? Who the hell is this pussyserver anyway?

hehe - no
But dont worry. Anyone with half a mind wont think you are him

About the CTR. I dont have game sites, so I don't how that is compared to other sites, I'm basing it purely on the click value.

Google Adsense is a traffic leak, leading your customers to competitive sites. I think the % of "new visits" supports my claim.

Your site should be growing with that amount of new visits

noam · 11-02-2008, 04:13 PM

It's very difficult to create visitor loyalty in a gaming site. Maybe if I had $300K USD to spend on development I'd give it a shot.

Nicky · 11-02-2008, 04:20 PM

So according to the numbers you are posting you only make ~$17 per day from that game site getting over 8000 google uniques a day? 247,000/30 = 8233. 8233 x 0,0512 (your ctr) = 421,50. 421,50 x 4 cent (your avg revenue per click) = almost $17 right?

edit: or is this ctr based on page views and not uniques? If so what are your pagviews per month?

woj · 11-02-2008, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicky

So according to the numbers you are posting you only make ~$17 per day from that game site getting over 8000 google uniques a day? 247,000/30 = 8233. 8233 x 0,0512 (your ctr) = 421,50. 421,50 x 4 cent (your avg revenue per click) = almost $17 right?

edit: or is this ctr based on page views and not uniques? If so what are your pagviews per month?

That's only for "free games" query from google, I'm sure he ranks for other terms and gets traffic from other sources too... and ctr is based on page views too...

Phil · 11-02-2008, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicky

So according to the numbers you are posting you only make ~$17 per day from that game site getting over 8000 google uniques a day? 247,000/30 = 8233. 8233 x 0,0512 (your ctr) = 421,50. 421,50 x 4 cent (your avg revenue per click) = almost $17 right?

edit: or is this ctr based on page views and not uniques? If so what are your pagviews per month?

thats from "free games" .. Im sure he has lots more like flash games, games etc... unless im getting it all wrong

noam · 11-02-2008, 04:32 PM

Site makes about $100K/year with adsense bringing in about 75% of that.

Machete_ · 11-02-2008, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicky

So according to the numbers you are posting you only make ~$17 per day from that game site getting over 8000 google uniques a day? 247,000/30 = 8233. 8233 x 0,0512 (your ctr) = 421,50. 421,50 x 4 cent (your avg revenue per click) = almost $17 right?

edit: or is this ctr based on page views and not uniques? If so what are your pagviews per month?

I bloody hope not

The visits and avarage page views are visible in the stats, and he already mentioned the CTR on pagelevel

Nicky · 11-02-2008, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woj

That's only for "free games" query from google, I'm sure he ranks for other terms and gets traffic from other sources too... and ctr is based on page views too...

yep I'm sure but i just thought it sounded very low revenue-wise when laying it out like that

Nicky · 11-02-2008, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebus_dk

I bloody hope not

The visits and avarage page views are visible in the stats, and he already mentioned the CTR on pagelevel

ahh yes, I see now. abit over 1mil page views per month from that searchterm.

Nicky · 11-02-2008, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noam

Site makes about $100K/year with adsense bringing in about 75% of that.

Makes sense if your site has ~3mil pageviews per month which I'm pretty sure it has. I feel with ya on the 13c to 4c drop, that' some serious coin per month lost.

Manowar · 11-02-2008, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noam

It's very difficult to create visitor loyalty in a gaming site. Maybe if I had $300K USD to spend on development I'd give it a shot.

Miniclip did it by all exclusive and I bet they have a much bigger budget due to their investors.

Don't know why your getting flamed in this thread, I've seen your posts before and your site is a shining example of good SEO, you know your shit and I dont know why people are acting like you don't.

Hopefully you will find some good clients, I bet you will make them a lot with those kinds of skills.

Nicky · 11-02-2008, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manowar

Miniclip did it by all exclusive and I bet they have a much bigger budget due to their investors.

Don't know why your getting flamed in this thread, I've seen your posts before and your site is a shining example of good SEO, you know your shit and I dont know why people are acting like you don't.

Hopefully you will find some good clients, I bet you will make them a lot with those kinds of skills.

Just to make 1 thing clear to noam is that I am not flaming him, I just had a little missunderstanding with my self on the revenue

Mark_E4A · 11-02-2008, 08:12 PM

anyone with good mainstream serps needs props, not bashing

hit me up, i may need your assistance in a few projects

Profits of Doom · 11-02-2008, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manowar

Miniclip did it by all exclusive and I bet they have a much bigger budget due to their investors.

Don't know why your getting flamed in this thread, I've seen your posts before and your site is a shining example of good SEO, you know your shit and I dont know why people are acting like you don't.

Hopefully you will find some good clients, I bet you will make them a lot with those kinds of skills.

People that can't do, flame those that can. It's as simple as that. Someone that makes no money can't stand to see someone that does reach for a little more...

MoreMagic · 11-02-2008, 08:25 PM

Exactly

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark_E4A

anyone with good mainstream serps needs props, not bashing

TiaLing · 11-02-2008, 08:26 PM

Hey there ... contact me icq ... would like to talk with you further when you have time ... thanks,

tia

bloggingseo · 11-02-2008, 08:33 PM

High end? No. So/so? More believable!

noam · 11-03-2008, 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manowar

Don't know why your getting flamed in this thread

It wouldn't be GFY if I wasn't

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Marshal · 11-03-2008, 02:14 AM

just to let you know, google trends comparing to any apache website stats are showing completely different results.

noam · 11-03-2008, 04:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nettrust

just to let you know, google trends comparing to any apache website stats are showing completely different results.

The way that trends works is that it shows you all searches that contain the words you search for. It doesn't show you searches for the exact phrase.

Consider these two examples:

1. http://www.google.com/trends?q=games+free%2C+free+games

Obviously more people search for "free games" than "games free" but Trends does not show this.

2. http://www.google.com/trends?q=onlin...e=all&so rt=0

Obviously more people search for "Porn" than "Online". "Online" doesn't mean anything but it's a very common word in other search phrases.

travs · 11-03-2008, 05:02 AM

obviously noam knows his own thing. c'mon guys just give it up.

noam · 11-03-2008, 09:01 AM

Got a client from this thread. I'll ask him to post a testimonial later on but honestly I don't think I'll have time to take on an additional client beyond him.

Agent 488 · 11-03-2008, 10:22 AM

good rankings and good luck.

11-02-2008, 03:02 PM	#1
noam Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 730	Offering high-end SEO services For the first time I am considering offering my SEO services. I own mainstream websites who receive over a million uniques per month from Google. My sites are pretty maxed out in terms of SEO and my niche has taken a serious revenue hit from the recession (down to 4 cents per click from 13) so it makes since to do some grunt work. I will only take 1 or 2 clients so I will choose them carefully. If the sites to be promoted have a solid business model and convert well I don't mind working for revenue share with no upfront costs. My services include keyword research and link building. Unless there is something seriously fucked up on-page optimizations are typically not required. I go after BIG keywords, not the long tail. If you'd like to talk, please post your URL(s) and contact info and if I think I can help you make money I will contact you.

11-02-2008, 03:08 PM	#2
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11-02-2008, 04:13 PM	#22
noam Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 730	It's very difficult to create visitor loyalty in a gaming site. Maybe if I had $300K USD to spend on development I'd give it a shot.

11-02-2008, 04:20 PM	#23
Nicky Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 30,069	So according to the numbers you are posting you only make ~$17 per day from that game site getting over 8000 google uniques a day? 247,000/30 = 8233. 8233 x 0,0512 (your ctr) = 421,50. 421,50 x 4 cent (your avg revenue per click) = almost $17 right? edit: or is this ctr based on page views and not uniques? If so what are your pagviews per month? __________________ gfynicky @ gmail.com Last edited by Nicky; 11-02-2008 at 04:23 PM..

11-02-2008, 04:32 PM	#26
noam Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 730	Site makes about $100K/year with adsense bringing in about 75% of that. Last edited by noam; 11-02-2008 at 04:34 PM..

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11-03-2008, 05:02 AM	#42
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11-03-2008, 09:01 AM	#43
noam Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 730	Got a client from this thread. I'll ask him to post a testimonial later on but honestly I don't think I'll have time to take on an additional client beyond him.

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