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noam 11-02-2008 03:02 PM

Offering high-end SEO services
 
For the first time I am considering offering my SEO services. I own mainstream websites who receive over a million uniques per month from Google. My sites are pretty maxed out in terms of SEO and my niche has taken a serious revenue hit from the recession (down to 4 cents per click from 13) so it makes since to do some grunt work.

I will only take 1 or 2 clients so I will choose them carefully. If the sites to be promoted have a solid business model and convert well I don't mind working for revenue share with no upfront costs.

My services include keyword research and link building. Unless there is something seriously fucked up on-page optimizations are typically not required. I go after BIG keywords, not the long tail.

If you'd like to talk, please post your URL(s) and contact info and if I think I can help you make money I will contact you.

John. 11-02-2008 03:08 PM

Why not try a different niche?!

noam 11-02-2008 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John. (Post 14993203)
Why not try a different niche?!

For a few of reasons:

1. it?s difficult to SEO new websites. If I learn a new niche, build websites in it and SEO them I'm looking at 9+ months before I start generating meaningful traffic.
2. SEO is expensive. If you don't know how to monetize well it is not always economical.
3. My niche will bounce back, and when it does it will require my full attention. Right now I'm just looking for something to occupy my time so I'm not tempted to make bad investments during the recession.

Mr Pheer 11-02-2008 03:16 PM

SEO is expensive?

I guess if you are buying the traffic.

Machete_ 11-02-2008 03:16 PM

I looked at your site, and its not even close to being good on google. Do not give that person any money

noam 11-02-2008 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebus_dk (Post 14993255)
I looked at your site, and its not even close to being good on google. Do not give that person any money

http://www.google.com/search?q=free+games

Machete_ 11-02-2008 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noam (Post 14993276)

ye, and look at the source for those keywords
http://www.google.com/trends?q=free+games

V_RocKs 11-02-2008 03:30 PM

I would never SEO for someone else... Unless they had $250K burning a hole in their budget.

bushwacker 11-02-2008 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noam (Post 14993176)
For the first time I am considering offering my SEO services. I own mainstream websites who receive over a million uniques per month from Google. My sites are pretty maxed out in terms of SEO and my niche has taken a serious revenue hit from the recession (down to 4 cents per click from 13) so it makes since to do some grunt work.

I will only take 1 or 2 clients so I will choose them carefully. If the sites to be promoted have a solid business model and convert well I don't mind working for revenue share with no upfront costs.

My services include keyword research and link building. Unless there is something seriously fucked up on-page optimizations are typically not required. I go after BIG keywords, not the long tail.

If you'd like to talk, please post your URL(s) and contact info and if I think I can help you make money I will contact you.


pussyserver, is that you?

noam 11-02-2008 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebus_dk (Post 14993334)
ye, and look at the source for those keywords
http://www.google.com/trends?q=free+games

1. Regional data on Google trends is not nominal. It shows how popular a particular term is in a particular country. The fact that Philippines is at the top of the list means that "Free Games" is a very popular search in the Philippines not that more people search for "Free Games" in the Philippines than in any other country.

2. Here is the actual data:

http://www.playedonline.com/ebus_dk.png

3. You are embarrassing yourself.

HorseShit 11-02-2008 03:41 PM

are you and pussyserver having daily gay sex?

Machete_ 11-02-2008 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noam (Post 14993385)
3. You are embarrassing yourself.


nope. Its still a indication as to how the traffic is for the terms you focus on. But I'm sure you wont agree with that. And it dont change the fact its not a "high end" job done to that site

noam 11-02-2008 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs (Post 14993349)
I would never SEO for someone else... Unless they had $250K burning a hole in their budget.

The way this thread is coming along, it appears that I will not SEO for anyone else either.

Machete_ 11-02-2008 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noam (Post 14993424)
The way this thread is coming along, it appears that I will not SEO for anyone else either.

Im not flaming your site - its really a good site.

Im only saying that its nothing to do with high end SEO.

To be honest - if I was you, I would invest time in getting bannerdeals that pay you more than those click rates. Your traffic seems stable on the chart.

People come to your site to play free games, they dont come there to click banners while playing. You need to indentify your users trafficpattern and adapt to maximise the CTR.

I think google adsense is the wrong solution in your case

chupachups 11-02-2008 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noam (Post 14993424)
The way this thread is coming along, it appears that I will not SEO for anyone else either.

Ppl wont leave any contact info here so you should post your own.. :2 cents:



(btw, I dont think this is pussyserver - for starters the guy can spell)

Iron Fist 11-02-2008 03:52 PM

Hey thanks for the stats.... I think i'll try my hand at promoting games now as well.

Barefootsies 11-02-2008 03:56 PM

Good stuff fine sire.
:thumbsup:thumbsup

noam 11-02-2008 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebus_dk (Post 14993456)
I think google adsense is the wrong solution in your case

We run other campaigns every now and then, but we've been able to reach a 5.12% CTR with adsense (per page not ad unit) so it pays pretty well.


Quote:

Originally Posted by chupachups (Post 14993472)
Ppl wont leave any contact info here so you should post your own.. :2 cents:

(btw, I dont think this is pussyserver - for starters the guy can spell)

Guess I can leave a spam account: [email protected]

P.S.

Don't I get any credit for being registered here since 2004? Who the hell is this pussyserver anyway?

noam 11-02-2008 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sharphead (Post 14993477)
Hey thanks for the stats.... I think i'll try my hand at promoting games now as well.

Good luck :thumbsup

chupachups 11-02-2008 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noam (Post 14993525)

Don't I get any credit for being registered here since 2004? Who the hell is this pussyserver anyway?

Search for pussyserver (probably still on the first page) and youŽll understand why people are being sceptic :)

Machete_ 11-02-2008 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noam (Post 14993525)
Don't I get any credit for being registered here since 2004? Who the hell is this pussyserver anyway?

hehe - no
But dont worry. Anyone with half a mind wont think you are him


About the CTR. I dont have game sites, so I don't how that is compared to other sites, I'm basing it purely on the click value.

Google Adsense is a traffic leak, leading your customers to competitive sites. I think the % of "new visits" supports my claim.

Your site should be growing with that amount of new visits

noam 11-02-2008 04:13 PM

It's very difficult to create visitor loyalty in a gaming site. Maybe if I had $300K USD to spend on development I'd give it a shot.

Nicky 11-02-2008 04:20 PM

So according to the numbers you are posting you only make ~$17 per day from that game site getting over 8000 google uniques a day? 247,000/30 = 8233. 8233 x 0,0512 (your ctr) = 421,50. 421,50 x 4 cent (your avg revenue per click) = almost $17 right?

edit: or is this ctr based on page views and not uniques? If so what are your pagviews per month?

woj 11-02-2008 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicky (Post 14993642)
So according to the numbers you are posting you only make ~$17 per day from that game site getting over 8000 google uniques a day? 247,000/30 = 8233. 8233 x 0,0512 (your ctr) = 421,50. 421,50 x 4 cent (your avg revenue per click) = almost $17 right?

edit: or is this ctr based on page views and not uniques? If so what are your pagviews per month?

That's only for "free games" query from google, I'm sure he ranks for other terms and gets traffic from other sources too... and ctr is based on page views too... :2 cents:

Phil 11-02-2008 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicky (Post 14993642)
So according to the numbers you are posting you only make ~$17 per day from that game site getting over 8000 google uniques a day? 247,000/30 = 8233. 8233 x 0,0512 (your ctr) = 421,50. 421,50 x 4 cent (your avg revenue per click) = almost $17 right?

edit: or is this ctr based on page views and not uniques? If so what are your pagviews per month?

thats from "free games" .. Im sure he has lots more like flash games, games etc... unless im getting it all wrong

noam 11-02-2008 04:32 PM

Site makes about $100K/year with adsense bringing in about 75% of that.

Machete_ 11-02-2008 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicky (Post 14993642)
So according to the numbers you are posting you only make ~$17 per day from that game site getting over 8000 google uniques a day? 247,000/30 = 8233. 8233 x 0,0512 (your ctr) = 421,50. 421,50 x 4 cent (your avg revenue per click) = almost $17 right?

edit: or is this ctr based on page views and not uniques? If so what are your pagviews per month?

I bloody hope not :)

The visits and avarage page views are visible in the stats, and he already mentioned the CTR on pagelevel

Nicky 11-02-2008 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woj (Post 14993693)
That's only for "free games" query from google, I'm sure he ranks for other terms and gets traffic from other sources too... and ctr is based on page views too... :2 cents:

yep I'm sure but i just thought it sounded very low revenue-wise when laying it out like that

Nicky 11-02-2008 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebus_dk (Post 14993750)
I bloody hope not :)

The visits and avarage page views are visible in the stats, and he already mentioned the CTR on pagelevel

ahh yes, I see now. abit over 1mil page views per month from that searchterm.

Nicky 11-02-2008 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noam (Post 14993745)
Site makes about $100K/year with adsense bringing in about 75% of that.

Makes sense if your site has ~3mil pageviews per month which I'm pretty sure it has. I feel with ya on the 13c to 4c drop, that' some serious coin per month lost.

Manowar 11-02-2008 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noam (Post 14993609)
It's very difficult to create visitor loyalty in a gaming site. Maybe if I had $300K USD to spend on development I'd give it a shot.

Miniclip did it by all exclusive and I bet they have a much bigger budget due to their investors.

Don't know why your getting flamed in this thread, I've seen your posts before and your site is a shining example of good SEO, you know your shit and I dont know why people are acting like you don't.

Hopefully you will find some good clients, I bet you will make them a lot with those kinds of skills. :thumbsup

Nicky 11-02-2008 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manowar (Post 14993921)
Miniclip did it by all exclusive and I bet they have a much bigger budget due to their investors.

Don't know why your getting flamed in this thread, I've seen your posts before and your site is a shining example of good SEO, you know your shit and I dont know why people are acting like you don't.

Hopefully you will find some good clients, I bet you will make them a lot with those kinds of skills. :thumbsup

Just to make 1 thing clear to noam is that I am not flaming him, I just had a little missunderstanding with my self on the revenue :)

Mark_E4A 11-02-2008 08:12 PM

anyone with good mainstream serps needs props, not bashing :thumbsup

hit me up, i may need your assistance in a few projects

Profits of Doom 11-02-2008 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manowar (Post 14993921)
Miniclip did it by all exclusive and I bet they have a much bigger budget due to their investors.

Don't know why your getting flamed in this thread, I've seen your posts before and your site is a shining example of good SEO, you know your shit and I dont know why people are acting like you don't.

Hopefully you will find some good clients, I bet you will make them a lot with those kinds of skills. :thumbsup

People that can't do, flame those that can. It's as simple as that. Someone that makes no money can't stand to see someone that does reach for a little more...

MoreMagic 11-02-2008 08:25 PM

Exactly :winkwink:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark_E4A (Post 14994571)
anyone with good mainstream serps needs props, not bashing :thumbsup


TiaLing 11-02-2008 08:26 PM

Hey there ... contact me icq ... would like to talk with you further when you have time ... thanks,

tia

bloggingseo 11-02-2008 08:33 PM

High end? No. So/so? More believable!

noam 11-03-2008 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manowar (Post 14993921)
Don't know why your getting flamed in this thread

It wouldn't be GFY if I wasn't :winkwink:

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Marshal 11-03-2008 02:14 AM

just to let you know, google trends comparing to any apache website stats are showing completely different results.

noam 11-03-2008 04:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nettrust (Post 14995396)
just to let you know, google trends comparing to any apache website stats are showing completely different results.

The way that trends works is that it shows you all searches that contain the words you search for. It doesn't show you searches for the exact phrase.

Consider these two examples:

1. http://www.google.com/trends?q=games+free%2C+free+games

Obviously more people search for "free games" than "games free" but Trends does not show this.

2. http://www.google.com/trends?q=onlin...e=all&so rt=0

Obviously more people search for "Porn" than "Online". "Online" doesn't mean anything but it's a very common word in other search phrases.

travs 11-03-2008 05:02 AM

obviously noam knows his own thing. c'mon guys just give it up.

noam 11-03-2008 09:01 AM

Got a client from this thread. I'll ask him to post a testimonial later on but honestly I don't think I'll have time to take on an additional client beyond him.

Agent 488 11-03-2008 10:22 AM

good rankings and good luck.


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