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[johnuno11]

Mccain is.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by johnuno11

Mccain is.

I see ...

Barack Obama
49%

John McCain
44%

http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/

[notoldschool]

If by ahead you mean dickhead well then Mccain is your man.

[gornyhuy]

Still 6 weeks to go - an eternity politically speaking.

[kane]

At the moment the polls show Obama.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...obama-225.html

An average of 8 polls shows Obama ahead by about 3 points. Out of those 8 polls one shows them tied, one has McCain up by 1 point and the other 6 have Obama ahead.

According to www.electoral-vote.com Obama is ahead in the electoral vote 273 to 265.

of course all of this can change. Just a week ago McCain was ahead but I think it was just his post convention bounce and the initial shock/excitement about Palin. He has lost his bounce and things are back to where they were pre-conventions and have been for most of the election.

I think the financial problems will actually help Obama out out. On CNN today they said that 2 out of 3 people polled blamed the republicans for the financial problems. If they continue to get worse it will most likely only help Obama.

[CamTraffic]

go Maccain! obama is a noob

[Intervader]

The fact that it is even close, scares the shit out of me and most others on the planet

[teg0]

Obama is, which is nice.

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by teg0

Obama is, which is nice.

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by teg0

Obama is, which is nice.

That is fucking funny

[Jakez]

Originally Posted by kane

At the moment the polls show Obama.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...obama-225.html

An average of 8 polls shows Obama ahead by about 3 points. Out of those 8 polls one shows them tied, one has McCain up by 1 point and the other 6 have Obama ahead.

According to www.electoral-vote.com Obama is ahead in the electoral vote 273 to 265.

of course all of this can change. Just a week ago McCain was ahead but I think it was just his post convention bounce and the initial shock/excitement about Palin. He has lost his bounce and things are back to where they were pre-conventions and have been for most of the election.

I think the financial problems will actually help Obama out out. On CNN today they said that 2 out of 3 people polled blamed the republicans for the financial problems. If they continue to get worse it will most likely only help Obama.

I've watched electoral-vote.com for a few weeks and Obama has been ahead the entire time at least as long as since the speech he made.

[wheaties]

yeah, cause that's really what I want to know, who's ahead? that's my major deciding factor right there. actual policy issues? don't matter, because really there's only one choice: McBamma

[Lane]

Obama might win even without Ohio

[bloggingseo]

Originally Posted by teg0

Obama is, which is nice.

Hilarious, this is the best pic ever!

[Owner]

I think Diebold is the only one who really knows who is ahead

[Jakez]

Yes, that pic is fucking hilarious. LOL

[shwsrvcs]

it's sad that the republican party is blamed for our woes when the democratic party has been in control of the senate and congress for the past 2 years. pretty much the time that our government has gone down the tubes. Much like the democratic party has been in control of California as Rep. Gov. Schwarzenegger and hasn't been able to do anything to save California. I wonder why? DISCUSS.... LOL!

[Owner]

Originally Posted by shwsrvcs

I wonder why?

Bush has veto power over anything the Democrat controlled Congress wants to pass.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Jakez

I've watched electoral-vote.com for a few weeks and Obama has been ahead the entire time at least as long as since the speech he made.

Yeah I check it almost every day. He has some really good info on that site. Obama has been ahead for almost the whole time. There were a few days right after McCain gave his speech that he took a very slim lead, but he didn't hold it very long.

[kane]

Originally Posted by shwsrvcs

it's sad that the republican party is blamed for our woes when the democratic party has been in control of the senate and congress for the past 2 years. pretty much the time that our government has gone down the tubes. Much like the democratic party has been in control of California as Rep. Gov. Schwarzenegger and hasn't been able to do anything to save California. I wonder why? DISCUSS.... LOL!

Here is a little food for thought. From the time he was elected until July of 2006 ( just a few months before the democrats took control of the house and senate) Bush had vetoed one bill. It was a stem cell research bill. Since then, in the last year and a half, he has vetoed 11 bills.

[RedShoe]

http://270towin.com

dems 202
repubs 163

A week or two ago it said Obama had an 80+% chance of winning the election. If one more state is added it'll show the % again.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by shwsrvcs

it's sad that the republican party is blamed for our woes when the democratic party has been in control of the senate and congress for the past 2 years. pretty much the time that our government has gone down the tubes. Much like the democratic party has been in control of California as Rep. Gov. Schwarzenegger and hasn't been able to do anything to save California. I wonder why? DISCUSS.... LOL!

erratic thinking ... start over and come back ...

[RedShoe]

If Obama can take Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota, and Pennsylvania (which have all 4 voted dem since the 80's) then he'll have a 91% chance of winning.

It will all come down to Ohio.

If Obama gets all the states that have traditionally voted Dem, and McCain gets all the states that have traditionally voted Repub, then it'll all come down to Ohio as they tend to go back and forth between the two parties.

[RedShoe]

fuck you if you think I killed this thread!

[shwsrvcs]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

erratic thinking ... start over and come back ...

the erratic thinking was on purpose. to stir the pot, if you will. I'm back, and here it is...

When Obama (a very new Executive democrat) is introduced to a Democratic controlled (Legislative) Senate and Congress, how much pressure will he be under to pass along the way, many of the Democratic bills that are going to be introduced once he is elected? It will be up to the last (Judicial) branch of the three parts of government to view the influx of Democratic led other 2 branches to regulate some semblance of order. In all instances of History when one side has been in control, madness has ensued.

To extrapolate on this, I will offer the sad state of affairs in my home state of California. We recalled our Democratic governor and elected a celebrity Republican in his stead hoping that his Democratic ties because of his wife (a Kennedy by blood) would somehow be a stepping stone to better things. We got nothing but stall techniques and worse decisions that were supposed to be beneficial to us but garnered nothing but worse economics and a higher deficit budget that we are now supposed to try to rectify by paying even higher taxes than before that will give us less services and worse connections to the people that we have put in charge of our well being. We blame it all on our Governor yet fail to realize that the people that we elected in other elections besides him and laws that we enacted previously are really the things to blame.

I'm not a Bush fan by any stretch of the imagination, but I am not blindly placing my eye on the Democratic nominee Barack Obama, simply because he is not Republican.

DG

[shwsrvcs]

my name is Dave and I love run on sentences!

LOL

[kane]

Originally Posted by RedShoe

If Obama can take Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota, and Pennsylvania (which have all 4 voted dem since the 80's) then he'll have a 91% chance of winning.

It will all come down to Ohio.

If Obama gets all the states that have traditionally voted Dem, and McCain gets all the states that have traditionally voted Repub, then it'll all come down to Ohio as they tend to go back and forth between the two parties.

There are a lot of scenarios that make it so that Obama doesn't have to win Ohio to win. He is going to take Iowa away from the republicans which means if he wins just the states Kerry won (meaning he could lose Florida and Ohio) all he needs is any one of the other swing states and it looks like he has a strong chance of wining New Mexico and maybe even Colorado. So Ohio, while important, may not decide the election.

[Owner]

Neither one of them can fix this mess were in. You can only rely on the lesser of 2 evils here and Obama is at least capable of stabilizing things to a degree and not digging a deeper hole.

McCain/Palin we'll do better??

[shwsrvcs]

Originally Posted by Owner

Neither one of them can fix this mess were in. You can only rely on the lesser of 2 evils here and Obama is at least capable of stabilizing things to a degree and not digging a deeper hole.

McCain/Palin we'll do better??

I'm waiting for either Obama or McCain to say anything intelligent. McCain seems to offer more of Bush, Obama, hasn't really said anything yet about what he will do.

Food for thought: and this is WAY WAY out there, but this may be the first election that we are voting for the vice president. As sad as it sounds, I can imagine some wild people taking shots at Obama due to race and see McCain dying due to stress.... who would you vote for in that case? Biden or Palin? are either presidential material?

DG

[flashfire]

Originally Posted by teg0

Obama is, which is nice.

that is soooo funny

[kane]

Originally Posted by shwsrvcs

I'm waiting for either Obama or McCain to say anything intelligent. McCain seems to offer more of Bush, Obama, hasn't really said anything yet about what he will do.

Food for thought: and this is WAY WAY out there, but this may be the first election that we are voting for the vice president. As sad as it sounds, I can imagine some wild people taking shots at Obama due to race and see McCain dying due to stress.... who would you vote for in that case? Biden or Palin? are either presidential material?

DG

I agree that this is one of the first elections I can remember where the VP candidate really was looked at. For me it is more so for McCain than Obama. The Secret Service are very good at what they do and most racists are cowards and won't act. That said there are always whackjobs out there, but it is very difficult to do any kind of harm to a president. With McCain he is old, has had skin cancer four times and his health records are more than 500 pages thick. Being president is one of, if not the most, stressful job in the world. Just look at how it ages the guys that do it. I wouldn't be at all shocked if a few years into his presidency he died or had to step down due to health concerns.

[shwsrvcs]

Originally Posted by kane

I agree that this is one of the first elections I can remember where the VP candidate really was looked at. For me it is more so for McCain than Obama. The Secret Service are very good at what they do and most racists are cowards and won't act. That said there are always whackjobs out there, but it is very difficult to do any kind of harm to a president. With McCain he is old, has had skin cancer four times and his health records are more than 500 pages thick. Being president is one of, if not the most, stressful job in the world. Just look at how it ages the guys that do it. I wouldn't be at all shocked if a few years into his presidency he died or had to step down due to health concerns.

I couldn't have said it any better myself in a million years.

DG

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