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germ · 10-20-2008, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

"John McCain, who ran for the Republican party nomination in 2000 and is the Republican nominee in 2008, was born at the Coco Solo U.S. military base in the Panama Canal Zone to U.S. parents. Although the Panama Canal Zone was not considered to be part of the United States,[6] federal law states: "Any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States."[7] The law that conferred this status took effect on August 4, 1937, one year after John McCain was born ? albeit with retroactive effect, resulting in McCain being declared a U.S. citizen.[8] However, the question as to whether or not he is a citizen from birth cannot be answered by this law because (1) it took effect after his birth and (2) it does not state that the person's citizenship was acquired at birth, only that they are a citizen by means of the law's establishment (and, hence, at the time the law takes effect). Indeed, the law in 1936 stated that all persons born to two US citizen parents outside the "limits and jurisdictions of the United States" are citizens at birth, but the problem is that the Panama Canal Zone was explicitly excluded. (8 U.S.C. 173 (1925): "The term 'United States' shall be construed to mean the United States, and any waters, territory, or other place subject to the jurisdiction thereof, except the Isthmian Canal Zone.") The status of Mr. McCain's citizenship at birth nonetheless remains unsettled.[9]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen

Children born to soldiers on US military bases are US citizens. The status of his citizenship isnt questionable at all.

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Originally Posted by msp

And Obama is?

Yes. If you think someone could go through the vetting process that running for president and campaigning on the national level for 2 years entails and it not come to light that they arent even a US citizen, you need to take off the tin foil hat.

KillerK · 10-20-2008, 12:36 PM

I seem to remember posts about how we were going to have a Draft if Bush won and we didn't have that. Nothing changed except the financial meltdown but this appears to be a way for the big banks to get bigger and have us help pay for it.

robfantasy · 10-20-2008, 12:40 PM

obama would create an executive order to remain in power forever.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 10-20-2008, 12:45 PM

Colin POwell?

robfantasy · 10-20-2008, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by germ

Yes. If you think someone could go through the vetting process that running for president and campaigning on the national level for 2 years entails and it not come to light that they arent even a US citizen, you need to take off the tin foil hat.

wow u are brainwashed, obama is a just a tool to ease socialism onto the american people.. get the ignorant, desperate and uneducated to believe hope will come from a change and everything will go smoothly.

anyone who disagrees with the agenda is labeled a racist or out of touch and you have the country divided.

ever been to an MLM meeting? same thing

sad how americans are digging their own graves.

DWB · 10-20-2008, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by gornyhuy

Jeb Bush

Jeb Bush +1

And the sad thing is, the American people are just stupid enough to vote for him.

notoldschool · 10-20-2008, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by robfantasy

obama would create an executive order to remain in power forever.

If that could ever happen GWB would have allready set those wheels in motion.

tony286 · 10-20-2008, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by robfantasy

wow u are brainwashed, obama is a just a tool to ease socialism onto the american people.. get the ignorant, desperate and uneducated to believe hope will come from a change and everything will go smoothly.

anyone who disagrees with the agenda is labeled a racist or out of touch and you have the country divided.

ever been to an MLM meeting? same thing

sad how americans are digging their own graves.

Really when W a republican pushed to socialize the financial sector. So when big business gets a huge tax break or subciteries, thats ok but to help the hard working family is socialism thats too funny.
Also during W his tax cuts made the rich richer and employment went down and wages dropped. This trickle down bullshit doesnt work.

deniska · 10-20-2008, 01:11 PM

If Obama wins this time around.. I hope that makes it easier for a jew to run so in that case Michael Bloomberg for President

WhiplashDug · 10-20-2008, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

"John McCain, who ran for the Republican party nomination in 2000 and is the Republican nominee in 2008, was born at the Coco Solo U.S. military base in the Panama Canal Zone to U.S. parents. Although the Panama Canal Zone was not considered to be part of the United States,[6] federal law states: "Any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States."[7] The law that conferred this status took effect on August 4, 1937, one year after John McCain was born ? albeit with retroactive effect, resulting in McCain being declared a U.S. citizen.[8] However, the question as to whether or not he is a citizen from birth cannot be answered by this law because (1) it took effect after his birth and (2) it does not state that the person's citizenship was acquired at birth, only that they are a citizen by means of the law's establishment (and, hence, at the time the law takes effect). Indeed, the law in 1936 stated that all persons born to two US citizen parents outside the "limits and jurisdictions of the United States" are citizens at birth, but the problem is that the Panama Canal Zone was explicitly excluded. (8 U.S.C. 173 (1925): "The term 'United States' shall be construed to mean the United States, and any waters, territory, or other place subject to the jurisdiction thereof, except the Isthmian Canal Zone.") The status of Mr. McCain's citizenship at birth nonetheless remains unsettled.[9]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen

This is pointless. How does a change to include the children of parents STATIONED overseas as citizens compare to someone like the Governator?

robfantasy · 10-20-2008, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Really when W a republican pushed to socialize the financial sector. So when big business gets a huge tax break or subciteries, thats ok but to help the hard working family is socialism thats too funny.
Also during W his tax cuts made the rich richer and employment went down and wages dropped. This trickle down bullshit doesnt work.

LOL, so you think that by taking money from hard working business owners who invest risk and hard work into making a successful business we should penalize them and take their money and redistribute to the guy who settles for paycheck to paycheck because he didnt want to work hard in the beginning.

business owners will just hire less people or outsource, very simple, u think its bad now, just wait and see whats coming.

germ · 10-20-2008, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by robfantasy

LOL, so you think that by taking money from hard working business owners who invest risk and hard work into making a successful business we should penalize them and take their money and redistribute to the guy who settles for paycheck to paycheck because he didnt want to work hard in the beginning.

business owners will just hire less people or outsource, very simple, u think its bad now, just wait and see whats coming.

the tax increase for people making 250k-600k a year is THREE PERCENT.

Tell me how many small businesses are making over 600k a year.

Stop getting all your information from Fox news.

Also...Obamas plan calls for tax breaks for people that DONT outsource the jobs. As it stands now, you get tax breaks whether you keep jobs in the US or send them overseas. He wants to put a stop to that.

germ · 10-20-2008, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by robfantasy

anyone who disagrees with the agenda is labeled a racist or out of touch and you have the country divided.

If you think the Obama campaign is the divisive one, you havent been paying attention.

robfantasy · 10-20-2008, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by germ

the tax increase for people making 250k-600k a year is THREE PERCENT.

Tell me how many small businesses are making over 600k a year.

Stop getting all your information from Fox news.

Also...Obamas plan calls for tax breaks for people that DONT outsource the jobs. As it stands now, you get tax breaks whether you keep jobs in the US or send them overseas. He wants to put a stop to that.

uhm, most businesses make over 600k a year.

and i get my information from all sources, thank you

WhiplashDug · 10-20-2008, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Really when W a republican pushed to socialize the financial sector. So when big business gets a huge tax break or subciteries, thats ok but to help the hard working family is socialism thats too funny.
Also during W his tax cuts made the rich richer and employment went down and wages dropped. This trickle down bullshit doesnt work.

You forget to note one major point. The Bush Tax cuts while they lowered the actual % rates paid, they dramatically increased TOTAL tax revenue and also increased the % of total tax paid by the rich. So under BUSH - the RICH actually paid MORE in total tax dollars.

robfantasy · 10-20-2008, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by germ

If you think the Obama campaign is the divisive one, you havent been paying attention.

it comes down to the ignorant and naive vs. the educated and successful

MaDalton · 10-20-2008, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by robfantasy

uhm, most businesses make over 600k a year.

and i get my information from all sources, thank you

profit or revenue?

Sexxxy Sites · 10-20-2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

"John McCain, who ran for the Republican party nomination in 2000 and is the Republican nominee in 2008, was born at the Coco Solo U.S. military base in the Panama Canal Zone to U.S. parents. Although the Panama Canal Zone was not considered to be part of the United States,[6] federal law states: "Any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States."[7] The law that conferred this status took effect on August 4, 1937, one year after John McCain was born ? albeit with retroactive effect, resulting in McCain being declared a U.S. citizen.[8] However, the question as to whether or not he is a citizen from birth cannot be answered by this law because (1) it took effect after his birth and (2) it does not state that the person's citizenship was acquired at birth, only that they are a citizen by means of the law's establishment (and, hence, at the time the law takes effect). Indeed, the law in 1936 stated that all persons born to two US citizen parents outside the "limits and jurisdictions of the United States" are citizens at birth, but the problem is that the Panama Canal Zone was explicitly excluded. (8 U.S.C. 173 (1925): "The term 'United States' shall be construed to mean the United States, and any waters, territory, or other place subject to the jurisdiction thereof, except the Isthmian Canal Zone.") The status of Mr. McCain's citizenship at birth nonetheless remains unsettled.[9]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen

That is not applicable to Senator McCain as his father was in the military and was stationed there.

_Richard_ · 10-20-2008, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by pussyserver

no question about t .. it will be Sarah Palin

no way.. soon as the media blackout ends..

SL|M! · 10-20-2008, 02:37 PM

if the country goes well, they will probably have a second rate candidate as its hard to beat the incumbent. If shit is bad, somone might just take his shot.

Jindal maybe.

notoldschool · 10-20-2008, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by robfantasy

uhm, most businesses make over 600k a year.

and i get my information from all sources, thank you

WTF?

I think you meant to say

Most businesses DON'T make over 600K a year.

CDSmith · 10-20-2008, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

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Originally Posted by CDSmith
I think if they want him (Arnold) bad enough they will find a way to do just that.

Many say the notion is ridiculous and will never happen, I say it's possible.

No they would not and no it is not.

You sound so certain, I almost believe you.

germ · 10-20-2008, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by robfantasy

uhm, most businesses make over 600k a year.

Not true. There are far more businesses in the < $600k annual profit range than > $600k.

Granted, for the ones that are in that bracket...the sky is the limit. However, more people will be helped by Obamas tax proposals than will be hurt by them.

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Originally Posted by robfantasy

it comes down to the ignorant and naive vs. the educated and successful

So in one post you condemn the Obama campaign because you feel that anyone who disagrees with his policies and proposals will be labeled as racist or out of touch, yet you feel that anyone who disagrees with your viewpoints is ignorant and naive?

BradM · 10-20-2008, 02:54 PM

Arnold can not run and the law will not be amended. So no shot at that.

LisaWP · 10-20-2008, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by cdsmith

i know that all the staunch conservatives here are 100% certain he's going to win,

but indulge for a moment... If he were to lose... Whom do you think would be the republican nominee in 2012?

I have an idea who it might be but i'm interested in what everyone else thinks first.

dennis miller!!!!

CDSmith · 10-20-2008, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BradM

Arnold can not run and the law will not be amended. So no shot at that.

Don't take it as a slight to your ego but forgive me if I remain unconvinced. Like I said before, if enough repubs want him to run they will find a way. The birth circumstances of existing candidates are already questionable enough that Arnold having a shot wouldn't be all that much more of a stretch (see posts already in this thread about this).

Keyword of course being if.

crockett · 10-20-2008, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

Sarah Palin with Gov Christ as her VP.

Christ is a closest case homosexual, lol that would be the best pick ever for the GOP..

robfantasy · 10-20-2008, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by germ

So in one post you condemn the Obama campaign because you feel that anyone who disagrees with his policies and proposals will be labeled as racist or out of touch, yet you feel that anyone who disagrees with your viewpoints is ignorant and naive?

yes, all left wing media outlets have confirmed that anyone disagreeing w/ obama is racist or out of touch with reality..

im not saying anyone who disagrees w/ my viewpoints is ignorant and naive, because you dont know my viewpoints, and my viewpoints arent necessarily mccains.

i am saying that the obamas campaign is targeted to appeal to the ignorant, naive, uneducated and desperate.

unfortunately, it is evident that this is becoming the majority in america.

sperbonzo · 10-20-2008, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

No they would not and no it is not.

Totally agree with you Lloyd, Arnold is no republican, and the party wouldn't want him... and certainly wouldn't push for an amendment to get him on a ballot. It would be more likely that he will just change parties in a few years anyway...

.... for that matter McCain ain't much of a republican either, but... what are ya gonna do?

*shrugs*

.

MaDalton · 10-20-2008, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

profit or revenue?

no answer?

i guess it's a common confusion - the number of small businesses that make more than $250k PROFIT per year - assuming that the owner also already has paid himself an income - is pretty low.

Matt 26z · 10-20-2008, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Blue

Rudy Giuliani's hatchet job of the Dems at the RNC definitely gave him some brownie points for a future run.

Politicians that I don't agree with generally do not bother me, but when Giuliani talks I just want to puke. He really gets under my skin.

stickyfingerz · 10-20-2008, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by LisaWP

dennis miller!!!!

Omg girl ok maybe we need to talk more.

Think I just let my DennisMiller2008.com domain go a while ago lol

campimp · 10-20-2008, 07:11 PM

Mitt Romney

DaddyHalbucks · 10-20-2008, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by gornyhuy

Jeb Bush

Jeb would be a good choice, but I am not sure how wild I am about having family dynasties monopolize the White House.

CamTraffic · 10-20-2008, 07:50 PM

everybody in the US making over 100k will get a fat one is their asses!

Mutt · 10-20-2008, 07:57 PM

Jeb Bush is more capable than his brother - he may have to wait longer because Dubya really has tarnished the Bush name.

why won't Jindal run for President? I've heard very good things about Jindal.

CDSmith · 10-21-2008, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CamTraffic

everybody in the US making over 100k will get a fat one is their asses!

It always makes me smile in amusement and wonder, whenever I see or hear people criticizing a candidate for wanting to raise taxes. Where do these critics think the money is going to come from to pay for Bush's war?

Then I remember the guy who said "They can just print more, and pay for it that way."

:D

Snake Doctor · 10-21-2008, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

That youngun from weezy-ana. Whatshis name.. mumbly joe... Almost generated a massive recall election cuz he tries so hard to stand on the razors edge between conflicting interests............ Lil Bobby Jindal.

I disagree with your assesment of my governor....that being said, in 2016 I think he'll be a serious contender.

As a one term governor, he's not going to want to take on a sitting president in a year when the economy is likely to be good/growing.

In 2016 when it's wide open, if he can run as the guy who finally cleaned up Louisiana politics (the world capital of dirty politicians), he'll be hard to beat.

Snake Doctor · 10-21-2008, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by robfantasy

LOL, so you think that by taking money from hard working business owners who invest risk and hard work into making a successful business we should penalize them and take their money and redistribute to the guy who settles for paycheck to paycheck because he didnt want to work hard in the beginning.

business owners will just hire less people or outsource, very simple, u think its bad now, just wait and see whats coming.

I don't know why I'm bothering to address you, because your political beliefs are as deranged as the guy in your avatar's religious beliefs.....

But this tax conversation is dominating this thread so here goes....

We've always had progressive income tax in this country. Every industrialized nation has progressive income tax.
ALL TAXES are a redistribution of wealth. Government takes money from people, and uses it (hopefully) for the betterment of the entire society.

Obama wants to put tax rates for top earners, and for capital gains, back to where they were during the Clinton administration.
All of you fucking chicken littles were predicting a massive recession and major unemployment when Clinton raised taxes on the top bracket to 39.6%.......and then we went on to create 22 million new jobs, move more people from the lower class to the middle class and more people from the middle class to the upper class than any 8 year period in our history.

So just STFU with your "socialist, redistribution, going to kill the economy" bullshit, because the facts are not on your side.
You are entitled to your own opinion, you are not entitled to your own facts.

Snake Doctor · 10-21-2008, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

It always makes me smile in amusement and wonder, whenever I see or hear people criticizing a candidate for wanting to raise taxes. Where do these critics think the money is going to come from to pay for Bush's war?

Then I remember the guy who said "They can just print more, and pay for it that way."

:D

The way I figure, if it's poor people's kids who are fighting and dying for this country (and that IS the vast majority of our military)
Then the least the rich people and their kids can do is pay for it.

fsudirectory · 10-21-2008, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ADL Colin

I could see that. She'll have 6 years experience at that point. Crist is a good pick for a key battleground state

If she doesnt get Recalled in Alaska after this election lol

fsudirectory · 10-21-2008, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

I don't know why I'm bothering to address you, because your political beliefs are as deranged as the guy in your avatar's religious beliefs.....

But this tax conversation is dominating this thread so here goes....

We've always had progressive income tax in this country. Every industrialized nation has progressive income tax.
ALL TAXES are a redistribution of wealth. Government takes money from people, and uses it (hopefully) for the betterment of the entire society.

Obama wants to put tax rates for top earners, and for capital gains, back to where they were during the Clinton administration.
All of you fucking chicken littles were predicting a massive recession and major unemployment when Clinton raised taxes on the top bracket to 39.6%.......and then we went on to create 22 million new jobs, move more people from the lower class to the middle class and more people from the middle class to the upper class than any 8 year period in our history.

So just STFU with your "socialist, redistribution, going to kill the economy" bullshit, because the facts are not on your side.
You are entitled to your own opinion, you are not entitled to your own facts.

Agreed.

And if you cant afford a little bit of extra taxes, profiting over 250k, and only being taxed higher on that additional income over 250k... you are living way too close to the edge and probably leveraged too highly and should rethink your current living habits. Maybe you dont really have the money to support that 2nd house, or that 2nd car and stop living in a fucking fantasy land.

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