~Ray

what would the Obama supporters say about this video? Would they say that the guy does not know what he is talking about? Maybe... until he walks away from the camera.

enjoy an honest point of view

https://youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8

~Ray
usn '90 - '95

__________________
Adult Backlinks for Adult Websites - Testimonials Available

klaze

How are you sure it's honest?

Just like people believe what Micheal Moore says...

spacedog

My heart sank when he walked away.

Sacrifice indeed.
A man such as him deserves honor.

stickyfingerz

Ahh I was saving that vid for the next Obama thread..

tony286

Where is bin laden he killed 3000 Americans?

IllTestYourGirls

I did not watch the video.

But this is how ignorant Americans are. Bin Laden was NEVER charged with 9/11 EVER.

__________________

marketsmart

sorry, but there are just as many veterans that are against mccain...

i feel bad for all the military persons who were sent to fight based on a pack of lies...

i have deep respect for the military men and women, but i have no respect for the govt..

over 1/2 of congress, both democrats and republicans were found to be profiting from the war in some direct or indirect way...

After Shock Media

I do not get it.
He spoke about a war for freedom. He also used the word tyranny which really throws it off as I do not recall any tyrants putting our freedoms at risk. He in all effects just put together a well crafted speech of standard spin and jargon.

A lot more than Obama supporters think, feel, and know that the war in Iraq was a mistake.

Now maybe he can make another video asking what the fuck happened to the supplies, the armor, and the general support of turning soldiers into peace keepers. I think that may really concern him. You know that shit most people would call planning and properly equipping everyone from day one.

__________________

IllTestYourGirls

My grandfather is a WW2 vet so are many of his friends. At a get together last weekend they were all going off about how much they hate McCain. They did not have kind words for Obama either.

__________________

stickyfingerz

This is what they call a "strawman" argument...

After Shock Media

Oh come on. Do you have any real doubts that he did not do it?

__________________

After Shock Media

PS sticky ah never mind. I will not go there.

__________________

EmpireAutopilot

He doesn't know what he's talking about.

IllTestYourGirls

Yes. If there is not enough evidence to even indict him there is not enough to convict him. The "awww come on" argument does not work in court

__________________

After Shock Media

Correction - Conspired to have it committed. Realized I left way to much wiggle room in the "he did it".

__________________

EmpireAutopilot

Yeah.

Sorry he joined a military known for sticking it's nose in other countries affairs?

Sorry he blindly followed orders and was a part of an illegal war waged on lies and got hurt in the process?

Sorry that he's too stupid to realize that everything he spoke of in the video is irrelevant if we shouldn't have invaded Iraq in the first place?

Sorry that he has to live with the fact that he was a part of or complicit in the deaths of thousands of Iraqis, again based on 100% lies from the Bush admin?

Sorry that not everyone will honor someone stupid enough to do all of the above then take up for the idiocy because he's so patriotic?

What exactly should he be honored for?

stickyfingerz

Maybe him giving the speech saying he did it?

IllTestYourGirls

He is not wanted for conspiracy either
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm

__________________

IllTestYourGirls

Just like the speeches he gave after his death?

__________________

After Shock Media

Do you even read your own links?

__________________

IllTestYourGirls

He is wanted for the first trade center attacks not 9/11

__________________

After Shock Media

MURDER OF U.S. NATIONALS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES; CONSPIRACY TO MURDER U.S. NATIONALS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES; ATTACK ON A FEDERAL FACILITY RESULTING IN DEATH

USAMA BIN LADEN

Perhaps it is a typo.

__________________

IllTestYourGirls

MURDER OF U.S. NATIONALS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES

__________________

cykoe6

Of course the left still supports the troops. Dont you dare question their patriotism either.

__________________
бабки, шлюхи, сила

bhutocracy

It's a really good campaign video. Very well executed, great idea with the walking away at the end. Still just good campaigning/propaganda though because it's not as if anything he says is actually of any value, it's just about the emotive plea.
As far as knowing what he's talking about, getting a leg blown off in a war doesn't automatically make you a foreign policy expert, as evidenced in his BS speech which is pretty much "soldiers are dead, therefore the war is right because otherwise they'd be dead for no reason".. riiiiight buddy.

It'll work on a certain type of person, but it's mostly preaching to the choir ie the people that think we actually went there to give the Iraqi's "freedom" lol.

EmpireAutopilot

Troops should take actions that deserve honor and respect. I guess I'm just weird but before I blindly take orders to go into another country and kill people that are defending their backyard I want to do a little research. 5 years later when it comes out that the entire war I was a part of is based on lies I don't continue to brag about how patriotic I am and think I am deserving of respect.

I look at soldiers the same way I look at cops. You see a fucked up cop doing fucked up cop things and someone always comes in to say "Most cops are good, this is just some random idiot!". No most cops aren't good. A good person cracks the fucking skull of a dirty cop that does dirty cop shit to normal people. He does not look the other way while claiming moral superiority to everyone else.

stickyfingerz

Oh come on now...

IllTestYourGirls

again not my words
https://youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg

__________________

EmpireAutopilot

It's pretty fucking obvious that Bin Laden is dead. If you aren't aware of this I suggest you look into it before talking out of your ass.








By look into it I don't mean watch Fox News.

EmpireAutopilot

IllTestYourGirls

I have not seen that one. Thanks

__________________

~Ray

I just thought it was nice to hear from a non political analyst.. as far as i know.

__________________
Adult Backlinks for Adult Websites - Testimonials Available

SoloGirlsContent

Let me say this FUCK MCCAIN, FUCK BUSH..IRAQ WAS FOR OIL!!! NOT REVENGE..NOT TO FIND BIN LADEN...OIL OIL OIL..not for us...OIL for Cheney and BUSH to make their pockets fatter.

This was a lie and a mistake..take all that youtube video and stick it in your gas tank. You just been punk'd by the Bush ADMINISTRATION

dav3

Yea, because Iraqis are much more free and safe from terrorism today. Whatever.

How are Iraqis free, when their homes get the doors kicked in and searched and there are Coalition imposed curfews?

How are Iraqis safe from terror, when they are caught in the crossfire between 'the coalition' and 'the terrorists' every single day?

We need to keep our military for defense, not offensive militant business tactics and big money oil grabs disguised as 'liberation'.

__________________

IllTestYourGirls

Which Senator profited the most from the Iraq war? Ill give you 2 hints. It starts with John and ends Kerry.

__________________

notoldschool

Why dont dont you sign up then pussy. Dont act like you speak for any soldiers. You wouldnt know what sacrifice is. You talking about soldiers is like Palin talking about foriegn policy.

__________________
No doubt one may quote history to support any cause, as the devil quotes scripture.
-- Learned Hand

http://www.bjpenn.com

notoldschool

He doesnt speak for the masses and its obvious he is reading a script. I wouldnt doubt he was just an actor.

__________________
No doubt one may quote history to support any cause, as the devil quotes scripture.
-- Learned Hand

http://www.bjpenn.com

cykoe6

This is the kind of in-depth and informative analysis which is bound to sway many people to consider your position. Nice work.

__________________
бабки, шлюхи, сила

~Ray

it's nice to see the disabled working

__________________
Adult Backlinks for Adult Websites - Testimonials Available

stickyfingerz

Please keep pushing for Obama. PLEASE cause its people like you that will cause the shift away from him.

Btw I find it HYSTERICAL that you quoted me talking about a strawman argument, and then using another strawman argument.

stickyfingerz

A hired actor that needs to have a script to 'read' off of. Ya that rings true....

dav3

__________________

mikeyddddd

He should be honored for the sacrifices he made while serving in our military. He has earned the right to state his opinions and for your right to state yours as well.

If I were in his position I would be mad as hell at the Bush administration and expressed a different opinion. But, he has chosen to express himself in this way.

That's what I would have done.

I don't know how those in charge of the war can live with themselves knowing that they lied about the reasons for the war and did not properly equip and prepare those they were commanding nor did they concern themselves with their care and well-being after their service was completed.

Then they denigrate the character and ridicule the patriotism of anyone who questions their war and how it was managed? They are the unpatriotic ones who have done disservice to the country. They should be ashamed of themselves and their behavior.

(Full Disclosure: I served in the military in a non-combat support position during peacetime.)

__________________

notoldschool

LOL i doubt it. Because you actually beleive that anyone on this board will be swayed by one of our posts is proof enough to discredit anything you say. Like i said, dont speak about shit you dont know about, and what actual soldeirs think, lets just say you are far from the type of person to step up the plate for your country. You are a sexually confused boy who needs his temporary peice of ass to stick up for him on adult messege boards.

__________________
No doubt one may quote history to support any cause, as the devil quotes scripture.
-- Learned Hand

http://www.bjpenn.com

stickyfingerz

Didn't we decide I was older than you? Im 35 far from a 'boy'. And you can think whatever you like, just like the same nutjobs like you thought in 2004.

IllTestYourGirls

Im going to have to agree with you here. not that he is a nut job. but that the dems think the same thing every year and lose. Obama should have won this thing going away but look how fucked he has made it. pick clinton as vp and he sweeps this fucking thing.

__________________

stickyfingerz

You had me till the Clinton part. lol Republicans would of came out in large droves to vote against her. With Biden it will be medium droves, but not large droves.

We'll see how it goes, but the dems are using the same exact stupid crap they always do. They have a Pres candidate that comes off as an elitist, and doesn't give people that "genuine" feeling. Comes off as fake and transparent. Kind of like eating a hollow marshmallow.

notoldschool

Lol, you are a little boy mentally. You dont get clearence to work in division S1 being a nutjob. Its people like yourself who believe that all soldiers must be Republican because you grew up watching Fox news makes your ignorance obvious. Are you saying that people that voted against Bush in 04 were nutjobs. LOL after what our country has become and the way our economy has went down the tubes you are obviously more the nutjob because you still think your lackeys are doing a good job. Just like your program your beliefs are out of gas.

__________________
No doubt one may quote history to support any cause, as the devil quotes scripture.
-- Learned Hand

http://www.bjpenn.com

stickyfingerz

I grew up watching Fox news? lmao I had 4 channels growing up. Abc, Nbc, cbs, and pbs Fox news started what year again? Pretty sure it was sometime around when I graduated in 1991.

Its your repeated bs about "Fox news" they are conspiring with the republicans. There is a war for oil. blah blah. Its awesome though that you run around here with your "I am a huge program owner, I been in dis biz for a million years" crap. You call me a pussy for not enlisting, but you are too much of a pussy to post on a message board your opinions without doing it from behind a veil of cowardice.

mikeyddddd

As opposed to the Republicans having a real actual elitist who only acts genuine.

__________________