**New Euro Webmaster Show *** Prague***Urgent Feedback Required***

[Domain Diva]

Recently I got approached by a very big european adult company asking if I would get involved in a major new euro show in 09 and that they intended to do the show in Prague.

Based on this I would welcome any feedback that the webmasters of gfy could offer so that I can advise them better

Firstly is the location Prague the best or maybe Spain or London ?

Second question is they considered a date of 26-30th June is that a good date if not why and what date would be best

Yes everyone knows that enough shows exsist but this is going to be a gig that really is made totally for adult webmasters both on a financial,business and personal level

The chances of this taking place are very high so any comments would be greatly appricated and could affect the outcome of such show

Thanks

Claire

[DateDoc]

T-ShirtFest Prague 09

[KMR Stitch]

Too many fucking shows. The ones that are out there now are struggling. Jesus people stop doing shows and fucking do some work.

[Sly]

For anyone to fully be able to answer your questions, they would need to know who the target market is. Webmasters, production people, program owners, etc. It's also important to know if the target is Europeans or Europeans and Americans. For example, Americans may be more likely to go to London as its easier to get to and more familiar than say... Prague.

[Sly]

Honestly, instead of more people starting more shows... why not invest in some of the good shows that are already out there? Save some headaches, add some definite quality to those shows, and it would be cheaper. A new show is not going to make any money most likely, will probably lose quite a bit... does your client really want that?

[Domain Diva]

Originally Posted by Sly

For anyone to fully be able to answer your questions, they would need to know who the target market is. Webmasters, production people, program owners, etc. It's also important to know if the target is Europeans or Europeans and Americans. For example, Americans may be more likely to go to London as its easier to get to and more familiar than say... Prague.

Thanks Sly the target market is Europeans and Americans.

London was actually the first choice but after looking at costs to the webmaster and facilites Prague was given first option but that could change based on the comments given on gfy.

Thanks for the reply much appricated

[KMR Stitch]

Originally Posted by Promo Claire

Yes everyone knows that enough shows exsist but this is going to be a gig that really is made totally for adult webmasters both on a financial,business and personal level

Name one show that is not catered totally to adult webmasters on a financial, business, and personal level?

Name one? They all cater totally to adult webmasters on a financial, business, and personal level!

What more can you do to cater totally to adult webmasters on a financial, business, and personal level?

Xbiz Summer Forum = Caters to adult webmasters on a financial, business, and personal level.
The Phoenix Forum = Caters to adult webmasters on a financial, business, and personal level.
Internext = Caters to adult webmasters on a financial, business, and personal level.
Costa Rica Bash = Caters to adult webmasters on a financial, business, and personal level.
JBM CABO = Caters to adult webmasters on a financial, business, and personal level.
Webmaster Access Shows = Caters to adult webmasters on a financial, business, and personal level.
and more.........


Every single show does what you are saying will be catered to adult webmasters on a financial, business, and personal level. There is no better. There is only different city, stripclubs, parties, and bullshit panel topics. There is no reason for anyone to do more shows. None.

Tell them to invest their money in traffic and save themselves the headache.

[Domain Diva]

Originally Posted by Sly

Honestly, instead of more people starting more shows... why not invest in some of the good shows that are already out there? Save some headaches, add some definite quality to those shows, and it would be cheaper. A new show is not going to make any money most likely, will probably lose quite a bit... does your client really want that?

Yes Sly it is not a money issue its a branding thing and wanting to establish a european show of thier own

[MaDalton]

as much as i would like a show in Prague i don't see room for another show. it's too many already. i wish Eric would listen to me and switch Webmaster Access between Amsterdam and Prague ;)

but more than one european show for US webmasters i really don't see

[Domain Diva]

Originally Posted by KMR Stitch

Name one show that is not catered totally to adult webmasters on a financial, business, and personal level?

Name one? They all cater totally to adult webmasters on a financial, business, and personal level!

What more can you do to cater totally to adult webmasters on a financial, business, and personal level?

Xbiz Summer Forum = Caters to adult webmasters on a financial, business, and personal level.
The Phoenix Forum = Caters to adult webmasters on a financial, business, and personal level.
Internext = Caters to adult webmasters on a financial, business, and personal level.
Costa Rica Bash = Caters to adult webmasters on a financial, business, and personal level.
JBM CABO = Caters to adult webmasters on a financial, business, and personal level.
Webmaster Access Shows = Caters to adult webmasters on a financial, business, and personal level.
and more.........


Every single show does what you are saying will be catered to adult webmasters on a financial, business, and personal level. There is no better. There is only different city, stripclubs, parties, and bullshit panel topics. There is no reason for anyone to do more shows. None.

Tell them to invest their money in traffic and save themselves the headache.

I totally agree KMR Stitch but every show you mentioned is usa based although webmasteraccess has the amsterdam show.

The market is growing in europe and I think they are looking at tempting usa webmasters to experience that region more and combining it with thier euro customers

[Roald]

tell them it's not worth the headache. and yes I speak from experience.

[Domain Diva]

Originally Posted by Roald

tell them it's not worth the headache. and yes I speak from experience.

I think they have considered the cost and dont expect the first show to be without headace also they are using trade event consultants and from what Im told some of those consultants have experience in adult trade shows in europe and usa already.

It was the date and location that they could not decide on

[KMR Stitch]

Originally Posted by Promo Claire

I totally agree KMR Stitch but every show you mentioned is usa based although webmasteraccess has the amsterdam show.

The market is growing in europe and I think they are looking at tempting usa webmasters to experience that region more and combining it with thier euro customers

AWE has a great show.

Webmaster Access Amsterdam is awesome too.

Not sure how many shows the world needs. Seems like a waste of time. I live in the u.s. and I won't go.

American's don't want to spend 2500 bucks round trip to go to a trade show, another 1200 in hotel. You should really look at the ROI.

Searched this:

5:45am
DFW 10:35am
PRG

Arrives 16 Feb
1-stop
Atlanta
(10 hr 13 min layover)
21 hr 50 min
Delta 756
Boeing 757
In-Flight Services
Coach (B)
View Seats
Delta 62
Boeing 767-300ER
In-Flight Services
Coach (B)
View Seats

From $2,756.80 round trip
+ $75.82 Taxes/Fees = $2,832.62

+ Hotel at roughly 1200 give or take. Time from work. If I want to spend this kind of money I want to take a real vacation. There are tons of shows to attend for 1/4 this price to network.

Just honest opinion here. Americans are not going to Europe in droves. The economy sucks. We aren't spending money on traveling to Europe for shows.

Target the European market, save your headache.

[»Rob Content«]

Unless this show offers something virtually amazing, I don't foresee getting a strong or much attention from the US market. As there are many shows in the USA, not to mention the Costa Rica show, and The island gathering it would be a very tough decision to make a trip over to Europe. To make a trip like that you're looking at a solid week of work missed, keep in mind flight times, costs, jet lag, 4 days for the show, 2 days for flying 1 day for packing/unpacking. It just does not make sense.

PLUS, a new show, where no one knows what to expect, how well it's organized I don't really see a lot of people saying "fuck I cannot miss this!"

And as many people have said prior to this, there are simply just too many shows.

I myself would think the ideal thing here if they wanted to break into and test the show market would be to do a small gathering for basically Euro webmasters and then build from it. If they target them, do a great show then word spreads and people will want to attend the next year. Phoenix started small, and so did other shows. To really make this a good show I would aim small keep it more local impress everyone and come the next year, it's on.

[Roald]

to be perfectly honest I think there are enough shows already

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Promo Claire

I totally agree KMR Stitch but every show you mentioned is usa based although webmasteraccess has the amsterdam show.

The market is growing in europe and I think they are looking at tempting usa webmasters to experience that region more and combining it with thier euro customers

If you want Americans to come to Europe, you are really really really going to need to offer something unique. Most of us only need to travel within a couple hundred miles to go to any number of great shows. To get us to travel thousands of miles, get a passport (a lot of Americans still don't have one), and shell out thousands of dollars, it's going to have to be something incredibly unique.

Free registration will need to be a given... Hotel giveaways would probably be an attraction as well. It's just going to be very difficult to get an American to spend money they don't need to spend to see people that they can see at any American show.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Promo Claire

I think they have considered the cost and dont expect the first show to be without headace also they are using trade event consultants and from what Im told some of those consultants have experience in adult trade shows in europe and usa already.

It was the date and location that they could not decide on

why do you come and ask when you already made up your mind? use the search and put in "Snowgathering", then you see what Roald means

then search a bit more and look what happened to the AOE Show.

or wait, i save you the time: it's dead

there are 2 more european shows btw., they are called www.eurowebtainment.com

but anyways, i would come since it's only 2 hour drive for me, but don't expect too many others

[darksoul]

imho, there aren't enough shows in Europe so its a good idea.
The only attendable show is webmaster access the rest (2 ?) are crap in EU
so theres room for another one.
my 2c.

[KMR Stitch]

Ok, here is how to make americans go.


Free Airfare
Free Hotel
Free Registration
All Open Bar
All Free Food
Daily Stipend for work lost
Travel Perdiem

I'm So there if this happens!

[KMR Stitch]

Ok, here is how to make americans go.


Free Airfare
Free Hotel
Free Registration
All Open Bar
All Free Food
Daily Stipend for work lost
Travel Per diem

I'm So there if this happens!

[Domain Diva]

Originally Posted by VG.Content

Unless this show offers something virtually amazing, I don't foresee getting a strong or much attention from the US market. As there are many shows in the USA, not to mention the Costa Rica show, and The island gathering it would be a very tough decision to make a trip over to Europe. To make a trip like that you're looking at a solid week of work missed, keep in mind flight times, costs, jet lag, 4 days for the show, 2 days for flying 1 day for packing/unpacking. It just does not make sense.

PLUS, a new show, where no one knows what to expect, how well it's organized I don't really see a lot of people saying "fuck I cannot miss this!"

And as many people have said prior to this, there are simply just too many shows.

I myself would think the ideal thing here if they wanted to break into and test the show market would be to do a small gathering for basically Euro webmasters and then build from it. If they target them, do a great show then word spreads and people will want to attend the next year. Phoenix started small, and so did other shows. To really make this a good show I would aim small keep it more local impress everyone and come the next year, it's on.

It costs me about 5k in total to go to a usa show for 2 although thats not the subject.

You are jumping to a lot of conclusions ? They are thinking of taking the whole hotel and inc 2 meals a day the 3 days would be $500-$600 for hotel they are also thinking of making a subsidy so it could be less ,and flights will be handled too this is going to be under a 2k show based on what I have seen all in.

This is not some half ass idea they are looking at a big investment.


Still Im not getting the feedback as regards the date and location

[KMR Stitch]

Claire you make no sense. You ask for feedback, people give it, its not what you want to hear so you get defensive. Sounds like you don't need feedback and wanted instead a bunch of people to come in saying, "I'm so there" and wow "I can't wait". Damn. Why even ask if your big clients have their minds made up?
Stop wasting peoples time.

[darksoul]

Originally Posted by Promo Claire

Still Im not getting the feedback as regards the date and location

The location seems perfect, end of June its a bit early for some but I guess it could work.
It would be better somewhere in July/August though

[darksoul]

Originally Posted by KMR Stitch

Claire you make no sense. You ask for feedback, people give it, its not what you want to hear so you get defensive. Sounds like you don't need feedback and wanted instead a bunch of people to come in saying, "I'm so there" and wow "I can't wait". Damn. Why even ask if your big clients have their minds made up?
Stop wasting peoples time.

You're assuming they care much about US people. WA gets only a handful of them and I don't think they should be concerned with that.

[Domain Diva]

Originally Posted by darksoul

imho, there aren't enough shows in Europe so its a good idea.
The only attendable show is webmaster access the rest (2 ?) are crap in EU
so theres room for another one.
my 2c.

thanks for the comment? what location and dateline ?

[Domain Diva]

Originally Posted by darksoul

You're assuming they care much about US people. WA gets only a handful of them and I don't think they should be concerned with that.

Well I think they wish to accomadate as many as possible.

It maybe they contact webmaster access and try to do a deal with them I was only asked to see if the location and date was good and if it was a show that they invested in and the cost was low would anyone have interest

[Roald]

Originally Posted by Promo Claire

It costs me about 5k in total to go to a usa show for 2 although thats not the subject.

You are jumping to a lot of conclusions ? They are thinking of taking the whole hotel and inc 2 meals a day the 3 days would be $500-$600 for hotel they are also thinking of making a subsidy so it could be less ,and flights will be handled too this is going to be under a 2k show based on what I have seen all in.

This is not some half ass idea they are looking at a big investment.


Still Im not getting the feedback as regards the date and location

I seriously doubt all the above, under a 2k show in total for a US webmaster huh! Would this mean we Europeans get paid to come over?

[Domain Diva]

Originally Posted by KMR Stitch

Claire you make no sense. You ask for feedback, people give it, its not what you want to hear so you get defensive. Sounds like you don't need feedback and wanted instead a bunch of people to come in saying, "I'm so there" and wow "I can't wait". Damn. Why even ask if your big clients have their minds made up?
Stop wasting peoples time.

Im not going defensive on anything as I just mentioned if its a No I would advise them to consider teaming up with webmaster access or others

Its called a debate and a debate cannot be all one way or thats a discussion

kisses

[Sly]

Originally Posted by darksoul

You're assuming they care much about US people. WA gets only a handful of them and I don't think they should be concerned with that.

That's because she said they want Americans. If they don't care all that much about Americans, then go for it. The Europeans I'm sure will have a good time and the few Americans that choose to go.

[Brad]

Here's my 2 cents.

If it's going to be subsidized, the location doesn't really matter. I don't see how it is possible to bring people there for 2k based on current flight costs, etc. But if you can... London is really expensive but is a hub and is cheaper to fly to so it seems the obvious choice. It will be tough to get North Americans interested in the show because there are so many shows already and the time difference makes it harder to do biz with each other. Plus the fact that you will have very little chance getting webmasters to the show what is the incentive for us to go? Aside from having a good time.

[Pornopat]

I am so not gonna say anything in this thread.
EVen though its on the tip of my tongue.
I am pretty sure other people will say it for me.

[Domain Diva]

Originally Posted by Roald

I seriously doubt all the above, under a 2k show in total for a US webmaster huh! Would this mean we Europeans get paid to come over?

lets just say its heavy in sponsorship and will not be expensive for european or usa webmasters.

You dont think it cost approx 5 k in total per show for 2 to attend a usa gig? inc flight,hotel,food and expense ?

Maybe I spend to much but thats my costs I have no idea how much it cost the average webmaster to attend the new york show for example?

Of course if you live local thats different

I find shows very expensive to attend

[Roald]

Originally Posted by Pornopat

I am so not gonna say anything in this thread.
EVen though its on the tip of my tongue.
I am pretty sure other people will say it for me.

Spill it Chapelle ;)))

[BEN FROM HOLLAND]

Originally Posted by Promo Claire

Recently I got approached by a very big european adult company asking if I would get involved in a major new euro show in 09 and that they intended to do the show in Prague.

Based on this I would welcome any feedback that the webmasters of gfy could offer so that I can advise them better

Firstly is the location Prague the best or maybe Spain or London ?

Second question is they considered a date of 26-30th June is that a good date if not why and what date would be best

Yes everyone knows that enough shows exsist but this is going to be a gig that really is made totally for adult webmasters both on a financial,business and personal level

The chances of this taking place are very high so any comments would be greatly appricated and could affect the outcome of such show

Thanks

Claire

Who are the organizers Claire????

[darksoul]

Originally Posted by Sly

That's because she said they want Americans. If they don't care all that much about Americans, then go for it. The Europeans I'm sure will have a good time and the few Americans that choose to go.

Well thing is, even if they want Americans I don't see them succeed given that at WA Amsterdam you only see a few of them.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by darksoul

Well thing is, even if they want Americans I don't see them succeed given that at WA Amsterdam you only see a few of them.

Right. And that's what the Americans in this thread are trying to say.

[marketsmart]

i would be surprised if:
1) costa rica bash happens next year
2) avn has the florida show next year
3) other shows dont get cancelled

the test of the state of the industry will be shown by the attendance at xbiz, florida show, and atlanta forum..

too many shows, not enough time or money for most people... :2 cents

[darksoul]

Originally Posted by Sly

Right. And that's what the Americans in this thread are trying to say.

What I've seen is a lot of negativism from people that aren't going to attend anyway.

[Domain Diva]

guys dont hate on me im only asking for the good of webmasters if I didnt care i would not have started the thread

I think its good when a idea is in the making and webmasters get a chance to put in thier comments to a major corp

[Roald]

Originally Posted by Promo Claire

lets just say its heavy in sponsorship and will not be expensive for european or usa webmasters.

You dont think it cost approx 5 k in total per show for 2 to attend a usa gig? inc flight,hotel,food and expense ?

Maybe I spend to much but thats my costs I have no idea how much it cost the average webmaster to attend the new york show for example?

Of course if you live local thats different

I find shows very expensive to attend

Thats exactly my point. Even with all the sponsors they can get they won;t be able to make it a less than 2k all in for us people. Look at the Phoenix show for example, so many sponsors and still you will be set back a good $4k as a european. And I am not even talking about flying business class.

Unless its a 10 man show, or they want to be set back a few 100k the less than 2k is hardly doable

[KMR Stitch]

you didnt ask for debate. you asked for feedback. you made it a debate. god you really are a freshman in the seniors lunchroom. i give up.

[KMR Stitch]

Originally Posted by Promo Claire

lets just say its heavy in sponsorship and will not be expensive for european or usa webmasters.

ok, so we won't see you back here begging for sponsors in 5 months?

[Domain Diva]

Originally Posted by marketsmart

i would be surprised if:
1) costa rica bash happens next year
2) avn has the florida show next year
3) other shows dont get cancelled

the test of the state of the industry will be shown by the attendance at xbiz, florida show, and atlanta forum..

too many shows, not enough time or money for most people... :2 cents

I agree 100 percent

I was simply told to find out if anyone wanted a well run premier show in europe that a lot of the costs would be covered with heavy sponsorship

[Domain Diva]

Originally Posted by KMR Stitch

ok, so we won't see you back here begging for sponsors in 5 months?

That is correct KMR Stitch

[Brad]

Originally Posted by Promo Claire

I agree 100 percent

I was simply told to find out if anyone wanted a well run premier show in europe that a lot of the costs would be covered with heavy sponsorship

Well if that is all you are asking then obviously the answer is yes.

How will you decide who is going to attend? I can all but guarantee you won't get enough sponsorship money to subsidize an unlimited amount of people attending.

[KMR Stitch]

so define


"a lot of the costs covered"


as roald has pointed out to you, you cannot cover airfare and free hotel rooms for everyone. what else is there, thats damn near 4k per person from most spots in the u.s.

free badges? couple free luncheons?

they absolutely cannot cover airfare and hotel for people. no way.

[Mickey_]

There are too many shows as it is. They'll have a hard time attracting US attendees unless the company/organizers already have a large following. Ask around about the current and previous state of EU shows.

[DateDoc]

if it is 2k with everything included i will go. Might not attend the show but it will be a cool vacation.

[marketsmart]

Originally Posted by Promo Claire

I was simply told to find out if anyone wanted a well run premier show in europe that a lot of the costs would be covered with heavy sponsorship

well, then you need to find out what the goals of the sponsor are.. do they want a heavily attended show or a smaller group of people that actually do a lot of business.

if it were me, i would rather take a budget of say $500,000 (which is what would be needed to do what you are saying this sponsor will do to subsidize) and have a red carpet event for webmasters and companies that can actually produce a larger ROI over the long run..

what's the point of having a ton of free loading webmasters at a show that can send less than 100 joins a month...

[Domain Diva]

Originally Posted by Adult Lounge - Brad

Well if that is all you are asking then obviously the answer is yes.

How will you decide who is going to attend? I can all but guarantee you won't get enough sponsorship money to subsidize an unlimited amount of people attending.

Sponsorship is already in place Brad and the show has a limited capacity of 250 -300 and that number suits them