Angelina77

I'm having a argument with Axelo9 on here that steroids do make your dick small!
He says that your dick looks small because you look bigger, I beg to differ!

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polosas

yes its true, sad to say that but its real true !

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Libertine

Not true. The hormonal problems steroids cause do make your testicles shrink, but your penis stays the same size - though the hormonal imbalance caused by steroids can cause erectile dysfunction, and a limp dick tends to be smaller than a hard one.

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geedub

so possibly it can make your dick look bigger, if your balls become smaller? optical illusions are tight

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Pleasurepays

its not true. people are dumb

Pleasurepays

its a very sad irony that certain substances which have more health benefits than anything medical science has come up with yet, are looked at as being taboo.

severe

working out isnt really a medical condition, steroids are used to treat tons of real medical conditions.

Robbie

Hah-hah! I've been using testosterone for the last 10 years. My dick is the exact same size as it's always been...and it's hard more often as well. Yes, some anabolics can cause erectile dysfunction. But only a couple of them. And since testosterone is the natural male hormone anyway, using it just makes you more "man" than you would have been as you age. Why do you think that average males have their sexual peak at 18?
It's because that's when their body is producing the most testosterone naturally.
If you start reading about hormone replacement therapy you will be SHOCKED at what happens to men.
Our bodies production of testosterone starts to decline quickly. By the time you're 32 years old you have about HALF of what you had at 18.
That starts leading to penis problems, a "beer belly", getting soft everywhere as a result of muscle loss and fat gain.
Supposedly a man in his 60's would have LESS testosterone than an 18 year old WOMAN!
Now that's fucked up.
But you replace that testosterone and BOOM! You are back in the game baby. I'm 46 and feel great. Keeps the mind sharp, the body toned, sexual performance peaked, and also keeps my general mood very postive.
That's why doctors precscribe it to millions of men.
So do steroids make your dick small? Hell no! It can make your balls shrink at high levels (like the abusive levels that are used in pro bodybuilding) But for a guy like me? No. I'm muscular with a hard dick. I highly recommend it for men in their mid 30's and up.
Younger guys, don't do it. Using testosterone will shut down your bodies natural production. But for us guys who are older...it's the only way to roll, unless you want to get implants and turn into a tranny. LOL

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CaptainHowdy

Balls get small...

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tranza

this is crazy men!

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BlackCrayon

Unless you have medical condition no doctor will perscribe testosterone...

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Pleasurepays

wrong.

as an adult over 30, you already do have a medical condition... its called testosterone deficiency.

there is no shortage of doctors who prescribe test and HGH.

Robbie

Bullshit. The only "medical condition" is the one that all men already have as they age. You simply go to the doctor and they draw blood and test you for free testosterone in your blood. Almost 100% of all men at age 40 will be far below the levels that are considered "normal" You are very misinformed about this subject. As are most people.
I hope everybody realizes that up until a few years ago you didn't even need a prescription. But then the govt. decided to make the shit a "controlled substance"
Which means that you can walk around with naturally produced testosterone flowing all through your body...it's healthy. But if you buy some testosterone to put in your body, then you are committing the same crime as if you had heroin!
Fucking ridiculous.
The United States is one of the very few countries that has done this. You can go to Mexico, for instance and buy testosterone over the counter just like you buy aspirin.
I hate our fucking government.

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BlackCrayon

HGH turns you into sloping forehead man. There is a reason why you testosterone levels decrease. I find it hard to believe that there are absoultely no side effects to taking testosterone while women taking hormone replacement after menopause have many side effects.

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BlackCrayon

I'd rather wait until i have problems than become dependent upon injections for the rest of my life.

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Blazed

Thats like saying does cancer make your dick bigger, because your hair falls out and pubeless cocks always look bigger.

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Screaming

its bad news all the way around, especially when you can work out and look fine with out them

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jalami

There's a ton of truth in what you're saying here. While the dangers (erectile dysfunction, liver problems) of using testosterone are very well known, the positive uses at therapeutic doses not only exist, but are prescribed for a condition called "andropause" (the male version of menopause that occurs due to the lack of testosterone production). The most common treatment for that condition here in Costa Rica is Proviron in tablet form.

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The dosages Robbie's talking about and the ones pro body builders use that will cause your nuts to shrink are two very different things.
A pro bodybuilders juicing schedule(from bodybuilding.com):Instead of me going over all 12 weeks of my cycle (which I would never do unless I was getting paid at least $1000.00) I'll just cover my last 4 weeks into the show. It's really quite simple. Three 10 mg. Haloteston daily, 100 mg. of Winstrol V daily (6 days a week), 100 mg. of Trenbolone daily (6 days a week), two 50 mg. Primobolan Tabs daily, two 25 mg. Proviron Tabs daily, ten Anavar daily, one 2.5 mg. Femara daily, ten Clenbuterol daily and 50 mcg. Cytomel daily. The Growth Hormone is taken three times during the day in the morning, afternoon and at bedtime. The total amount used is 7.5 iu's

Now Test replacement is maybe 150mg every two weeks possibly less depending on blood work.
The pro one will shrink your nuts lol

Holly

Based on the one I know, not true at all. Depending on what someone is taking and where he's at in a cycle, sometimes there are issues with it staying hard, or (even worse) it being hard ALL the damn time.

Definitely didn't shrink it, though.

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Holly

Oh yeah, they will. Tons of them. You'd be surprised at the shit they'll write scripts for.

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Jet Redux

Your body is a negative feedback system. Boost any hormone artificially and your body will naturally cut back its production. Thus the atrophy of the testes by chronic testosterone users. Your nuts will shrink and when you go off it you'll feel terrible and you may even start developing breasts, a phenomenon known among bodybuilders as "bitch's teats". If prolonged use is involved you may permanently shut down your balls and turn yourself into a eunnuch...

Jet Redux

Also, enjoy your hair loss.

420

This is me after one steroid.

Michaelious

I think if everything in ur bod looks bigger then your dick will look smaller

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Pleasurepays

you have no clue what you are talking about. i've used hgh for years. stop talking out of your ass. "i find it hard to believe that..." Really? maybe thats because you have no idea what you are talking about?

Jim_Gunn

Steroids is such a loaded term but Robbie is exactly right about exogenous testosterone. The supra-physiological levels of testosterone that bodybuilders take to get huge are indeed dangerous if taken for too long and have serious side effects.

But testosterone in the injectable or gel form mostly prescribed by doctors specializing in male health and anti-aging medicine is perfectly legal in the U.S. And it has powerful health benefits for males over 35 or so, basically bringing their testosterone levels back to what a eighteen year old male has which affects energy, muscle tone, mood and libido among other things. I know from personal experience, I am in the best shape of my life at thirty-nine because of a combination of a healthy diet, weight-lifting & exercise and learning about these advances in medical science. In the not so distant future this is going to be a standard part of any male's health regimen who cares about taking care of themselves as they get older. HGH is another hormone that has benefits for both men and women over a certain age, but there are more potential risks associated long term HGH use. Definitely worth trying if you are really getting long in the tooth however in my opinion unless you are prepared to really let your self fall apart after age fifty or so.

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tical

Funny how people don't realize the BENEFITS of testosterone therapy & just think its steroids because they need to use a needle. Aging men are more likely to be at risk for diabetes, heart disease, etc if / when they're testosterone gets low.

Besides you don't have to use a needle, some just prefer it. There are gels, creams & orals that can do the same thing. It's all about preference.

Good question do our hormones decline because of age... or do we age because of hormone decline?

Not to mention the cognitive thinking and quality of life benefits this therapy helps. Add HGH to the mix for those that need it... healthier skin, better sleep, more muscle mass, less fat, etc.

Here's a good NEW article on TRT

http://men.webmd.com/news/20080618/h...-men-pros-cons

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BlackCrayon

Funny how its mostly only those who use it who have anything positive to say about it. And if it can cause erectile disfunction, whats the point?

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tical

experience is definitely something funny.

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d-null

strange statement, so you think you should listen to those that have never done something for your advice, as opposed to those that have direct experience?? weird

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BlackCrayon

Those who use it and continue to use it will most likely not be promoting the negative effects as in their mind they've justified that its more positve than negative, despite what the actual facts might be.

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CheneyRumsfeld

figure it out for yourself

Robbie

And what do you think are the "actual" facts? Look it up brother and don't believe everything that our repressive govt. tries to tell you. In case you haven't noticed, the govt. is one of the most inefficient and just plain stupid group of folks in the world. Try looking up HRT or hormone replacement therapy and educate yourself.
You know...I like to go out on the weekend and have a few beers. But if I were painted with the same brush as the worst alcoholic in the world then you would think that everybody that drank alcohol was a monster. Use your brain and think for yourself. Don't listen to govt. pundits in the media with their own agendas.

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Pleasurepays

again... you know nothing about what you are talking about. i have never heard of HGH causing erectile dysfunction. if you were to look up erectile dysfunction in a medical book, you would probably see a wide range of "causes" from anxiety to stress to genetic defects. there is no direct cause and effect relationship between HGH and erectile dysfunction.

funny how those with opinions about steroids are not the ones who have any direct or indirect experience or know even the slightest bit about anatomy and physiology or bio chemistry.

Odin

Steroids won't cause a smaller dick. They do cause some temporary problems (ED, and such), but if they are really used responsibly no major issues should be confronted. They are completely legal in a large portion of the world, and legal until relatively recently in the US. In my opinion they should be a controlled substance, that is legal to take for performance enhancement reasons when prescribed. Hell if a girl can get a tit job why can't a guy pump some juice?

BlackCrayon

I wasn't just talking about hgh but test too. I'm the first to admit I don't know that much about it. If you are using it yourself you are no doubt going to have some kind of bias. I think for the most part, people who use this stuff are trying to avoid the realty that your body changes as you age.

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BlackCrayon

I will look more into it and hope I can find some non biased research. Though I am not too concerned about muscle mass or any of that stuff, the only thing I am concerned about is not being able to get it up as I get older. Its not a problem yet but I've recently turned 30 and wonder how long until problems might occur.

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Robbie

No, only certain ones cause any ED...Like Decca Durabolin. But since most of the pro bodybuilders are using stacks of many different anabolics that counteract that, they don't have that problem either. Matter of fact you would have to be an idiot to only take something like Decca and NOT stack it with some test and HGH.

And of course...use of testosterone itself causes your dick to get HARD! One of the many great benefits of testosterone...as well as sharper mental skills, better mood and outlook on life, increased muscle mass and most importantly decreased fat. That's why doctors prescribe it to millions of men.

It's like anything you take. If you abuse it then yes you can hurt yourself in the long run. But if you use it in moderation you will have a better quality of life as a man.
Hell, I could sit here and swallow 1000 aspirin and have an overdose and die. But that doesn't mean that aspirin is "bad".

I think the govt. has brainwashed people to the point that it's just ridiculous.
Every guy in his 20's has grown up thinking that if they ever have unprotected sex they will die. If they smoke a joint they will be addicted. And if they take steroids they will have sloped foreheads and then die with small dicks.

Sometimes all the above do happen to people. But the chances of any of it happening are far less than getting struck by lightning. Yes, you MIGHT get unlucky and fuck a girl with HIV. Of course your chances of dying in a car accident are a million times greater. And yes you MIGHT smoke a joint and find you are addicted...but only if you already have an addictive personality. And yes you might take steroids and eventually die with a small dick. But only if you take enough to kill an elephant and you already had a small dick.

Just remember this: There are a lot of fat guys out there with tiny cocks. And "normal" guys with tiny cocks. And skinny guys with tiny cocks. So finding pics of guys on juice with small cocks is not representative of anything. They already had a small dick to begin with.

There are several guys in this industry who shoot for big companies who are juiced like bodybuilders and have huge cocks that are always hard in every scene they do.

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Odin

But how do you think they stack it? They don't run test throughout the whole cycle. I've done roids, and didn't have any major problems, but it did cause temporary ED (well not completely, but close). I don't think there is anything majorly wrong with it all, every drug has side-effects and used responsibly they aren't permanent as long as you run a proper PCT and don't abuse the substance. Anyway I am not a professor on the issue, but I think it's silly to deny all side-effects. When you are using it to gain mass, you are usually putting an unnatural level of test into your body, which causes your natural mechanisms to shut down temporarily no? If done so responsibly it still isn't a major issue at all, and that is why I personally think it should be prescribed by a doctor - even for performance enhancing reasons.

Pleasurepays

really? i have a bias? you have done nothing but comment on something you know absolutely nothing about and you think my comments are invalid because some some sort of bias from years of learning and first hand experience?

you know nothing about all the classes of drugs that fall under the broadly defined word "steroid" - how different drugs act in your body and what potential side effects might occur from any of them. testosterone is not anadrol. testosterone, albeit quite a powerful hormone has no negative health effects unless you are using a retarded amount and are genetically prone to certain things like gynocomastia.. in which case, you have plenty of advance symptoms and can quit with no long term, negative effects.

most steroids, when properly used do nothing but wonders for your body.

its a shame that these drugs have been demonized to the point that its quite ok to give a kid ridilin, but incomprehensible to boost your own testosterone levels, improve muscle strength, muscle mass, improve your mental acuity, bone density and correct 100 other age related things that are happening to your body simply because of a lack of adequate hormones.

of course your body changes as you age. the point is not about avoiding anything. for most people outside of competitive bodybuilding (who are not retarded), its about living a perfectly healthy life up until the age of 90-100 and then dropping dead. saying one shouldn't try avoid 10 years in a nursing home or any one of 1000's of diseases connected to aging and poor health is retarded.

hate to break it to you but chemistry is chemistry. you can modify your body chemistry by eating a bag of oranges,.. you can modify your body chemistry by eating 2000 mg of Vitamin C a day. we do countless things to modify our body chemistry that isn't taboo, but is absolutely no different (discounting those who abuse drugs) ... You can supplement declining androgenic hormone production by injecting testosterone into your ass or by supplementing with HGH or quite a few other drugs and see almost instant health benefits.

the most humorous thing about people ranting and raving and babbling about the health risks of steroids is that they can't even possibly begin to fathom how common they are and how widely they are used... and are not willing to, or can't make the distinction between safe use and abuse.

Robbie

As long as they are in the phase of putting on mass they sure do. Matter of fact most use propianate testosterone even when they are "cutting" pre-contest. And no, there is no way in hell that you can use testosterone and not have a hard on. LOL! And of course if you "go off" of testosterone you are going to have a crash, since your body isn't making any. But it doesn't really matter to someone my age. My body wouldn't make enough test on it's own at 46 to do me any good anyway. So a once a week 1 cc injection of 250 mg of testosterone keeps me muscular, alert, horny, and just overall feeling like a million bucks. I have no reason to ever stop taking it. If I did I would end up looking like every middle-aged pot bellied, soft guy in the world. I don't want that. I want to have a QUALITY of life and not just be alive, but be ALIVE! If you know what I mean.
I'm not a professional bodybuilder of course, but I do have some knowledge of bodybuilding and of stacks (I danced in and ran a male strip show from 1996 to 2002 and we were all pretty juiced), and I can definitely tell you that for the majority of men using steroids...a testosterone is a key component of the stack
Of course everyone has a slightly different physiology.
For instance, I'm a "hard gainer" I'm 6' tall and I only weighed 140 pounds until 1994 when I started doing weight training at the gym.
I can eat and eat and eat and work out with heavy weights and do everything under the sun...but I still only weigh 210 pounds now. I spent the last decade trying to bulk up to 225 of solid muscle but just can't do it.
But that's just me. Other people's physiology could be the direct opposite...they may have to diet and diet and diet and still stay big.
Shit affects everyone differently to a degree.
But the majority of men bulking up use cypionate or ethanate or a combo (sustanon) type of testosterone. And then when they are ready to "dry out" and rip off ALL the body fat they switch over to a "lean cycle" which will always include propianate testosterone because it doesn't retain water like the other tests do.
But again, that's body building.
For "normal" guys...250 mg of cyp or enth a week is enough to make you look great with your shirt off (as long as you hit the gym HARD) and keep your dick standing at attention anytime it's called upon to do so.

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BlackCrayon

Have you really ever heard of someone taking hgh or test from age 40-90? I very much doubt it. Anyways, you make some good arguments but until i see people who aren't musclehead workout freaks taking it for its health benefits, I don't think I'll be using it.

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Pleasurepays

again... TONS of fucking people use both HGH and Test for anti-aging purposes. there are endless clinics in the US that prescribe both for this exact reason and most urologists do. its not like this is secret knowledge... this is all basically common sense stuff and you think you are being clever.

do you expect to see people walking around with an "I use HGH" stamp on their forehead? using HGH as a supplement costs 800-1600.00 per month (or can be less depending on brands, and more companies are manufacturing it these days). maybe you aren't aware of it because of the circles you travel in.

Robbie

Exactly! Nobody takes pictures of regular people who are on it. But you better believe that they are all around you. That 70 year old guy that you've seen around town with all the energy? That's one. The 55 year old guy at the gym with a better body than you? That's another one. The 60 year old guy at the titty bar who is fit and with a nice tan and takes the whores to the back in the vip? That's another one. It's all about quality of life. Hell, you can even get crazy with it and not hurt yourself. Look at Stallone. He uses massive amounts and has been doing so for 40 years. He looks great and he's in his 60's.
Think about it like this: Millions of people smoke cigarettes. It's killing them. No benefit at all. Just pure poison. Yet people go and buy them over the counter everyday and "inject" nicotine into their systems.
But let a guy inject a naturally produced hormone and all of a sudden everybody is screaming bloody murder.
It's not our fault that through modern science that we live a lot longer. It made sense for our testosterone levels to start dropping at 18....most people were dying in their late 20's and early 30's for most of mankinds existence.
But now that we are living a lot longer, it only makes good sense to enhance what evolution can't keep up with. But that's a choice everyone has to make for themselves.
Me? I want to live a full life. I like to travel, I like to party, I like to fuck, and I like to feel good. When a guy gets to a certain age and starts to feel and look like shit, then maybe a different attitude towards it will occur. If a guy is still in his 20's and 30's he probably doesn't feel or see the effects of loss of testosterone yet.
But you will. And when you do, you will gladly take an injection of test once a week to enjoy life to it's fullest. Why on earth wouldn't a person do that?

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Pleasurepays

that was kinda funny.... he got busted with 5 Jintropin kits and he was only supposed to be in Australia for like 2 weeks or less.

BlackCrayon

Very possible. I hang out with regular people who typically aren't obsessed with their looks. By your logic everyone over a certain age should be using it but personally, I have never heard of anyone using it who wasn't sick with something. Have fun being dependent upon it for the rest of your life.

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