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RayVega · 06-22-2008, 10:12 AM

I know this is a long post, but worth the time to think about it.

We depend on gas so much as a country and a world for that matter that society could literally collapse. Economic experts are predicting that at the current rate of inflation of gas prices takes us right up to $6-$8 gal range in the next 5 to 10 years.

**the following prediction is based on scientific and historical fact **

With the level of inflation we are on the path of, over the next five years it will cost more to ship food than companies can charge for it because most Americans can not handle the kind of inflation it will bring on. Bread and other grain product will virtually disappear because turning it into fuel will be more profitable and with that goes the price of feed for livestock driving the price of meat through the roof and unaffordable to most.

Once the threshold is met and the swelling mid-lower class cannot afford food, you will have rationing. Shortly thereafter, you will have civil unrest. Rioting will turn into total lawlessness and the police and emergency services will lose control and desert their posts. People will start to organize into gangs and small militias in order to take what they need to survive and to protect themselves.

The government, which is entirely dependent on gas for the war machine as well as police and emergency services domestically, will have to move to martial law, and we will be governed by the military (pulling valuable resources from our international defense). When people are panicking and starving they no longer care about a democratic process, they just want food and water...Our democratic republic will most likely begin to collapse with a total struggle for power going on between many individual representatives state by state causing the system to become inoperable. Eventually (just like ancient Rome) a leader will emerge and we will fall into a dictatorship.

The only next logical step is that since other countries are falling apart as well...someone is going to attack someone and world war III will commence as a war for oil. The end of civilization as we know it is here.

It is my opinion that the US/European allies cannot come out completely victorious and could end up in a stalemate with the east due to the vast manpower of China and India dividing occupation of the planet 50-50 with them, much like the Roman empire was split into east and west when Constantine ruled. We can now follow either the path of Eastern or Western Rome. Either we fall into a feudal system of powerful land owners protecting surfs in exchange for working the land...or a religious leader emerges and people stay in line and work for the better of the state based on religious beliefs (the only way to really keep the masses in line).

Sounds a lot like the bibles prediction, no? And the scary thing is that it is already happening. Is it even remotely possible that we band together and conserve long enough to refit our entire society to operate on a different fuel source? Well we better get fucking started! You decide.

06-22-2008, 10:28 AM

Did someone forget to take his meds this morning?

RayVega · 06-22-2008, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Vexes

Did someone forget to take his meds this morning?

How do you know that? Are you watching me? I knew it! people are watching me...it's the end of the world!

BlackCrayon · 06-22-2008, 10:43 AM

It would be a lot easier for someone to invent something and have the government really sponsor it and totally change our dependence on oil rather than let the economy collapse. The technology is out there.

WarChild · 06-22-2008, 10:45 AM

Yeah maybe stick to porn.

06-22-2008, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by RayVega

How do you know that? Are you watching me? I knew it! people are watching me...it's the end of the world!

The trained mouse in your house tipped me off.

What are your solutions to the above scenario? ( Besides more meds)

CDSmith · 06-22-2008, 10:50 AM

All I will say is it's never a bad time to stash some canned goods in the basement, and a gun and a rifle, plenty of ammo, some survival gear, camping gear, a decent set of non-power tools, and did I mention a gun?

Stitch in time and all that.

RayVega · 06-22-2008, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Vexes

The trained mouse in your house tipped me off.

What are your solutions to the above scenario? ( Besides more meds)

I hate to say it but the only solution I see at this point is to buy more guns. I don't think we can stop it now.

RayVega · 06-22-2008, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

All I will say is it's never a bad time to stash some canned goods in the basement, and a gun and a rifle, plenty of ammo, some survival gear, camping gear, a decent set of non-power tools, and did I mention a gun?

Stitch in time and all that.

Couldn't have said it better myself!

pr0 · 06-22-2008, 10:56 AM

$5-8 gas is not capable of causing such a collapse. You're looking at $20 a gallon before people are losing money/or breaking even just getting to/from work.

I think you gravely underestimate American ingenuity as well.

Simply being forced to carpool with neighbors would drop our demand for oil. Followed by each home being powered by at least 25% solar power....that's just a few panels per home

But.....if history continues as predicted/unchanged & keeps on repeating itself forever in a loop of idiocy......Then you might very well be right.

However....there will never be a true WWIII.....nuclear proliferation put an end to "winnable wars"

All i know is....I'm extremely happy I bought an AK & a AR-15 if societal/govt rules do in fact collapse

bushwacker · 06-22-2008, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RayVega

I know this is a long post, but worth the time to think about it.

We depend on gas so much as a country and a world for that matter that society could literally collapse. Economic experts are predicting that at the current rate of inflation of gas prices takes us right up to $6-$8 gal range in the next 5 to 10 years.

**the following prediction is based on scientific and historical fact **

With the level of inflation we are on the path of, over the next five years it will cost more to ship food than companies can charge for it because most Americans can not handle the kind of inflation it will bring on. Bread and other grain product will virtually disappear because turning it into fuel will be more profitable and with that goes the price of feed for livestock driving the price of meat through the roof and unaffordable to most.

Once the threshold is met and the swelling mid-lower class cannot afford food, you will have rationing. Shortly thereafter, you will have civil unrest. Rioting will turn into total lawlessness and the police and emergency services will lose control and desert their posts. People will start to organize into gangs and small militias in order to take what they need to survive and to protect themselves.

The government, which is entirely dependent on gas for the war machine as well as police and emergency services domestically, will have to move to martial law, and we will be governed by the military (pulling valuable resources from our international defense). When people are panicking and starving they no longer care about a democratic process, they just want food and water...Our democratic republic will most likely begin to collapse with a total struggle for power going on between many individual representatives state by state causing the system to become inoperable. Eventually (just like ancient Rome) a leader will emerge and we will fall into a dictatorship.

The only next logical step is that since other countries are falling apart as well...someone is going to attack someone and world war III will commence as a war for oil. The end of civilization as we know it is here.

It is my opinion that the US/European allies cannot come out completely victorious and could end up in a stalemate with the east due to the vast manpower of China and India dividing occupation of the planet 50-50 with them, much like the Roman empire was split into east and west when Constantine ruled. We can now follow either the path of Eastern or Western Rome. Either we fall into a feudal system of powerful land owners protecting surfs in exchange for working the land...or a religious leader emerges and people stay in line and work for the better of the state based on religious beliefs (the only way to really keep the masses in line).

Sounds a lot like the bibles prediction, no? And the scary thing is that it is already happening. Is it even remotely possible that we band together and conserve long enough to refit our entire society to operate on a different fuel source? Well we better get fucking started! You decide.

You think $6 - $8 a gallon for gas is going to cause all of the above?

mrthumbs · 06-22-2008, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

All I will say is it's never a bad time to stash some canned goods in the basement, and a gun and a rifle, plenty of ammo, some survival gear, camping gear, a decent set of non-power tools, and did I mention a gun?

Stitch in time and all that.

add a german shepard to that list

StuartD · 06-22-2008, 11:10 AM

all so that the rich oil/war mongers can get a little richer.

spacedog · 06-22-2008, 11:12 AM

Predictions are way off.. we're headed for $6+ per gallon by labor day and that's not even diesel which is currently at $5 per gallon where I am

The possibility of another war is also looming as it seems Israel may provoke Iran whom will then retaliate against the US

Vick! · 06-22-2008, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by RayVega

Economic experts are predicting that at the current rate of inflation of gas prices takes us right up to $6-$8 gal range in the next 5 to 10 years.

you kidding me, right? Prepare yourself for $8 gas by the end of 2009, in 1 and a half year, not in 5-10 years.

Not to mention in Europe people are already paying more than $8.

IllTestYourGirls · 06-22-2008, 11:16 AM

8 dollar a gallon could be here by the end of the year. The dollar is crashing and we are moving to the NAU. People in Texas and boarder states would take up arms before then.

Vick! · 06-22-2008, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by pr0

$5-8 gas is not capable of causing such a collapse. You're looking at $20 a gallon before people are losing money/or breaking even just getting to/from work.

sounds about right to me. And I am seeing $20 a gallon in like 10 years, may be earlier if US or Israel attack Iran.

Vick! · 06-22-2008, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

It would be a lot easier for someone to invent something and have the government really sponsor it and totally change our dependence on oil rather than let the economy collapse. The technology is out there.

How to get independent of oil energy?

CDSmith · 06-22-2008, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by spacedog

Israel may provoke Iran

Or the other way around.

Linkster · 06-22-2008, 11:43 AM

Id say 10 years is a long time to take the gas to hit $20 - based on history - it has tripled in 5 years so assuming the same average increases (which are probably status quo for now) in 5 years it will be in the $14 range per gallon for the US - although I dont personally believe it will take that long. Most of the larger suppliers are known to have been lying about their output capabilities for at least the last 30 years (Saudis, Iranian etc) to boost confidence in their product - and will continue to play the increasing/decreasing output by 2% game like they are this week. Its all supply and demand to them - and the insatiable demand in the US and China are playing right into their hands.

The interesting part of the original post that I almost missed, but is probably the root issue involved, is the lack of infrastructure to handle food production and supply without the oil - it is a corner that the US has backed itself into - and has no capability to deal with. Im reminded of the quiet building of detention centers around the country (one is a few miles from where I live) to handle civil unrest after a "disaster" that was part of the restructured homeland security mandate after 2001. No conspiracy thinking here but what the heck would we need that much room (design of these places combined can hold tons of people) for?
This also brings up some rethinking based on Henry Kissingers old report written quite some time ago that theorized the exact same problems occuring - and included some recommendations for population "easement" - but I guess the people at the New World Order that commisioned the study probably have some ideas (I think Bush Sr outlined most of them back in 1991 or so)

IllTestYourGirls · 06-22-2008, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

Or the other way around.

exactly Israel is more of a threat to Iran than the other way around. 300 nukes vs a camel with a stick of dynamite strapped to its back.

spacedog · 06-22-2008, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

Or the other way around.

Unlikely.. Israel is the aggressor and is certain to initiate attack.. Plans for air strikes were drawn up back in February in Washington, thereafter Washington sold a fleet of F22 bombers to Israel who recently conducted air/flight excercises.. Sounds like they're preparing to me :2 cents

Several years ago Bush & Cheny vowed not to leave office with the Iran issue unresolved, however recently their position in regards to the issue appear on the face to be "hands tied" so to speak, althought this may be a calculated move to save face.. IMO Israel feels the need to act now as there is uncertainty on political/US support from the new US regime and perhaps they feel compelled to force Bush/Cheney into action while they still have the opportunity to do so.

teg0 · 06-22-2008, 12:39 PM

pocketkangaroo · 06-22-2008, 12:48 PM

I don't see oil hitting those levels in the next couple years. The Fed has more or less stated they aren't lowering rates anymore, and thus the dollar will slowly recover. It is also in the best interest of other countries to prop up the dollar which in turn will keep oil lower.

I don't think we'll ever see the days of $2 a gallon again, but I don't think we're heading for $8 anytime soon. People are already starting to adjust by moving closer to their jobs (homes for sale in the burbs are going up), or taking public transportation (Amtrack just had its biggest month). You'll see more car pooling, riding of bikes, and pushes toward public transportation in the coming years. I also think no matter who wins the Presidency, they'll have to make finding alternative methods of powering vehicles a priority.

I see some rough times ahead, but I don't see complete chaos.

kane · 06-22-2008, 12:52 PM

I think we could handle $6-$8 per gallon. It wouldn't be pretty and it would put a huge financial strain on the government, but we could handle it. $12-15 would kill us. Everything would cost so much that it would be very difficult for the average working person to afford going to work and buying food and things like that. They would do it, but they would cut out any and all unnecessary things. Our economy is based largely on people buying shit they don't need. When they stop doing that we are in trouble.

All of this could lead to dramatic life changes here where people have to carpool and where more efficient and alternative fuel cars become the norm. All that said I think countries like China and India would feel the hit first. If oil tripled in price they would buckle before we do simply because we have more money and a bigger economy than they do so we could, in theory, last a little longer.

All that said I think what would be more likely to happen is countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia and Venezuela, places that have a lot of oil, would get invaded and that would cause all kinds of a chaos. I don't know if it would cause WW3, but there would be someone that was very unhappy. If the US, Russia and most of Europe agreed to invade and control those countries it would piss China and India off to no end and vice versa if it were the other way around.

Either way it happens it could get ugly out there. We need to start focusing right now on better more efficient ways to do things and develop alternative fuels before this happens.

CDSmith · 06-22-2008, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by spacedog

Unlikely.. Israel is the aggressor and is certain to initiate attack.. Plans for air strikes were drawn up back in February in Washington, thereafter Washington sold a fleet of F22 bombers to Israel who recently conducted air/flight excercises.. Sounds like they're preparing to me :2 cents

Several years ago Bush & Cheny vowed not to leave office with the Iran issue unresolved, however recently their position in regards to the issue appear on the face to be "hands tied" so to speak, althought this may be a calculated move to save face.. IMO Israel feels the need to act now as there is uncertainty on political/US support from the new US regime and perhaps they feel compelled to force Bush/Cheney into action while they still have the opportunity to do so.

But... there would be no need for "air strikes" if Iran would quit with the nuclear capability development. Add in their outspoken abject hatred of Israel plus all their sabre rattling over the decades and, well, Israel would have to be stupid not to be prepared to take out Iran's nuclear facilities.

So are you sure it is Israel that is the instigator here?

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 06-22-2008, 01:15 PM

The problem is not in production of oil but speculative buyers entering the market and driving up the prices.

Blame the jews?

Jet Redux · 06-22-2008, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RayVega

blah blah blah

hey dude, how old are you?

just wondering...

cause the last time I pretended to be in the mafia was when i hit 13

StuartD · 06-22-2008, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jet Redux

hey dude, how old are you?

just wondering...

cause the last time I pretended to be in the mafia was when i hit 13

You've since grown up and moved on to stealing Christmas presents from children?

AmateurFlix · 06-22-2008, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

The problem is not in production of oil but speculative buyers entering the market and driving up the prices

I'll edit out the last bit of that & say "bingo"

most economist agree that speculators are driving up the price of oil somewhere between 25-100% of it's "natural" price.

that would translate to what... maybe a "natural" price of ~$2.00 - $3.20 per gallon? (assuming the price of gas scales directly with the price of oil)

just as the housing bubble collapsed, so will oil investments.

xmas13 · 06-22-2008, 01:48 PM

Price is what buyers are willing to pay.

Bidding? Capitalism? Market?

Anyone?

kane · 06-22-2008, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

The problem is not in production of oil but speculative buyers entering the market and driving up the prices.

Blame the jews?

Actually you can blame Bush for the speculative buyers. He was the one the decided to not regulate the way oil was traded and rejected an in work Clinton plan to regulate it. This allowed for people to control huge lots of oil with very little actual capitol. With speculation you only need to put 5% down. So you can control 1 million worth of oil for as little at 50K, this has helped drive the price way up.

AmateurFlix · 06-22-2008, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

Actually you can blame Bush for the speculative buyers. He was the one the decided to not regulate the way oil was traded and rejected an in work Clinton plan to regulate it. This allowed for people to control huge lots of oil with very little actual capitol. With speculation you only need to put 5% down. So you can control 1 million worth of oil for as little at 50K, this has helped drive the price way up.

the flip side of this is that you can blame regulation of competing markets for the influx of speculative buyers into this one

if you can invest in peas potatoes and carrots freely then big bad mr. government interferes with your ability to invest in peas and potatoes, isn't it common sense that the carrot market would then receive more attention from investors?

another classic case of big government regulation gone horribly wrong.

spacedog · 06-22-2008, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

But... there would be no need for "air strikes" if Iran would quit with the nuclear capability development. Add in their outspoken abject hatred of Israel plus all their sabre rattling over the decades and, well, Israel would have to be stupid not to be prepared to take out Iran's nuclear facilities.

So are you sure it is Israel that is the instigator here?

Absolutely.

Israel, nor US or anyone else for that matter has no right whatsoever to dictate terms to another nation on wether or not they can develop nuclear power.

The accusations in regards to weapons grade and nuclear weapons development are only accusations without proof nor evidence.. just like Bush's baseless accusations against Iraq's WMD...

Vick! · 06-22-2008, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by xmas13

Price is what buyers are willing to pay.

that's right, but oil/food etc. are the things which we need for life, and we have to will to pay what their price tag says.

but yeah, willing to pay thing is true in other matters like cars, real estate etc.

GetSCORECash · 06-22-2008, 02:43 PM

Gas isn't food.

If this was food, you could see the above takeing place.

CDSmith · 06-22-2008, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by spacedog

Absolutely.

Israel, nor US or anyone else for that matter has no right whatsoever to dictate terms to another nation on wether or not they can develop nuclear power.

The accusations in regards to weapons grade and nuclear weapons development are only accusations without proof nor evidence.. just like Bush's baseless accusations against Iraq's WMD...

So, you think having a nuclear-capable Iran is a good thing for the world, and for Israel?

Just making sure I have your opinion down correctly.

DWB · 06-22-2008, 02:50 PM

I'm with ya. I'm watching things unravel day by day and when I talk to my friends still in the USA about it, they are blind to it all. Fools.

Gold and Guns baby! Stock up. (don't forget the bullets)

CDSmith · 06-22-2008, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SCORE-Cash

Gas isn't food.

If this was food, you could see the above takeing place.

The price of gas affects the price of food.

DWB · 06-22-2008, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SCORE-Cash

Gas isn't food.

If this was food, you could see the above takeing place.

It is not, but food is on the rise all around the world. And think about this... ASIA IS RUNNING OUT OF RICE!!! Wrap your head around that for a second.

All food is on the rise for several reasons: inflation, fuel for transporting the food, lost crops, and just over hikes for reasons I have not been able to figure out yet. Food is on the rise world wide.

jollyperv · 06-22-2008, 03:28 PM

It all boils down to one thing....too much fucking going on.

spacedog · 06-22-2008, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

So, you think having a nuclear-capable Iran is a good thing for the world, and for Israel?

Just making sure I have your opinion down correctly.

Any country being nuclear capable as far as power is concerned reduces the consumption of oil/gas.

I have doubts that they're producting weapons.. It's just more Bush/Cheney/Israel lies just like Iraq's WMD...

Are you familiar with Haliburton Corp and Peak Oil? These corporations with the cooperation of the government of Uzbekistan have been working on and planning an oil pipeline from Uzbekistan to Kuwait City.. Afghanistan became opposed to the pipeline going through their nation, so we took out those in power.. Iraq was also an issue, so we took them out of power.,..

Iran is next.. once they're out of the way rest assured the US will place those in power whom will be compliant to the demands placed upon them so these plans can continue.

Iran is the last conflict in the way of the pipeline

tony286 · 06-22-2008, 04:15 PM

Actually most cannot handle 6 a gallon gas,people are having a very rough time with $4 gas. Look at most of your stores, coffee shops,businesses people working in these places are just getting by not making the big bucks.

CDSmith · 06-22-2008, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by spacedog

I have doubts that they're producting weapons.. It's just more Bush/Cheney/Israel lies just like Iraq's WMD...

Well, since *you* have no doubts then I guess it's okay, right? I mean, as long as you're okay with it and all.

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Originally Posted by spacedog

Are you familiar with Haliburton Corp and Peak Oil? These corporations with the cooperation of the government of Uzbekistan have been working on and planning an oil pipeline from Uzbekistan to Kuwait City.. Afghanistan became opposed to the pipeline going through their nation, so we took out those in power.. Iraq was also an issue, so we took them out of power.,..

Iran is next.. once they're out of the way rest assured the US will place those in power whom will be compliant to the demands placed upon them so these plans can continue.

Iran is the last conflict in the way of the pipeline

You've got it all figured out. Now if only those damn jews would fall in line the master plan would be a done deal.

Maybe the US should attack them.

Sorry, Iran's plans for nuclear capability isn't something that would be smart to be tolerated or ignored by the rest of the world. Period. And anyone who seriously believes they won't develop nukes is completely deluded.

spacedog · 06-22-2008, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

Well, since *you* have no doubts then I guess it's okay, right? I mean, as long as you're okay with it and all.

You've got it all figured out. Now if only those damn jews would fall in line the master plan would be a done deal.

Maybe the US should attack them.

Sorry, Iran's plans for nuclear capability isn't something that would be smart to be tolerated or ignored by the rest of the world. Period. And anyone who seriously believes they won't develop nukes is completely deluded.

Those in power must be proud of their success in duping so many people.. Seems their propaganda has worked so well that people fail to see the truth.. This pipeline and the history behind it is nothing new.. It's been in the works for over a decade with plenty of documentation..

Perhaps you'll learn alot more about the truth at http://www.globalresearch.ca/

You'd think people wouldn't fall for the same bullshit twice

CDSmith · 06-22-2008, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by spacedog

Those in power must be proud of their success in duping so many people.. Seems their propaganda has worked so well that people fail to see the truth.. This pipeline and the history behind it is nothing new.. It's been in the works for over a decade with plenty of documentation..

Perhaps you'll learn alot more about the truth at http://www.globalresearch.ca/

I don't doubt the pipeline, I simply doubt that your faith in Iran isn't misplaced.

Fact is if Iran had of acted in a friendlier manner to their neighbors and the rest of the world over most of the last 50 years probably no one would have a problem with them going ahead and building a nuclear reactor for "more electrical power". But they haven't, thus the other fact is that if they don't quit what they're doing I have no doubt that Israel, or the USA, is going to give them more grief than they probably want.

Iran's leaders strike me as the types that are overconfident in their military, and too stupid to back down.

What has Iran done in recent times that would show they can be trusted not to develop nukes and then threaten others with them? Nothing.

AmateurFlix · 06-22-2008, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by spacedog

This pipeline and the history behind it is nothing new.. It's been in the works for over a decade with plenty of documentation..

just curious, is there any documentation of Iran's president Ahmanutjob explaining publicly that this pipeline is the reason he is being 'villified'?

tony286 · 06-22-2008, 05:08 PM

Well think about it, you're Iran. You see Iraq invaded they had no no nukes.Then you see North Korea making threats and the US handles them with kid gloves. Why they have nukes,so wouldn't you rush to join that club?

spacedog · 06-22-2008, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

just curious, is there any documentation of Iran's president Ahmanutjob explaining publicly that this pipeline is the reason he is being 'villified'?

Unlikely. I don't even think he knows about it

tony286 · 06-22-2008, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

I don't doubt the pipeline, I simply doubt that your faith in Iran isn't misplaced.

Fact is if Iran had of acted in a friendlier manner to their neighbors and the rest of the world over most of the last 50 years probably no one would have a problem with them going ahead and building a nuclear reactor for "more electrical power". But they haven't, thus the other fact is that if they don't quit what they're doing I have no doubt that Israel, or the USA, is going to give them more grief than they probably want.

Iran's leaders strike me as the types that are overconfident in their military, and too stupid to back down.

What has Iran done in recent times that would show they can be trusted not to develop nukes and then threaten others with them? Nothing.

Actually it hasnt been for 50 yrs.The first successful CIA ovethrow of a government was 1953 in Iran when they installed the Shah. So it might of given them a little attitude problem.
http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/articles/l30iran.htm

06-22-2008, 10:12 AM	#1
RayVega Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: New York ICQ#348007554 Posts: 4,212	Is the world headed for another dark Age? Here's my prediction. I know this is a long post, but worth the time to think about it. We depend on gas so much as a country and a world for that matter that society could literally collapse. Economic experts are predicting that at the current rate of inflation of gas prices takes us right up to $6-$8 gal range in the next 5 to 10 years. the following prediction is based on scientific and historical fact With the level of inflation we are on the path of, over the next five years it will cost more to ship food than companies can charge for it because most Americans can not handle the kind of inflation it will bring on. Bread and other grain product will virtually disappear because turning it into fuel will be more profitable and with that goes the price of feed for livestock driving the price of meat through the roof and unaffordable to most. Once the threshold is met and the swelling mid-lower class cannot afford food, you will have rationing. Shortly thereafter, you will have civil unrest. Rioting will turn into total lawlessness and the police and emergency services will lose control and desert their posts. People will start to organize into gangs and small militias in order to take what they need to survive and to protect themselves. The government, which is entirely dependent on gas for the war machine as well as police and emergency services domestically, will have to move to martial law, and we will be governed by the military (pulling valuable resources from our international defense). When people are panicking and starving they no longer care about a democratic process, they just want food and water...Our democratic republic will most likely begin to collapse with a total struggle for power going on between many individual representatives state by state causing the system to become inoperable. Eventually (just like ancient Rome) a leader will emerge and we will fall into a dictatorship. The only next logical step is that since other countries are falling apart as well...someone is going to attack someone and world war III will commence as a war for oil. The end of civilization as we know it is here. It is my opinion that the US/European allies cannot come out completely victorious and could end up in a stalemate with the east due to the vast manpower of China and India dividing occupation of the planet 50-50 with them, much like the Roman empire was split into east and west when Constantine ruled. We can now follow either the path of Eastern or Western Rome. Either we fall into a feudal system of powerful land owners protecting surfs in exchange for working the land...or a religious leader emerges and people stay in line and work for the better of the state based on religious beliefs (the only way to really keep the masses in line). Sounds a lot like the bibles prediction, no? And the scary thing is that it is already happening. Is it even remotely possible that we band together and conserve long enough to refit our entire society to operate on a different fuel source? Well we better get fucking started! You decide. __________________ Ray "The Don" Vega Managing Director Private Equity Fund [email protected]

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BlackCrayon Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ottawa Posts: 19,634	It would be a lot easier for someone to invent something and have the government really sponsor it and totally change our dependence on oil rather than let the economy collapse. The technology is out there. __________________ you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

06-22-2008, 10:45 AM	#5
WarChild Let slip the dogs of war. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bermuda Posts: 17,263	Yeah maybe stick to porn. __________________ .

06-22-2008, 10:50 AM	#7
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	All I will say is it's never a bad time to stash some canned goods in the basement, and a gun and a rifle, plenty of ammo, some survival gear, camping gear, a decent set of non-power tools, and did I mention a gun? Stitch in time and all that. __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

06-22-2008, 11:10 AM	#13
StuartD Sofa King Band Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Outside the box Posts: 29,903	all so that the rich oil/war mongers can get a little richer. __________________ This is me on facebook This is me on twitter

06-22-2008, 10:28 AM	#2
Vexes Guest Posts: n/a	Did someone forget to take his meds this morning?

06-22-2008, 10:56 AM	#10
pr0 rockin tha trailerpark Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: ~Coastal~ Posts: 23,088	$5-8 gas is not capable of causing such a collapse. You're looking at $20 a gallon before people are losing money/or breaking even just getting to/from work. I think you gravely underestimate American ingenuity as well. Simply being forced to carpool with neighbors would drop our demand for oil. Followed by each home being powered by at least 25% solar power....that's just a few panels per home But.....if history continues as predicted/unchanged & keeps on repeating itself forever in a loop of idiocy......Then you might very well be right. However....there will never be a true WWIII.....nuclear proliferation put an end to "winnable wars" All i know is....I'm extremely happy I bought an AK & a AR-15 if societal/govt rules do in fact collapse

06-22-2008, 11:12 AM	#14
spacedog Yes that IS me. Bitch. Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 14,149	Predictions are way off.. we're headed for $6+ per gallon by labor day and that's not even diesel which is currently at $5 per gallon where I am The possibility of another war is also looming as it seems Israel may provoke Iran whom will then retaliate against the US

06-22-2008, 11:16 AM	#16
IllTestYourGirls Ah My Balls Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Under the gold leaf ICQ 388-454-421 Posts: 14,311	8 dollar a gallon could be here by the end of the year. The dollar is crashing and we are moving to the NAU. People in Texas and boarder states would take up arms before then. __________________

06-22-2008, 11:43 AM	#20
Linkster Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: DeltaHell Posts: 3,216	Id say 10 years is a long time to take the gas to hit $20 - based on history - it has tripled in 5 years so assuming the same average increases (which are probably status quo for now) in 5 years it will be in the $14 range per gallon for the US - although I dont personally believe it will take that long. Most of the larger suppliers are known to have been lying about their output capabilities for at least the last 30 years (Saudis, Iranian etc) to boost confidence in their product - and will continue to play the increasing/decreasing output by 2% game like they are this week. Its all supply and demand to them - and the insatiable demand in the US and China are playing right into their hands. The interesting part of the original post that I almost missed, but is probably the root issue involved, is the lack of infrastructure to handle food production and supply without the oil - it is a corner that the US has backed itself into - and has no capability to deal with. Im reminded of the quiet building of detention centers around the country (one is a few miles from where I live) to handle civil unrest after a "disaster" that was part of the restructured homeland security mandate after 2001. No conspiracy thinking here but what the heck would we need that much room (design of these places combined can hold tons of people) for? This also brings up some rethinking based on Henry Kissingers old report written quite some time ago that theorized the exact same problems occuring - and included some recommendations for population "easement" - but I guess the people at the New World Order that commisioned the study probably have some ideas (I think Bush Sr outlined most of them back in 1991 or so) __________________ Porn Links Crak for your bank account - Get Addicted FREE LIVE CAM SHOWS

06-22-2008, 12:39 PM	#23
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06-22-2008, 12:48 PM	#24
pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	I don't see oil hitting those levels in the next couple years. The Fed has more or less stated they aren't lowering rates anymore, and thus the dollar will slowly recover. It is also in the best interest of other countries to prop up the dollar which in turn will keep oil lower. I don't think we'll ever see the days of $2 a gallon again, but I don't think we're heading for $8 anytime soon. People are already starting to adjust by moving closer to their jobs (homes for sale in the burbs are going up), or taking public transportation (Amtrack just had its biggest month). You'll see more car pooling, riding of bikes, and pushes toward public transportation in the coming years. I also think no matter who wins the Presidency, they'll have to make finding alternative methods of powering vehicles a priority. I see some rough times ahead, but I don't see complete chaos.

06-22-2008, 12:52 PM	#25
kane Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: portland, OR Posts: 20,684	I think we could handle $6-$8 per gallon. It wouldn't be pretty and it would put a huge financial strain on the government, but we could handle it. $12-15 would kill us. Everything would cost so much that it would be very difficult for the average working person to afford going to work and buying food and things like that. They would do it, but they would cut out any and all unnecessary things. Our economy is based largely on people buying shit they don't need. When they stop doing that we are in trouble. All of this could lead to dramatic life changes here where people have to carpool and where more efficient and alternative fuel cars become the norm. All that said I think countries like China and India would feel the hit first. If oil tripled in price they would buckle before we do simply because we have more money and a bigger economy than they do so we could, in theory, last a little longer. All that said I think what would be more likely to happen is countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia and Venezuela, places that have a lot of oil, would get invaded and that would cause all kinds of a chaos. I don't know if it would cause WW3, but there would be someone that was very unhappy. If the US, Russia and most of Europe agreed to invade and control those countries it would piss China and India off to no end and vice versa if it were the other way around. Either way it happens it could get ugly out there. We need to start focusing right now on better more efficient ways to do things and develop alternative fuels before this happens.

06-22-2008, 01:15 PM	#27
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	The problem is not in production of oil but speculative buyers entering the market and driving up the prices. Blame the jews? __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

06-22-2008, 01:48 PM	#31
xmas13 Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: GFY Posts: 5,176	Price is what buyers are willing to pay. Bidding? Capitalism? Market? Anyone? __________________ ICQ 557504926

06-22-2008, 02:43 PM	#36
GetSCORECash Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 5,527	Gas isn't food. If this was food, you could see the above takeing place. __________________ \| skype: getscorecash \| ICQ: 59-271-063 \| New Sites: \| SCORELAND2 \| Roku Channel SCORETV.TV \| 60PLUSMILFS \| \| Big Tit Hooker \| Tits And Tugs \| Big Boobs POV \| Karla James \| \| Naughty Foot Jobs \| Linsey's World \| Busty Arianna Sinn \| Get SCORE Cash \| Last edited by GetSCORECash; 06-22-2008 at 02:45 PM..

06-22-2008, 02:50 PM	#38
DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	I'm with ya. I'm watching things unravel day by day and when I talk to my friends still in the USA about it, they are blind to it all. Fools. Gold and Guns baby! Stock up. (don't forget the bullets)

06-22-2008, 03:28 PM	#41
jollyperv Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NYC Posts: 3,927	It all boils down to one thing....too much fucking going on.

06-22-2008, 04:15 PM	#43
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Actually most cannot handle 6 a gallon gas,people are having a very rough time with $4 gas. Look at most of your stores, coffee shops,businesses people working in these places are just getting by not making the big bucks.

06-22-2008, 05:08 PM	#48
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Well think about it, you're Iran. You see Iraq invaded they had no no nukes.Then you see North Korea making threats and the US handles them with kid gloves. Why they have nukes,so wouldn't you rush to join that club?