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d-null · 06-05-2008, 06:26 PM

in this day and age where nearly every high school kid has seen 2girls1cup and filmed their friends and grandparents reactions to it and posted them on youtube, it seems strange that the courts would take such a regressive move

dev777 · 06-05-2008, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

wasnt his personal lawyer,I forget his name on the board of the fsc?

yep, Jeffrey Douglas.

DixieDash · 06-05-2008, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

some of you people are so naive or far out on looney street it hurts - it's like you just were made aware that you live in a country with obscenity laws and can't believe it.

a middle aged man makes movies where he pees in the mouth of 18 year old girls dressed up to look 12 and forced to call him Mister over and over and you are shocked that this might be judged to be obscene by 12 citizens?

I'm that naive unfortunately. I didn't know an ipod or a non walmart cellphone existed till I moved more into a city. Backwoods bullshit. It just bothers me how people love to censor things and get court happy. Now I know there are obscenity laws rofl

notoldschool · 06-05-2008, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jetjet

in this day and age where nearly every high school kid has seen 2girls1cup and filmed their friends and grandparents reactions to it and posted them on youtube, it seems strange that the courts would take such a regressive move

Those kids are not judges.

notoldschool · 06-05-2008, 06:36 PM

BTW, who knows what hes looking at as far as sentencing?

Some Guy · 06-05-2008, 06:50 PM

I doubt he'll be seeing any real hard time (maybe a couple of months in county, if that), but I guarantee you he'll have some hefty fines to pay. Very hefty. He'll be made an example of, for sure.

Scootermuze · 06-05-2008, 06:52 PM

Hate it if you will, but everything has its limits... even the 1st amendment...
Just because something can be done or said doesn't mean it will follow that the 1st amendment protects one's right to do or say it.

Those that choose to push the envelop do nothing but put others in jeopardy without regard to future consequences, for the sake of the all might dollar.

tony286 · 06-05-2008, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Some Guy

I doubt he'll be seeing any real hard time (maybe a couple of months in county, if that), but I guarantee you he'll have some hefty fines to pay. Very hefty. He'll be made an example of, for sure.

This is federal not state, so no county for him. From what I read in the past, this type of conviction can carry some serious jailtime and then when you get out you will be put on the sexual offender list. Its very suckful.

pocketkangaroo · 06-05-2008, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Scootermuze

Hate it if you will, but everything has its limits... even the 1st amendment...
Just because something can be done or said doesn't mean it will follow that the 1st amendment protects one's right to do or say it.

Those that choose to push the envelop do nothing but put others in jeopardy without regard to future consequences, for the sake of the all might dollar.

Push what though? That's the issue. What is over-the-top for one may not be for another. I'm more offended by hearing preachers on TV bullshit people out of their money than hardcore porn made by consenting adults.

BVF · 06-05-2008, 06:56 PM

somebody give me a link to that video....It's historical now.

After Shock Media · 06-05-2008, 06:58 PM

Were they not after his assets as well for profiting from obscenity?
Hmm wonder does that include say a website and perhaps the affiliate info?

directfiesta · 06-05-2008, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Scootermuze

Hate it if you will, but everything has its limits... even the 1st amendment...
Just because something can be done or said doesn't mean it will follow that the 1st amendment protects one's right to do or say it.

Those that choose to push the envelop do nothing but put others in jeopardy without regard to future consequences, for the sake of the all might dollar.

You wouldn't exist if old timers hadn't "push the enveloppe"....

I started in porn when we had to cut scenes where pubic hair showed.. forget hardons ... and every new film, I would try to get a few frames more left in ... that was pushing the enveloppe ...

People like you shouldn't be in this industry, but selling bibles to the inbreds of the trailer parks.

NickPapageorgio · 06-05-2008, 07:22 PM

Tony404, post on page 2 was tits. Very nicely said sir.

MediaGuy · 06-05-2008, 07:23 PM

Wrong. Ever so wrong...

I didn't read this whole thread, sorry, but there's times where I'm so relieved to be Canadian...

Who the fuck and why on Earth would anyone in our business vote republican in the US?!?

I must be missing out on something here... I know the republicans are pro-business, and we're all about business... but the Christian Fundamentalists who've been running the GOP for 30 years now put the Bible above Bucks...

If Paul is going to jail, or paying huge "fines" for his shit (which, btw, I find completely gross and am not for) it's because of every idiot on GFY and in this business who voted for feeb-brain Bush jr.

Period. Assholes.

tony286 · 06-05-2008, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by NickPapageorgio

Tony404, post on page 2 was tits. Very nicely said sir.

Thank you but I was just quoting Pleasurepays. Its his amazing words.

c-lo · 06-05-2008, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Halcyon

Hate Max. Love Freedom. This sucks.

I agree.

And I'm surprised so many are surprised by the outcome of this case.

Max has had this coming for years. I just wish he had lost on something other than obscenity charges. The fact that he lost a case versus this extremely vague law practically ensures future prosecutions that will probably (eventually) work all the way down to plain vanilla producers.

tony286 · 06-05-2008, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MediaGuy

Wrong. Ever so wrong...

I didn't read this whole thread, sorry, but there's times where I'm so relieved to be Canadian...

Who the fuck and why on Earth would anyone in our business vote republican in the US?!?

I must be missing out on something here... I know the republicans are pro-business, and we're all about business... but the Christian Fundamentalists who've been running the GOP for 30 years now put the Bible above Bucks...

If Paul is going to jail, or paying huge "fines" for his shit (which, btw, I find completely gross and am not for) it's because of every idiot on GFY and in this business who voted for feeb-brain Bush jr.

Period. Assholes.

well said people really dont realize another 8 with john mccain we will be seriously fucked.

Ayla_SquareTurtle · 06-05-2008, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

I was referring to an actual person or persons rather, stepping forward and complaining publicly about working with him. I've never seen anywhere where this has happened. Doesn't mean it hasn't, it means what I said... that I have never seen it.

Mere allegations and/or accusations mean very little to me.

It doesn't mean much to me either, it's just that a friend once brought up the fact that he was surprised no one had complained about Max, and when we looked it up, we did find some allegations. They were made by at least one model I knew of and seemed to be public if I understood it correctly, I just can't find the article for some reason.

Xrated J · 06-05-2008, 07:29 PM

Peter Romero · 06-05-2008, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by davecummings

IMO, The Prosecution/Judge/Jury/Verdict are all a major disgrace and an insult to America, freedom, and the Constitution!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope the case will be appealed.

I don't personally get sexually turn-on by the content involved in the case, but I support Max's Free Speech rights. I feel that the wrong decision was made today by this jury.

I wonder if the jurors were subjectively more concerned about getting home for supper than they were about an objective verdict, especially since just hours before they were reported as being deadlocked on many of the charges---I predict that we?ll later hear about some jurors ?caving in? to the pressure of the others who didn?t want to report for deliberations in the morning.

Damn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

Finally someone is talking some sense here. Good looking out Dave. You should come over for dinner - we moved down your way.

Mack · 06-05-2008, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

This wil be appealed and should go all the way to the supreme court. You can NOT use "community standards" when applied to the WORLD WIDE web. That means some DA in some backwater in Alabama can take Hugh Hefner to court over playboy.com for "obscenity" because in his "community" Playboy is obscene.

While I agree You can NOT use "community standards" when applied to the WORLD WIDE web. This isn't not a WWW issue, this is DVD issue. Furthermore location didn't make a difference.

Name me ONE community in our country where his material will not be found Obscene?? Just ONE. Your not going to find it, No jury ANYWHERE is going to disagree that piss and vomit porn are obscene. 13 people in a room, watching Max Hardcore movies and coming to the conclusion that video of a woman vomiting on the cock that is being violently rammed down her throat is just fine by community standards??? Not gonna happen anywhere in the US.

It's a sad day, the government is too involved in the business of private citizens.

Jman · 06-05-2008, 07:48 PM

He should of hired Steve Sweet's lawyer...

rayadp05 · 06-05-2008, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Honez

Because of this:
".....found guilty of 10 federal counts of distributing obscene materials over the Internet..."

That is going to affect all of us.

How is it going to affect all of us? The issue regarding Max and his guilty verdict relate directly to obscenity charges. Unless you specialize in shooting obscene material then I don't see how it will affect you.

Agent 488 · 06-05-2008, 08:31 PM

vote republican idiots.,

d-null · 06-05-2008, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rayadp05

How is it going to affect all of us? The issue regarding Max and his guilty verdict relate directly to obscenity charges. Unless you specialize in shooting obscene material then I don't see how it will affect you.

could you please define "obscene" for us? is a video of a guy having a dominatrix urinate on his face something that could cause you to be put in jail? should the government even be making such distinctions?

Tom_PM · 06-05-2008, 08:40 PM

I didnt read the entire thread either, but I want to repeat what has been said before: the only people on the entire planet who were FORCED to view and consider the video(s) in question are the JURY. That is part of what is wrong with obscenity trials in the US right now, as well as how to apply "community standards".

People dont get max hardcore movies jammed in their mailboxes by accident. They CHOOSE to order them! Therefore it is patently NOT OBSCENE to them.

theking · 06-05-2008, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

This wil be appealed and should go all the way to the supreme court. You can NOT use "community standards" when applied to the WORLD WIDE web. That means some DA in some backwater in Alabama can take Hugh Hefner to court over playboy.com for "obscenity" because in his "community" Playboy is obscene.

The supreme court has previously ruled that "community standards" is applicable law when it comes to what is obscene and what is not obscene. That is why he was charged and why he was convicted.

rayadp05 · 06-05-2008, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jetjet

could you please define "obscene" for us? is a video of a guy having a dominatrix urinate on his face something that could cause you to be put in jail? should the government even be making such distinctions?

I understand what you are saying but my only point is that for the producers that shoot content as extreme as max's content then this case does have some relation to them and they should reconsider shooting extreme shit unless they want to take chances but for the producers that are shooting adult mainstream content such as girls modeling nude, blowjob scenes, handjob scenes...I don't see how that really has any relation to what is going on here. I don't know why some people are freaking out and thinking that just because max was found guilty of obscenity charges that there is not going to be anymore pornography produced in the future.

If shooting content such as girls modeling nude, handjobs, blowjobs....was considered obscene then there would not be an adult industry here in America and it would have been banned decades ago. In my opinion, pornography will always exist....just as it always has existed. You just need to watch what your shooting and don't play with fire because as we have all seen, if you shoot that type of content then your asking for trouble.

SoloGirlsContent · 06-05-2008, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Read pleasurepays he makes some sense,its the hard truth:

If people in this biz weren?t totally retarded, totally disorganized and actually had some guidelines and standards to work and live by this industry wouldn?t have many real legal problems. How about not pushing? how about setting some clear, defensible boundaries and staying within them? rather than always challenging the world to shut you down?

There is a difference between drawing the line in the sand, one which you know can be defended and staying behind it and the totally incorrect assumption that anything and everything you do is somehow Constitutionally protected and to keep pushing the most influential groups in this country to shut you down by making sure they always have the ammo they need to keep firing at you until they hit something.

Right now many of you US idiots want to make the argument that shitting on, pissing on, vomiting on, pissing in girls mouths until they choke and cry etc isn?t ?obscene? or isn?t obscene in GodsVillage, Indiana? and most of you then go further to suggest that what he is going through is unfair as if no one really knew that you can?t just mail out totally over the top porn with some old wrinkly fuck pissing into a girls mouth until she starts to choke and cry to any state, county and city in the country without a serious risk of being prosecuted.

Really?

The biggest problem with this industry is that it is full of anti-social idiots with a strong resentment for authority. Thats all fine and well when you are rebelling against your alcoholic father who frequently tried to kiss you or watch you take a bath? but it?s not hardly a winning formula for the long term success of a controversial industry whose greatest enemies are infinitely more organized, deep pocketed and focused on the simple goal of stopping you and that usually have the public and federal government behind them to do it.

The ?rights? you many of you seem to think you have in the US are an illusion. People make the laws. People make the laws against people like you. They can because they know you are weak. You are the low hanging fruit of society. They will attack you because they know no one is going to defend you? because you can?t defend yourselves. They will continue to attack you because they can always rely on the fact that you will constantly be throwing whatever offensive thing you do right in their face and daring them to do something about it. And they are fucking you over right now. They are arguing that each one of you is a Max Hardcore,.. no better. A disease in society. Eventually, they will win and you will lose and it will be your fault, because far too many people in this industry are irretrievably damaged, self destructive fuck ups? and because no one will separate you and what you do from the absolute worst of the worst in this biz.

The public doesn?t see (and never will see) ?good? and ?bad? pornographers. They just see ?pornographers? and the public perception of you will never be any better than the publics perception of Max Hardcore and some old guy shitting on an 18 year old runaway while she cries. And its not the publics fault. It?s your fault. You repeatedly make the choice to defend the worst of the worst in a political and social climate where you will eventually lose. You don?t even have the sense to pick and choose battles and choose battles you can win. Instead, you let the worst of the worst in this industry pick a fight on your behalf. Brilliant! Are you fucking kidding me? Eventually you will lose these fights? And once you finally lose? you will lose big because the fight against you will never stop and you don?t have the brains or foresight to organize and defend yourselves, set standards and police yourselves. Instead? you are happy doing lines of cocaine off a strippers ass while complaining about who is President and how unfair life is and will just let the Christian Right do it for you.

How will the government restrict your business because you didn?t have the brains, foresight and organizational skills to put yourself in a defensible position first? Because in the most important fights, you choose to not have a strong defensive plan or even an offense?

This industry is like a really big, cocky, heavy weight fighter with a glass jaw. Eventually, its going to catch one on the chin and it will be lights out for all. It?s not a question of ?if?? only ?when? ?. and why? because most of you stupid assholes prefer to think its your ?right? and will keep doing that until its finally decided to take that ?right? away because you just can?t and won?t see the bigger picture.

AWARD FOR BEST POST ON GFY!!! 2008

Yea fuck Max's nasty shit..fuck him

tony286 · 06-05-2008, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by simonsyinister

AWARD FOR BEST POST ON GFY!!! 2008

Yea fuck Max's nasty shit..fuck him

Pleasurepays writes better than I ever could and says some hard things.That made me sit and think and thats why I quoted him. I think you can still feel bad for Max and not be a fan of his work.

notoldschool · 06-05-2008, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by simonsyinister

Yea fuck Max's nasty shit..fuck him

You may regret them words someday. Not saying will for sure, but you sure might. There will be a trickle down effect.

tony286 · 06-05-2008, 09:43 PM

Wanna know what the saddest thing is the claire thread went 11 pages and this is barely three.

Gerco · 06-05-2008, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Wanna know what the saddest thing is the claire thread went 11 pages and this is barely three.

Bingo...

ChefJeff · 06-05-2008, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Wanna know what the saddest thing is the claire thread went 11 pages and this is barely three.

It's still young...

kmanrox · 06-05-2008, 09:59 PM

just more proof of conservative america and their 'Lynch em!!' mentality...

and yet another reason to live offshore...

directfiesta · 06-05-2008, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Wanna know what the saddest thing is the claire thread went 11 pages and this is barely three.

If Max sucked a banana ... na, not a good idea .

tony286 · 06-05-2008, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ChefJeff

It's still young...

Not really when considering this is a know figure in our industry.This should be the busiest thread on the board. Its not like some guy in PA selling scat videos out of his house. They got a conviction in a place that has a strip club or adult book store on what seems like every other corner. In fact his lawyer said over 6 dozen adult book store, thats a fucking lot.

MediaGuy · 06-05-2008, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

well said people really dont realize another 8 with john mccain we will be seriously fucked.

Ahahahah... another EIGHT will mean the establisment of Mordor as the US state of government....

Four years will McCain is going to destroy you guys... and our hope for the US as a country to emulate...

kane · 06-05-2008, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by rayadp05

I understand what you are saying but my only point is that for the producers that shoot content as extreme as max's content then this case does have some relation to them and they should reconsider shooting extreme shit unless they want to take chances but for the producers that are shooting adult mainstream content such as girls modeling nude, blowjob scenes, handjob scenes...I don't see how that really has any relation to what is going on here. I don't know why some people are freaking out and thinking that just because max was found guilty of obscenity charges that there is not going to be anymore pornography produced in the future.

If shooting content such as girls modeling nude, handjobs, blowjobs....was considered obscene then there would not be an adult industry here in America and it would have been banned decades ago. In my opinion, pornography will always exist....just as it always has existed. You just need to watch what your shooting and don't play with fire because as we have all seen, if you shoot that type of content then your asking for trouble.

To me this is why it is a big deal: It isn't about the content. I can look at this case logically and see how some people could watch one of his movies and think it is obscene. So I'm not shocked that some of his DVDs are found obscene (disappointed yes, but not shocked). What bothers me is that, from what I understand, some of the convictions came only from movie trailers not the full movie (I'm sure that will be something argued in the appeal) and some of the convictions were for, "transporting obscene material over the internet."

What they are saying is that if you have 2 minutes worth of video on your site you can now be prosecuted for obscenity. You didn't mail anything to anyone. You don't have the full movie available, but that apparently doesn't matter. What this could potentially lead to is attorney generals from all over being able to haul anyone they want into their court. If an AG is sitting in Godville, OK and doesn't like porn he can jump online, find a site he doesn't like and file obscenity charges against the person that is running the site. They now have to go there and defend themselves and it is possible, because of this case, that all they had was 4 30 second long clips on their site. This is the disturbing part.

Will there be a witch hunt? I don't think there will. While they have a big voice, the religous zealots only make up about 20% of the country. If suddenly our government start waging war on porn while we can't secure the borders and can't get out of Iraq it would look very bad and I think much of the rest of the country would voice their displeasure. The Bush administration is a joke and they don't care what they do right now so they might try some more things, but in the end we will have a new president in a few months and he will most likely have enough on his plate that we won't be priority number 1 and if it is Obama he may do as Clinton and pretty much ignore us. However if Max's case is left to stand as is, it does open the door up for AG's all over the country to do as they please and that could turn ugly for us fast.

cranki · 06-05-2008, 10:21 PM

I'm glad I live in the land of the free aka. the rest of the world

Obscenity laws are total bullshit, how dare you let a JURY (Idiots too stupid to escape the duty) decide on what's good or not, that's ridiculous...

Snake Doctor · 06-05-2008, 10:26 PM

I see the morally superior pornographers are out in full force on this one. Why am I not surprised?

To me, it's like this. Max pissing in a girl's mouth, displayed on a billboard in the middle of town. That's obscene.
Max pissing in a girl's mouth, recorded on DVD, and shipped in a plain brown wrapper to someone who specifically requested that material and paid money for it, is free expression.

If you can't make that distinction, then you're not intelligent enough to understand the rest of this post, so please put me on ignore right now.

All freedoms come with a price.
Extreme pornography is the inevitable consequence of the free expression clause, the same way Scientology or the Branch Davidians are the inevitable consequence of the free exercise clause, the same way that the National Enquirer is the inevitable consequence of a free press, the same way that the Montana Militia Men are the inevitable consequence of the 2nd amendment.

Max Hardcore hasn't made your life harder anymore than the Jehovah's Witnesses have made life harder for Catholics. (Many communities directed laws against the Witnesses and many court battles ensued, but it didn't make it harder for anyone else to practice their religion)
The National Enquirer's constant publication of erroneous reports doesn't hurt the New York Times.
The Montana Militia Men don't make it harder for you to own a shotgun.

If there is any place where there should be a wholehearted embrace of the 1st amendment it should be here. Free expression can't just apply to things you like or things that don't offend you, it HAS TO apply to things that make you sick to your stomach or else it isn't really freedom.

Those of you who say Max was "asking for it" are delusional. "Asking for it" would be pissing in a girl's mouth in the middle of Times Square. He filmed sex acts (granted, deviant sex acts by almost anyone's standards) between consenting adults, and sold copies of the film to other adults who specifically requested it. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with that.

Televangelists make me sick to my stomach. I want to puke every time they speak in tongues or plant a staff member in a wheelchair so they can "heal them" or say that god's blessing awaits you if you just send money to their ministry.
I would rather watch 10 straight hours of Max taking a shit than 10 minutes of a televangelist.
Just because they offend me doesn't mean they don't have the right to do what they do. (They, by the way, do it in the middle of Times Square) Their offensiveness is even more egregious, because they specifically target their speech at people who don't wish to hear it, rather than limiting it to people who request it. Yet their rights are sacrosanct, and Max apparently has no rights.

Stick that in your irony pipe and smoke it.

Snake Doctor · 06-05-2008, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

What bothers me is that, from what I understand, some of the convictions came only from movie trailers not the full movie (I'm sure that will be something argued in the appeal) and some of the convictions were for, "transporting obscene material over the internet."

Honestly I think that this case is a slam dunk for Max on appeal.

The prosecution failed to show the entire video(s) to the jury. That alone could be game, set, match. The Miller test requires that the material be taken as a whole, the prosecution didn't show the whole work to the jury, game over.

There was also the issue that Max didn't mail the DVD's, another company took the order and mailed the DVD's, yet Max was convicted on 10 counts of something that he plainly didn't do.

There were also several other issues that I read about in the trial coverage that are definitely going to be brought up during the appeal.

Now that the case is out of the hands of jurors who were sick to their stomach from watching the films, and in the hands of jurists who care about the law and proper procedure, I think Max's chances are very good.

seeric · 06-05-2008, 10:41 PM

they gave the guy from jaded video immunity to testify in the case. well, that is what the tampa bay new website said anyhow.

crockett · 06-05-2008, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by xentech

Why is everyone so surprised? The stuff on his site is disgusting in my opinion, and it is most definitely obscene! Why are you surprised that somebody distributing obscene material is getting found guilty on charges of distributing obscene content?

People think just because he call his shit porn that it is. Sorry but the dude is pissing in girls mouths and filming what seems to be forced sex on drugged girls. Big surprise he got hit with obscenity charges.

Where is the artistic value in that?

I'm not against free speech in any means, but really what does this kind of content "add" to our industry? The shit he films is exactly what gives us a bad name and will now likely cause the rest of us problems.

crockett · 06-05-2008, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Read pleasurepays he makes some sense,its the hard truth:

If people in this biz weren?t totally retarded, totally disorganized and actually had some guidelines and standards to work and live by this industry wouldn?t have many real legal problems. How about not pushing? how about setting some clear, defensible boundaries and staying within them? rather than always challenging the world to shut you down?

There is a difference between drawing the line in the sand, one which you know can be defended and staying behind it and the totally incorrect assumption that anything and everything you do is somehow Constitutionally protected and to keep pushing the most influential groups in this country to shut you down by making sure they always have the ammo they need to keep firing at you until they hit something.

Right now many of you US idiots want to make the argument that shitting on, pissing on, vomiting on, pissing in girls mouths until they choke and cry etc isn?t ?obscene? or isn?t obscene in GodsVillage, Indiana? and most of you then go further to suggest that what he is going through is unfair as if no one really knew that you can?t just mail out totally over the top porn with some old wrinkly fuck pissing into a girls mouth until she starts to choke and cry to any state, county and city in the country without a serious risk of being prosecuted.

Really?

The biggest problem with this industry is that it is full of anti-social idiots with a strong resentment for authority. Thats all fine and well when you are rebelling against your alcoholic father who frequently tried to kiss you or watch you take a bath? but it?s not hardly a winning formula for the long term success of a controversial industry whose greatest enemies are infinitely more organized, deep pocketed and focused on the simple goal of stopping you and that usually have the public and federal government behind them to do it.

The ?rights? you many of you seem to think you have in the US are an illusion. People make the laws. People make the laws against people like you. They can because they know you are weak. You are the low hanging fruit of society. They will attack you because they know no one is going to defend you? because you can?t defend yourselves. They will continue to attack you because they can always rely on the fact that you will constantly be throwing whatever offensive thing you do right in their face and daring them to do something about it. And they are fucking you over right now. They are arguing that each one of you is a Max Hardcore,.. no better. A disease in society. Eventually, they will win and you will lose and it will be your fault, because far too many people in this industry are irretrievably damaged, self destructive fuck ups? and because no one will separate you and what you do from the absolute worst of the worst in this biz.

The public doesn?t see (and never will see) ?good? and ?bad? pornographers. They just see ?pornographers? and the public perception of you will never be any better than the publics perception of Max Hardcore and some old guy shitting on an 18 year old runaway while she cries. And its not the publics fault. It?s your fault. You repeatedly make the choice to defend the worst of the worst in a political and social climate where you will eventually lose. You don?t even have the sense to pick and choose battles and choose battles you can win. Instead, you let the worst of the worst in this industry pick a fight on your behalf. Brilliant! Are you fucking kidding me? Eventually you will lose these fights? And once you finally lose? you will lose big because the fight against you will never stop and you don?t have the brains or foresight to organize and defend yourselves, set standards and police yourselves. Instead? you are happy doing lines of cocaine off a strippers ass while complaining about who is President and how unfair life is and will just let the Christian Right do it for you.

How will the government restrict your business because you didn?t have the brains, foresight and organizational skills to put yourself in a defensible position first? Because in the most important fights, you choose to not have a strong defensive plan or even an offense?

This industry is like a really big, cocky, heavy weight fighter with a glass jaw. Eventually, its going to catch one on the chin and it will be lights out for all. It?s not a question of ?if?? only ?when? ?. and why? because most of you stupid assholes prefer to think its your ?right? and will keep doing that until its finally decided to take that ?right? away because you just can?t and won?t see the bigger picture.

Pretty much agree with everything you said.. People think just because they can do it that it's legal. Umm hello porn producers.. You should all know that you have to be able to prove your work has some sort of artistic value.

Beaver Bob · 06-05-2008, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

People think just because he call his shit porn that it is. Sorry but the dude is pissing in girls mouths and filming what seems to be forced sex on drugged girls. Big surprise he got hit with obscenity charges.

Where is the artistic value in that?

I'm not against free speech in any means, but really what does this kind of content "add" to our industry? The shit he films is exactly what gives us a bad name and will now likely cause the rest of us problems.

if the content is making max money, who cares? we don't have to like Max's content or even agree with him making it to see that this whole case is fucked up.

crockett · 06-05-2008, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Beaver Bob

if the content is making max money, who cares? we don't have to like Max's content or even agree with him making it to see that this whole case is fucked up.

It seems the law cared..

You shoot porn in the US and don't think anyone cares about obscenity?

Paul Markham · 06-05-2008, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by pr0

well now that max got hammered....who's the person "sticking out" the most after him?

pretty soon they'll get to everyone

consider this business doomed

About the most stupidest statement so far. Sorry mate but if the cap fits.

Men will jerk off to what ever they can get. If the limit is pictures of girls tits then those who produce them will sell them. It actually means people will have to think about what they produce in the future and wonder if they will get prosecuted.

Don't worry porn will still exist if Max can't piss in girls mouths.

dav3 · 06-05-2008, 11:32 PM

As long as no one was injured, how is it obscene? Crazy

Paul Markham · 06-05-2008, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Read pleasurepays he makes some sense,its the hard truth:

This industry is like a really big, cocky, heavy weight fighter with a glass jaw. Eventually, its going to catch one on the chin and it will be lights out for all. It?s not a question of ?if?? only ?when? ?. and why? because most of you stupid assholes prefer to think its your ?right? and will keep doing that until its finally decided to take that ?right? away because you just can?t and won?t see the bigger picture.

Won't quote it all because it's too long and people should of read it by now.

All the Freedom of Speech stuff here is BS. No one here is interested in FoS. They just want to produce what ever they like so they can make money. They want no restriction, no laws and nothing to stop them publishing what ever they want so they can make a buck or two. And for many that's the level they are at.

OK you now have an industry that is so deregulated, uncontrolled and free as any. What's the results?

Tube and Torrent sites that can steal and publish what ever they like, legal free sites that any 8 year old who can use a computer can wander into and an industry where it has never been harder to make money.

Nothing will cull the lame and stupid in this industry more than MORE LAWS AND RESTRICTIONS. If you support less laws you obviously support more competition.

06-05-2008, 06:26 PM	#101
d-null . . . Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 13,724	in this day and age where nearly every high school kid has seen 2girls1cup and filmed their friends and grandparents reactions to it and posted them on youtube, it seems strange that the courts would take such a regressive move __________________ __________________ Looking for a custom TUBE SCRIPT that supports massive traffic, load balancing, billing support, and h264 encoding? Hit up Konrad! Looking for designs for your websites or custom tubesite design? Hit up Zuzana Designs Check out the #1 WordPress SEO Plugin: CyberSEO Suite

06-05-2008, 06:36 PM	#105
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06-05-2008, 06:50 PM	#106
Some Guy Affordable Content! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tucson, Arizona Posts: 1,750	I doubt he'll be seeing any real hard time (maybe a couple of months in county, if that), but I guarantee you he'll have some hefty fines to pay. Very hefty. He'll be made an example of, for sure. __________________ Need a Cheap Design? - Cheap Quality Content Available! Fuck you Michelle Malkin and Fox News

06-05-2008, 06:56 PM	#110
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06-05-2008, 06:58 PM	#111
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06-05-2008, 06:52 PM	#107
Scootermuze Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 4,513	Hate it if you will, but everything has its limits... even the 1st amendment... Just because something can be done or said doesn't mean it will follow that the 1st amendment protects one's right to do or say it. Those that choose to push the envelop do nothing but put others in jeopardy without regard to future consequences, for the sake of the all might dollar.

06-05-2008, 07:22 PM	#113
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06-05-2008, 07:23 PM	#114
MediaGuy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Montrealquebecanada Posts: 5,500	Wrong. Ever so wrong... I didn't read this whole thread, sorry, but there's times where I'm so relieved to be Canadian... Who the fuck and why on Earth would anyone in our business vote republican in the US?!? I must be missing out on something here... I know the republicans are pro-business, and we're all about business... but the Christian Fundamentalists who've been running the GOP for 30 years now put the Bible above Bucks... If Paul is going to jail, or paying huge "fines" for his shit (which, btw, I find completely gross and am not for) it's because of every idiot on GFY and in this business who voted for feeb-brain Bush jr. Period. Assholes. __________________ YOU Are Industry News! Press Releases: pr[at]payoutmag.com Facebook: Payout Magazine! Facebook: MIKEB! ICQ: 248843947 Skype: Mediaguy1

06-05-2008, 07:29 PM	#119
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06-05-2008, 07:48 PM	#122
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06-05-2008, 08:31 PM	#124
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06-05-2008, 08:40 PM	#126
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	I didnt read the entire thread either, but I want to repeat what has been said before: the only people on the entire planet who were FORCED to view and consider the video(s) in question are the JURY. That is part of what is wrong with obscenity trials in the US right now, as well as how to apply "community standards". People dont get max hardcore movies jammed in their mailboxes by accident. They CHOOSE to order them! Therefore it is patently NOT OBSCENE to them. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

06-05-2008, 09:43 PM	#132
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06-05-2008, 09:59 PM	#135
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06-05-2008, 10:21 PM	#140
cranki Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Café del Mar Posts: 5,162	I'm glad I live in the land of the free aka. the rest of the world Obscenity laws are total bullshit, how dare you let a JURY (Idiots too stupid to escape the duty) decide on what's good or not, that's ridiculous...

06-05-2008, 10:26 PM	#141
Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	I see the morally superior pornographers are out in full force on this one. Why am I not surprised? To me, it's like this. Max pissing in a girl's mouth, displayed on a billboard in the middle of town. That's obscene. Max pissing in a girl's mouth, recorded on DVD, and shipped in a plain brown wrapper to someone who specifically requested that material and paid money for it, is free expression. If you can't make that distinction, then you're not intelligent enough to understand the rest of this post, so please put me on ignore right now. All freedoms come with a price. Extreme pornography is the inevitable consequence of the free expression clause, the same way Scientology or the Branch Davidians are the inevitable consequence of the free exercise clause, the same way that the National Enquirer is the inevitable consequence of a free press, the same way that the Montana Militia Men are the inevitable consequence of the 2nd amendment. Max Hardcore hasn't made your life harder anymore than the Jehovah's Witnesses have made life harder for Catholics. (Many communities directed laws against the Witnesses and many court battles ensued, but it didn't make it harder for anyone else to practice their religion) The National Enquirer's constant publication of erroneous reports doesn't hurt the New York Times. The Montana Militia Men don't make it harder for you to own a shotgun. If there is any place where there should be a wholehearted embrace of the 1st amendment it should be here. Free expression can't just apply to things you like or things that don't offend you, it HAS TO apply to things that make you sick to your stomach or else it isn't really freedom. Those of you who say Max was "asking for it" are delusional. "Asking for it" would be pissing in a girl's mouth in the middle of Times Square. He filmed sex acts (granted, deviant sex acts by almost anyone's standards) between consenting adults, and sold copies of the film to other adults who specifically requested it. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with that. Televangelists make me sick to my stomach. I want to puke every time they speak in tongues or plant a staff member in a wheelchair so they can "heal them" or say that god's blessing awaits you if you just send money to their ministry. I would rather watch 10 straight hours of Max taking a shit than 10 minutes of a televangelist. Just because they offend me doesn't mean they don't have the right to do what they do. (They, by the way, do it in the middle of Times Square) Their offensiveness is even more egregious, because they specifically target their speech at people who don't wish to hear it, rather than limiting it to people who request it. Yet their rights are sacrosanct, and Max apparently has no rights. Stick that in your irony pipe and smoke it. __________________ sig too big

06-05-2008, 10:41 PM	#143
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	they gave the guy from jaded video immunity to testify in the case. well, that is what the tampa bay new website said anyhow.

06-05-2008, 11:32 PM	#149
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