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Jakke PNG · 10-16-2002, 04:09 AM

Fuck this shit!
I've been working my ass off on some designs...
now I happen to have some free time due to the fact that I can't contact a few people who owe me money.

Am I naive or what, because I trust people who order designs?
What's wrong with people?! I've never seen so much scammers and asswipes than I've seen on the adult online biz. Fuckheads!

I've been scammed for over $2k worth of designs since august...
after they receive the package, bam, no word.. email bounces and ICQ ain't online. It's fucking great! Just wonderful.

Life is great.

So, what I'm trying to say here...

FUCK YOU!

Rocky · 10-16-2002, 04:17 AM

hmmm...would this be a bad time to hit you up for a design job?

need it done as quickly and as cheap as possible

btw - check is in the mail bub

please send any further correspondence to [email protected]

hate to sound like i'm rushing you, but are you done yet?!!

nope, do it again

don't like that version, one more time but this round make the letters a tiny bit bigger and the blue a pube hair lighter in color

great, glad to see we're clicking

on the same level

can you throw in 130 banners for free?

i mean, just how long can those things take to make???

thanks buddy

did i already mention the wire transfer will be going through on Saturday

Jakke PNG · 10-16-2002, 04:24 AM

Rocky..
That sounds strangely familiar..
Did I work for you earlier

[Labret] · 10-16-2002, 04:28 AM

Yeah, that sucks. This line of work seems to attract a lot of idiots and scammers. Make them pay a little up front. If not all of it.

=^..^= · 10-16-2002, 04:28 AM

TGF - sounds all too familiar .. lots of designer have been saying the same thing lately - I don't think it's just design though
we've had a few run ins with assholes liek that

I did a design for someone last week -they bought some content off me - then decided they needed an AVS site also
they KNEW it was 5am where I live , i am pregnant as in about to POP! and that I was JUST about to go to bed ..but they needed it asap
so against all my better judgement I did it for them
they kept hassling me on ICQ - is it done? is it done? every 1 minute - I uploaded it to my server to show them they took a look said "kool okay I'll paypal you'
then went offline

then the next day they are back on the boards asking ppl "what should I do with this domain ??"

assholes

Ok so I have a kool site with all my own content so it hasn't gone to watse fortunately

but I was sick all day from staying up so late without sleep
- not good when you're pregnant

so from now on I my deisgn work the same as I do my custom content
I want half now- half when finished

Firehorse · 10-16-2002, 04:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by =^..^=
TGF - sounds all too familiar .. lots of designer have been saying the same thing lately - I don't think it's just design though
we've had a few run ins with assholes liek that

I did a design for someone last week -they bought some content off me - then decided they needed an AVS site also
they KNEW it was 5am where I live , i am pregnant as in about to POP! and that I was JUST about to go to bed ..but they needed it asap
so against all my better judgement I did it for them
they kept hassling me on ICQ - is it done? is it done? every 1 minute - I uploaded it to my server to show them they took a look said "kool okay I'll paypal you'
then went offline

then the next day they are back on the boards asking ppl "what should I do with this domain ??"

assholes

Ok so I have a kool site with all my own content so it hasn't gone to watse fortunately

but I was sick all day from staying up so late without sleep
- not good when you're pregnant

so from now on I my deisgn work the same as I do my custom content
I want half now- half when finished

I have a suspicion of who they really are and if I am right I don't think a lot of people will be surprised.

Reaper · 10-16-2002, 04:31 AM

Sorry to say but why would you be stoopid enough to give them the design without recieving money. Personally id just give a Screen shot not a full blown tour design.

=^..^= · 10-16-2002, 04:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Reaper
Sorry to say but why would you be stoopid enough to give them the design without recieving money. Personally id just give a Screen shot not a full blown tour design.

i agree - never give over design until you have the $$$ put it up in your server with a water mark or "sample" on it - let them look at it there and see if they want it or need it changed etc

Jakke PNG · 10-16-2002, 04:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]
Yeah, that sucks. This line of work seems to attract a lot of idiots and scammers. Make them pay a little up front. If not all of it.

Yeah, definately more idiots than in offline bisness's. If I was scammed in some offline venture, I could go to their place and use brute force. Now I don't 'really' even know to whom I did the design.

I've been pondering about the upfront payment, but I really don't like it. I'd rather do the design first and then get paid IF the customer likes it.. as if the customer is too much trouble, I can just tell him to go elsewhere as he hasn't paid anything yet.

But I really ought to rethink my business plan. I've been scammed almost off as much money as I've made from designs, that's not a good percentage!

Jakke PNG · 10-16-2002, 04:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Reaper
Sorry to say but why would you be stoopid enough to give them the design without recieving money. Personally id just give a Screen shot not a full blown tour design.

Yes.
Most of the scammers.. no actually all of the scammers have paid at first, but when I've done more sites for them after the ones they've paid.. they just vanish.

bibabi · 10-16-2002, 04:43 AM

I have had that problem only once, and it wasn't with a little guy. It is with a HUGE paysite company. I usually ask for at least half down, but with the bigger companies I invoice because I figure they will pay you. You know what though that is not the case here.

So my advice to you no matter how big or small get the money upfront and don't give them the final design until you are paid in full.

ADL Colin · 10-16-2002, 04:45 AM

TeenGodFather,

I remember this same thing happening to you a while ago. You're a good guy -- too good.

You said "I'd rather do the design first and then get paid IF the customer likes it."

I think most people would be willing to pay 1/2 up front. If they aren't happy with something you do, then you can always alter it for them according to their need - rather than killing the deal.

If they like your samples, they should like your work.

Jakke PNG · 10-16-2002, 04:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Colin
TeenGodFather,

I remember this same thing happening to you a while ago. You're a good guy -- too good.

I guess I'm just stupid, for not learning from experience.

Rocky · 10-16-2002, 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TeenGodFather

I guess I'm just stupid, for not learning from experience.

you're not stupid, just too trustworthy and honest

this biz shouldn't be any different then the offline world

when i used to get jobs for outdoor sculptures or for installation art pieces, i would always provide samples prior to execution

total payment of outdoor work is always upfront before anything has been realized, but smaller art pieces would be invoiced after completion and the work would not make it to the client until the invoice was paid in full

Libertine · 10-16-2002, 05:14 AM

Personally, as a programmer, I've never had people not pay me, even though they always only have to pay me after the work is done.

ADL Colin · 10-16-2002, 05:48 AM

I agree with Rocky. You just have to put your foot down on it, man. I only meant that you need to make a rule and stick to it. No need make exceptions for anyone.

We all have shit we gotta work on ;-)

hahmike · 10-16-2002, 05:50 AM

shame you don't have their home addresses.

you could shit in a bag and mail it to them.

Loch · 10-16-2002, 06:18 AM

When we ran a design company we always demanded payment in full upfront.
Some had a problem with this, but as i see it "i dont give a fuck".
There are ALLOT of scammers out there so i cant see the reason for not demanding payment up front!

For the scammers out there

Luckely we do not have to worry about that anymore

10-16-2002, 04:09 AM	#1
Jakke PNG ex-TeenGodFather Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Suomi Finland Perkele Posts: 20,306	I hate you. Fuck this shit! I've been working my ass off on some designs... now I happen to have some free time due to the fact that I can't contact a few people who owe me money. Am I naive or what, because I trust people who order designs? What's wrong with people?! I've never seen so much scammers and asswipes than I've seen on the adult online biz. Fuckheads! I've been scammed for over $2k worth of designs since august... after they receive the package, bam, no word.. email bounces and ICQ ain't online. It's fucking great! Just wonderful. Life is great. So, what I'm trying to say here... FUCK YOU! __________________ ..and I'm off.

10-16-2002, 04:17 AM	#2
Rocky Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Living Off The Grid Posts: 3,022	hmmm...would this be a bad time to hit you up for a design job? need it done as quickly and as cheap as possible btw - check is in the mail bub please send any further correspondence to [email protected] hate to sound like i'm rushing you, but are you done yet?!! nope, do it again don't like that version, one more time but this round make the letters a tiny bit bigger and the blue a pube hair lighter in color great, glad to see we're clicking on the same level can you throw in 130 banners for free? i mean, just how long can those things take to make??? thanks buddy did i already mention the wire transfer will be going through on Saturday __________________ Are you down with Sin?

10-16-2002, 04:24 AM	#3
Jakke PNG ex-TeenGodFather Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Suomi Finland Perkele Posts: 20,306	Rocky.. That sounds strangely familiar.. Did I work for you earlier __________________ ..and I'm off.

10-16-2002, 04:28 AM	#5
=^..^= Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: ICQ 380-366 Posts: 6,935	TGF - sounds all too familiar .. lots of designer have been saying the same thing lately - I don't think it's just design though we've had a few run ins with assholes liek that I did a design for someone last week -they bought some content off me - then decided they needed an AVS site also they KNEW it was 5am where I live , i am pregnant as in about to POP! and that I was JUST about to go to bed ..but they needed it asap so against all my better judgement I did it for them they kept hassling me on ICQ - is it done? is it done? every 1 minute - I uploaded it to my server to show them they took a look said "kool okay I'll paypal you' then went offline then the next day they are back on the boards asking ppl "what should I do with this domain ??" assholes Ok so I have a kool site with all my own content so it hasn't gone to watse fortunately but I was sick all day from staying up so late without sleep - not good when you're pregnant so from now on I my deisgn work the same as I do my custom content I want half now- half when finished __________________ #RememberYourRoots #AaronMForGFYHOF

10-16-2002, 04:31 AM	#7
Reaper Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 44	Sorry to say but why would you be stoopid enough to give them the design without recieving money. Personally id just give a Screen shot not a full blown tour design. __________________ The war has just begun or has it passed us all by?

10-16-2002, 04:28 AM	#4
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	Yeah, that sucks. This line of work seems to attract a lot of idiots and scammers. Make them pay a little up front. If not all of it.

10-16-2002, 04:43 AM	#11
bibabi Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 181	I have had that problem only once, and it wasn't with a little guy. It is with a HUGE paysite company. I usually ask for at least half down, but with the bigger companies I invoice because I figure they will pay you. You know what though that is not the case here. So my advice to you no matter how big or small get the money upfront and don't give them the final design until you are paid in full. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

10-16-2002, 04:45 AM	#12
ADL Colin Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Tube Titans, USA Posts: 11,929	TeenGodFather, I remember this same thing happening to you a while ago. You're a good guy -- too good. You said "I'd rather do the design first and then get paid IF the customer likes it." I think most people would be willing to pay 1/2 up front. If they aren't happy with something you do, then you can always alter it for them according to their need - rather than killing the deal. If they like your samples, they should like your work. __________________ Adult Date Link - $50 PPS starting NOW! -- good and JUICY! skype = "adultdatelink"

10-16-2002, 05:14 AM	#15
Libertine sex dwarf Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 17,860	Personally, as a programmer, I've never had people not pay me, even though they always only have to pay me after the work is done. __________________ /(bb\|[^b]{2})/

10-16-2002, 05:48 AM	#16
ADL Colin Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Tube Titans, USA Posts: 11,929	I agree with Rocky. You just have to put your foot down on it, man. I only meant that you need to make a rule and stick to it. No need make exceptions for anyone. We all have shit we gotta work on ;-) __________________ Adult Date Link - $50 PPS starting NOW! -- good and JUICY! skype = "adultdatelink"

10-16-2002, 05:50 AM	#17
hahmike So Fucking Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,488	shame you don't have their home addresses. you could shit in a bag and mail it to them.

10-16-2002, 06:18 AM	#18
Loch Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 7,674	When we ran a design company we always demanded payment in full upfront. Some had a problem with this, but as i see it "i dont give a fuck". There are ALLOT of scammers out there so i cant see the reason for not demanding payment up front! For the scammers out there Luckely we do not have to worry about that anymore __________________ Contact us for Beta store access (4000 HD/SD productions) - Editing - Encoding/Post production ICQ - 277 862 930 E-mail casper /@/ cool-content.com