Well if the liberal media is controlling the election, it should be 100% clear they are pro-Obama and anti-Clinton.

How would Obama supporters like to see Larry King Live do a full hour on "Should Obama Quit?" with a big banner along the bottom the entire time. Speculating on how Obama was destroying the party, how Obama just wouldnt go away etc etc ad nauseum?

And then he WINS by double digits and the next day they're asking "what will it take for Obama to quit?" Good lord. If you think the media is trying to help Clinton win, they have a funny way of doing it lol!

i was eating chocolate, didn't have time

I don't really consider the media to be liberal, any of it. Some of the reporters and hosts are, but the overall media in my eyes is super conservative. I listen to talk radio and they blast the same thing - but when I watch the news I feel no real liberal would back, say or do what they do.

This is only an opinion on how I view the media playing this game.

I think they really want McCain to win, in a bad way.

Obama only stands a chance because of the black vote, if they vote. His white vote count is not up with Hillary, and without the black vote he probably would have already been out.

So I think they are attacking Hillary now as she is only real threat. I take the attacks that almost appear to be exclusive to her, pretty much telling us how much of a threat she really is, to them. If they can damage her rep or make it so she isn't in the game at all, then the challenge is easy.

I can only guess what will happen if it's McCain vs Obama. But I think some very bad history is being held down about Obama until this match up happens. Between his already shady past and the new unknowns they will bring up, and the white 'man' vote count... I really think they feel they can beat Obama, easily.

For now the target is Hillary and she is doing a fine job hanging herself for them.

Other countries have parliamentary systems, that's the big difference.

i doubt he will be supporting Hillary or her bed buddy John mccunt.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3816551

In a Sunday appearance on "This Week with George Stephanopoulos," Edwards made clear his belief that Clinton "operates in a corrupt system."


"I think, first of all, that she defends a system that doesn't work in Washington, D.C.," Edwards said. "She thinks it's fine to continue taking lobbyist money. She thinks it's fine to be the biggest recipient of, you know, health insurance money, health industry money, defense money, et cetera. And she says she will be the agent for change. Well, I just don't think that's going to happen."

bcuz ther is nhothing to say....and jst leave it at tht

Here's what I think will happen:

Obama will get the Democratic nomination. Most super delegates simply will not go against the voter's choice, even though they have the right to, and even if they believe it would be the better decision.

McCain will most likely win against Obama in the general election. It's questionable if Obama will be able to withstand the Republican attack machine (which is much heavier and dirtier than Hillary's), and Obama just isn't very appealing for many swing voters (white or hispanic, blue collar).

Moreover, Obama will lose the hidden racist vote. It's sad, but many whites would choose McCain over Obama solely because Obama is black - just like many blacks, right now, are choosing Obama over Hillary because Obama is black.

If Hillary were to get the Democratic nomination now, she would most likely lose against McCain as well, because many people would consider it to be a "stolen nomination", and would either not vote, or vote against her for that reason.

That's been my experience as well. Every election we've ever had up here has seen local media (especially newspapers) print articles and opinion pieces that make them come off as very (and I do mean very) pro-conservative, and slanted negatively towards all other parties.

No surprise though, they are all owned by people who are themselves pro consevative. While understandible I think it's detestable. News media should be as unbiased as possible, and in an ideal world they would be. But this isn't an ideal world. :upsidedow

Here's a good example of Obama's big problem:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...t/florida.html

In Florida, Obama doesn't have the slightest chance of beating McCain. Hillary, on the other hand, would actually have some chance of beating McCain.

Her more bad news for Obama

"And, in a troubling sign for the Obama camp, only 50 percent of Pennsylvania voters who picked Clinton said they would vote for Obama if he was the Democratic nominee, but 26 percent said they would vote for McCain."

Well then why doesn't he announce his support for Obama then? He dropped out to supposedly clear things up. Well 3 months later it still isn't over. So call a press conference in NC say you're supporting Obama and give him your 18 delegates. The weird thing is ther are many super delegates that actually already made up their mind on who theya re going to support but sstay silent? why? Espcailly Obama super deleagtes. The sooner all his silent supporters speak up the bigger his delegate lead looks and this thing could be over NOW.

Hillary was expected to win in Penn.. it was obvious

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
And McCain's 100 year war is much better?

VOTE NONE OF THE ABOVE!

As A Matter of Fact...

Yeah.

You people consider Iraq a war? It is a fucking Slaughter house that is cleansing the world of future terrorists that are more than willing to come over to the USA and fuck shit up if nothing is done about it today for the next number of years.

A good decisive plan for Iraq would have been helpful from the start but now I do believe the USA needs to own up to the responsibility for whats happened in Iraq.

USA NEEDS TO MAKE IRAQ A STRONG COUNTRY THAT CAN HOLD ITS OWN MILITARILY AND POLITICALLY. The way I see it we owe it to the Iraqi's that when USA Leaves Iraq we do it properly and not some wild cut out and leave.

Obama has it all wrong.
Hillary Has it kinda right.
McCain is Spot on about Iraq.

more like breeding ground.


you=RETARD

That to:) Let em Keep breeding terrorists.

The Score is about 1 American Death To 75 give or take 20.

So if you think America is losing this war you are on serious drugs.

The media does not know shit about Military statistics the media just loves to show the color red at every corner inbetween commericals. I am proud of the American Military for its Precision in execution. Never in the history of the world has there been a stronger army.

Now if we could just get the politians to be the best in the world instead of electing morons and Jr's we would be in alot better spot on the global stage.

The fact that it's taking longer to "win" this war than it was to defeat both Germany AND Japan is quite sad.

Only an idiot cares how long it takes.

As long as it takes is what it should be at this point such that America does not hand Iraq over to the Mullah's on a silver plater.

Little hint about Iraq. The Iraqi's do not want us there, but the Iraqis do not want us to leave either until they can stand on thier own. Thats a fact and under reported in the media. Rest Assured America should leave Iraq and I believe that when America does leave Iraq, Iraq should be better than when we came.

It is the right thing to do, rather than cut and run like the pussy liberal's keep going on and on about.

Obama's problem? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Colorado

Rasmussen. 4/16. Likely voters. MoE 4.5% (3/17 results)

McCain (R) 43 (46)
Obama (D) 46 (46)

McCain (R) 50 (52)
Clinton (D) 36 (38)

North Carolina:

Rasmussen. 4/10. Likely voters. MoE 4.5% (3/20 results)

McCain (R) 47 (51)
Obama (D) 47 (42)

McCain (R) 51 (50)
Clinton (D) 40 (34)

California

Rasmussen. 4/16. Likely voters. MoE 4.5% (3/12 results)

McCain (R) 43 (38)
Obama (D) 50 (53)

McCain (R) 42 (39)
Clinton (D) 47 (46)


Minnesota

SurveyUSA. 4/11-13. Likely voters. MoE 4.3% (3/14-16 results)

McCain (R) 43 (47)
Obama (D) 49 (46)

McCain (R) 46 (46)
Clinton (D) 47 (49)

Washington:

SurveyUSA. 4/14-17. Likely voters. MoE 4% (3/14-16 results)

McCain (R) 40 (47)
Obama (D) 53 (48)

McCain (R) 45 (47)
Clinton (D) 48 (47)


Arizona.

Rasmussen. 4/15. Likely voters. MoE 4.5% (No trend lines)

McCain (R) 57
Obama (D) 37

McCain (R) 60
Clinton (D) 32



This is ALL post Reverend Wright. And all of these numbers reflect an untouched, untested, and unvetted John McCain due to the Dem race. Now are you going to tell me that polls don't matter? I can post more. I grabbed these quickly off the KOS but one visit to Rasmussen and you'll see that this is a trend. He loses Florida but she loses all the "states that don't matter". Stop drinking the Clinton Kool-Aid. It's amazing how they'll make a statement and every believes that it must be true since the Clinton's said it.

Polls dont matter.
Only the final outcome.

especially that blather you posted.

Democrats have not even had a chance to Campaign for Presidency yet.
So that poll is pure shit.

Holy fuck this thread is filled with fucking idiots. I am now totally sure that AlienQ and minuseonbit are related.

I know how much it drives you GFY biggots crazy that this black guy actually has a chance at being the President of the United States. "I'll never see it in my lifetime" you told yourself over and over again. "He'll never win because he's black" you said countless times....then all of the sudden....he started winning. Now the argument is "He only wins because he is black, blacks vote for him and white liberal guilt causes whites to vote for him". So which one is it?

And for all of the fortune tellers that say "Obama can't win" and wants to point to polls here goes a stack of them. Wait til Summer time when John McCain shows us that he's a continuation of George Bush and his record low approval rating. Mickey Mouse can beat John McCain at this point.


Real Clear Politics - Averages of 8 leading national polls

Rasmussen 04/19 - 04/22
Gallup Tracking 04/18 - 04/22
USA Today/Gallup 04/18 - 04/20
Cook/RT Strategies 04/17 - 04/20
Newsweek 04/16 - 04/17 44%
ABC/Wash Post 04/10 - 04/13 44%
Reuters/Zogby 04/10 - 04/13 45%
AP-Ipsos


General Election: McCain (leads 4 polls) vs. Clinton (leads 3 polls) - tied in 1 poll

McCain (R)
45.6%

Clinton (D)
45.8%



General Election: McCain (leads in 2 polls) vs. Obama (leads in 4 polls) - tied in 2 polls

McCain (R)
44.9%

Obama (D)
46.0%

So is your opinion what we are all to form our opinions around? Or should we go with the most solid thing we have so far....poll numbers?

I'm guess you think that we should listen to talking heads on FOX and internet message boards?

hmmm

No I consider the Iraq war a crime against humanity. There are almost no terrorist except the ones we made with our stupid policies. We can't not kill all the ones there are now because there will never be less only more since everyone killed creates at least 2 in his place. We didn't and don't belong there and we are only in Iraq because of lies. What we need to do is stop wasting money on this war and fix the problems in the USA before it collapses and stay out of other countries business. We can give them aid to rebuild but that is it.

You know this time 4 years ago Kerry led Bush by 15 points. how'd that turn out?

Well, for the only thread, not a bad 150

Eh, have you even looked at the polls you posted? In only 1 of those Clinton loses where Obama would win, and in another Obama and McCain tie where Clinton would lose.

Meanwhile, here's an Ohio to add to the Florida:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...dent/ohio.html

Or, here's a more useful overall comparison of electoral votes:
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp200...aps/Apr23.html Clinton 289 McCain 239 Tied 10
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp200...aps/Apr23.html Obama 269 McCain 254 Tied 15

Obviously, these are all just polls, and things will still change. The point should be clear, though.

Now, Clinton doesn't have a chance in hell of getting the Dem nomination, so I'm rooting for Obama to win the general election. That doesn't take away from the fact that Clinton would have had a better chance of beating McCain.

Exactly :thumbsup

Showing polls that try to show Obama doing better in a hypothetical matchiup with McCain, is an Obama tactic as well in his speeches. He tries to skim over this little problem he's having.

Also, the margin of error on all of those polls is large enough for them to be completely the opposite.

It's a CLOSE primary, we can deal with it. Everyone should just be prepared to see the one they dont want winning, and it'll be fine.

Two things.

1) Obama never campaigned in Florida. In every state where he has campaigned his numbers have gone up. In Ohio and Pennsylvania he started out down by over 20 points and closed to within 10 in just a few weeks. Logic would dictate that his number in Florida would rise as well once he started campaigning there.


2) General election polls taken before the party conventions are worthless. The election is in 7 months. 4 months ago, before Iowa, Hillary was ahead nationwide by 20 points....things obviously didn't stay that way.

GatorB will prove my point for me...

These polls about how Clinton supporters won't vote for Obama and Obama supporters won't vote for Clinton are hogwash.

If you ask people this while the two are still slugging it out then of course the most die-hard of their supporters are only going to say things to the pollsters that they believe helps their candidate.

Once it's all over people are going to have to choose between the Democrat and McCain, and the fact that they're voting in the democratic primary tells you all you need to know about how they'll vote come November.

Boo the fucking hoo... god your a such a child.. Go back to mimicing boneprone with the "I fucked her" antics since you don't even have the mental chops to come up with your own schtick.