Socks

I have some uhhh past experience in these matters... I even once won Overgrow.com picture of the month for my magical creation called Rosebud.. Wish I could find the picture, or that the FBI didn't take down overgrow so we could all enjoy it... But alas!

I have a few questions, I'm hoping someone here can help.

#1 - Tick's Organic Soil Mix.

Most times you use A + B chemical fertilizer (aka dutch nutrients) every time you water generally. At overgrow this guy named Tick posted his "Tick's organic soil mix" recipe, where you basically mix all this stuff up at the beginning, and then you never need to fertilize. The nutrients just are used up as they're needed by the plant - just add water!

I got some crazy results using said formula, but when Overgrow went down.. So did the recipe.

I remember some of the things in it:

- Promix BX
- Worm Castings
- Bone Meal
- Blood Meal

Could have also included things like bat guano, glacial rocks, etc.. I'd be guessing with these though.

If anyone could do some google mastery and find this thread or the recipe / mix, it would be appreciated! I've tried a bit, no luck yet.



#2 - Does anyone have experience with expensive seeds? I know genetics are important, but is spending hundreds of dollars on seeds really the difference maker?

3# - I'm curious if these circular "omega garden" type systems work well, where a cylinder turns around a two lights, and dips the roots in the water reservoir once each revolution of the wheel.

Anyone seen one in action, does it work as well as it's supposed to?

JFK

interesting thread

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that circular thing would only be good for rooting clones and vegging for a week or two at most.

not sure about the soil though.

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Assuming I wished to grow healthy plants of any type I would typically start with a soil that looked something like this.
6 parts promix hp
3 parts perlite
1 part worm castings

Then I would want to add in some minerals for like every gallon of soil I was making.

Perhaps like
2 tablespoons dolomite lime
2 tablespoons bone meal (only in my flowering or fruiting soil but well..)
1 tablespoon kelp meal
1 tablespoon blood meal
1 tsp Epsom salts

Of course I may want the microbial action to start so I would mix this all up at least two to three weeks before using. I would also want to wet it with some B-1 mixed into a gallon of water. Most formulas are like 1 tablespoon per gallon of water.

However I would really want to keep anything I was growing really hopping along and thus I would really want them to have some tea when watered. The tea would be something like this.
4 gallons of water and then add (I would wrap in cheese cloth and let sit for a day or so. It allows it to really brew plus the crap in water like chlorine will dissipate, just give it a stir once or twice a day.)
4 tablespoons worm castings
3 tablespoons plus 2 teaspoons blackstrap molasses
3 tablespoons guano (bat preferably)
2 tablespoons liquid seaweed
2 tablespoons liquid humic acid

Thats assuming I wanted to grow really healthy plants, of whatever type they may be. I just feel it is a damn good start to begin with at least. Some may like liquid alfalfa, others may feel it could use some mushroom compost. It all really depends on individual tweaks. I just know I would always use a tea regardless.

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hungry hungry hippy

someone said icmag has what you need for your tomato garden

maxjohan

Can't you use www.waybackmachine.org to find the thread there?

I used to lurk overgrow from time to time.. I liked the pictures a lot, some
real hardcore growers there.

You can find feminized Purple Haze seeds from SensiSeeds, and I assure you they are high quality but expensive (they only have feminized of purple haze)

Yes genetics matters. Think about it, 10,000 years ago we were fit hairy hunters and through generations we have gone to overweight and lazy.

http://www.sensiseeds.com/

Peace.

Just remember it's illegal to grow in most countries.

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Damnit ... I miss overgrow ... used to be a dope site .... literally ...

I know fuck all about cultivating but I'm guessing the next best site for research would be:-

http://www.uk420.com

poto

part of the old OG FAQ can be found at http://growfaq.net <-- that should answer most of your questions...

yes, definitely... good genetics are a must...

good seeds are expensive, but one crop with controlled pollination will supply you with years of viable seeds... or you can just clone...

although, if it's your first time growing you may want to do a practice run with bagseed first so you don't accidentally kill or ruin your expensive dutch genetics...

if I remember correctly the concept behind that was to get maximum light exposure in a SOG (sea of green) setup... it was pretty much just an overpriced piece of junk imho... a much simpler setup would be to buy more lights, keep the plants on the ground where they belong and use reflective surfaces like mylar...

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Wow, first there were warez discussions on here, now there is weed growing, what's next?

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Socks

There is no soil, you use rockwool cubes.

This uses the 'sea of green' technique, where you put in 200-300 clones from the same mother(s) (to promote even growth) and grow very small single cola stalks. Each plant can put all its energy into a single nice stalk.

The finished plants are about a foot and a half tall I believe.

Socks

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Fuckin FBI!!! Motherfuckers.

I'll see if I can snag some of those haze seeds, good call thanks.. I think I may do the feminized this time around, save some hassle

Socks

Sweet man I'll check that link

If that machine works well, the difference in space, size, and number of lights needed would justify the price tag.. I think if you spread that sucker out it's like 5 feet across and 20 feet long, making for 100sq feet of growing area with 2 1000w lights.. You'd need a pretty big room and a lot more lights to do it any other way

Socks

Why did I know asking here was the right thing to do? :D

Awesome instructions man, I'm saving this.. Sounds about right. I know a lot of people swear by A + B, and I've used them with varying success, but the results you get with a proper soil grow using organics is just over the top, imho.

Hey, any instructions for re-using the soil, post harvest? I would flush for a good week at least with pure water.. So then Break it up, remove some of the bigger root structures, and then what? How would I get it back to the levels I'd want in order to start growing in the soil again? It's a ton of shit to throw out if you don't re-use the soil.

Socks

Here's an example of a normal Sea of Green method.. I've never used this method before, I usually grew pretty big plants.. I once grew a 6 foot tall Jack Herrer.. heh. Wasn't very good, but masssiiiivee

Notice how small the plants are, but they're probably close to ready looking at them

bufferover

They look like lowriders

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I would in theory mix up a new batch and add in a shovel full of the old stuff purely for the microbes.

If you really wanted to recycle you would want more worm castings, and then the assorted minerals and feeds. Just watch the PH and either adjust with lime or guano. Oh and hold back a bit on the epsom salts.

Still I would just re-use it elsewhere in the yard or garden and start a new batch while stealing some microbes like I said.

I also am anti flushing of all plant types grown organically. I would use tea up through flowering or fruiting as the case may be. Just adjust the guano type for a spike in N or P.

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tony286

now your posts on piracy make sense. lol

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I have done that growing style with assorted plants. Works very well actually.

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Eh?

Two big different things if I do say so. Personally I am 100% state legal and have already tried my hands versus the feds. I am more than happy to explain basics with people. I do not agree with the war and I do not agree with the laws. Honestly this is hurting nobody, unlike piracy. However one must make their own choices and should follow their local laws.

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Socks

lol cmon after.. A sea of green, rosemary style? :D lol

Thanks for your help man! I guess I can just start fresh each time, but what a load of soil.

Socks

Whatcha mean, just the illegality of it all?

I mean if it wasn't for weed we wouldn't all be here today enjoying...

;)

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Not rosemary lol thats a bush and well...
Shit like lettuce, pot, and numerous other plants. I do a hell of a lot of gardening and then wife is a landscaper. Hell even our veggie garden is not done in conventional space and water wasting rows.

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Spunky

Send me a sample

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st0ned

So umm...who wants to train me?!

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Socks

Nice

I built a planter box for my balcony last year, maybe you can give me some tips for it too. I want to grow some vegetables and herbs this year in it.

It's 6 feet long, and 2 feet wide, 2 feet deep. I built it on legs, so it's aligned with the edge of my balcony.

It's lined with plastic, and has holes in the bottom for drainage, and a water catcher so it catches the overflow.

I intend to use "square foot gardening" for it, so it will give me 12 1 foot blocks to grow in. Depending on what plants I put in there, I'll space them out accordingly to use their 1 foot of space and not overcrowd their neighbours. Certain little plants can do 16 per 1 sqft, and others have to have a whole foot to themselves.

If it works out, I can build 2 more of these on my balcony and have 36 feet of growing space. ;)

One question I have is what month do you generally start your stuff indoors, to be ready for planting outdoors when the time is right? I always miss my window!

<-- pothead. ;)

tony286

no the whole we wouldn't be here for piracy. i figured now you were smokin when you wrote that. lol

Socks

We should keep that discussion over there, but to me it's clear as day.

Kids are our future
Kids can't afford hundreds of dollars for software
Software is learned when you're a kid
Kids grow up to be professionals and consumers
Educated kids who know the best software are better off, and more useful to business
Every kid doesn't have rich parents to buy them the software they want
We don't always pick the best software first, and buying 5 different products to get the one we end up using is ridiculous

PS: I stay high.

Mike Honcho

This thread is being reported to the FBI, Good day sirs!

LOL jk, I loved overgrow, that place was the fucking shit. It helped me start my first operation. There was this chick there name Tokahontus who helped me a lot, and she grew the best looking kb in the land. God I miss that place.

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LeRoy

You need to decide first. Are you going Hydroponic or Organic? Two separate things here.

The Omega Garden is a piece of crap. lot of time waste for maintaining it.

I prefer lava rocks or tiny rock wool cubes using the General Hydroponics System. The pots I bought from the 99 cents store and hand watered them every few days. They set in a tray that drained into a 5 gallon bucket. When I finished feeding the plants I threw it away using fresh mix every time.The light was a 1000 HPS with 4 fans to keep her at a cool 78-85 degress during the hot so cal summer months. some C02 using tanks and dry ice for the cool effect.

I yeiled a pound and change every 3 months. Then I vegged some into another light and cropped every 2 months.

The seeds I ordered through Amsterdam Marijuana Seeds. The Kush. Some seeds like OG Kush from other companies are way better. go with kush you will thank me for it. You get half the yield but 100 times better.

Heres some good things to remember.

Keep your shit clean.

Prevent the pests before they come with Neem oil. You dont want those nasty bugs eating your plants.

Feed your plants purified water only . 2 weeks prior to yanking em.

Be patient drying and curing so you get the best flavor.


Happy growing

Oh Yah get a Prop 215 card and read this pamphlet for the consequences in your area for growin. If youre in an area where they dont like that shit like here in OC. You get fucked by the pigs like me. I had to do 90 days at the farm for that shit. Lucky Bruce Margolin knew the judge and saved me some prison time.Cost me 6 grand for that.It fucking sucked. Lucky I worked in the Kitchen feeding the sherrifs. I spit in all their shit hehehehe. Even the cool ones fuck em

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You forgot your zone info.

I start plants off indoors or in greenhouses so that they are ready for transplant after last frost or when ground warms. For me that typically means late feb or early march. Though right now you can buy seedlings since you missed you starting from seed window for plants like tomatoes, peppers, zucchini, cucumbers, corn, etc. You can however start lettuce from seed and then reseed every 10 days, same with radish, and carrots. You could do some beets, pea's, and beans from seed (just no successive planting).

With square foot methods if I recall correctly you could still have a hell of a garden. You have 12 square feet.
I think a tomato really needs 3 square feet and you could get away with 2 if its not a bush variety.
I recall 12 beans or peas per foot (trellis)
32 radish, carrots per foot
4-5 lettuce per square foot if you want small heads, or fill and cut like I do so its a carpet.
1 foot also would allow a brocolli, cauliflower, brussel sprout, corn stalk (can add beans or peas to that one), and a few others.
I think peppers need 2-3 feet.
Squash, cucumber, melons, 3-4 feet unless trellised. (I really like vertical gardens)

Real tricks are to rotate and share space. For instance I know my radish will grow faster than say some bibb lettuce or a tomato. So I can grow my radish in same area as those and harvest before the other effects it. Corn is really a giant space waster and should only be planted if you have at least 12 square feet or more to devote entirely to it and remember 1-2 stalks per plant. However the taste can not be beat, plus you can grow beans or peas in same area and have them climb the corn.

Then be ready for new fall plantings. You should be replanting each area as you deplete it. My garden is productive year round. We were just finishing up are hardy greens, celeriac (spelling), brussels, and plants we protected like lettuce, spinach, radishes, and such through the winter months. Protection was just some half circle shaped wire and near clear plastic painters cloth. Oh and on our patio boxes and some others we did bury some heating pads though those are rarely used.

I can safely say a 4'x4' or 32 square feet of space can supply a family of 2 in fresh veggies year round. Be creative and also think of using pots, containers, hanging baskets, and the like. Hell I grow strawberries out of a stocking that is hung with holes slit in it and it filled with soil. That one leg provided space for around 12 plants and took up nearly zero space. A tomato can easily be grown in a gallon pot or even hung like the above mentioned strawberries.

Oh and do not forget to think about adding an indoor or near the kitchen herb garden. Again very little space is required and it saves a bundle.

So do you want more info?

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Socks

hahahah great read.. I'm canadian so it's a bit more lax over here.. Not like I'm a commercial grower or something, just for personal and friends, a few plants.

I never wanted to try out the hydroponics stuff too much, something about growing a plant in soil that just seems too easy to really mess with. Plus all the organic micro organisms like After's saying that are beneficial to the plant. But for me it's just more traditional I guess.

I'll check out that seed bank, but I don't know how much I want to order seeds from mail. There's lots of places in Toronto that sell them legally and openly in their store, so why not just buy them there safely. I guess it's the same, but whatever, paying cash is nice.

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1. You can do hydro organic, soil organic, or hydro with chemicals. Just a FYI.
2. Lava rock is nice, rock wool is the evil and is also an environmental hazard to dispose of (keep that in mind) and if you must choose I would go with rock or better yet coconut fiber. Assuming your not doing organic soil hydro which is best.
3. Good call on mite prevention, neem or some other remedies work well.
4. Flushing plants is really only needed in a chemical hydro operation I really think. Even then tap water left out for a few days will clean itself more than well enough.
5. Again good info on patience and drying and do not use a dehydrator unless you need to rush a sample before you cut.
6. Solid advice on the card, just make damn sure you get one of the state issued ones if you want minimal issues and then follow the recommendations set by the AG of the state.
7. Sorry man but your lawyer ass fucked you and got you time as an added creampie. I have been up against the feds for 10-life as well as against the state/county/city. Not only did I win or had them dismissed. I had one incident where the city had to return my plants to me and another situation where the county had to pay me 3500.00 per plant they killed in evidence since they the government sets the prices of pot when they bust you, so we asked for and got the value they had assigned to it.

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Nice job on your case

Thanks for the .

Yah my lawyer did his job. I had to take the time. They wanted to jail my wife . I didn't mention that they arrested my wife and my little brother. They wanted to prosecute them and let me go because of my card. So I saidto put it all on me. also they interrogated my wife into saying some stupid shit. hence the spitting in very meal I got a chance to spit in. My dads an X-0C cop so I was their 'trusted" servant. The sheriff Corona got fat booger in his patty melt too. My homie Huero did that one.

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Socks

wow... That makes me dizzy just thinking about it. I think it could really help my planning skills though to get a garden buzzing like that, so I'm planning ahead, staying on schedule.... making a schedule.. ;)

I'm in Toronto, Canada.. My balcony faces west, don't get sun from the east, so I'm pretty positive that limits what I can grow here. Pretty sure I couldn't pull off peppers for example, I hope I'm wrong.. I traded chile seeds with this guy from Sweden once, I have a bunch still, hope they're still good.. Bunch of different exotic varieties. He has a crazy picture archive here:

http://petterssononline.com/habanero...tion=varieties



Anyways I'm going to do a bit of planning and figure out what I want to grow, I guess I'll have to go grab some seedlings from the nursery. I'll post my ideas here, then maybe you can smack me around and get me on track from there. ;)

poto

it's not good to reuse soil... you can pass established fungus and mold on to the next crop...

soil is pretty cheap... easy to just buy new and dump the old stuff... of course if you have a compost pile, you could dump the dirt there...

or use it to fill holes in the yard that your dogs dig... heh

another option I remember reading about is to heat the soil in your oven to sterilize it... never tried that myself tho... I imagine it could get messy if you spill some, lol...

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Socks

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