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Dirty F 02-22-2008 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho (Post 13816086)
Many thanks for nothing, could you put any sense in your words next time?

He will do that when he is sober...so maybe next year.

CarlosTheGaucho 02-22-2008 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 13813164)
Now you're just being ridiculous and dare I say a little childish yourself. Do you honestly think all people that smoke weed, regardless of how much or how often behave exactly the same way? You must have a fairly limited social circle or else it's you that attract losers that would even consider "staring at a coffee machine.".

Your post is about as silly as saying "I seriously hate contact with people on alcohol, there is NO way of peacful interaction, it's only a pathetic display of someone beating their wife and running over children in their car.".

Don't blame me - I am only talking from my personal experience, I knew friends that I grew with, we went to the same school did all that shit tht kids do, then we grew older - they started to smoke weed and you couldn't really talk to them anymore.

They became different.

CarlosTheGaucho 02-22-2008 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by hungry hungry hippy (Post 13813264)
yes, or i wouldn't smoke it. for me it greatly enhances music appreciation and the experience of music. as a result, listening to and producing music while high is damn fun and totally immersing. the same goes for movies, in fact any art. hiking also, it makes the walk through the forest that much better - you take the time to appreciate all that is around you :upsidedow

Well I have to say artists are the only people where I tolerate this, I like too much 60's and 70's music not to feel for it. Ok I can imagine to play a favorite record at home and get high or to have sex while beeing high - anything that's fun, but that's more of a private experience.

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depends what type of parties you go to. i myself go to parties where the focus is music - dance parties, outdoor festivals, clubs, and so on. nothing better then smoking a spliff and dancing for hours.

like WarChild said, it seems you've only met the stereotypical stoner. not everyone crawls inside their head while high.

it's funny franck conveniently disappeared. what's the matter bud, can't find those sources? not making enough pesos from sig views in this thread? how sad :winkwink:
Well it's true that I did attended parties where there is NO WAY to enjoy them while NOT beeing intoxicated.

I assume I am a bit of old school and although I have more than 1900 records at home and regard myself as a made man in music - dance parties seriously kill me.

CarlosTheGaucho 02-22-2008 07:08 AM

Here is an interesting phenomenon:

I seriously thing Marijuana will be a bigger problem than alcohol in the new millenium, and here are my reasons why:

1) it's in vogue - "we don't drink anymore, we take a spliff, we are stoned yuppies, we party and we are not afraid of getting fat because we laugh that all off!"

2) it's popular and accepted - yes it surely is, you can see all those stoned black dudes pseudo pop icons and every single movie for teenagers deals with it and it's FUN

3) it's a community drug - you need to find yourself? have a spliff, don't worry you will be free, it's healthy, it's not addictive, you are not a junkie - that's what they outside try to say to you but we know 1500 reasons why is it good to be high and how totally HARMLESS and this drug is ..

So we are in fact dealing with a brand new phenomenon, which, after I have seen its pathological effects on people I can't really have any respect to anymore - I think is very dangerous.

Either someone wants a half stoned population escaping from stress smoking weed and loosing part of its mental abilities to sell them some green initiatives covered shit or ? give me a hint.

CarlosTheGaucho 02-22-2008 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho (Post 13816218)
Here is an interesting phenomenon:

I seriously thing Marijuana will be a bigger problem than alcohol in the new millenium, and here are my reasons why:

1) it's in vogue - "we don't drink anymore, we take a spliff, we are stoned yuppies, we party and we are not afraid of getting fat because we laugh that all off!"

2) it's popular and accepted - yes it surely is, you can see all those stoned black dudes pseudo pop icons and every single movie for teenagers deals with it and it's FUN

3) it's a community drug - you need to find yourself? have a spliff, don't worry you will be free, it's healthy, it's not addictive, you are not a junkie - that's what they outside try to say to you but we know 1500 reasons why is it good to be high and how totally HARMLESS and this drug is ..

So we are in fact dealing with a brand new phenomenon, which, after I have seen its pathological effects on people I can't really have any respect to anymore - I think is very dangerous.

Either someone wants a half stoned population escaping from stress smoking weed and loosing part of its mental abilities to sell them some green initiatives covered shit or ? give me a hint.

well I would still want to hear someone denying it..

notoldschool 02-22-2008 06:39 PM

Thank GOD for his glorious creation the plant we all marijuana. Its blasphemous to question GOD's miracles.

CarlosTheGaucho 02-22-2008 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by notoldschool (Post 13819148)
Thank GOD for his glorious creation the plant we all marijuana. Its blasphemous to question GOD's miracles.

God already sent us way more effective things to get rid of its opponents like the Spanish inquisition or plague.

Z 02-22-2008 06:48 PM

Weed is not a drug.

CarlosTheGaucho 02-22-2008 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by notoldschool (Post 13819148)
Thank GOD for his glorious creation the plant we all marijuana. Its blasphemous to question GOD's miracles.

and thanks for another idiotic comment, you should really put in more effort guys if you want to defend your miracle drug in front of a sensible audience.

notoldschool 02-22-2008 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho (Post 13819201)
and thanks for another idiotic comment, you should really put in more effort guys if you want to defend your miracle drug in front of a sensible audience.

Is it any more idiotic than believing 1 man put two of every animal on a little wooden boat to save the world from a huge flood?

CarlosTheGaucho 02-22-2008 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by notoldschool (Post 13819238)
Is it any more idiotic than believing 1 man put two of every animal on a little wooden boat to save the world from a huge flood?

It always makes more sense to talk to the point then to showcase a total incabability to communicate.

CarlosTheGaucho 02-24-2008 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho (Post 13816218)
Here is an interesting phenomenon:

I seriously thing Marijuana will be a bigger problem than alcohol in the new millenium, and here are my reasons why:

1) it's in vogue - "we don't drink anymore, we take a spliff, we are stoned yuppies, we party and we are not afraid of getting fat because we laugh that all off!"

2) it's popular and accepted - yes it surely is, you can see all those stoned black dudes pseudo pop icons and every single movie for teenagers deals with it and it's FUN

3) it's a community drug - you need to find yourself? have a spliff, don't worry you will be free, it's healthy, it's not addictive, you are not a junkie - that's what they outside try to say to you but we know 1500 reasons why is it good to be high and how totally HARMLESS and this drug is ..

So we are in fact dealing with a brand new phenomenon, which, after I have seen its pathological effects on people I can't really have any respect to anymore - I think is very dangerous.

Either someone wants a half stoned population escaping from stress smoking weed and loosing part of its mental abilities to sell them some green initiatives covered shit or ? give me a hint.

we'll let's give it one more try to make someone deeply persuade us how good is a weed for us and the whole mankind...

rabbit 02-24-2008 03:53 PM

and pot of course doesnt cause cancer: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080129/..._cannabis_dc_2

CarlosTheGaucho 02-24-2008 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbit (Post 13826475)
and pot of course doesnt cause cancer: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080129/..._cannabis_dc_2

Let's put it here to see the neglection:

HONG KONG (Reuters) - Smoking a joint is equivalent to 20 cigarettes in terms of lung cancer risk, scientists in New Zealand have found, as they warned of an "epidemic" of lung cancers linked to cannabis.
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Studies in the past have demonstrated that cannabis can cause cancer, but few have established a strong link between cannabis use and the actual incidence of lung cancer.

In an article published in the European Respiratory Journal, the scientists said cannabis could be expected to harm the airways more than tobacco as its smoke contained twice the level of carcinogens, such as polyaromatic hydrocarbons, compared with tobacco cigarettes.

The method of smoking also increases the risk, since joints are typically smoked without a proper filter and almost to the very tip, which increases the amount of smoke inhaled. The cannabis smoker inhales more deeply and for longer, facilitating the deposition of carcinogens in the airways.

"Cannabis smokers end up with five times more carbon monoxide in their bloodstream (than tobacco smokers)," team leader Richard Beasley, at the Medical Research Institute of New Zealand, said in a telephone interview.

"There are higher concentrations of carcinogens in cannabis smoke ... what is intriguing to us is there is so little work done on cannabis when there is so much done on tobacco."

The researchers interviewed 79 lung cancer patients and sought to identify the main risk factors for the disease, such as smoking, family history and occupation. The patients were questioned about alcohol and cannabis consumption.

In this high-exposure group, lung cancer risk rose by 5.7 times for patients who smoked more than a joint a day for 10 years, or two joints a day for 5 years, after adjusting for other variables, including cigarette smoking.

"While our study covers a relatively small group, it shows clearly that long-term cannabis smoking increases lung cancer risk," wrote Beaseley.

"Cannabis use could already be responsible for one in 20 lung cancers diagnosed in New Zealand," he added.

"In the near future we may see an 'epidemic' of lung cancers connected with this new carcinogen. And the future risk probably applies to many other countries, where increasing use of cannabis among young adults and adolescents is becoming a major public health problem."

(Reporting by Tan Ee Lyn; Editing by Alex Richardson)

CarlosTheGaucho 02-24-2008 05:58 PM

where are you my weed lovers?

notoldschool 02-24-2008 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbit (Post 13826475)
and pot of course doesnt cause cancer: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080129/..._cannabis_dc_2

I can find 10 way more credible scientific studies that says it doesnt. Keep drinking your poison and dont get pissed that our own goverment shows that Alchohol kills a millions more Americans that pot ever will. Now grab the six pack and enjoy your liver disease.

D 02-24-2008 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho (Post 13826375)
we'll let's give it one more try to make someone deeply persuade us how good is a weed for us and the whole mankind...

I'm not entirely sure what you were saying in that first post... in fact, if it wasn't for you calling marijuana a "problem," or "dangerous" I wouldn't know what side of the issue you'd stand on...

You're seeming to talk about it being 'en vouge'... and I don't think most - on either side of the "pot: legalize, or don't?" argument - would argue that point with you.

I think the question is: Why do we make it illegal for those that need it?

Why do we, as a nation, disallow use of it as a viable medicine - even for those that _really_ need it...

And then - why does our _federal government_ make it illegal when there's absolutely no CONSTITUTIONAL basis - in the eyes of a reasonable man - for our Federal government to do so?

In fact, I'll make my point this way: show me where, in the U.S. Constitution - as read by the average reasonable man - it gives our Federal Government the power to make pot illegal (for the sake of argument: in the case of someone growing it on their own property for distribution (whether they charge or not) to their neighbor as an end-user), and and I'll give you $100.

mrkrabs 02-25-2008 03:38 AM

nope it isn't

CarlosTheGaucho 02-25-2008 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by notoldschool (Post 13827373)
I can find 10 way more credible scientific studies that says it doesnt. Keep drinking your poison and dont get pissed that our own goverment shows that Alchohol kills a millions more Americans that pot ever will. Now grab the six pack and enjoy your liver disease.

Well I am sure you would do, but why?

If I want to waste my liver at least I don't need to annoy everyone about how great it is and will most likely be still able to tie up my shoes within a couple of years to come..

CarlosTheGaucho 02-25-2008 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by D (Post 13827884)
I think the question is: Why do we make it illegal for those that need it?

Why do we, as a nation, disallow use of it as a viable medicine - even for those that _really_ need it...

And then - why does our _federal government_ make it illegal when there's absolutely no CONSTITUTIONAL basis - in the eyes of a reasonable man - for our Federal government to do so?

In fact, I'll make my point this way: show me where, in the U.S. Constitution - as read by the average reasonable man - it gives our Federal Government the power to make pot illegal (for the sake of argument: in the case of someone growing it on their own property for distribution (whether they charge or not) to their neighbor as an end-user), and and I'll give you $100.

You know that you got me here?

I was, up until this moment, totally concerned, that you can get weed in the States in the pharmacy if you have a doctor's prescription - as in the most of the world. Like for the geronts that have Alzheimer or Parkinson or whatever.

As I mentioned I don't care if that's legal or illegal, healthy or unhealthy.

The only point of mine is : drugs are very exciting but dangerous thing and it takes an intense self control to keep the true balance between the fun and trouble.

But they will always be around, mankind needs its opium, anyone denying it would be insane.

The problem I have is, as far as it's tough banned to advertise cigarettes or alcohol, if someone smokes cigarettes or drinks it's a big deal and many yuppies almost don't even talk to you anymore.

But - now there is an alternative, tolerated, accepted, even promoted in mass media, with 2000 + reasons to abuse the shit beeing confirmed by almost EVERY single consumer I know.

Although, and it's again ONLY my personal experience - it's ALSO NOT OK to smoke this because it can as well seriously wash your brains out.

That's my point.

rabbit 02-25-2008 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by notoldschool (Post 13827373)
I can find 10 way more credible scientific studies that says it doesnt. Keep drinking your poison and dont get pissed that our own goverment shows that Alchohol kills a millions more Americans that pot ever will. Now grab the six pack and enjoy your liver disease.

i dont drink btw

notoldschool 02-25-2008 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbit (Post 13832640)
i dont drink btw

Ok, grab your soda and get your sugar fix, which rots your insides worse than marijuana. Or maybe grab your coffee and get your caffience fix which when abused is a very bad for your. You get my point.

CarlosTheGaucho 02-26-2008 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by notoldschool (Post 13832738)
Ok, grab your soda and get your sugar fix, which rots your insides worse than marijuana. Or maybe grab your coffee and get your caffience fix which when abused is a very bad for your. You get my point.

Well I only hope you are a straight edge guy who never touched marijuana, sugar or alcohol.

I have met a couple of abstinents that were not that ok and that would actually fit into the virtual impotence / hater category.

Ace of Babes 02-26-2008 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by notoldschool (Post 13805006)

please explain to me why we pay massive amounts of money to fight a losing battle against a plant from the earth and not a horrific drug like alcohol. Im baffled.

Marijuana can heal the lungs from tabaco damage (in pure form), but it will harm you if you never smoked (in sense, its not better to smoke then not to smoke).

Dirty F 02-26-2008 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by notoldschool (Post 13832738)
blah blah

You're truly the biggest fucking ignorant dumb retard kid piece of shit on this board.

Someone should bitchslap the stupidity out of you.

Oh you know whats so ironic, its most likely the drugs you smoke which made you this totally fucking dumb and braindead.

Fucking junkie piece of shit.

G.A.F 02-26-2008 09:25 AM

Once upon a time alcohol was forbidden and now is "legal". May be in a few years, marijuana would be legal too. If it gives more profits being legal, be sure politics will legalize it. :pimp


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