Pr0, Dirty Danza and other gun loving retards, i have a question - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

spunkmaster · 02-14-2008, 02:34 PM

You need to relearn our history.

Guns are for "self protection" from the gov't not crack heads !

DaddyHalbucks · 02-14-2008, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

Please try to answer it in 1 sentence and please stay on topic. Don't come with the usual guns don't kill people, swimming pools can kill people as well and all the other dumb ass excuses gun owners have. I have a very simple question for you 2 specific but all other gun nuts feel free to answer it as well.

For you idiots your number 1 reason to own a gun is "self protection".

Now as studies showed and anybody with a iq above 80 can realize is that having a gun in your house is more likely to cause harm to you or your family than that you will ever need to do defend yourself...but ok, thats an old topic and you will simply ignore it. The other excuse is if you take away the guns through law then only the bad guys will have the guns. Yup, thats totally correct. Now finally my question and please please please just try to answer this without all the bs you guys normally come up with:

What is more dangerous? A country with lets say 50 million people where only a part of the criminals have guns (so in reality thats s pretty damn low number. That low that the chances of you running into one ever is almost 0) or where 50% the population has a gun for self defense (25 million people owning a gun so basically everywhere you are there are also people with guns).

So once again the question is not can swimmingpools kill people too but: whats more safe - a few criminals having a gun or half the country.

Thanks.

I'm pleased to answer this. In the USA, we have the 2nd Amendment. It allows people to own guns.

Why?

In one sentence:

Criminals will own guns regardless, so the only question seems to be: should law abiding citizens ALSO own them?

BradM · 02-14-2008, 02:35 PM

franck clearly isn't reading replies, if he was im sure he would have addressed some good points made in here. im out.

Rhesus · 02-14-2008, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BradM

Why does everyone just say "idiot" when they don't agree with a POV? Stop that, idiots.

Yeah, I do have to admit I got a bit carried away. But seriously, what other word can describe someone like DirtyDanza?

OK, I'm out of here now.

ADL Colin · 02-14-2008, 02:38 PM

TheDoc · 02-14-2008, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Evil Chris

I don't feel like getting into this, but suffice to say that our southern neighbours love their guns and own "cuz they can" which to me isn't wise.

To err is human. But by doing so with a gun in your house might be fatal for your 4 year old.

Per capita, Canada has as many guns as America.

While growing up my parents, family, and friends all have guns.. I grew up in Texas, we never had a single safty issue with guns.

Your kid could die from sticking a key into a socket, which far more likely to happen than an accident with a gun.

baddog · 02-14-2008, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhesus

No, there's nothing positive about having a gun.

Sure makes hunting easier.

Shok · 02-14-2008, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Evil Chris

This argument could go on all night.

Personally I don't like guns. I can leave my front door unlocked on my street without worry. The gun attitude up here is different than in the US. Bowling for Columbine might have been a lot of tongue-in-cheek, but a lot of it was right on the mark too.

I never lock my house or car in the driveway.
Never had any crime in my area.

And I live 15 miles from downtown Dallas

Of course on my way into work traffic is backed up because of all the dead bodies in the road from the 24hr shootouts going on.........

SykkBoy · 02-14-2008, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhesus

I'm seriously have a smile from ear to ear on my face, this is too ridiculous. Invasion, hahahahaha

I wouldn't expect you to understand. I'm not saying guns are for invasion protection, BUT, remember how this country was founded. Remember what we had to do to get it...kill a lot of europeans ;-)

Funny enough about the whole guns argument...I grew up in Wyoming. Everyone had a gun and knew how to use one. You know what the crime rates were? How about the number of gun-related deaths? Percentage-wise less than places with stricter gun laws and less available guns. We were able to have guns in gun racks and even on our sides as long as they weren't hidden. The fact that gun owners in that area were *educated* was also the key. I can't think of a single friend of the family that owned a gun and didn't have at least a locking gun cabinet. Hmm, odd, a town with actually more guns than people and no instances of children shooting themselves or each other...

I also hate how anti-gun people love to say "ok, but let's count out swimming pools and cars and stuff because they don't count" But why not? Aren't they the same thing? Something that can lead to death if not used properly? You just want to bias your argument. You also forget, we already have tons of gun laws on the books. Adding more won't do anything if they don't enforce the ones that already exist.

buzzy · 02-14-2008, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

Half the country.

there I answered in 1 sentenance or do I need to explain to a fucking retard like you...

here I will explain this in one simple question to you...

you know I own many many guns and I would love to have a chance to show my perfect aim right between the eyes of a bad guy... you know this for a fact... in fact

get fuzebox in here he can vouch he stayed with me I NEVER leave home with out my gun NEVER.. so now I ask you my friend since you think were all so stupid...

Would you approach me and try to take something from me yourself knowing I carry a gun at all times and know how to use it faster and better than 99% of gun owners?

your answer to that question will answer your question on what's safer...

you keep saying all these studies but you have yet to put up one link showing your "studies" listen franck we understand you live in a pussy country and are a pussy yourself.. but please let us "gun lovers" as you so call us when really were just americans... and you always say red neck this and red neck that... well my little ant IQ friend just because you own a gun does not make you a red neck...

ever hear the expression never take a knife to a gun fight?

heres my motto.. I'll take my gun to any fight then I have the same advantage as the bad guy does...

now no where in here did I sit and debate what was safer I just answered your question... now I have no time but someone google the crime rate of the town in georgia that you MUST own a gun to live in this little town and see how low it is....

I feel alot safer in my country knowing that people like you do not own guns.

SykkBoy · 02-14-2008, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Evil Chris

To err is human. But by doing so with a gun in your house might be fatal for your 4 year old.

So would not locking your kitchen cabinet that might contain poison
So would leaving your child unattended in a swimming pool
So would leaving your kid in a running car while running into the store to get smokes

Chris, next time you're in vegas, let's go shoot some high powered rifles at one of the indoor gun ranges here....soon you'll be wanting one too ;-)

TheDoc · 02-14-2008, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Evil Chris

Personally I don't like guns. I can leave my front door unlocked on my street without worry. The gun attitude up here is different than in the US. Bowling for Columbine might have been a lot of tongue-in-cheek, but a lot of it was right on the mark too.

As you know I lived in Canada for 2 years.. I'm American.

My truck, locked and armed was stolen out of my drive way in Canada after being in Canada for only 1 week. I then found out that Canada has one of the highest vehicle theft rates in the world.

My basement windows were broken out, more than once tried to break in to steal my computers. I also had someone walk straight into my house without knocking. And I had a neighbor try to get violent with me when he thought I broke into his motor home.

Now in Texas, I lived in a crap house in a crap city. Not once did someone screw with my cars or try to break in. Why? Well, because in Texas it's safe to assume everyone has a gun. Oh and I can shoot you dead on the spot, it really puts a dent into crime.

Bryan G · 02-14-2008, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

Half the country.

there I answered in 1 sentenance or do I need to explain to a fucking retard like you...

here I will explain this in one simple question to you...

you know I own many many guns and I would love to have a chance to show my perfect aim right between the eyes of a bad guy... you know this for a fact... in fact

get fuzebox in here he can vouch he stayed with me I NEVER leave home with out my gun NEVER.. so now I ask you my friend since you think were all so stupid...

Would you approach me and try to take something from me yourself knowing I carry a gun at all times and know how to use it faster and better than 99% of gun owners?

your answer to that question will answer your question on what's safer...

you keep saying all these studies but you have yet to put up one link showing your "studies" listen franck we understand you live in a pussy country and are a pussy yourself.. but please let us "gun lovers" as you so call us when really were just americans... and you always say red neck this and red neck that... well my little ant IQ friend just because you own a gun does not make you a red neck...

ever hear the expression never take a knife to a gun fight?

heres my motto.. I'll take my gun to any fight then I have the same advantage as the bad guy does...

now no where in here did I sit and debate what was safer I just answered your question... now I have no time but someone google the crime rate of the town in georgia that you MUST own a gun to live in this little town and see how low it is....

WOW, just wow.

It's quite funny you are calling people pussy's but you are the one always carrying a gun no matter where you go.

polish_aristocrat · 02-14-2008, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Shok

I never lock my house or car in the driveway.
Never had any crime in my area.

And I live 15 miles from downtown Dallas

Of course on my way into work traffic is backed up because of all the dead bodies in the road from the 24hr shootouts going on.........

I'm not sure on the laws... but let's say someone enters your driveway and wants to get into your car?

Can you just shoot on him? Serious question.

And if you can, would you do it?

baddog · 02-14-2008, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Shok

Of course on my way into work traffic is backed up because of all the dead bodies in the road from the 24hr shootouts going on.........

LA traffic is notorious due to all the crime scene tape wrapped around the 110.

theking · 02-14-2008, 02:57 PM

I own guns and know how to use them and have used guns to kill people and would do so again under circumstances that I deem to be proper. I am not concerned with the question of safe or less safe. The only safety that I am concerned with is my own or those that I care about. I also target shoot and used to hunt game. I like the fact that Americans are allowed to own guns.

Nancy boys...like the originator of this thread...of course do not like guns...most girly boys do not.

Scootermuze · 02-14-2008, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

Its not one sided, its exactly what it is. Pro gun people simply say one should have a gun for protection to make things safer. So im asking you does this make things safer. The fact that were at post 30 now and everyone is avoiding the question says enough...

Generally, national average statistics show that the more ?Right to Carry? laws that are put into effect, the less crime tends to occurs. Since 1991, the nation?s violent crime rate has decreased every year and is currently at a 30-year low. This drop has occurred as 21 states have adopted ?Right to Carry? laws and the total number of firearms in the United States has risen by more than 60 million.

On average, states with expanded ?Right to Carry? laws have 21% lower total violent crime rates, 28% lower murder rates, 43% lower robbery rates and 13% rates for lower aggravated assault. In fact, 9 of the 10 states with the lowest violent crime and murder rates have ?Right to Carry? laws in place.

Why does crime decrease in these situations? Criminals prefer not robbing or assaulting those who might have the means to protect themselves. In ?Right to Carry? states, the criminals don?t know who is carrying a concealed weapon and who isn?t!

Ref

Do with it as you will..

Shok · 02-14-2008, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

I'm not sure on the laws... but let's say someone enters your driveway and wants to get into your car?

Can you just shoot on him? Serious question.

And if you can, would you do it?

Actually in Texas I believe you can shoot if they are on your property, but I also think you have to prove that your safety was in jeopardy.

I would not shoot someone who was not posing a threat to me or my family.
Just stealing my car, no I would not kill them, thats what insurance is for.

If he waved a gun, then he better be loaded for bear because all bets are off.

Bryan G · 02-14-2008, 03:18 PM

Once again

http://www.cnn.com/

Shok · 02-14-2008, 03:22 PM

Oh and btw, I was in Ireland last year.
Not Northern, but the nice quaint southwestern area around Shannon and Limerick.
And there were 2 shootings in 3 days with 4 people dead.

So there ya go

SykkBoy · 02-14-2008, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Shok

Oh and btw, I was in Ireland last year.
Not Northern, but the nice quaint southwestern area around Shannon and Limerick.
And there were 2 shootings in 3 days with 4 people dead.

So there ya go

hmm, what a coincidence...you visit and the crime rate sky rockets ;-)

Fluid · 02-14-2008, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhesus

No, there's nothing positive about having a gun. There's no such thing as a balance in this discussion, you must be a complete fool to think so.

hmm..no positives?
Ever try to hunt a moose with a spoon? Evidently you didn't think things out before you typed huh?

I own guns, I hunt. They're not for protection (no one that knows me would attempt to harm me or enter my house without permission, I have dogs that handle that). My guns are for one purpose only, killing large tasty meat bearing animals.

Now here's a little lesson for the guys out there that would feel safer if guns didn't exist.

1. To own a gun, here you have to pass a criminal background check, apply for a course, take a course which you have to pass with a high mark, apply for the permit to own one, go through a background check (that includes calling your ex girlfriends et et) and then receive your permit in the mail. This process can take over 5 months with no criminal background and no history of fights et. et.

2. To legally store or transport a gun, it must be...
Locked
Trigger locked
Stored separate from ammunition
Not visible
Have it's "action" disabled or locked

3. Most gun related deaths (at least in canada) are from weapons that are smuggled into the country from the USA. Many have never been registered.

Interesting in a country with as many guns as we have, less than 10% of all gun crime is committed with a registered gun, to listen to the anti-gun groups you'd think all these weapon owning people are timebombs waiting to go off.

Unfortunately, the facts don't seem to fit their arguments.

papill0n · 02-14-2008, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

I own guns and know how to use them and have used guns to kill people and would do so again under circumstances that I deem to be proper. I am not concerned with the question of safe or less safe. The only safety that I am concerned with is my own or those that I care about. I also target shoot and used to hunt game. I like the fact that Americans are allowed to own guns.

Nancy boys...like the originator of this thread...of course do not like guns...most girly boys do not.

The fact you need a gun tells me you are a nancy boy. Killing things for fun is about as backward as you can get. Take a look a CNN and remind how your moronic gun culture is working for you.

DirtyDanza · 02-14-2008, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

So 25 million LUNATICS like you walking around with guns is in general more safe than a few criminals with a gun

Holy fucking shit

You are completely nuts. Totally completely nuts

You are the perfect example why guns shouldnt be legal. People like you should be kept away from guns are far as fucking possible.

Its insane to realize that someone like you gun just go to a store and buy a gun. Crazy, just crazy.

ill show you what a lunatic is when i meet you girlie boy... with NO GUNS.. just my big cock down your nancy boy throat like you want.....

and YES 25 Mil of ME walking around.. someone who is trained in how to use a firearm would be a great thing if you ask me...

theking · 02-14-2008, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RageCash-Ben

The fact you need a gun tells me you are a nancy boy. Killing things for fun is about as backward as you can get. Take a look a CNN and remind how your moronic gun culture is working for you.

Show me anywhere at any time that I said I need a gun. In addition show me anywhere at any time that I said I have ever killed a human or any other animal for fun.

Shok · 02-14-2008, 03:38 PM

I shot 2 people at lunch today and I feel fucking fantastic

»Rob Content« · 02-14-2008, 03:43 PM

Someone compared the Swiss and the USA about the number of guns in houses and etc.

How many Swiss kids shoot their sister in the face over a bag of chips.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/cri...hild.shot.wbtw

ProjectNaked · 02-14-2008, 03:44 PM

gun crimes are commited by criminals using stolen or unregistered guns. Please research the 20 million dollars wasted by NYC on their balistic fingerprinting process which has turned up 0 arrests. I have a ccw permit and carry everywhere I can. Idiots looking to rob people think twice before doing it where anyone can legally carry a gun.

Shok · 02-14-2008, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by VG.Content

Someone compared the Swiss and the USA about the number of guns in houses and etc.

How many Swiss kids shoot their sister in the face over a bag of chips.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/cri...hild.shot.wbtw

the swiss obviously dont have cheetos

Fluid · 02-14-2008, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

So 25 million LUNATICS like you walking around with guns is in general more safe than a few criminals with a gun

Holy fucking shit

You are completely nuts. Totally completely nuts

You are the perfect example why guns shouldnt be legal. People like you should be kept away from guns are far as fucking possible.

Its insane to realize that someone like you gun just go to a store and buy a gun. Crazy, just crazy.

Frank, I've always suspected you were a little light in the head. And you're really doing a good job to convince me of the fact with statements like this.

Lets think this through. You're a criminal with a gun. You want someone's wallet, and want to use the gun to get it. Now, where would you rather ply your trade, in a place where 1 of every 2 people carry a weapon that could be pulled out and pointed at you, or somewhere you're assured no one will have a gun? So who's safer? A victim with the odds in their favor, or one that faces a robber that knows they can't defend themselves?

Regardless of your half thought out opinions, facts prove this correct time and time again. Stolen and otherwise illegal weapons kill vastly more people then legally registered weapons do.

Dirty F · 02-14-2008, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Fluid

Frank, I've always suspected you were a little light in the head. And you're really doing a good job to convince me of the fact with statements like this.

Lets think this through. You're a criminal with a gun. You want someone's wallet, and want to use the gun to get it. Now, where would you rather ply your trade, in a place where 1 of every 2 people carry a weapon that could be pulled out and pointed at you, or somewhere you're assured no one will have a gun? So who's safer? A victim with the odds in their favor, or one that faces a robber that knows they can't defend themselves?

Regardless of your half thought out opinions, facts prove this correct time and time again. Stolen and otherwise illegal weapons kill vastly more people then legally registered weapons do.

So basically you are saying a relatively safe country like Holland where only criminals have guns would be even safer if half the population would get a gun?

Interesting

Yeah keep on calling me light headed

This thread is fun.

Dirty F · 02-14-2008, 04:16 PM

So you idiots who actually believe that think its more safe because a robber will think twice but 25 million people having a gun of which tons of lunatics like Dirty Danza who can snap any moment because you spilled your beer on them is no problem...because the one robber you might meet in your life will think twice...

Fucking imbecile country with imbecile people...unbefuckinglievable.

VicD · 02-14-2008, 04:22 PM

It's not the gun but the man behind it..true but a country with lots of guns is ofcourse less safe then a country without them...here's your answer

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 02-14-2008, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SykkBoy2

A gun safety educated half of the country is more safe

Exactly. Anyone who sits around saying that it's a danger to your family to have a gun in the house has little or no firearms education whatsoever, and are themselves the type of people who are dangerous to be left with a firearm. I shot my first gun when I was 4 and I've been shooting ever since, I was raised with a proper knowledge of firearms and what makes a responsible owner. some dumb cunt leaving a loaded glock in the drawer next to their bed IS NOT a responsible gun owner. That being said, a gun as a method of self defense isn't a smooth idea, there's better ways to protect your home. Like a good dog and proper security system.

Why do I have guns? TO KILL SHIT. End of story...

D · 02-14-2008, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

So basically you are saying a relatively safe country like Holland where only criminals have guns would be even safer if half the population would get a gun?

Interesting

Yeah keep on calling me light headed

This thread is fun.

That's not what he said at all.

And he's probably calling you light headed because, well... you certainly seem it.

Americans have a right to own guns so that we never have to worry about our country becoming a fascism, despotism, or tyranny. It's that simple. The citizens have guns, the citizens have ultimate authority. Whoever has lethal force has ultimate authority... and in a Republic, it's the citizen.

You think the Nazi's would have taken over the U.S. as easily as they rolled over continental Europe?

Do you think that anyone in the U.S. is seriously worried about a leader like Bush ever using the Military to overthrow constitutional government and serve as our Emperor for life?

Do you think anyone in the U.S. thinks that either could ever happen at any point in the next thousand years?

The answer - even to those that are able to put aside our fears for the moment and look at the past and into the future with open eyes - is no. And that reason is both because of the Second Amendment, and the entire reason that the right to bear arms is such a part of American culture.

So... on a long-term scale - which is more dangerous? A nation where the citizens have ultimate authority and can, if only symbolically, overthrow their government... or a nation of sheep - powerless in the wake of any government that claims jurisdiction over them?

You live in Holland, right? Why not go up to anyone over 75, and ask them what they think.

CDSmith · 02-14-2008, 04:37 PM

Fact: Franck is incapable of having a serious debate without tossing a namecalling hissy fit.

I'm not sure why.

As for the guns, this argument is pounded to death on here every six months or so, and after all the bitching is done I'm always left with the same thought.... that I am glad that I as a law-abiding citizen do have the right to own one.

The other fact that hovers over this thread is that no amount of "what if's" and "you're all fucking idiots" comments will change the situation in the US.

Threads like this are just so much empty arguing.

CDSmith · 02-14-2008, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by D

That's not what he said at all.

And he's probably calling you light headed because, well... you certainly seem it.

Americans have a right to own guns so that we never have to worry about our country becoming a fascism, despotism, or tyranny. It's that simple. The citizens have guns, the citizens have ultimate authority. Whoever has lethal force has ultimate authority... and in a Republic, it's the citizen.

You think the Nazi's would have taken over the U.S. as easily as they rolled over continental Europe?

Do you think that anyone in the U.S. is seriously worried about a leader like Bush ever using the Military to overthrow constitutional government and serve as our Emperor for life?

Do you think anyone in the U.S. thinks that either could ever happen at any point in the next thousand years?

The answer - even to those that are able to put aside our fears for the moment and look at the past and into the future with open eyes - is no. And that reason is both because of the Second Amendment, and the entire reason that the right to bear arms is such a part of American culture.

So... on a long-term scale - which is more dangerous? A nation where the citizens have ultimate authority and can, if only symbolically, overthrow their government... or a nation of sheep - powerless in the wake of any government that claims jurisdiction over them?

You live in Holland, right? Why not go up to anyone over 75, and ask them what they think.

There are a few other good posts in this thread,

this one is one of if not the best so far, in my opinion.

ProjectNaked · 02-14-2008, 04:40 PM

HI FRANK...I'M HERE!!!!

want to see my guns???

Dirty F · 02-14-2008, 04:43 PM

You know whats seriously funny that America is THE country in the western world with a massive gun problem. And its also the only country in the western world where the people say guns make things safer

Oh the irony.

scardog · 02-14-2008, 04:50 PM

I think Frank brings up a good question. Is it safer to own a gun than not to own a gun? The statistics that show that if you own a gun you are more likely to shoot someone you know than to prevent an attack. The group in gang shootings since they consider that shooting someone you know, so it seems like you are accidentally shooting your kids instead of someone trying to kill you. Accidents happen. People do accidentally shoot people they know. They also accidentally kill people with their auto that they don't know. Our second Amendment in this country is to empower the people. It is not for hunting. I enjoy owning my gun. Will it save my life against a murderous intruder or attacker? Not sure. But I do like to give myself a sporting chance and not have my safety and families safety left to the whims of armed criminals. I like having the right to own. If I believe like Frank does, I can choose not to carry. I wouldn't want to force him to arm himself, and I wouldn't want anyone to force me to disarm.

Rhesus · 02-14-2008, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by D

That's not what he said at all.

And he's probably calling you light headed because, well... you certainly seem it.

Americans have a right to own guns so that we never have to worry about our country becoming a fascism, despotism, or tyranny. It's that simple. The citizens have guns, the citizens have ultimate authority. Whoever has lethal force has ultimate authority... and in a Republic, it's the citizen.

You think the Nazi's would have taken over the U.S. as easily as they rolled over continental Europe?

Do you think that anyone in the U.S. is seriously worried about a leader like Bush ever using the Military to overthrow constitutional government and serve as our Emperor for life?

Do you think anyone in the U.S. thinks that either could ever happen at any point in the next thousand years?

The answer - even to those that are able to put aside our fears for the moment and look at the past and into the future with open eyes - is no. And that reason is both because of the Second Amendment, and the entire reason that the right to bear arms is such a part of American culture.

So... on a long-term scale - which is more dangerous? A nation where the citizens have ultimate authority and can, if only symbolically, overthrow their government... or a nation of sheep - powerless in the wake of any government that claims jurisdiction over them?

You live in Holland, right? Why not go up to anyone over 75, and ask them what they think.

Such arguments only hold true in primal societies (such as, according to your chatter, the US) or deep down in tribal Africa. Man, learn to think about the American box some time...

"Americans have a right to own guns so that we never have to worry about our country becoming a fascism, despotism, or tyranny. It's that simple. "

You may want to consider that on the world stage, a considerable share of the world's people think of America the ultimate tyrant.

pr0 · 02-14-2008, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Shok

the swiss obviously dont have cheetos

Rhesus · 02-14-2008, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by scardog

I think Frank brings up a good question. Is it safer to own a gun than not to own a gun? The statistics that show that if you own a gun you are more likely to shoot someone you know than to prevent an attack. The group in gang shootings since they consider that shooting someone you know, so it seems like you are accidentally shooting your kids instead of someone trying to kill you. Accidents happen. People do accidentally shoot people they know. They also accidentally kill people with their auto that they don't know. Our second Amendment in this country is to empower the people. It is not for hunting. I enjoy owning my gun. Will it save my life against a murderous intruder or attacker? Not sure. But I do like to give myself a sporting chance and not have my safety and families safety left to the whims of armed criminals. I like having the right to own. If I believe like Frank does, I can choose not to carry. I wouldn't want to force him to arm himself, and I wouldn't want anyone to force me to disarm.

Look, the reason that you feel the need to carry a gun to protect yourself and your loved ones is that (other than some deeply rooted Americanism) others do, and that somehow guns are widely available to criminals.

In the Netherlands, as Franck said a relatively safe country, most people won't ever see a gun in their whole life. I don't think it occurs to anyone other than a handful of untrustworthy figures that they would need a gun to protect themselves, or even that they need to protect themselves from something at all...

buzzy · 02-14-2008, 05:08 PM

I think Americans are stuck in the revolution mindset from hundreds of years ago, alot of them are backwards thinking people...someone said you need guns to protect you from the goverment, well fuck me if you havent stormed the white house and planted bush yet then that excuse is down the drain already. and to protect you from invasion? LOL, thats what your military is for.........

V_RocKs · 02-14-2008, 05:10 PM

People use cars to kill people... it is not the gun.

CDSmith · 02-14-2008, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by scardog

I think Frank brings up a good question. Is it safer to own a gun than not to own a gun? The statistics that show that if you own a gun you are more likely to shoot someone you know than to prevent an attack. The group in gang shootings since they consider that shooting someone you know, so it seems like you are accidentally shooting your kids instead of someone trying to kill you. Accidents happen. People do accidentally shoot people they know. They also accidentally kill people with their auto that they don't know. Our second Amendment in this country is to empower the people. It is not for hunting. I enjoy owning my gun. Will it save my life against a murderous intruder or attacker? Not sure. But I do like to give myself a sporting chance and not have my safety and families safety left to the whims of armed criminals. I like having the right to own. If I believe like Frank does, I can choose not to carry. I wouldn't want to force him to arm himself, and I wouldn't want anyone to force me to disarm.

Another enjoyable read.

D · 02-14-2008, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

There are a few other good posts in this thread,

this one is one of if not the best so far, in my opinion.

/tiphat

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Originally Posted by Rhesus

Such arguments only hold true in primal societies

If you think we've moved beyond being a "primal" species, I think you're fooling yourself.

Was Nazi Germany a primal society? What about Bolshevik Russia? How about Modern-Day China?

'The first step to enslaving a man is disarming him.' I think Machiavelli said something like that... and while most might agree he was a bit of an ass, I think everyone can agree he epitomized the being a logical pragmatist.

DirtyDanza · 02-14-2008, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

So you idiots who actually believe that think its more safe because a robber will think twice but 25 million people having a gun of which tons of lunatics like Dirty Danza who can snap any moment because you spilled your beer on them is no problem...because the one robber you might meet in your life will think twice...

Fucking imbecile country with imbecile people...unbefuckinglievable.

im going to warn you 1 time to stop calling me a lunatic you have no proof of it number 1 number 2 you are defaming my name.. I do that enough by myself so I suggest if you want to keep your little board games going you stop...

understood little boy?

buzzy · 02-14-2008, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

im going to warn you 1 time to stop calling me a lunatic you have no proof of it number 1 number 2 you are defaming my name.. I do that enough by myself so I suggest if you want to keep your little board games going you stop...

understood little boy?

you are a fucking lunatic.

pr0 · 02-14-2008, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by buzzy

I think Americans are stuck in the revolution mindset from hundreds of years ago, alot of them are backwards thinking people...someone said you need guns to protect you from the goverment, well fuck me if you havent stormed the white house and planted bush yet then that excuse is down the drain already. and to protect you from invasion? LOL, thats what your military is for.........

I wonder if thats why the germans agreed to give up their guns. Right before their own government sent the SS around to round up jews.

No government should be left unchecked. Generals carry serious influence over soldiers & their families. And generals are influenced directly by high ups in the govt.

Thus the only people left uncontrolled by the govt are general population. General population keeping guns, keeps the govt in check...period.

02-14-2008, 02:34 PM	#51
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02-14-2008, 02:57 PM	#66
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02-14-2008, 03:43 PM	#77
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02-14-2008, 02:35 PM	#53
BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	franck clearly isn't reading replies, if he was im sure he would have addressed some good points made in here. im out.

02-14-2008, 03:22 PM	#70
Shok Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: LIVE EVIL Posts: 5,611	Oh and btw, I was in Ireland last year. Not Northern, but the nice quaint southwestern area around Shannon and Limerick. And there were 2 shootings in 3 days with 4 people dead. So there ya go

02-14-2008, 03:38 PM	#76
Shok Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: LIVE EVIL Posts: 5,611	I shot 2 people at lunch today and I feel fucking fantastic

02-14-2008, 03:44 PM	#78
ProjectNaked Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Detroit Areola Posts: 4,309	gun crimes are commited by criminals using stolen or unregistered guns. Please research the 20 million dollars wasted by NYC on their balistic fingerprinting process which has turned up 0 arrests. I have a ccw permit and carry everywhere I can. Idiots looking to rob people think twice before doing it where anyone can legally carry a gun.

02-14-2008, 04:16 PM	#82
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	So you idiots who actually believe that think its more safe because a robber will think twice but 25 million people having a gun of which tons of lunatics like Dirty Danza who can snap any moment because you spilled your beer on them is no problem...because the one robber you might meet in your life will think twice... Fucking imbecile country with imbecile people...unbefuckinglievable.

02-14-2008, 04:22 PM	#83
VicD ICQ: 304-611-162 Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Masterdam Posts: 13,245	It's not the gun but the man behind it..true but a country with lots of guns is ofcourse less safe then a country without them...here's your answer

02-14-2008, 04:37 PM	#86
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02-14-2008, 04:40 PM	#88
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02-14-2008, 04:43 PM	#89
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	You know whats seriously funny that America is THE country in the western world with a massive gun problem. And its also the only country in the western world where the people say guns make things safer Oh the irony.

02-14-2008, 04:50 PM	#90
scardog Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 886	I think Frank brings up a good question. Is it safer to own a gun than not to own a gun? The statistics that show that if you own a gun you are more likely to shoot someone you know than to prevent an attack. The group in gang shootings since they consider that shooting someone you know, so it seems like you are accidentally shooting your kids instead of someone trying to kill you. Accidents happen. People do accidentally shoot people they know. They also accidentally kill people with their auto that they don't know. Our second Amendment in this country is to empower the people. It is not for hunting. I enjoy owning my gun. Will it save my life against a murderous intruder or attacker? Not sure. But I do like to give myself a sporting chance and not have my safety and families safety left to the whims of armed criminals. I like having the right to own. If I believe like Frank does, I can choose not to carry. I wouldn't want to force him to arm himself, and I wouldn't want anyone to force me to disarm.

02-14-2008, 05:08 PM	#94
buzzy Confirmed User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,606	I think Americans are stuck in the revolution mindset from hundreds of years ago, alot of them are backwards thinking people...someone said you need guns to protect you from the goverment, well fuck me if you havent stormed the white house and planted bush yet then that excuse is down the drain already. and to protect you from invasion? LOL, thats what your military is for.........

02-14-2008, 05:10 PM	#95
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,432	People use cars to kill people... it is not the gun.