kamasutrababe

Google, YouTube and the other tube sites claim immunity to copyright infringement lawsuits because their content posting services are "automatic" and "passive", without editing or filtering out content unless they receive takedown notices after the content is posted. But if a tube site is "actively" filtering out content for one of their sponsors, then they are no longer protected as an "Internet service provider" under DMCA and therefore subject to prosecution for copyright infringement just like anyone else who hosts pirated content on their web servers. If Google and YouTube really wanted to remove copyrighted content, all they would have to do is hire one full-time person to search everyday and remove obvious pirated content (new or recent Hollywood movies, TV shows, etc). But they don't because they would then no longer be protected by DMCA. Maybe a lawyer can confirm the truth of what I'm saying here.

u-Bob

he's talking about building links to fake tube sites.

testpie

But YouTube actively do remove copyrighted content - many has been the time that I've added a music video to my favourites list only for it to say "Video has been removed" a few weeks later, which must surely mean YouTube are no longer protected under the DMCA according to your logic?

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DomP_nl

where are the cliffnotes?

onno

all big programs does cross sales... if you didnt know that you are a bit lost..

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will76

wow thanks captin obvious. I guess you just skipped over where I said " i have no problem with cross sales" and that " for a company that claims to be the most surfer friendly out there I don't see how someone can make that statement and then do a PRE CHECKED cross sale on their signup page".


you understand ? i know people do cross sales, it just that most of the ones doing it don't claim to be the most surfer friendly site on the net and claim to put the surfer first.

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mpahlca

Will76 Claims? really? i gave you a login to the site, wondered what you thought? did you read our forum see what our members our members actually think? We asked our members about the cross sells before putting it up. I would really prefer you not infer things about us, when you are very open to the same criticism.

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tony286

If its such a great deal to the surfer why precheck it? Amazon tries to cross sell me all the time. Its not prechecked and sometimes I click passed it and sometimes I buy it. This is just a question

Shap

Hi Tony. As you probably know we stayed away from cross sells for the longest time. 2007 was our first venture into the cross sale market. We started on a very small scale. We paid close attention to customer response from it. We tried both checked and unchecked. After all our tests we found no increase in customer complaints.

Adding cross sales was a very tough move for me because of my personal perception of how surfers/members felt about cross sales. It looks like I was wrong about cross sales because they haven't caused an increase in member complaints.

I believe one of our company strengths is the way we handle our customer service. We have a 100% money back guarantee policy. We also make sure that any member that has any issues has those issues resolved and is happy afterwards. Often times if our support staff has to go back and forth with a member more than once we will give the member 1 free month membership to another site of ours SexTube. We do that because we understand the aggravation that comes from having problems with a site. We do our absolute best so that at the end of the day every member is happy.

tony286

Would they complain to you or to brazzers? I fell for a pre checked cross sale once on vista print,I totally missed it when buying some new business cards. It was a nightmare to get a credit from the cross sell company. I didnt complain to vista print I just never went back again. Just something to think about.

Shap

That is another thing that we took seriously. Any company we would cross sell to would have to have a very good members area as well as a customer service policy that resembled ours. Brazzers has both.

Also, our customer support reps are in touch with each other. We make sure the customers are happy customers. We haven't had a single customer have the experience you had.

will76

no i didnt get a chance to log in to look around.

so you telling me that providing a PRE CHECKED cross sale is a benefit to the surfer and is a " surfer friendly" thing to do ?

I have no problem using prechecked cross sales, but I don't think it is a benefit to surfers I don't care what some of them may have said in your site. It's one thing to offer it to them, it's another to precheck it. Again, I would use it, but i, and the majority know, it just a way to try to slip in another sale on them and hope they forget to cancel. Not a benefit to them, but to the site owner.

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will76

so you asked people who were ALREADY a member of your site what that thought ? that makes a lot of sense since they are already signed up.
why not do this, why not ask POTENTIAL members what they think on the signup page by asking " would you like to also try a 3 day pass to Brazzers for $1.95, if so click yes here". That is the surfer friendly thing to do and you guys know this. no way you can try to spin this. but you will.

will76

ok shap, i promise i will leave you be. It all comes down to money bottom line. Just strange to see someone who came across as being a "good guy" and doing the right things all these years, and who has complained about "bad" things no goes at length to justify why he uses a prechecked cross sale and why it is ok to do business with thieves. it all comes down to money, everything else is you trying to make your decissions sit better in your own head so you can sleep better at night .

So whats next, justifcation that zango really doesnt hurt other webmasters?

good luck to you.

Shap

We've never claimed it's a benefit to the surfer. It's not a value added product.

We do however put the earnings from the cross sales to a positive use. We invest 100% of the proceeds from the cross sales back to member's area content.

Shap

We tried unchecked and pre checked. The customer service tickets were the same. Seeing that neither caused an increase or decrease in customer service tickets we decided to go with the one that made the most money.

mpahlca

Will since you threatened me with banning to ask me to apologize and insulted me and my family on ICQ for more than 30 minutes, then after I gave you a members pass to see how we treat our customers you then come here without logging in and go off with accusations again.

What I now want is a public apology by calling someone thieves and saying that we are doing business with thieves you are defaming us, I want a public posted apology ASAP or to put it in your own words:

Will76 ‎(15/02/2008 2:13 PM): take back your comments, i will let ice sort it out

PS: I don't know "ICE" and have never talked to him but figure hey if Will can threaten me I should just quote it back.

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mpahlca

And no I didn't ask if it was a value added product you inferred that again, you continue to "read into" sentences and draw your own conclusions if you had asked me I would have told you we asked if they expected it, if it was considered a standard operating procedure and as such it is.

All I really want now is your public apology for calling us and our business partners thieves with no proof, please post it asap.

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GITZINGER

Jesus, you can justify anything can't you.

What a fuckin' scumbag.

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wheat

Could somebody point me at some of these legal tube sites? I sell online porn for a living and I can't name a single one off the top of my head, and I could name you at least 10 with 20+ minute videos.

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Shap

snizzshare.com is one of them.

Brujah

Shap, who benefits from these videos? It doesn't look like you do. AFF and your partner Brazzers?

http://www.megarotic.com/video/?c=search&s=twistys

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Shap

Aff, Brazzers and Megarotic owners.

Brujah

Maybe Brazzers should be paying you a higher share for those cross sells.

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Shap

Well to start I'm going to see if they can use their connections to get my content removed. Thanks for the link.

TheDoc

Ever how Shap feels about the video. It's hosted by Brazzers, it's less than a 10 min clip, which I think he said was fine for promos at some level, and the video does have a Twistys.com stamp on it.

350,000 views ... it's safe to assume some type-ins would have been sent.

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Shap

It's not even hosted by brazzers. they just are buying traffic from megarotic. They have no control over the site.

Brujah

Can I do this too Shap? Host a bunch of watermarked 10 minute videos and promote AFF and Brazzers instead? Thanks in advance.

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seeric

i just threw up in my mouth a little bit reading some of this drivel.

Shap

Of course not. Where did I say I'm for this?

ladida

You seem like a stand up guy. Will you get thrown out of the bro club?

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Shap

If you want to place your videos on megarotic and redtube and youporn and have them as an affiliate that's entirely up to you. I don't care what you do with your content or your program. That's your business. If you want to steal my content and use it for personal gain that's an entirely different story.

will76

I was all ready to walk away from this, as i posted but Shap can thank you for me being back in this thread.

SO you say I insulted your family for 30 minutes. Really? The way I remembered it I called you an idiot a bunch of times, and you asked me " Why don't you insult your wife and baby too", and I told you, why the fuck would i do that i dont know them ". I never said 1 bad thing about your family but you fucking lied and said i did in your post above. Shows no class on your part, not only asking me to insult them in the first place but then crying about it on GFY and saying that i did... oh wait you dont have to take my word for it, here is the screen shots from icq. If anyone thinks i photoshoped it I will set up gotomeeting and display my video screen for a third party to verify.






post your proof now where i insulted your family??? I can copy paste our entire conversation or let ICE contact via gotomeeting to read it for himself on my computer. asshole.

will76

You want me to apologize for Twistys doing business with redtube?? Shap should be the one apologizing for that not me, I didn't do business with them. BTW I know it is hard for you to comprhend some things, you know like you thinking that sending webmaster referrals = a pyramid scheme, but when a site makes money off of stolen content they are theives. They allow people to steal content and put it on their site and they profit from it, they are thieves.

»Rob Content«

Well Shap here is the thing. You cross sale to brazzers, and say you are in open communications with them. etc etc.

Brazzers is all over pages where people can view your full length scenes and the person providing this service is making it's money off brazzers, and from using your content for free.

Don't you kind of see the error in this?

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»Rob Content«

Even Shap your boss admitted that Redtube does steal content. You understand what a thief is correct?

If they were not thieves and stand up business men why did you stop working with them so quickly?

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Shap

I'm not happy about that situation and I've been talking to them about it.

»Rob Content«

There are tons of other programs not involved in content theft that run a good business and are dedicated to members areas etc that you can X sale who are not profiting from your content.

I think if more of us had a zero tolerance policy things would work a little differently.

Like you're in a very gray area... You hate content theft, but then you xsale people who profit from your content..

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will76

you talking to the same person who says I ran an illegal pyramid scheme by referring people to clickash.

Fact: I referred people to clickcash through their clickcash referral program.
Fact: I didn't sig whore, I only worked with people one on one and I helped them. He said that is a pyramid scheme and compared it to of all things... amway obviosly someone doesn't understand what a " webmaster referral " is.

He said I " promised people riches" and prayed on the ones that didnt know better. How he pulls all of this out of his ass I don't know. The reality is I only worked with people who had existing sites or traffic. I promised poeople nothing except that I would help them. I did not help anyone generate traffic, I just help them convert better and provided them promos and tools to use, for free. Everythign 100% free for them.

all of that to him = an illegal pyramid scheme. He also said he was close to out'ing me in the past but it must have been a coincidence that he waits till the exact time I make a post that is bad about his boss.

He also said i was in this thread for sig views (see sig)

Brujah

I was replying to TheDoc, he seemed to think it should be ok since your watermark was on it.

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»Rob Content«

Does twistyscash have a webmaster ref program? if so then by his terms they are also running the start of a pyramid scheme, and providing the tools for others to do so as well.

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Shap

It's the choice I've decided to make. Unlike just about everybody else in this thread I deal with content theft everyday. I have been for the past 7 years. I spend a few million dollars a year on content. Through hard work and determination I've built the largest babe paysite online. I didn't get to where I am right now by accident. There are a lot of backseat drivers telling me how to run my business. Instead of wasting time telling me how to run my company I think most people could benefit from logging off GFY and analyzing their business and thinking about how they are going to manage their business in the coming months and years.

Shap

Gotcha

will76

yes, we went round and round and round on that one basically its ok for Twistys to have a webmaster referral program and use it but since I used clickcash's for some reason that was a pyramid scheme, here you can read for yourself.

»Rob Content«

I understand, I'm not telling anyone who to run any business. But, content theft is a huge issue. It makes no difference if you spend 2k a year or 2 millions. It comes down to fighting it, or profiting from it.

You profit from people who use your content to profit. You're in bed with people who have no problem with content theft.

I have a firm grasp on my business and where it can and will go. I do deal with content theft daily as well, and i've done a lot to fight it.

All I was saying is instead of giving in, if more people in a high position like yourself took a zero tolerance policy it could help a lot more.

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will76

Michael, Shap as I said before, I dont plan on posting in this thread any more. It alll comes down to money, etc.. you can see my parting speach when i tried to leave last time. If michael wants to keep making up bullshit lies about me saying i insulted his family or that i run a pyramid scheme, then by all means continue and I will come back and continue on as well.

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