So you own and operate a business in adult and are not just a surfer? Great! maybe we can do business some day, but i think you miss read, I did deny it.

Oh, I was mistaken by the no ref code...so that means your just a bought sig whore. I thought you allready knew that I was a surfer with nothing better to do than banter with the likes of you.

Damn Twistys owns SexTube? Sweet domain.

Here's the thing. People will always want porn.

Before the internet they had to PAY for it through magazines, tapes, move theaters etc. Then the internet
came along and they still would have paid for it if they weren't able to get it for FREE.

Between the people that steal content and give it away and the legitimate business that promote with waaaaay to much free content
the internet has become a haven for free porn. The adult industry could have had the surfer by the balls ( pun intended ) but the way the internet operates now they've lost their grip.

Content producers and owners get hit the hardest and seem to be fighting a losing battle. How can you battle a world wide problem when every country has their own set of rules or laws to go by with few if anyone to enforce them? If you try and try and give it your best shot to solve the problem and you are not successful you have the choice of giving up or finding a different method of attack.

I understand what you're saying here but don't you think Twistys hasn't been in the same position and probably on a much greater scale. It looks to me that he has chosen a different plan of attack. Highly unpopular that's for sure but it might just be that end around run that could get the advantage back to the content owners and producers.

There are many here on GFY that are the movers and shakers of the adult industry. People that have the ability to shape and change the industry. It takes great vision to make the right move in something that's constantly evolving. It's a bold step for Twistys to make and time will tell if it was the right move.

God, I am late to the game on this discussion, but can't believe what I am reading....

Yes accepting tube traffic associates you with the criminals, plain and simple. Very stupid statement in my opinion. You are making a buck by them advertising with unapproved content from other programs. Fuck the point that your content is approved and is being advertised only with your banners and your links.... congrats.. you got your stuff taken care of. You threw your colleagues under the bus while you are sitting pretty... how about saying to RedTube that they can't use any of your stuff until EVERYTHING on their site is legit???? That's a tough one to get past isn't it? Why in the hell does anyone think that copyrights go to shit once on the NET??? No one owning a site should be responsible for ensuring that everything on it is OK??? (I mean seriously.. if no one cares about copyrights, why the fuck do we care if CP or bestiality or sites advertising selling of illegal drugs are out there? It's the fuckin wild west for real!!!) Make it all legit, or work on shutting them down.. come on man, I thought you were smarter than this???

They just want to follow your rules or they want to follow the rules of common sense and responsibility?

Why don't your rules say that you will not accept traffic from any affiliate found to be utilizing copyright violating content of any sort? Not just yours, but anyones?????? You are in bed with thieves man... seriously!!!!

Oh god... this makes no sense. Bend the rules then become legit? This is wrong on soooooooooo many levels.... You are being a savior or philanthropist or do-gooder of some sort? Helping the needy find their way???

Tell them straight up you want them to go legit. Tell them you want them to police every piece of content that crosses their threshhold. Tell them to do it the right way or you will sue them for using your content improperly. See what they say. You will become the least important person on their list. At this point, you are cooperating with them, not the other way around; but interestingly enough, you are the one benefitting from the arrangement financially.

Totally twisted logic man. I had applied to shoot for you and can honestly say that with this type of attitude and logic I am not disappointed now that you ignored me.

Yeah, you got me. I did misread. Its just so much fun tapping these keys I cant control myself. LOL.

No, I didn't sell my signature. I actually never have. I've had different products, companies or sometimes hosts listed without ref code over the years.

Again you missed the mark. That's starting to develop in to a bit of a pattern, wouldn't you say?

the moral of the story is that you can use twistys content on tube sites as long its promoting another program. Am I reading the statements correctly?

Fuck off. You have a sig, with no ref code to a shitty teen bop program that barely gets google image traffic and your suddenly the worlds biggest affiliate since Nam. Give me a break. :1orglaugh

Are you dyslexic? lol

Just curious which sponsors do you use?

I never said I was the World's biggest affiliate. I just established that I'm a successful webmaster well established and not a beginner in need of tutorials. I'm refuting your ridiculous statements and thereby crushing your argument. :2 cents:

Fantastic can you put this up in your sig then and send me an invoice:

http://www.barackobama.com/

I'm Shap from Twistys and I approved this message. :thumbsup

Great idea 100% agree with this :thumbsup


Theres an old saying "if you lie with dogs you wake up with flees" which applies to this thread.


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I'll probably get burned in effigy for this, but here it goes.

People seem to forget that the hun started out by linking into the members areas of adult check gold sites.
People had their hosting shut down because of this.

In the early days of TGP 90%+ of the galleries listed had stolen content on them.
There were sponsors that refused to accept TGP traffic because they were "giving away the store" and TGP's made their money from things like dialers etc.

Now, today, the TGP sites are a staple of our industry, in fact alot of people think they're the only traffic source in the industry.

While the illegal tube sites definitely go alot farther today than the TGP's did back in 1997-1998....that's really more a function of the cost of bandwidth and the availability of content than it is a moral decision by the site owner.
If bandwidth was $15 a meg and content was plentiful when the TGP's first started, they probably would have given just as much away.

You can either sit on your soapbox and be righteously indignant while your competitors put you out of business, or you can be realistic and practical and make money.

I think the reason so many people are steamed here is that Shap has always been a soap box kind of guy, so people didn't expect this from him.

There is no good option here, the tube sites aren't going to go away no matter how much you scream, so you can either try to use them to make money, or you can scream about them. Faced with those two choices, a smart business man is going to choose to make money.

I'd like to point out that the people who are screaming the loudest don't have a dog in this fight. Shap is the one who spends millions of dollars a year on content and has it stolen. He's the one who had to make a business decision.

The dogs who bark the loudest about tube sites aren't the people who are having their stuff stolen, it's the people who are losing traffic to the tube sites....or people who think their drop in income is attributable to these new sites. (Their logic is more free porn=fewer members and lower retention)
You can make a valid argument for that....but still, if they're not stealing from you then you really have no right to bitch about Shap's decision to do business with them. :2 cents:

watch as many "legitimate" bands of people in adult go to the dark side man, before it was a lot more hidden and not spoken of, now people like rude.com, pornhub, and the like will just shove a middle finger in your face and tell you to eat a shit biscuit

tube sites are not the end of this industry. ultimately we'll fuck ourselves into a position to be regulated by someone like stuart assface lawley or the gov or isps will be forced to filter at the country level one by one, or some other retarded way to go.

.xxx will not be the end of this biz, 2257 will not be the end of this biz, WE will be the end of this biz.

this industry could very well be imploding in a series of business model moves that people do not see are inevitably harmful but chosen because thats what everyone else is doing. if you follow bandits into a battle be prepared to battle like bandits and not business men.

Regardless of how "suit and tie" people in this industry pretend to be, deep down this industry wears a renegade mentality which counter enables any unification that we can wish for. Every man for himself is the way its been and the way I see it ending one day. Eventually, either a government agency, or big business or emerging market with a serious plan will pick apart and manipulate our inability to unite and lobby together on any issue.

This is the sad truth, and I do believe it.

Good one. To tell you the truth, when all is said and done, I will be most likely flying that sig myself. You see Im about whats best for this country so my sig is not some crazy zealots war cry. He is by far the best candidate left in a very shallow pool.


I support quite a few sponsers, including myself through SE. About the same way you do..To tell you the truth I was quite fond of the way you build your in house traffic and follow many of the same techniques. I just chose to make my pages a little more SE freindly.

BTW Im sure Obama would be less than happy to have someone supporting him that supports redtube. :1orglaugh

What a crock of shit. Honestly. You are doing business with someone who has tons of stolen content on their site. You try to justify this by saying your content will not be on any *pages* with stolen content :1orglaugh. Christ, that is worse then the companies who start a subsidiary company who fucks people and the parent company says, " its not us".

You really bent over backwards to jusitfy to yourself what you are doing... you wont allow redtube to display stolen content on any of the pages that your content is on. Wow man, you really putting your foot down for the industry! (sarcasm) You are doing business with the same people who are killing your sector of the industry.

While I agree with your comments on how the industry is changing, there is a HUGE difference between LEGAL Tubes and Illegal Tube sites. You could have just done business with legal tube sites and you would have been fine and " adapted" . But, no. The fact that they are a top 100 site is more imporatant to you (greed) then your principles. They are known content theives. There are so many legit tubes you could have done business with but you choose one of the thieves to do business with and then you try to justify it so you can make yourself feel better about your decission. What ever makes you sleep at night, but by doing business with RedTube, as long as they still allow stolen content on their site, that now makes you no different than AFF, no different than Brazzers or anyone else who supports these stealing fucks.

Quoted for Truth, rounding to the highest number.

I stopped reading right there when I realized that it was nothing but a "Lars Like" spin........Then I read the responses and saw how others saw it as a spin, which confirmed my original assumption....Therefore, you must get the Colin Powell: **this means a lot more on another board I visit**

http://www.blackvaginafinder.com/misc/colinpowell.jpg

Things that make you go hmmmm...

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Hun can do it, so can you!
10 ways to wok your site with new "hot" content.

How can you get your very own hot copy?
Just visit your nearest tubesite. Make sure you go to the non stolen content section, simple to find it has all the advertising on it and lesser quality shorter taser clips the link on the page in bettwen the 10 aff ands and the 10 im live ands, probably on the left side of the ppc ads in a 10x10pixel box that actually looks like an ad, unlike the other blind link ads

So basically you posted in here to promote your viral discussion board or your pyramid scheme?

How many of you:
1) Promoted Twistys before this thread
2) Will stop promoting Twistys now that you read it
3) Will continue to promote, despite this thread

Here's the spinner though:

4) Have even sent them a single sale

If #4 is answered with a "no" just stop typing.

kind of dissapointing to hear your position Shap, thought you would be the last person to associate your business with thieves

yeap i agree, and one more name just got added to the list, yours. I don't refer to it as " no morals" but more of a lack of business ethics.

So you taking the Lars defense, my competitors made me do it? Nice glad to see you learned something from GFY.

I personally will never do business with anyone who does business with low life stealing fucks. You are in bed and sleeping with a company that only exists because their site is FULL of stolen content. That is who you choose to do business with and the last person I will ever do business with.

You could have done business with the tons of LEGAL tube sites but no you wanted to do business with one of the ones that is fucking everyone and then you go on crying about how everyone else is doing it and there is no stopping them blah blah blah. sad man, very sad.

for the record I and (WE) at Shane's World are against "Fucking the surfer"

its counter productive to our business model.

He its 4 for me, but I didn't know i was dieing today. To loose any chance at doing business with me in the future is a loss, even if you or any one else doesnt think so. There is a very good chance I would have done business with them over the next year. We can bump this in the future and see who got my traffic and who didn't. I can tell you for sure, he wont be one of them.

Thats some lame ass shit. Who gives a fuck about his pornstar program. Were talking about content theft and promoting your company on them. Twistys shit is actually irrelevant when you look at where this thread has gone. Kinda like yourself.

Wow shap you are really no better than any other scum. You are accepting traffic that originated from scumbags that get it from stolen content sites and warez, and other scum? you jopined their team.:2 cents::helpme

I don't think we are doing the same thing AFF was. You are entitled to your opinion.

I'm trying to control my content theft situation. I'm making very little from the Red Tube traffic. I'd be willing to donate 100% of our cut of the RedTube traffic towards a legal fund against stolen content. 2 months ago my entire videos were on RedTube. Now only 2 minute clips can be found. It's a small victory in our fight to control our content theft.

what and the fuck are you talking about. You have to be the most stupid fucking person in the world for a response like that. Not only am I not promoting anything but where in the fuck do you get pyramid scheme from? You not doing twistys any favors by making really fucking stupid comments in reply to my ON TARGET post about what you guys are doing and how YOU fucked up.

You are starting to sound like irish pimp or one of Lars' lackies who couldnt handle that their boss got called out for doing shady shit. You are making yourself look like a fucking moron like they did. If you want to reply why not try defending what the company you are working for did instead of making attacks against me and totally making up bullshit.

With you people it's always "Oh, you lost my "potential" business"

Who gives a shit? I certainly don't. If I annoy you with a post or what not and you never sign up to my program - I could give a fucking shit. I have a lot of webmasters who aren't idiots, who send fantastic traffic and we pay out tons to them. Sure, I risk losing a guy who "May have potentially" sent sales.

Frankly any of us who own programs know how 5/100 webmasters are actually worth a crap. The odds of you actually signing up, placing links, and sending productive enough traffic to send sales is ... well 5% on average from what I have seen in a dozen programs over 5 years in this industry.

GFY no longer produces affiliates, everyone knows that. It is hardly good for branding anymore either. So in all honesty Shap could come here and say anything he wants and I would still push his sites because they kick ass.

I run a legal tube and I am 100% stringent. I use sponsor videos and their links are plastered all around the videos I use. I think that's just "ethical" and it's a win win for me and for my sponsors because they do well. Shap is looking out for his business. He has rules in place that protect him and the tube. It's not his responsibility to force this tube to police OTHER content.

1) I agree stolen content sucks and hurts us
2) But as a business owner I can tell you I would use (ALMOST) any avenue to get business. If redtube approached me, I would consider heavily doing business with them so long as I was not stepping on any toes... just as Shap is doing here.

Tubes have traffic. They are taking over. I see the double edge in doing business with them... but hey they either put your links on your vids, or just fucking steal them. So it's hard.

Anyway, I think it's getting stupid in this thread. 100 idiots with no traffic trying to tell a multi millionaire that he is running his business poorly. Fucking funny.

Btw anybody who learned anything from the Lars situation knows he really got screwed. He screwed himself completely. What was that check for again? $500,000,000? What a douche bag.

GFY is a great place to learn things isn't it?

Great post Shap. People in the adult space are almost oblivious of the ways that surfers are using the tools provided to them anymore, and it's refreshing to see someone realize that WE cannot shape THEM, WE must adapt to how THEY do things in order to survive. :)

"Anyway, I think it's getting stupid in this thread. 100 idiots with no traffic trying to tell a multi millionaire that he is running his business poorly. Fucking funny."
- BradM, 2008, about 1 minute ago.

Dude you should have though twice about posting this thread and even harder about posting in it. You sound like a bigger asshole everytime you touch the keyboard.

Stop sucking his balls lamo. You dont know shit about who is posting or not. You need any mints to kill the taste of Shaps balls on your breath or what.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Coming from you that's gold.

What other great advice do you have? Please tell us, oh fake nick.

Please... please. Give me some advice, along the same level you are giving to Shap. It's just so inspirational and I need some of the same.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

did you mean " ruining" your business and reputation and not "running ":winkwink:

So you cant run your business if you dont do business with a handfull of shady tube sites. You could still do business with the 100s of legal tube sites but if you cant do business with RedTube then you " can't let that stop me from runniing my business". You must really really want their traffic because your bending over backwards to try to justify what you are doing. Last time I heard elaberate justifications like this it was " sex search made me do it" " we do it to protect our affiliates" " it is just adware colusions" " google does it" oh wait I think you use the google one too :helpme:1orglaugh