yeah..lets all hold hands and sing kumbyyah! The sponsors will compete with each other to provide tube sites with longer clips until whole scenes will be posted:1orglaugh

I know. I'm agreeing. I'm asking that question to all the programs that are against redtube but ok with xnxx. I hate to point it out but right now they are the exact same. If someone is ok with Xnxx's traffic then they should be ok with RedTube. If not they are hypocrites.

let's all regulate criminals - that's a novel idea for not just this industry but for society. let's teach them how to use their criminal skills and minds - forget throwing them in jail or fining them - let's just get them to agree not be bad anymore and teach them how to be productive citizens.

lame.

Shady? Ok. I'm sorry you feel that way. If ever you go to a show let me know. Let's get together for a drink. I guarantee you'll change your mind.

The owners of video #1 and video #2 should make the same deal...

In general that hasnt happened with TGPs - and it easily could have done....

Why?

Because they know that it is more profitable to follow the rules - lets give the Tube |sites the same incentives.

If we dont we are going to be fighting this battle forever and the ONLY winners will be Tube site owners and the lawyers.

You could call it defeatist - I would call it realistic.

having a clueless day, are we????

I'm not ok with it. However I'm trying to work with RedTube to control the content theft situation. This hasn't been an easy decision. We are trying to take steps towards creating a better situation.

They are fucking the industry your in and your defending them? This is why this industry is so fucked up and anyone can fuck with us and we roll right over. Pathetic and we call it you have to change.

Why should they police everyone else's content as well?

I understand what you've said and the position you're in.

You have decided to make Redtube work in your favor as opposed to
them ripping your content with no benifit. I see Twistys stuff ALL over the net
so I understand the overwhelming up hill battle you're against.

It seems that if everyone took the action you have taken the tube sites would then become legitimate and everyone would benefit. The problem is the tube sites were founded on an illegal premise and many business were and continue to be hurt by that.

I feel very strongly about people that lie, cheat and steal to get ahead and once established get to go legit and then think everything is fine. Tube sites are one example and illegal immigration is another. It really sucks for those people that go through life trying to do the RIGHT thing.

You've decided to adapt and given the position you're in I can hardly blame you. I think the Adult industry as a whole shoot themselves in the foot with way too much free porn marketing and it will take big changes and many years to get it back under control.

Great post shap, I think a lot of people here are missing the point, and the boat.

PS: I e-mailed Kevin maybe a month ago and showed him a full length twisty's video on Redtube, and I guess this is what came of it. There was no advertising next to it at all to Twistys

its really a cut and dry situation.Tube sites in itself arent bad, its when the illegal posting of videos along with whole ripped scenes of stolen content. These rogue tubes sites know that following the rules Arent AS PROFITABLE as going legit...if they did,they wouldnt have prepaid ads on them

I would reply in this thread with my thoughts, but I am too busy filling out DMCA's for RedTube and XNXX :(

Oh bullshit please be a man and tell it like it is. Its all about the money and you could give a fuck less about the industry or anyone else.
I would respect that more then the you've got to change bullshit or we are working to control content theft nonsense. Please your being insulting.

There are sites that every single sponsor has as an affiliate that have very questionable business practices that never get brought up. Why? Because they make people good money.

Our industry is notorious for turning a blind eye as long as it profits them. The biggest problem our industry has is if something harms the surfer they have no problem with it. If it harms their sponsor they have no problem with it. But once it harms them they get all pissed off.

I've looked at the situation. Tube sites aren't going anywhere. Long term the biggest ones will all move towards being more regulated. Not allowing them to sign up as an affiliate will only slow that process down. AFF and others will continue to pay their bandwidth bills and just because I turn them down for an affiliate account won't stop them from doing business. Shutting them out isn't the answer.

nobody should have to police other people's content unless they want to be a 'good neighbor'

here's the analogy for you:

there's a thief in your neighborhood breaking into houses over a prolonged period of time, you know how he's making a living - he's stealing from you and your neighbors - then one day he knocks on your door and he wants to sell you something, a good deal on some stolen piece of property - are you going to do business with the guy whom you know stole the sewing machine from the old lady down the street? are you going to turn him into the cops so justice is served? or just say 'sorry I'm not doing business with a thief'

I look at myself just fine in the mirror. Not trying to be a dick but I treat my clients better than anyone else in this industry. My top priority is treating every single client of mine like gold. How many other people in this industry can you say that about?

hey, you made your decision regarding your content, just dont be surprised when more sites pop up who wont want to cut a deal with you and post more full rips of your sites and dont be surprised if there is any fallout from affiliates who refuse to promote twistys because of this. its your content, your rules

Never thought I would see the day when Shap helps content thieves. I think the business you are going to LOSE from your previously trusting affiliates is going to be more than what you gain. You spent 10 years building a solid rep, now you're watching it melt nice a snowball in hell.


2 cents

Great post. I agree with you.

The problem with our industry is as long as you don't steal from each other it's ok. Stealing from surfers is cool. If people held sponsors to the same standards then there would be very few sponsors to promote. FUCK THE SURFER and everything is ok. It's a shame that's the mentality.

If now your helping fuck the industy so you make a few more dollars or like the scared shop owner on the corner so they dont steal from me. Its sad. I always thought better of you.

Thanks Socks. I spent all night writing the post. It wasn't easy. It's tough writing a post when you know a lot of people will disagree with. Especially people that you know and respect. That said I'm not one to hide from what we are doing and the decisions we make.

Thanks for the post :thumbsup

If RedTube went 100% legit, more pirates would pop up and take its place. Piracy is big business.

FACT: Tube visitors are not interested in promo clips.

Stop please stop. You know what your doing is wrong your not a stupid man please stop trying to convince everyone your doing the noble thing your not.

While it's far from ideal, I think Shap is on the right track. It may be preferable to only deal with legit tube sites, but at least it's a step in the right direction. Hopefully in time, the sites that play by the rules will be the only ones making money, and can be an example to others. Sometimes it's good to have a carrot to go along with the stick. :2cents:

THank you, the surfer has been trained to expect full scenes.

So by accepting Redtube traffic I'm thrown into the same boat as all the low lifes in our industry that have given every surfer they've encountered every reason to never join a paysite again? Fuck The Surfer right? Isn't that our industry slogan? I'm the one guy who's been against that from day one. And accepting RedTube traffic makes me not care about the industry?

A tube (and torrent/p2p) user is after free stuff, movies music software and porn, not promo clips trailers etc.

Yep the right track if we give the thieft's money they wont steal from us. lol

I would like to ask you two questions number one is your sig paid for? or do you promote that program? and number two do you agree with their business practices? Let me know so I can see where you stand on issues so I can make an informed response to your concerns.

Bingo..

For those who remember, my site Adult Site Surfer was among the very first review sites out there.. We did most of the development and many of the earliest reviews in 2001, and our competition at that point was Janes Guide, X3Guide and somewhere around that time came AdultReviews.net

GFY didn't know what to make of review sites, and there were big discussions against letting us into their paysites (as if we needed someone to "let us in" lol) and also people really mad that we told surfers the truth! I mean they'd spent the last 5 years investing in surfer-traps, this was all bad news.

We basically did everything opposite. No pop-ups. No banner ads. No false information. We actually went into the sites and wrote our opinion.

Back then it was blasphemy, and today we have 100 competitors and it's just as normal as starting a TGP or linklist to make a review site.

The sooner you realize what's coming over the horizon, the sooner you can start getting your plans together.

The protectionists back then died out, and they're about to again.

I can't imagine General Motors giving away 10 cars in order to sell one!!!!!! It doesn't make any sense.

Solution must be legal/technical.

My rep is being honest. Caring about the surfer. Giving them the highest quality sites possible. I'm probably honest to a fault. Hence the big long post today. I could have hid under a rock and ignored the situation. Instead I'm addressing it. I'd love to hear from any affiliates about this. My email is tw-shap at twistys dot com.

Wow, what a bunch of idiots around here. Shap just laid out some gospel, whether you like it or not.


If you can't see that the web is changing whether you like it or not, you're in for a complete and total SHOCK when you're left with nothing.


For those of you that do see it changing, I happen to have a couple of IDEAL domains for the future of the internet for sale cheap:

www.HoldMyFile.com
www.HoldMyMovie.com

I would prefer to sell them as a pair. Cheers! :thumbsup

All content creators are hoping and praying for a legal/technical solution to drop out of the sky and land in their stocking for Christmas.

Question is: What are you going to do in the decade it takes them to get around to that?

Glad you came out with this Shap and great post.....
GFY is notorious for bashing anything and everything.....it was dialers...the circle jerks....then pre checked cross sells.....the constant evolution of this biz has been fought tooth and nail the whole way.

until it washes over everyone in its path..like it or not...the tube sites are here to stay....wether or not you allow them to operate in an acceptable method is up to the content provider....the people i see screaming the loudest seem to be affiliates who are scratching their heads no how to compete with sub 100 alexa rankings and how they got so big so fast.....gotta be something.....i would think if AFF was dropping 100k+ a month in their bank accounts most would be singing a different tune.

There are already examples of acceptable tube site practice...such as XXXJAYS SNIZZSHARE.COM etc.....

that is what we have to do to adapt the tubes from where they are currently...just stealing content.....dont forget ...in 1995 everyone stole content also.....no one cared about copyright and lawsuits....only a few even knew what the fuck was going on....look where we are today.

affiliate proliferated the use of free content over the years from the thumbnail post to the movie post to free hosted content to anything a program was willing to provide to get their traffic...why should we roll over now??? we have never drawn a line in the sand before.....why are tubes so much different in from anyhting else we have done in this industry over the years??? simply because they are getting too much of the share to ignore???

Thanks for coming out Shap....maybe more programs will limit the tube sites from utilizing stolen content and help get them in line.....those are the companies that will reap the big benefits.....

The change isnt coming....its already here...most of you are just too blind to notice

oh yeah....


/threadjack.

Stop changing the subject we arent talking about the surfer. I never thought it was cool to fuck the surfer and dont think its cool to fuck the industry I work in.
Accepting redtube traffic makes you part of the problem and you know this your a smart guy. Your not doing this for higher reasons.