ronaldo

Okay, that's fair. I thought you were thinking he posted a REAL threatening video. My bad.

DAMN funny video though.

Bods4Mods

Do not care if was serious or in jest. I do not take threatening my family lightly.

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Jace

god damn, that is a SWEET background

can you do a blog theme with that in it?

baddog

Well, while I know there are always three sides to every story I will say that I have done work with bods in the past and have nothing negative to say about him.

Socks

You guys are on some highschool shit, don't be surprised when your worlds come crashing down on you

Violetta

wow... ibthemoddog seems like a REALLY good and NICE partner! What a great guy!






NOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!

And I know Brian personally. He must be the nicest guy to do biz with ever!

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L-Pink

Coming right after his post I agree with the perception ..... (and the drama never ends)

potter

I love to design blogs. I could hook you up with whatever you needed (not using that one though, I could design a new original version).

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potter

Oh, and to any CFUS peeps. Jon deleting this same thread on there, and banned me. Which is why it was brought here. It totally sucks, because cfus rocks. :/

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Bods4Mods

Thanks man

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potter

I don't think you even realize it. But we've met, shook hands, and talked biz before. I just don't have that big of an impression because I'm mainly just a designer and not a "big baller tgp owner" in the industry.

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Jace

hit me up jace at justjace dot com and let me see some examples man

you aren't like some idiots out there and grab free themes and just modify the graphics and charges $400, right? LOL

I had a guy hit me up and while the graphics were pretty damn good, the fucking theme was a DIRECT copy/paste from themes.wordpress.net, I even viewed source and the name of the original theme was in there....I don't mind if you do that, but don't quote me $400 for a fucking theme you just changed graphics on! haha

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE

10% of the new site? after being duped into developing an entire program with sites and not getting paid?

You better pick up some business skills and learn to hustle in the adult biz.
You got the fuck pimped out of ya.

I hope you recover, just do not be gullible in the future and remember Money talks bullshit walks and maybe just maybe you can call someone a friend after knowing them for more than a couple years but ya goto keep biz and friend separated at all times with money being counted where its due.

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Bods4Mods

Yes cfus does rock but as you well no, bringing unjustified drama to that forum without trying to fix it off line is a no-no. Plus I would rather leave rev out of this. Thus you were forced to bring it here where drama is king

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Jace

ok, that made me laugh

baddog

As I stated, I know there are always three sides to every story I will say that I have done work with bods in the past and have nothing negative to say about him.

I am sorry that we have never done biz, but since we haven't, I can't speak as to my experience with you.

sicone

I've known both (Bods and Potter) for several yrs now and have nothing negative to say about either of them

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potter

The third post in this thread shows I was discussing this just mere hours ago. The rest of the posts show this was ongoing for 9+ months and not resolved. Again, the proof is all right here. Everyone has read it.

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Bods4Mods

Not true at all. The only people that had interest in the site were the three investors. I have always liked Brian's work. When I showed it to a few people, none of them were happy with how it turned out. That is why we got a new designer Harvey, who did an amazing job.

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potter

I'll hit you up

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Bods4Mods

Thanks man

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potter

I thought I had learned my lesson and had always gotten payment upfront. Even with the first couple projects with Jon. Problem is, with the friendship that was built I trusted him. It was years into it he began to screw me over.

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AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE

Well when you tell somebody 10% and they put in the time and you pull the plug what is that about? A deal is a deal and if they did not like the work he seemingly his work dictates he is capable of getting what was wanted.

However I think the bottom line is the 10%.
How about that other designer that replaced him he makin 10% or was he paid flat? Was it just easier to cut out Potter and put the 10% somewhere else? Thats what I am thinking.

What about the time the guy that thought you were his friend what did he get other then getting cut out of the deal? Did you at least pay him for the time he put into the effort?

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Bods4Mods

Again Brian. I have always taken care of you. When the designs started to not be what I wanted and you took your break from designing because it wasn't what you wanted to do, and have to throw papers and not make ends meat, you come on here trying to extort money from me. I am not about to have that done to me because you made the wrong choices in life.

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potter

Not true at all. You continued to use my work, and asked for even more work to be done. You used my main tour design for the first portion of beta, and continued to keep it up as an alt tour via the affiliate program. The member's section is STILL using my scripting and design as well. It's kinda hard to try and blame investor's opinions when you yourself have used the product, and not payed for it. It's real simple.

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AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE

Why would anyone go with 10% when the deal is split 3 ways on a solo girls site anyways? Thats insane, you would be mailing a 5 cent nickel every week after all said and done.

Sigh...
It's none of my business really I just feel a relation to what Potter has gone threw, I went through the same thing when I first started going solo in the biz.

Oh well I am going to stand down 3 sides to every story.
Good luck and tough breaks on all sides is what comes to mind here.

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potter

I think you need to reread this thread. You seem to be hallucinating.

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Bods4Mods

It is so much easier looking from the outside in, isn't it? And not knowing all the facts makes that whole process a bit off, don't you think?

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Bods4Mods

Not at all - you need to start being a man and stop blaming others for your failing in life.

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potter

Ah, and there it is. I was hoping you'd show this side of your personality. Now people can actually see what a terrible person you are. You need to take your own advice there and start being a man and paying your debts. You hired me, and didn't pay me - <<<< see. It's on the first page, everyone's seen it. It's not like it disappeared because we hit page 2.

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potter

I really don't understand how there is any other side to this. As stated, I did work for him and was not paid for it. There is a plethora of evidence in this thread. The only retort was that my design was not used. Well, go to the website. It's the third alt tour right now. It's there, live and running online. It's also posted as a link code on the affiliate program. My design, and scripting - is also being used for the member's section. Which many here could check if they have a promo pass, which the larger players should. There's hundreds of webmasters on here who were part of beta, and saw the website launched with my design as the main tour. It's not like it's up for debate, because the proof is right there for you to see.

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xmas13

Can someone summarize? I'm too lazy to read all the shit.

Thanks.

Kron

shameless sig insertion

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MaDalton

after reading the ICQ logs i have to say:

if my "partner" would speak to me that way i would shit in his face and quit the same second. i think "arrogant asshole" would be the appropriate term in this case

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Violetta

well, having sucky friends sure doesnt help

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BlackCrayon

Sounds like a case of the big guy screwing the little guy because he knows he can.

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lazycash

He hasn't been paid in 9 months, gfy sounds like a decent last resort attempt. Its not like Jon was ready to cut a check and now has decided not to, by his posts in this thread its clear that he hasn't had any intention of paying Brian.

sigurman

I must say you had A LOT of faith in Jon...now that you lose it, talk with a lawyer.

not-a-troll

this thread really delivers

not-a-troll

you'll get your money nigga!

Goose

Bods you still owe me 200k traffic, kick your plug boy in his balls and pay back like you said a year ago.

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V_RocKs

Wow.. looks like Batts isn't the only genius.

Brit has a great bod.. but if I promote her will I get paid?

How come I have never heard of her until now? What kind of promotion do you do? WTF?

I am reading your lofty ideas on her site and amounts you will make but I see that there is very little in the way of promotion.. sad..

Tempest

This was entertaining.. what I take away is that:
1. If you're a smooth talker you can get free work out of potter.
2. Never do business with Bods4Mods unelss he pays you up front.
3. Any hot ideas Bods4Mods has will probably fail from lack of follow thru.

qxm

I thought this thread had died already.........so whut happened? will the guy the the monies or will he not? Therein lies the question........

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After Shock Media

Skip lawyer use small claims. Lawyers are only usefull in criminal matters, or when damages exceed approx 33k or so. (yes there are other reasons for lawyers so do not lay into me.)

There is no real interest to sue for since it was never part of any agreement though you may be able to get some on that 10&#37; assuming you can make a judge think he was being malicious and then it is the state set limit.

You just need to go file for small claims court. Most places are 5k maximum judgements, or like mine its 5k for first case of year then 2.5k for each additional case. No lawyers needed nor allowed.

Only pain in the ass about small claims or even real court is collecting the judgement.

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Twisted Dave

I'm not going to say either one here is in the right, because it may be one massive miscommunication...!!!

But... I've worked for bods a few times and he's always paid on time ... in fact... paid up front I think If I recall ...

Nice guy to deal with.

Hope you guys get this sorted either way Good luck

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V_RocKs

Hit the lights!

papill0n

wow potter you are the most patient guy i think i have ever seen. If I was you i would forget about getting your money. Move on man and learn from this. Never ever do work on credit. Always get half up front and if you haven't been paid don't EVER do any more work.