Russian Market is growing..

[Peace]

What do you think about Russian porn internet market? looks like it is growing.
And Russia getting online with fast speed. Problem is that billing companies want 60% from revenue.

But Surfer is willling to pay with SMS and Phone. Not so many people have CC though.

But people are willing to pay 4$ ( via SMS ) for 2 days acess. which means 60$ per month...

I think the way to go is to make a mirrow sites in Russian and promote
it on russian market ..

If someone is interested to do so please hit me up and lets discuss.

[Antonio]

do you still pay $400-500 per month for broadband Internet access?

Then there's no hope unless you sell pics for cellphone wallpapers I guess, everything in porn today is about movies...

[who]

Originally Posted by Antonio

do you still pay $400-500 per month for broadband Internet access?

Then there's no hope unless you sell pics for cellphone wallpapers I guess, everything in porn today is about movies...

No, but around $40-$50.

[spunkmister]

I think a lot of people are vary of dealing with the Russian Market due to the high probability of fraud, maybe thats why processors want such a high cut of the revenue, not sure.

But it is defintetly an emerging market, just like the Chinese...just have to find a way to monetize it with minimal risk.

[RedGlamourStudio]

around 25$ for 3000\1000 unlim + 26 chanells of digital tv

[Nicky]

I'm filtering all my russian traffic to a sms page, not been doing it for long though so I can't really say if the results are good or bad

[cardinalvices]

How do you determine age by SMS?

[The Judge]

Isn't porn illegal there? Damn, I think I got an undetectable rootkit trojan just by clicking on this thread

[Davy]

Russian don't care about copyrights. You can buy mp3 compilation cds on every corner.
Porn sites have no future in this market, unless they change their copyright practices.
Or unless you find a way to sell memberships to the very exclusive group of rich people.

[Phil]

Originally Posted by cardinalvices

How do you determine age by SMS?

same way you determine if your user has pre-paid card from the mall or his moms credit card. I don’t think there is age restrictions on porn.. That issue is not being addressed because “Porn doesn’t exist in Russia“.

[Lykos]

Yeah something to think about definetly,but i never quite understood russian porn law

[Big_Red]

Originally Posted by Davy

Russian don't care about copyrights. You can buy mp3 compilation cds on every corner.
Porn sites have no future in this market, unless they change their copyright practices.
Or unless you find a way to sell memberships to the very exclusive group of rich people.

yeh my girl went and visited her mom there. she said she bought a dvd compilation with a crap load of movies on it. including some still in the theatre over here.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Antonio

do you still pay $400-500 per month for broadband Internet access?

It's about $20 a month for 4Mbit/sec (traffic is unlimited) here is Moscow.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Lykos

Yeah something to think about definetly,but i never quite understood russian porn law

No one understands it. Because there is no clear law about it. There is a 242 asset which says: "Illegal producing and distributing of porn is prohibited". But the law doesn't say:
1) what is porn?
2) what are legal and illegal ways of producing and distributing?

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Davy

Russian don't care about copyrights. You can buy mp3 compilation cds on every corner.
Porn sites have no future in this market, unless they change their copyright practices.
Or unless you find a way to sell memberships to the very exclusive group of rich people.

You are so wrong. Distribution of copyrighted content in Russia is prohibited. You will face up to 6 years in jail for it.

Also what is "a group of rich people"? Almost every Russian spends 100's of dollars every month on various mobile content such as "ringtones", "pictures", "themes", "java games", "sms chats" etc...

[Lamis]

No thanks, too many cheaters there...

a great example is the fucking "gatorsss"....

[just a punk]

Do you know that Russia has 101% of mobile phones users? I.e. the number of mobile phones here is more than all population of the country (some ppl. just have more than one phone). That's why almost everyone here is trying to make their paid mobile services, e.g.: "wanna this song on your phone? send us an sms!", "wanna chat with girls? send us an sms!", "wanna speak to a sexy woman? call this short number..", "wanna vote for a participant of this TV show? send us an sms", "wanna get access to our site? send us an sms" and so on and so on...

[Violetta]

It would be nice to get a bigger piece of the russian market...

[Zango]

fuck those funny looking scammers. keep your eyes on China. what that market opens, some of us are going to cash in bigtime.

[The Judge]

Yeah, big time.... you'll all starve when half a million Chinese webmasters start promoting porn.

People(?) with DNA that originates in the Asian continent are good at selling but as surfers they don't buy shit.

Originally Posted by Zango

fuck those funny looking scammers. keep your eyes on China. what that market opens, some of us are going to cash in bigtime.

[The Judge]

"Almost every Russian spends 100's of dollars every month on various mobile content such as "ringtones", "pictures", "themes", "java games", "sms chats" etc"

Yes, almost every Russian 99% can't put food on the table and 1% has billions.

Originally Posted by cyberxxx

You are so wrong. Distribution of copyrighted content in Russia is prohibited. You will face up to 6 years in jail for it.

Also what is "a group of rich people"? Almost every Russian spends 100's of dollars every month on various mobile content such as "ringtones", "pictures", "themes", "java games", "sms chats" etc...

[Peace]

Originally Posted by Antonio

do you still pay $400-500 per month for broadband Internet access?

Then there's no hope unless you sell pics for cellphone wallpapers I guess, everything in porn today is about movies...

I think even 30-40$

[DigitalDruid]

Very interesting thread

[woj]

Originally Posted by RedGlamourStudio

around 25$ for 3000\1000 unlim + 26 chanells of digital tv

oh, no kidding? that's cheaper than US, heh

[CarlosTheGaucho]

Originally Posted by The Judge

"Almost every Russian spends 100's of dollars every month on various mobile content such as "ringtones", "pictures", "themes", "java games", "sms chats" etc"

Yes, almost every Russian 99% can't put food on the table and 1% has billions.

This is just, again - more than a total non sense.

It's many of the world's wealthiest people from out there but, there are these things such as oil in there, does that help?

Don't believe in any official figures about GDP or shit like that, double or triple that and you are more or less in picture.

[StarkReality]

Originally Posted by cyberxxx

You are so wrong. Distribution of copyrighted content in Russia is prohibited. You will face up to 6 years in jail for it.

Yep, but laws in russia are only for the poor...the rest "pays" the right people. It's not like russia has a working legal system, pretty much like the US in the 20s and 30s.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by The Judge

"Almost every Russian spends 100's of dollars every month on various mobile content such as "ringtones", "pictures", "themes", "java games", "sms chats" etc"

Yes, almost every Russian 99% can't put food on the table and 1% has billions.

Just a hint: get a clue and STFU

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by StarkReality

Yep, but laws in russia are only for the poor...the rest "pays" the right people. It's not like russia has a working legal system, pretty much like the US in the 20s and 30s.

Not exactly. Sometimes even a VERY BIG money can't help. e.g.: Khodorkovsky.

[Pics Traffic]

Originally Posted by The Judge

"Almost every Russian spends 100's of dollars every month on various mobile content such as "ringtones", "pictures", "themes", "java games", "sms chats" etc"

Yes, almost every Russian 99% can't put food on the table and 1% has billions.

you're a fucking idiot.

[StarkReality]

Originally Posted by cyberxxx

Not exactly. Sometimes even a VERY BIG money can't help. e.g.: Khodorkovsky.

Agreed, you shouldn't mess with the wrong guys...

[Pics Traffic]

Originally Posted by StarkReality

Yep, but laws in russia are only for the poor...the rest "pays" the right people. It's not like russia has a working legal system, pretty much like the US in the 20s and 30s.

Oh, as if its not true for the US. Enron guys or Martha Steward.. How long did she serve in all-inclusive resort, eh? Remind me what the kid got? The one that did make the calls because his boss told him to do it? Remind me how many thugs Bush pardoned for some hefty “donations” to his party? The only difference between Russia and US is that in Russia its called “bribe”, in the US it’s connections, golf buddies, networking or what ever you want to call it. Same shit.

[emjay]

Nearly twice the size of Canada, Russia is the world?s largest country extending over a vast expanse of Asia and Europe.

It has the world's eight-largest population, with some 142m inhabitants. Further Russian speakers also live in the neighbouring countries that were once part of the USSR, before the Berlin wall fell back in 1989.

The subsequent transformation from communism to capitalism made a handful of tycoons such as ?oligarch? Roman Abramovich very rich indeed - according to Forbes Magazine, he has a net worth of some $18.2 billion, and is now the UK?s richest man.

The disparity between the rich and poor is enormous with the vast majority of Russia still having to survive on pitifully low pay - average monthly wages there last year stood at just 8,162 rubles, or about $285.

However, 16.5% of the population, about 23.7m people, are already online and - as with all developing countries - this figure is expected to continue growing exponentially in the months and years ahead.

Credit card penetration in Russia is low, with ?only about five million active credit-card accounts?, according to Brunswick UBS Warburg. Russians would rather use pre-paid cards, rather than credit cards, especially when buying items online.

Online fraud is still all-too commonplace, with no shortage of opportunists wanting to make a quick buck in this, the new land of corrupt Übercapitalism - where who know is still more important than what you know.

One billing mechanism that is still relatively secure is that of phone billing. Chargebacks here are practically unheard of since failure to pay their phone bill will result in the termination of an essential utility which probably also facilitates their connection to the internet.

Russian is the official language, with knowledge of English is restricted to the educated classes who are a minority - so when pitching these surfers you must do so in their native language. Your phone processor should be able to provide you with the tools to do this ? if not, switch to one that can.

[tranza]

Nice little post there emjay..

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by woj

oh, no kidding? that's cheaper than US, heh

Some examples for you:
http://translate.google.com/translat...&hl=en&ie=UTF8
http://translate.google.com/translat...&hl=en&ie=UTF8
http://translate.google.com/translat...&hl=en&ie=UTF8

All prices there are in rubles. $1 is almost 25 rubles. Do some math

[just a punk]

Just one more link: http://therussiankings.com/ - it's not a my project so do not consider it as a spam. I'm just curious how these guys are making their money if "almost every Russian 99% can't put food on the table and 1% has billions" according to some ignoramus dude who posted here his "genius" comments?

[brandonstills]

Piracy is rampant in Russia. I remember a huge electronics market in Saint Petersburg. They sell tons and tons of CD/DVDs. Costs $2 per DVD. Doesn't matter if there is $2 of content on there or $6000 of software on there. It costs $2. I remember a magazine there called "XAKER" (hacker) that had numerous articles on how to do things like brute force password hacking, how to find free porn, and lots of other things. Russian's aren't used to paying for porn and it's doubtful they will.

I would say that if/when China opens it will be a huge market.