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Old 01-30-2008, 10:37 AM   #1
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Unbelievable FLING stats

Honestly, why do they increase their shave? Do they think we won't notice?


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Old 01-30-2008, 10:39 AM   #2
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wow i haven't looked at my fling stats recently , maybe i should have

Fling 6,273 69 0 $0.00 1:91

WTF ????
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Fling is a great program!

Having said that their stats suck and I know they always don't count sales on the day they are made. It does seem like they eventually catch up since I can have one day with low sales and another abnormally high.
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Well every program shaves from webmasters, it's a normal part of the business model. I accept that.

What I don't accept is programs who constantly increase the amount they shave... particularly if they claim they don't shave in the first place. It's utter nonsense.

I've liked Fling for a long time. I hope they rethink their shaving percentage though.
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Fling is a great program!

Having said that their stats suck and I know they always don't count sales on the day they are made. It does seem like they eventually catch up since I can have one day with low sales and another abnormally high.

Same here....
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wow i haven't looked at my fling stats recently , maybe i should have

Fling 6,273 69 0 $0.00 1:91

WTF ????
Ahh so, as I suspected, it's not just me - it's not just my traffic. They really have increased their shaving percentage. What a shame.
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xxxblackbook is actually a pretty nice looking site , but they have a silly exit console to camsclub
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I don't use them anymore, I use Loaded Cash - XXXBlackBook has worked great for me so far

Still testing them out... I am running parallel campaings with Fling.
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i don't really know if i would blame that on the "shaving". 1:38 for free emails? seems like your traffic is just junk.

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also it is a dating site. sometimes it takes me a couple days with dating sites to start regularly converting signups. that free email ratio is what i would be worried about.
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i don't really know if i would blame that on the "shaving". 1:38 for free emails? seems like your traffic is just junk.
My traffic hasn't changed, it's only increased. But my earnings with Fling have gone way way down. More signups but less conversions.

So I would expect my earnings to increase as my traffic and emails increase. But it's decreased. The only reason for this is that the earnings are being shaved.

It's been a slow process but it's now impossible to ignore. I just can't even consider that the traffic might be shit. Or if shit, no shitter than it used to be.

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i don't really know if i would blame that on the "shaving". 1:38 for free emails? seems like your traffic is just junk.

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also it is a dating site. sometimes it takes me a couple days with dating sites to start regularly converting signups. that free email ratio is what i would be worried about.
The free email ratio to sign-up should be anywhere between 1/20 to 1/25.


My current ratio is 1/16
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Damn I am soooooooo glad I looked here I went from 1:110 to 1:1402 over night and the traffic has picked way up!! Time to look for someone else i guess!
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my best guess would be it's spyware not shaving , but i could be totally wrong.

theres a few really popular "rogue" toolbars out there , some as high as 1&#37; coverage. I wouldnt doubt this is part of the problem.

but it is also up to the sponsor to weed out the spyware affiliates, if they dont they are just shooting themselves in the foot , because eventually affiliates notice something strange going on and move to a new sponsor. then the spyware guy has nothing to "shave/steal/skim" , and the sponsors "wonderboy" sponsor suddenly goes dud.
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my best guess would be it's spyware not shaving , but i could be totally wrong.

theres a few really popular "rogue" toolbars out there , some as high as 1% coverage. I wouldnt doubt this is part of the problem.

but it is also up to the sponsor to weed out the spyware affiliates, if they dont they are just shooting themselves in the foot , because eventually affiliates notice something strange going on and move to a new sponsor. then the spyware guy has nothing to "shave/steal/skim" , and the sponsors "wonderboy" sponsor suddenly goes dud.
I think over looking the fact that once a surfer signs up for free, the conversion rate should 1/20.

Is it possible to hijack a free member once he signs up under you?
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Why does everyone throw the "shave" word around so much? What do they have to gain from shaving your joins, it is not in their best interest, you'll just send your traffic elsewhere. RK/BB do not need to start shaving everyone who sends them 2000 hits for that quick buck.
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The free email ratio to sign-up should be anywhere between 1/20 to 1/25.


My current ratio is 1/16


i generally averge somewhere between 1:12 and 1:17.

depending on trafic source, filtering, etc....

my point is that i think there is something more complex at work there than shaving. people always seem to jump to that as their conclusion instead of taking a good hard at their traffic, filtering methods, posibility of oversaturation in the current demographic, or like smokey said, spyware.
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my best guess would be it's spyware not shaving , but i could be totally wrong.

theres a few really popular "rogue" toolbars out there , some as high as 1% coverage. I wouldnt doubt this is part of the problem.

but it is also up to the sponsor to weed out the spyware affiliates, if they dont they are just shooting themselves in the foot , because eventually affiliates notice something strange going on and move to a new sponsor. then the spyware guy has nothing to "shave/steal/skim" , and the sponsors "wonderboy" sponsor suddenly goes dud.

If the coverage is 1%, most people shouldn't even notice. Even whales doing 100 joins per day would barely notice it.
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i generally averge somewhere between 1:12 and 1:17.

depending on trafic source, filtering, etc....

my point is that i think there is something more complex at work there than shaving. people always seem to jump to that as their conclusion instead of taking a good hard at their traffic, filtering methods, posibility of oversaturation in the current demographic, or like smokey said, spyware.

Can Spyware or any other exploit hijack your free member?
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i'm sure it's possible.

point to be made though, exhaust all other possibilities before doing something rash like accusing a good sponsor of shaving.
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Well every program shaves from webmasters, it's a normal part of the business model. I accept that.

What I don't accept is programs who constantly increase the amount they shave... particularly if they claim they don't shave in the first place. It's utter nonsense.

I've liked Fling for a long time. I hope they rethink their shaving percentage though.
Why do people keep saying this. Not every program shaves, hell I would reason to bet most programs would not even know how to shave on purpose and if they did it, it would be by accident and seen by any and every affiliate that looked and then asked why is there no link code on X page or why is someone elses (house number) affiliate number in the tour.
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I have been getting random exit pop-ups.


Is that normal???
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Totals 56 2 3 $105.00 1:28 1:19

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Why does everyone throw the "shave" word around so much? What do they have to gain from shaving your joins, it is not in their best interest, you'll just send your traffic elsewhere. RK/BB do not need to start shaving everyone who sends them 2000 hits for that quick buck.
yeah because it has nothing to do with the month after xmas when everyone's broke and catching up...
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How can the exit pops be disabled????...... that has kept me from pushing Loaded Cash real heavy as I dont like consoles.
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