Let me show you how GTS screws over webmasters - GoFuckYourself.com

Dirty F · 01-19-2008, 08:52 AM

A small % of the people buying at GTS and Submitpasses buy all their good stuff. With all i mean a few accounts that are worth it. Those spots/passes are sold out all the time for reason. The rest is shit. Thats how they make their real money. Selling to noobs and people who fall for their sneaky tricks. Like lying on the site about traffic numbers and coming to the boards saying things like:
We bought some of our own spots last month and look, we made 10k from those: Insert screenshot. Hit me up now and i'll make you a great deal. And with great deal he means i'm gonna sell you all my shit left overs for 50% off so you think you just made a killer deal but the truth is that spot or pass will send so little traffic you won't even make your money back.

The majority of their spots or submit passes aren't able to send you enough traffic to make your money back or even better make profit. When you ask about it they will tell you your gallery sucks (their standard defense) but if you look at your stats you will notice that gallery simply did not get any traffic. Or at least not enough traffic to make sales.

Last year a buddy of mine bought a Video Post spot for 2k. Hardly any traffic. You'd had to convert 1:30 to make your money back. I was amazed it was so little traffic as GTS mentioned something like 700k uniques or so.
I look up their stats and guess what it was something like 300 or 350k He paid 2000 dollars for that! Basically he got screwed for 1k
I bring it to the boards. Get told to fuck off by them and a week later they make an anouncement that Video Post spots are $500 or whatever cheaper and they adjusted the uniques on their site. See, that's how they work. Don't think they don't know about those numbers, they just leave them on the site till someone mentions it. And then it's like "our bad, we uploaded an old page from 2 years ago".

Now for those who need some facts:

According to GTS:
Madthumbs recieves on average of 824,708 unique visitors daily.
Madthumbs Uniques according to Sextracker: 537,764

According to GTS:
Mark's Bookmarks recieves on average of 638,000 uniques per day.
Mark's Bookmarks Uniques according to Sextracker: 466,240

Video-Post
GTS: 332,412
Sextracker: 128,673

Let's not forget here you're getting screwed for over 50 fucking % when you buy a video post spot for example. Which is insane. You buy a THOUSAND dollar spot and are told the site gets 332k uniques while in reality they get 128k! Thats not just a minor detail. Think about it.

Ampland
GTS: 253,588
Sextracker: 94,959

Etc. I think you get the point.

I think it's amazing that this is happening right under our nose and nobody says a thing about it. We go crazy when someone like cockroach Jimthefiend scams some people for a total of 2000 dollars but thats totally fucking nothing compared to how GTS operates.

Dirty F · 01-19-2008, 08:54 AM

I forgot to mention something that makes thing even worse. Many of those sites skim those gallery spots. So that lowers the chance of getting some traffic even more. You don't see them mention that on GTS. While they should.

cranki · 01-19-2008, 09:14 AM

you got a cool banner there

~Ray · 01-19-2008, 09:18 AM

if you argue with a gts/submitpass rep they will cancel your account which will hurt webmasters profits who use them.

think about it..

cheating? no.

lying? no.

arguing? yes

so now all the webmasters that partner with gts/submitpasses will sell one less pass.

less profit because of an honest webmasters argument... hrm. who's best interest do the really represent? Rub gts/submitpasses the wrong way and they will damage the profit margin of their tgp/mgp partners to make a point for themselves.

CurrentlySober · 01-19-2008, 09:20 AM

siggeth spotteth... well rude not to really...

Dirty F · 01-19-2008, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by AdvertisingSex

if you argue with a gts/submitpass rep they will cancel your account which will hurt webmasters profits who use them.

think about it..

cheating? no.

lying? no.

arguing? yes

so now all the webmasters that partner with gts/submitpasses will sell one less pass.

less profit because of an honest webmasters argument... hrm. who's best interest do the really represent? Rub gts/submitpasses the wrong way and they will damage the profit margin of their tgp/mgp partners to make a point for themselves.

I totally, i mean completely lost you there.

Dirty F · 01-19-2008, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ThatGuyInTheCorner

siggeth spotteth... well rude not to really...

This is not a drama thread so please fuck off everybody with sigspot shit. Just stating some facts.

marketsmart · 01-19-2008, 09:23 AM

gts sucks... i tried them several times and the traffic was junk....

Dirty F · 01-19-2008, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by AdvertisingSex

Rub gts/submitpasses the wrong way and they will damage the profit margin of their tgp/mgp partners to make a point for themselves.

Ah this part i understand

And yes you are right. I said it several times before. Mark surrounds himself with asskissers. He cant stand anything negative towards him or his program. He will ban you, cancel your account or whatever else he can. He's probably bugging the mods on icq right now about this thread. He thinks he's some kind of internet mafia who needs to silence everyone who talks about him.

candyflip · 01-19-2008, 09:28 AM

Amen brother.

~Ray · 01-19-2008, 09:29 AM

what I meant was...

if the tgp's and mgp's, who partner with gts/submitpasses, rely on submitpasses/gts to sell packages. then, everytime gts/submitpasses cancels an honest webmaster's account for arguing, they take away that pass (profit) of the tgp's/mgp's they are supposed to be selling passes for.

they choose to hurt their tgp/mgp partners profit potential to fight personal battles.

hateman · 01-19-2008, 09:35 AM

Seriuos business.

JFK · 01-19-2008, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ThatGuyInTheCorner

siggeth spotteth... well rude not to really...

agree

Jman · 01-19-2008, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by JFK

agree

yup pretty much the only thing to do in threads like these made by idiots is a siggy spot

Violetta · 01-19-2008, 10:02 AM

thanks for sharing... I have never used gts before, but nice to know

iMind · 01-19-2008, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Jean-Francois

yup pretty much the only thing to do in threads like these made by idiots is a siggy spot

#1 Example ass kisser

Pull your french asskissing lips off DH's nut sack Jman

Slap Dot · 01-19-2008, 10:05 AM

Hard to put this type of program down on GFY because he has so many friends that don't use his service.

candyflip · 01-19-2008, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iMind

#1 Example ass kisser

Pull your french asskissing lips off DH's nut sack Jman

He likes the taste and smell.

Snake Doctor · 01-19-2008, 10:14 AM

so you buy spots and don't make your money back, and it's the broker's fault?

This is as bad as the minusonebit thread about how all traffic browkers (his spelling) are crooks because he didn't make his money back from a purchase.

If you buy a full page ad in a newspaper and don't get a return on your investment, is the newspaper screwing you over too?

iMind · 01-19-2008, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

If you buy a full page ad in a newspaper and don't get a return on your investment, is the newspaper screwing you over too?

If that magazine tells you it's circulation is 200% more than it actually is, then yes ;)

Dirty F · 01-19-2008, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

so you buy spots and don't make your money back, and it's the broker's fault?

This is as bad as the minusonebit thread about how all traffic browkers (his spelling) are crooks because he didn't make his money back from a purchase.

If you buy a full page ad in a newspaper and don't get a return on your investment, is the newspaper screwing you over too?

Read again what i wrote and then comment please. Youre COMPLETELY missing what i'm trying to say. I wonder why because i made it really fucking clear.

candyflip · 01-19-2008, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

so you buy spots and don't make your money back, and it's the broker's fault?

This is as bad as the minusonebit thread about how all traffic browkers (his spelling) are crooks because he didn't make his money back from a purchase.

If you buy a full page ad in a newspaper and don't get a return on your investment, is the newspaper screwing you over too?

If they tell you circulation is 500k when it's actually only 250k, would put them in a lot of hot water.

Dirty F · 01-19-2008, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jean-Francois

yup pretty much the only thing to do in threads like these made by idiots is a siggy spot

Do you have no shame whatsoever? Just like Phoenix you kiss so much ass it's sickening. Why don't you remove your cock from Mark's lips for a minute and look at the FACTS i just posted. If you ignore that and just keep on fingering Mark's asshole then you are the real idiot here.

Snake Doctor · 01-19-2008, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

A small % of the people buying at GTS and Submitpasses buy all their good stuff. With all i mean a few accounts that are worth it. Those spots/passes are sold out all the time for reason. The rest is shit. Thats how they make their real money. Selling to noobs and people who fall for their sneaky tricks. Like lying on the site about traffic numbers and coming to the boards saying things like:
We bought some of our own spots last month and look, we made 10k from those: Insert screenshot. Hit me up now and i'll make you a great deal. And with great deal he means i'm gonna sell you all my shit left overs for 50% off so you think you just made a killer deal but the truth is that spot or pass will send so little traffic you won't even make your money back.

The majority of their spots or submit passes aren't able to send you enough traffic to make your money back or even better make profit. When you ask about it they will tell you your gallery sucks (their standard defense) but if you look at your stats you will notice that gallery simply did not get any traffic. Or at least not enough traffic to make sales.

Last year a buddy of mine bought a Video Post spot for 2k. Hardly any traffic. You'd had to convert 1:30 to make your money back. I was amazed it was so little traffic as GTS mentioned something like 700k uniques or so.
I look up their stats and guess what it was something like 300 or 350k He paid 2000 dollars for that! Basically he got screwed for 1k
I bring it to the boards. Get told to fuck off by them and a week later they make an anouncement that Video Post spots are $500 or whatever cheaper and they adjusted the uniques on their site. See, that's how they work. Don't think they don't know about those numbers, they just leave them on the site till someone mentions it. And then it's like "our bad, we uploaded an old page from 2 years ago".

Now for those who need some facts:

According to GTS:
Madthumbs recieves on average of 824,708 unique visitors daily.
Madthumbs Uniques according to Sextracker: 537,764

According to GTS:
Mark's Bookmarks recieves on average of 638,000 uniques per day.
Mark's Bookmarks Uniques according to Sextracker: 466,240

Video-Post
GTS: 332,412
Sextracker: 128,673

Let's not forget here you're getting screwed for over 50 fucking % when you buy a video post spot for example. Which is insane. You buy a THOUSAND dollar spot and are told the site gets 332k uniques while in reality they get 128k! Thats not just a minor detail. Think about it.

Ampland
GTS: 253,588
Sextracker: 94,959

Etc. I think you get the point.

I think it's amazing that this is happening right under our nose and nobody says a thing about it. We go crazy when someone like cockroach Jimthefiend scams some people for a total of 2000 dollars but thats totally fucking nothing compared to how GTS operates.

The highlighted part actually highlights your problem.
Instead of trying to work out a deal with them, you come to the boards to create drama and tell people they're ripping you off.

Then you have a look of amazement on your face when they tell you to go fuck yourself.

I've bought spots that didn't work out before, contacted them after a few days and told them what my issues were, and in some cases received a full refund.
Of course you have to do this after a few days, you can't let the whole month run and THEN go complain. It doesn't work that way.

Unfortunately people like you are more interested in creating drama and trying to make people look bad than you are in actually making money.

Dirty F · 01-19-2008, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

The highlighted part actually highlights your problem.
Instead of trying to work out a deal with them, you come to the boards to create drama and tell people they're ripping you off.

Fuck, you are an annoying idiot. First of all, GTS their way of solving things is ban you, cancel your account, tell you to fuck off or usually in the first place tell you your gallery sucks. As i said, Mark doesn't like anything negative. He will silence it.

2nd, thanks to me for bringing it to the boards the price dropped a few days later and they adjusted the amount of uniques they listed for the site. Thats the only way to do it with scum like that because if you do it in private they will ignore it.

3rd: I didn't start drama. I discussed it. I searched it up for you. This is what i said:

"Just wondering, is there anybody who still makes profit from it?

I was checking prices and Alexa and i noticed when GTS came up with 2k for a top 10 spot the site got twice as much traffic. Now with half the traffic the price is still at 2k.

Since i kinda now what numbers of visitors you get from those listings as someone i know has a top spot and i had partner passes in the past it seems near impossible to make that 2k back, let alone making profit.

Can someone prove me wrong? I'm really curious."

Is that starting drama you faggot? Or is that discussing a webmaster related topic on a webmaster board.

4th: Stfu because you are a clueless idiot who's just trying to attack me while in the meantime ignoring that GTS is screwing people over big time.

Now piss off.

TheSenator · 01-19-2008, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

The highlighted part actually highlights your problem.
Instead of trying to work out a deal with them, you come to the boards to create drama and tell people they're ripping you off.

Then you have a look of amazement on your face when they tell you to go fuck yourself.

I've bought spots that didn't work out before, contacted them after a few days and told them what my issues were, and in some cases received a full refund.
Of course you have to do this after a few days, you can't let the whole month run and THEN go complain. It doesn't work that way.

Unfortunately people like you are more interested in creating drama and trying to make people look bad than you are in actually making money.

Why would GTS inflate numbers so high?
http://gallerytrafficservice.com/sit...%20Of%20Thumbs
http://www.libraryofthumbs.com/
"110,000 visitors per day"

I don't think so.
The site has approx. 40,000 visitors per day.

Snake Doctor · 01-19-2008, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

4th: Stfu because you are a clueless idiot who's just trying to attack me while in the meantime ignoring that GTS is screwing people over big time.

Now piss off.

Yeah I only spend about 10K a month in paid TGP spots, I really have no idea what I'm talking about when it comes to this subject.

I don't kiss GTS's ass, they kiss mine. Got it?

You on the other hand obviously have an agenda and will say just about anything to try and make Mark and crew look bad.
If you can't make any money on paid gallery spots or submit passes, then don't use them. You don't have to piss all over the people who sell them.

If they were really "ripping everyone off" or "screwing everyone over" then they wouldn't still be in business.

Now why don't you spend the rest of your Saturday playing with the other kids on the playground instead of sitting on dad's computer and trying to act like a grownup.

Pornopat · 01-19-2008, 10:48 AM

I always make a profit on video-post spots.
I never really check for quantity. quality is what matters to me and video-post has very high quality traffic. What did your buddy try to sell that he did so bad?

Dirty F · 01-19-2008, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

Yeah I only spend about 10K a month in paid TGP spots, I really have no idea what I'm talking about when it comes to this subject.

I don't kiss GTS's ass, they kiss mine. Got it?

You on the other hand obviously have an agenda and will say just about anything to try and make Mark and crew look bad.
If you can't make any money on paid gallery spots or submit passes, then don't use them. You don't have to piss all over the people who sell them.

If they were really "ripping everyone off" or "screwing everyone over" then they wouldn't still be in business.

Now why don't you spend the rest of your Saturday playing with the other kids on the playground instead of sitting on dad's computer and trying to act like a grownup.

What part doesnt your tiny brain understand?

Now for those who need some facts:

According to GTS:
Madthumbs recieves on average of 824,708 unique visitors daily.
Madthumbs Uniques according to Sextracker: 537,764

According to GTS:
Mark's Bookmarks recieves on average of 638,000 uniques per day.
Mark's Bookmarks Uniques according to Sextracker: 466,240

Video-Post
GTS: 332,412
Sextracker: 128,673

Let's not forget here you're getting screwed for over 50 fucking % when you buy a video post spot for example. Which is insane. You buy a THOUSAND dollar spot and are told the site gets 332k uniques while in reality they get 128k! Thats not just a minor detail. Think about it.

Ampland
GTS: 253,588
Sextracker: 94,959

Dirty F · 01-19-2008, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pornopat

I always make a profit on video-post spots.
I never really check for quantity. quality is what matters to me and video-post has very high quality traffic. What did your buddy try to sell that he did so bad?

The point of the thread is they lie on their site about traffic numbers. Big time. There is a huge difference between a 300k and a 150k site. It means you get ripped off for 50%. You pay a certain amount for a 300k site and not a 150k site.

I'm not sure why i'm explaining this again.

Dirty F · 01-19-2008, 10:53 AM

Waiting for Phoenix to come in to tell Mark "not to listen to the haters" also ignoring everything else.

pip · 01-19-2008, 10:54 AM

I recently spent just over 8k on traffic, I was gonna invest in 5k with GTS, but I did some searches, and nothing but negative stuff has been said about them.

Thanks for the post.

Pipecrew · 01-19-2008, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F

What part doesnt your tiny brain understand?

Now for those who need some facts:

According to GTS:
Madthumbs recieves on average of 824,708 unique visitors daily.
Madthumbs Uniques according to Sextracker: 537,764

According to GTS:
Mark's Bookmarks recieves on average of 638,000 uniques per day.
Mark's Bookmarks Uniques according to Sextracker: 466,240

Video-Post
GTS: 332,412
Sextracker: 128,673

Let's not forget here you're getting screwed for over 50 fucking % when you buy a video post spot for example. Which is insane. You buy a THOUSAND dollar spot and are told the site gets 332k uniques while in reality they get 128k! Thats not just a minor detail. Think about it.

Ampland
GTS: 253,588
Sextracker: 94,959

Hey Franck, I have access to the numbers on madthumbs and they are definitely a lot higher than what sextracker is posting. I am going off atx and actual server stats.

Dirty F · 01-19-2008, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pornopat

I always make a profit on video-post spots.
I never really check for quantity. quality is what matters to me and video-post has very high quality traffic. What did your buddy try to sell that he did so bad?

Btw, are you talking about top 10 spots or submit passes. A year or 2 or 3 ago i had a submit pass there and it was really good. Really worth the money but then the site also had 4 times more traffic as it has now. I'm not sure how you can make profit from a top 10 spot there. Actually, now it's 1k (but also less traffic) but when my buddy bought the spot it was 2k. And you ask me what did he try to sell. That doesnt really matter because the clicks to the gallery itself were just not enough to make any profit. Unless the site pays 100 pps or rebills for 6 months or converts 1:30 or so.

Based on that i think it was near impossible to make profit during that time. It might have changed now.

howard · 01-19-2008, 11:38 AM

Hey GTS ---can I please be you or speak for you---please---please--- please

This really looks like fun. Congratulations on all the business you will get out of this...

Come on guys dont be pussies.....This can be a really funny....

Kram · 01-19-2008, 11:39 AM

I have bought spots before only to find out that the sites won't list karups content so it was a total waste of time ...

GTS Mark · 01-19-2008, 11:39 AM

Oh god what is the cry baby Franck saying now? LOL!

If anyone has questions or concerns about the traffic numbers that are posted on GTS please contact anyone of our sales people or me directly. Traffic fluxuations happen everyday, we try our best to keep up with the updates but when you have over 100 sites to sell advertising for you would need a full time person just to check sites and do updates. If anyone could suggest a script to do these updates for us automatically I am all ears and would love suggestions.

Franck if you spent 10% of the time you actually spent bashing on GTS and spent on your own initiatives you MIGHT actually be a successful webmaster.

DH

GTS Mark · 01-19-2008, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Kram

I have bought spots before only to find out that the sites won't list karups content so it was a total waste of time ...

Hi Kram, would you mind giving me a shout. This is the first I have heard of this? ICQ 5191566

Thanks,
DH

GTS Mark · 01-19-2008, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by howard

Hey GTS ---can I please be you or speak for you---please---please--- please

This really looks like fun. Congratulations on all the business you will get out of this...

Come on guys dont be pussies.....This can be a really funny....

LOL! Hey Howard, how did the blackjack tables at the Palms treat you? You looked like you were handing them an ass beating last time i walked by

howard · 01-19-2008, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST

LOL! Hey Howard, how did the blackjack tables at the Palms treat you? You looked like you were handing them an ass beating last time i walked by

ARe you fucking kidding me....You never passed me during the 10 down times...not good---glad its 1 or 2 times year or I would be living with Dirty F

GTS Mark · 01-19-2008, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart

gts sucks... i tried them several times and the traffic was junk....

Don't even start with me, you don't even work in this industry anymore do you? Last time I heard you ran off for "mainstream" because it was so much more profitable. Yeah right... You just hang out here for the "sport" right? Sleazydream wannabe motherfucker. Sleazy has 100x more class then your un-origional ass.

Should I post screenshots of our ICQ conversation where you tried to extort P2PADS of our popup technology. Maybe you forgot about that, I didn't...

Keep going fucktard, I have your number.

DH

Fluid · 01-19-2008, 11:57 AM

Fank, where are you getting these stats out of Sex Tracker?
Because their ranking shows your numbers are WILDLY inaccurate.
I'm going to tell you what I tell a lot of my customers, for updated statistics please visit this page http://ranks.sextracker.com/spn.html...se&pg=0-0.html

I might bring your attention to the video post site you underestimated by half, and the Ampland site that you underestimated by about the same!!!

Steve Awesome · 01-19-2008, 12:09 PM

Good thread unlike the "what are you doing right now" bullshit that pervades here.

WiredGuy · 01-19-2008, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Pipecrew

Hey Franck, I have access to the numbers on madthumbs and they are definitely a lot higher than what sextracker is posting. I am going off atx and actual server stats.

Exactly... I doubt these sites are going by their Sextracker stats and going by the inhouse numbers that they're reporting to GTS to publish. If they're lying, then its the site owner who's skewing the numbers and not GTS. GTS is just a middle man, they broker the sales, you really need to hold the site owners accountable and not the broker here...
WG

Jman · 01-19-2008, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Exactly... I doubt these sites are going by their Sextracker stats and going by the inhouse numbers that they're reporting to GTS to publish. If they're lying, then its the site owner who's skewing the numbers and not GTS. GTS is just a middle man, they broker the sales, you really need to hold the site owners accountable and not the broker here...
WG

WiredGuy, we are talking about Franck here. Someone with a vendetta.

Trying to talk sense into Franck is like trying to teach a rock to play backgammon... Won't happen.

Dirty F · 01-19-2008, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Exactly... I doubt these sites are going by their Sextracker stats and going by the inhouse numbers that they're reporting to GTS to publish. If they're lying, then its the site owner who's skewing the numbers and not GTS. GTS is just a middle man, they broker the sales, you really need to hold the site owners accountable and not the broker here...
WG

FACT IS many sites have still the amount of uniques listed next to them that they got a year or 2 years ago. They, for obvious reasons never bothered to change it. Thats a shit way to do business.

Dirty F · 01-19-2008, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fluid

Fank, where are you getting these stats out of Sex Tracker?
Because their ranking shows your numbers are WILDLY inaccurate.
I'm going to tell you what I tell a lot of my customers, for updated statistics please visit this page http://ranks.sextracker.com/spn.html...se&pg=0-0.html

I might bring your attention to the video post site you underestimated by half, and the Ampland site that you underestimated by about the same!!!

I got them directly from that page 2 mins before i made this post.

Dirty F · 01-19-2008, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Exactly... I doubt these sites are going by their Sextracker stats and going by the inhouse numbers that they're reporting to GTS to publish. If they're lying, then its the site owner who's skewing the numbers and not GTS. GTS is just a middle man, they broker the sales, you really need to hold the site owners accountable and not the broker here...
WG

Thats why after i mentioned on gfy that they showed the same numbers as a year earlier for videopost they changed it a few days later and dropped the price.

Right Charles? They did that because i was wrong?

Just keep on:

hateman · 01-19-2008, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pipecrew

Hey Franck, I have access to the numbers on madthumbs and they are definitely a lot higher than what sextracker is posting. I am going off atx and actual server stats.

ATX stats suck.

They count evey page reload as a "hit".

You can not figure out Unique visitors from ATX stats.

WiredGuy · 01-19-2008, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F

FACT IS many sites have still the amount of uniques listed next to them that they got a year or 2 years ago. They, for obvious reasons never bothered to change it. Thats a shit way to do business.

'they' as in gts or 'they' as in the site owners? I get the impression the burden here is on the site owners to update the numbers, not gts.
WG

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01-19-2008, 09:29 AM	#11
~Ray visit hardlinks.org Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Las Vegas , Nv >>> [email protected] or icq 94994627 anytime Posts: 18,362	what I meant was... if the tgp's and mgp's, who partner with gts/submitpasses, rely on submitpasses/gts to sell packages. then, everytime gts/submitpasses cancels an honest webmaster's account for arguing, they take away that pass (profit) of the tgp's/mgp's they are supposed to be selling passes for. they choose to hurt their tgp/mgp partners profit potential to fight personal battles. __________________ Adult Backlinks for Adult Websites - Testimonials Available

01-19-2008, 10:02 AM	#15
Violetta Affiliate Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 28,735	thanks for sharing... I have never used gts before, but nice to know __________________ M&A Queen

01-19-2008, 08:52 AM	#1
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	Let me show you how GTS screws over webmasters A small % of the people buying at GTS and Submitpasses buy all their good stuff. With all i mean a few accounts that are worth it. Those spots/passes are sold out all the time for reason. The rest is shit. Thats how they make their real money. Selling to noobs and people who fall for their sneaky tricks. Like lying on the site about traffic numbers and coming to the boards saying things like: We bought some of our own spots last month and look, we made 10k from those: Insert screenshot. Hit me up now and i'll make you a great deal. And with great deal he means i'm gonna sell you all my shit left overs for 50% off so you think you just made a killer deal but the truth is that spot or pass will send so little traffic you won't even make your money back. The majority of their spots or submit passes aren't able to send you enough traffic to make your money back or even better make profit. When you ask about it they will tell you your gallery sucks (their standard defense) but if you look at your stats you will notice that gallery simply did not get any traffic. Or at least not enough traffic to make sales. Last year a buddy of mine bought a Video Post spot for 2k. Hardly any traffic. You'd had to convert 1:30 to make your money back. I was amazed it was so little traffic as GTS mentioned something like 700k uniques or so. I look up their stats and guess what it was something like 300 or 350k He paid 2000 dollars for that! Basically he got screwed for 1k I bring it to the boards. Get told to fuck off by them and a week later they make an anouncement that Video Post spots are $500 or whatever cheaper and they adjusted the uniques on their site. See, that's how they work. Don't think they don't know about those numbers, they just leave them on the site till someone mentions it. And then it's like "our bad, we uploaded an old page from 2 years ago". Now for those who need some facts: According to GTS: Madthumbs recieves on average of 824,708 unique visitors daily. Madthumbs Uniques according to Sextracker: 537,764 According to GTS: Mark's Bookmarks recieves on average of 638,000 uniques per day. Mark's Bookmarks Uniques according to Sextracker: 466,240 Video-Post GTS: 332,412 Sextracker: 128,673 Let's not forget here you're getting screwed for over 50 fucking % when you buy a video post spot for example. Which is insane. You buy a THOUSAND dollar spot and are told the site gets 332k uniques while in reality they get 128k! Thats not just a minor detail. Think about it. Ampland GTS: 253,588 Sextracker: 94,959 Etc. I think you get the point. I think it's amazing that this is happening right under our nose and nobody says a thing about it. We go crazy when someone like cockroach Jimthefiend scams some people for a total of 2000 dollars but thats totally fucking nothing compared to how GTS operates.

01-19-2008, 08:54 AM	#2
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	I forgot to mention something that makes thing even worse. Many of those sites skim those gallery spots. So that lowers the chance of getting some traffic even more. You don't see them mention that on GTS. While they should.

01-19-2008, 09:14 AM	#3
cranki Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Café del Mar Posts: 5,162	you got a cool banner there

01-19-2008, 09:23 AM	#8
marketsmart HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sunnybrook Institution for the Criminally Insane Posts: 20,419	gts sucks... i tried them several times and the traffic was junk....

01-19-2008, 09:35 AM	#12
hateman So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,623	Seriuos business.

01-19-2008, 10:05 AM	#17
Slap Dot Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: BASS Posts: 3,168	Hard to put this type of program down on GFY because he has so many friends that don't use his service. __________________ » AIM: slapdotted » Skype: slapdot » ICQ: 190444

01-19-2008, 10:14 AM	#19
Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	so you buy spots and don't make your money back, and it's the broker's fault? This is as bad as the minusonebit thread about how all traffic browkers (his spelling) are crooks because he didn't make his money back from a purchase. If you buy a full page ad in a newspaper and don't get a return on your investment, is the newspaper screwing you over too? __________________ sig too big

01-19-2008, 10:48 AM	#28
Pornopat AdultTubeSubmits.com Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 10,598	I always make a profit on video-post spots. I never really check for quantity. quality is what matters to me and video-post has very high quality traffic. What did your buddy try to sell that he did so bad? __________________ https://stripcash.com/sign-up/?userI...fff832eb95ab6a

01-19-2008, 10:53 AM	#31
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	Waiting for Phoenix to come in to tell Mark "not to listen to the haters" also ignoring everything else.

01-19-2008, 10:54 AM	#32
pip So Fucking Banned Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Netherlands Posts: 468	I recently spent just over 8k on traffic, I was gonna invest in 5k with GTS, but I did some searches, and nothing but negative stuff has been said about them. Thanks for the post.

01-19-2008, 11:38 AM	#35
howard Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: phila Posts: 1,827	Hey GTS ---can I please be you or speak for you---please---please--- please This really looks like fun. Congratulations on all the business you will get out of this... Come on guys dont be pussies.....This can be a really funny.... __________________ perkissmedia.com [email protected] 318621803 perkymon993 Skype

01-19-2008, 11:39 AM	#36
Kram Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 666	I have bought spots before only to find out that the sites won't list karups content so it was a total waste of time ...

01-19-2008, 11:39 AM	#37
GTS Mark Vrume Mark Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 20,912	Oh god what is the cry baby Franck saying now? LOL! If anyone has questions or concerns about the traffic numbers that are posted on GTS please contact anyone of our sales people or me directly. Traffic fluxuations happen everyday, we try our best to keep up with the updates but when you have over 100 sites to sell advertising for you would need a full time person just to check sites and do updates. If anyone could suggest a script to do these updates for us automatically I am all ears and would love suggestions. Franck if you spent 10% of the time you actually spent bashing on GTS and spent on your own initiatives you MIGHT actually be a successful webmaster. DH

01-19-2008, 11:57 AM	#42
Fluid Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Toronto Canada Posts: 380	Fank, where are you getting these stats out of Sex Tracker? Because their ranking shows your numbers are WILDLY inaccurate. I'm going to tell you what I tell a lot of my customers, for updated statistics please visit this page http://ranks.sextracker.com/spn.html...se&pg=0-0.html I might bring your attention to the video post site you underestimated by half, and the Ampland site that you underestimated by about the same!!! Last edited by Fluid; 01-19-2008 at 11:59 AM..

01-19-2008, 12:09 PM	#43
Steve Awesome Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Mid-West! Posts: 1,575	Good thread unlike the "what are you doing right now" bullshit that pervades here. __________________ *The AbbieCash Porn Network. Billing processing by CCBILL. Join our affiliate program today*. RealDollSex \| AbbieTeen \| GamerChicks \| ModelTexans \| HottieCams Nintendo 3DS Porn Blog \| Steve's Adult Industry Blog \| Abbie Bueller's Porn Blog