After Shock Media

Switch the words swap meet to pawnshop and watch how the law suddenly changes. Tube sites are not swap meets. Tube sites hide behind a small loophole that if they can say "it is to hard for us to patrol what users upload" then you are not legally responsible for the time being of having the content up there on the first warning.

I know people think this industry is just about keyboard warriors and threats. Personally I can give a rats ass about those thoughts. Laws will change, hope you are ready to evolve or die just as well. Specially if either your loophole vanishes or that if by some chance you are required by law to keep a verified list of everyone that uploads material to your site so that the rightful owners can go after the thieves.

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Our tube was one of the only ones that gave Webmasters the chance to send our traffics to their sponsors. So yeah I'm bitter.

People look at us like we're the mother of the antichrist or something. Megarotic is just lauging their asses off, not willing to work with you. Call the office, tell me what you want to do, and for the most part its done.
Want advertising? Done.
Want to do VOD? Done.
Want traffic? Done.
Want no more of your content on our networks? Done.

People here get all flustered about stolen content that they dont even know whats out there. Rapidshare (full length DVDs) Megaupload, and the other flavours of it. Megarotic steals your WHOLE MEMEBER SECTIONS and sells a membership. LOL But you're mad at me? Torrents, you cant even track the people for gods sake. Newsgroups, P2P. The list is huge. Your content is out there, stolen by your customers. What did you think was oging to happen?

Question is what will you do, sit back and cry or take action. If you take action against me, then have fun with that. But if you civilly call me and say, no more of my content on your site, then its done. End of story. I have almost never gotten a call from most of your complaining about your content. Its just kinda funny. I sound bitter.
You guys sound like old bitties

tony286

Have you ever created anything to have it used without your permission for someone to make money with? If you ever created anything you would understand.

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god you're a moron.

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This thread should be evidence.

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Just_in_Support

You like your little fishes???
Yeah, Im the moron.<><

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you prob don't even know what a <>< is.

back to tech school for you minimum wage boy.

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Just_in_Support

No, thats because XTube doesn't leave there script wide open for the whole world to download for a piddly 39.99....
So yeah no
Here's one, have you ever answered a question I directed to the boards? No never really say anything further than this little speil, and " ZOMG the I found bangbros on XTube" debacle you had a couple weeks ago

https://gfy.com/13499878-post29.html
https://gfy.com/13499878-post29.html

fuckingfuck

It's funny that this idiot is making fun other people's traffic...

Idiot... would your site have that much traffic if you weren't hosting all that stolen content?

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xNetworx

Amateur Night in this thread

<><

i think jimthefiend was better at affiliate relations than you.

if you don't need webmasters get the fuck off our board. you don't need us. no reason for you to be here.

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Just_in_Support

So seriously though, if you are a program owner with the rights to your content and want to promote on XTube, call the office. We will only have one webmaster account to run things from.

tony286

you didnt answer my question have you ever created something? Something of value that you busted your ass on and then someone else used it to make money without your permission? Please dont dance any its yes or no
Also if your going to quote me go alittle futher to when I said I was sorry
https://gfy.com/13499958-post43.html
See thats what a real man does when he is wrong, he doesnt make bullshit excuses.

Brujah

Why are you bitter at these people? Was one of them in particular responsible for bringing heat on you?

Is it based on a lawsuit? The threat of a lawsuit? Why would you not be more like the rest of the tube or torrent sites, unless you had specific reason to do so that made sense to you?

Then if it made sense enough to you, why be bitter about it?

No offense, but it gives the impression that you were doing something wrong, and you're upset that you got caught doing it and had to make a change. Maybe you weren't large enough that you could afford to take the heat? I don't know. I'm not as familiar with the situation as some of the others here might be.

I wouldn't blame it on the people (sponsor) whose content was stolen. If you're going to run a Tube site you need to have some risk assessment I would guess, and this should at the very minimum include regularly policing your site against content from litigious companies.

I mean afterall, having Titan Media content on the site? That'd be someone to keep off the site.

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Just_in_Support

Tony, the answer is no. The XTube script has never been stolen.Thats because XTube doesn't leave there script wide open for the whole world to download for a piddly 39.99

Tony honestly, think this through. You close all tube sites, right. Not a problem for me, life goes on. Guess what, your member section is still gaping like a Jenna's vag.
At least you got rid of one "evil" but
what about rapidshare, tony?
what about torrents tony?
what about megarotic tony
what about newsgroups tony?
what about P2P tony?
what about stolen member sections tony?
You havent solved you're core problem. and you're content you worked so hard to produce is well, out there.
Seems like you really dont care about your content.
You want to hate on us because thieves steal your stuff thats fine.
But your cash, traffic, or any problems tubes sites have "caused" you will not go away...
Like i said DRM, and we're all happy

papill0n

Moronic statement of the year for 2008.

tony286

You didnt create xtube first off. So you cant relate about being ripped off. We both know tubes are catching on quicker and used more because they are much easier to access. I dont hate you,your a cog in the machine spouting the party line. Im sure you were raised to know right from wrong.

Just_in_Support

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Yeah ben...you dont need DRM
Im the Idiot, next!

CB_Voyta

Wow, I really hate to say shit about people on this forum, but I think you are just an asshole for saying this. I personally think if you used your brains you would have implemented some sort of a moderating system.

I really hope this costs you a few dollars.

papill0n

Dude I don't know if you are extremely naive, an idiot, 16, or what?????

You are using pathetic excuses to justify you profiting from content theft.

You think because someone else steals something it is ok for anyone else to steal?? You don't honestly believe that do you?

Pistol

You're a self-righteous liar.

We have told your company to take down one of our videos 4 times now. The last time was 14th of January and it's still there:

http://video.xtube.com/watch.php?cv=...cl=yu6WxERCOO-

Whatever you say this is evidence that you're totally full of it.

May this be the beginning of the end for you - you have cost my company and my affiliates too much money.

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you guys, this guy is just another throw away. xtube threw him in here to get chewed up by the lions. his knowledge on this business is less than someone like jtf or scottybuzz. he doesn't know the "traffics" game (lol) any better than a newbie wm with a wordpress blog and a "seo for champs" software toolkit. don't waste your time on him.

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you guys, this guy is just another throw away. xtube threw him in here to get chewed up by the lions. his knowledge on this business is less than someone like jtf or scottybuzz. he doesn't know the "traffics" game (lol) any better than a newbie wm with a wordpress blog and a "seo for champs" software toolkit. don't waste your time on him.

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Pistol

You're a self-righteous liar.

We have told your company to take down one of our videos 4 times now. The last time was 14th of January and it's still there:

http://video.xtube.com/watch.php?cv=...cl=yu6WxERCOO-

Whatever you say this is evidence that you're totally full of it.

May this be the beginning of the end for you - you have cost my company and my affiliates too much money.

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Just_in_Support

Ben, we both know you didnt answer the question. I put this clearly. I said DRM. You said I'm an Idiot. I found a full length porn scene stolen that could have been prevented by DRM.

The plain question is, Ben:
Do you need DRM.
If you say no, then who's really niave.
i dont have to justify theft of any kind, because the staff here at XTube do not promote it. If you guys have DRM, it would make our lives a whole lot simpler.

ultimatebbwdotcom

So what youre saying is that because your business model only works because company employees and users can upload our content that they've stolen - we need to change our business models...because you cant stop using things that dont belong to you.

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BlackCrayon

DRm turns off members, so what to do then?

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Just_in_Support

Uh Pistol, are we using the same site here?
http://video.xtube.com/watch.php?cv=...cl=yu6WxERCOO-

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fuckingfuck

WOW you're such a liar.

I checked this link when it was posted 5 mins ago and I could watch it:
http://video.xtube.com/watch.php?cv=...cl=yu6WxERCOO-

You removed it now but try to fool us like as if you removed it a week ago.

Big time liar.

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papill0n

stfu about DRM and get busy removing all the stolen content on your site that your traffic keeps returning to view

pocketkangaroo

This is the funniest shit I've ever seen. When was the last time you were on your own website? Almost everyone of the most viewed videos are stolen commercial content. People come to your site to view the stolen content for free. There are a lot of idiots on this board that will buy your "we aren't dependent on webmaster uploads" bullshit, but most will not. Once you guys delete all the stolen content, your traffic will go to shit. I guarantee it.

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you're the most uneducated affiliate rep in the universe. shut the fuck up about drm and other things you know jack shit about and get to removing all the commercial shit you "don't want on your site anyhow", like your nitwit boss said the other day.

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No wonder you guys got knocked out at Internext

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papill0n

Upton knew what he was talking about

Tom_PM

Didnt read the whole thread, but from what I gather a prevailing theme here is that the model is based on inevitability. Well, if I walked up my road and pulled on the doorhandles of every car, I guarantee you that some of them are unlocked with no alarms. So what.
Whats the next theory.

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the theory is that you then hop in the car, hotwire it, break the steering lock, drive off and then use it for a taxi to make money for the next two years... and when someone says "yo, what the fuck are you doing?" - you say: "well duh, the door was unlocked... you had to expect me to steal it and make money with it... so i really don't get why you're upset" and then you're all clear. you will have no problems because apparently its not illegal to steal a car and use it for your own taxi business, if the door was unlocked.

its a good model... from there, i you can keep using that same logic and find locked cars... break into them and explain its ok because it didn't have a car alarm.

find a car thats locked and has a good car alarm, you can break into the car, disable the alarm and blame them for not having a better car alarm.

basically, you're always ok as long as you have some dumb way to shift blame while ignoring the obvious fact that you are breaking many many laws.

seeric

oh boy.


what a trainwreck.

bhutocracy

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rowan

Is this guy actually an employee, or a great troll?

L-Pink

Yea but first the owner has to see you driving his stolen car then send you a letter asking if you will please return it.

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Paul Markham

Reading this thread and shaking my head.

Just_in_Support if you want to be legal and not have stolen content on your site. Limit the size of the clips, nothing more than 2 minutes should be fine. You could also approve uploaders, surfers uploading full scenes from Bangbus are stealing it.

You don't have the right to profit from it, because someone steals it. I'm assuming surfers are sitting there for hours uploading full scenes just to share porn and not Xtube doing it themselves for profit.

The haters of stolen content. Just_in_Support has a point if you want to protect your content you need to do more than flame on GFY or confront someone at a show.

You need to organise and get behind people who are doing something to stem the flow. You need to cut off the paymasters of Tube sites, dating and cam sites who advertise with them. Even companies who do business with companies who do business with pirates.

In the long run you will not lose business, because a guy does not join AFF he will join Dating Gold. Stop thinking you're making money on impulse buys, happened 10 years ago when a guy discovered there was porn on the Net. Today he's seen the advert of a girl in his town looking to date him 100s of times.

Then we need to be paying attornies to drag uploaders into court and sue their asses. Also the sites that carry the content. To get a list of IP addresses. We need to spend money on making it very unprofitable to run a site that supports pirates. It's the Acacia method, do it our way or spend a fortune in court to stop us putting you our on the street.

I was spending money with APIC, to protect my content, before most of you had an Internet connection. And still support the guys trying to take down the pirated content. Remove Your Content.


And instead of bringing down 2257 you should be supporting it, it can help shut down US based Tube site. Then making sure that it's adopted overseas or a similar law.

A flame on GFY is free, stopping pirates cost money. How many names do I see here not listed on Remove Your Content.


Now you can all flame me as well.

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And just before I forget.

Look at the traffic stats on the Tube sites and you see one trend. They are getting their traffic to stay. Their traffic is rising and rising. Now is this 100% free surfers or is it members traffic? Hard to tell because only the payment processors know for sure. It could be members going for VOD, PPV and trials instead of full memberships or just more sites sharing the same turn over. Payment processors know if revenue in the business is down, level or up. I don't know.

If full memberships are down, because of Tube sites. Then we as an industry have to face it the surfers prefer a shitty Tube site to a $30 for 30 day membership. If the traffic is going to other options then we as an industry need to adapt.

The real shame is the surfers are preferring a shit service, and they are shit, to what we are selling. I'm assuming the PORN industry is suffering from a decline in turn over. Is our product so good, our service so marvellous the surfer prefers a Tube site to us? On the DVD market the reason is simple, for years they went the "Give us more for less" then sold the customer crap for the same price. They offered producers less and less and loaded shelves with more and more titles.

Here we know more about what the affiliates want and willing to give it to them, and let the surfer pay the bill, than we know about what the surfers wants. And please don't tell me he wants it for free. He's just not willing to pay for what we are selling.

We might closed down the Tube sites, but do you think the only way we can get people to buy is by force? You might be surprised about that. If think the surfer is coming back to the 40 videos for $30 sites because he can't get it at a Tube site. You are living in a dream world. The tube sites will buy content, go 100% legal and charge 10 cents a download, OK maybe 50 cents. Remember they don't need to sell $30 memberships.

It's 2008 and we need to rethink our business model, the one we had in 1998 is not working. Throwing more traffic at it is not the solution, converting more is.

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dig420

Eventually the govt. itself will get the tube sites, and some people will get locked up. Maybe JIP. They won't allow copyright violations to go unchecked indefinitely, too many big boys in the straight world don't like that business model.

dig420

In other words, he's broke with a new startup I've never heard of, a WoW site that a million gamers make in their spare time for nothing but pleasure. I'm glad he was smart enough to go back to square one and try again, whereas you most likely will serve time first. Because you don't seem very smart to me.

Unless you count smartASS.

Zorgman

This is exactly why TEVS doesn't allow updates. Fucken surfer upload full length movies and then BAD (yes you Xtube) webmasters accept it without even thinking twice.

I would be happy to see you turn off all submission by everyone and just update the site yourself with your own content that you buy. That way you are the only one that could be blamed if using stolen content. But I dought that would even happen.

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WTF are you talking about that the quality of video on tube sites is shit? The videos are flash, and alot of them are pretty fucking clear and crisp. And can be watched instantly, every niche, etc.


Once a surfer cums he is no longer a potential member. At least not until he's ready to cum again.

Paul Markham

You just hit the fucking nail on the fucking head, on why they go to Tube sites and put up with the bad quality. And they are bad, Tube's can't afford to deliver what membership sites do because of the BW costs.

He wants to jerk off for 20 minutes, you want $30 from him. And do you think he will come back to spending $30 if you close the Tubes?

To sell a product you need to understand the product and the customer.

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Maybe this is the real problem. so many surfers want to come and go and we built a model around him cumming and staying. Or paying as if he's going to stay.

The balance between profit and loss on a Tube site, I imagine, is slim. Would we put them out of business if we sold movies for 50 cents a pop? OK vary the price and package to suit. Take out the buyers from the system and the Tubes might sink.

You can't force surfers to buy.

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collegeboobies

They are probably going to let sponsors submit with urls in it since they already have a shitload of content.