notoldschool

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Socks

Clearly they've loved the past 7-8 years of government and want more of it.

tony286

Its the media , today I was listening to the Glenn Beck show and they were bashing Ron Paul.

Socks

They want more guys like this lying under oath

Even if you don't agree with all of what Ron Paul stands for, an enemy of my enemy is a friend of mine.

12clicks

because its fun watching idiots get behind a fool and then scream "conspiracy" when no else jumps on the idiot wagon.

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notoldschool

would that be the iran threat conspiricy, or the iraq nuclear weapons conspiricy, or would that be the russian and china conspiracy?...
I could go on for days. You are the delusional one.

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Pleasurepays

you have to keep telling yourself that anyone who says "i think Ron Paul is a bit of a kook and his supporters doubly so" equates to "i love Bush and the last 7 years in US Government have been the best ever" because you know you will get destroyed in every argument about Ron Paul, if you can't make it about something else.


here's a bit of news for you... Ron Paul isn't running for president. so the price of tea in China has nothing to do with Paultards.

aico

Ya Ron Paul is a kook, but our current President attacked Iraq because "God told him to"... my vote goes to Ron Paul.

DaddyHalbucks

Ron Paul is too cranky to get elected. He is not likeable enough.

Sadly, that is how most voters decide. It is not so much on the issues.

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ADL Colin

Honestly, cuz his followers sense of his and his campaign's importance is all out of whack with reality. It reminds me of Festinger's classic study of a UFO cult ("When Prophecy Fails")

Here is the wickipedia entry to save you the time:

Premise of study

... Another option would be to enlist social support for their belief. As Festinger wrote, "If more and more people can be persuaded that the system of belief is correct, then clearly it must after all be correct." In this case, if Mrs. Keech could add consonant elements by converting others to the basic premise, then the magnitude of her dissonance following disconfirmation would be reduced. Festinger et al. predicted that the inevitable disconfirmation would be followed by an enthusiastic effort at proselytizing to seek social support and lessen the pain of disconfirmation.

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FredIsMe

Without a revolution there is a bleak future ahead.

Pleasurepays

say's who?

the voters?

FredIsMe

The one's who can see beyond Fox News.

WoW!

Any publicity is good publicity, keep up the bashing cool kids... gotta love it.

I donated to the Ron Paul campaign again today

You can do it too, just like me: http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Pleasurepays

as i said... you ultimately have to rely on moronic reasoning like "everyones brainwashed, thats why they don't agree with me" and vast conspiracy theories because otherwise, your views fall apart under any real scrutiny and discussion.

i dont watch fox news.

i dont really watch any news at all.

charlie g

All I see is anti Paul people writing insults and just plain negativity. I would love to actually discuss some of what he wants to get done and what he can actually do SHOULD he get elected. But you people want no part of idea exchange, and I know why. Because you are too lazy to know what he stands for and probably don't care. If you did you would point out policy specifics instead of the dumb shit you guys all write. You think you are making Paul supporters look bad but it is yourselves that look like stalking kooks. Smear on!

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BV

Ron Paul has forgotten more than 12clicks or anyone else in this thread has ever even learned.

Plus he's not afraid to say what he thinks. I like that in an individual.

Most of the other candidates are too full of BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ron Paul has my vote.

Pleasurepays

really? you have done your share of insulting others as well for being "brainwashed".

you dont want to exchange ideas... you have an agenda you are pushing and a candidate that has no intention of running for president and slinging your share of insults while playing the martyr.

and people have been pointing things out and making arguments point for point... but from your side, all you have to respond with is mindless rhetoric like "oh... so you agree wtih the war in Iraq" and other insane, unrelated talking points, once the problems with your views are exposed.

your message is getting lost because you guys are incapable of making solid, well reasoned points that are rooted in reality and that the voting public can actually get behind.

collegeboobies

That could be about religion, or the Bush administration just as much about UFO cults and Ron Paul.

notoldschool

You just described yourself exactly. Now reread your post, think about it while you pick your nose, think about it somemore and then stay the fuck out of my threads.

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notoldschool

NH REPUBLICANS: DON?T LIMIT DEBATE PARTICIPANTS

CONCORD ? New Hampshire Republican Party Chairman Fergus Cullen releases the following statement regarding primary weekend debates:

?Limiting the number of candidates who are invited to participate in debates is not consistent with the tradition of the first in the nation primary. The level playing field requires that all candidates be given an equal opportunity to participate ? not just a select few determined by the media prior to any votes being cast.?

?Therefore, the New Hampshire Republican Party calls upon all media organizations planning pre-primary debates or forums for both parties to include all recognized major candidates in their events.?

?The New Hampshire Republican Party has notified FOX News of our position, and we are in ongoing discussions with FOX News about having as many candidates as possible participate in the forum scheduled for January 6.?

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notoldschool

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WoW!

"A funny world we live in when peace activists get arrested and war activists get millions of dollars."

I'm donating to Ron Paul again today to start my New Year off right.
You can do it too:
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charlie g

You have me mistaken for someone else. I have never called anyone brainwashed. I don't have an agenda, vote for the person you want. The only blanket statement I have ever written is that if you don't support Paul then you support a larger, more intrusive government- which I stand by.

Please Pleasure, tell me why Ron Paul is such a kook, specifically. Just one point in your opinion why he is too crazy to be the POTUS.

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ADL Colin

Not true though. You can favor a smaller government - even a much smaller government - but think that Paul OR the libertarian party goes too far with that view.

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Pleasurepays

if thats true, then i apologize. seems to me like everyone is a broken record on this issue and parroting the same rhetoric.

i've went into detail on this many times.

you just made my point again by saying "if you don't support Ron Paul, then you support....."

This is where you totally derail off the reality track in my opinion and this sentiment which you expressed is one of those common talking points of his supporters. Not supporting him means i'm automatically "wrong". That's total lunacy... but you don't see it that way at all. In fact, you are not even open to debating issues or considering any other view points. Thats a problem. Thats a problem Ron Paul supporters have. There is no discussion. its like talking to someone insisting the government blew up the WTC.

You are careful to say that you respect others choices, but as your statement above shows, you clearly don't. You have made it clear that there is only one real choice and anyone who choses different is choosing wrong. That again, the typical naïveté and close mindedness of the Ron Paul crowd.

Why do i think he's a kook? I don't really. He isn't trying to get the nomination. He has no intention of running for President. he is shaking things up a bit and forcing people to talk about entirely new and different things. I think thats good.

Had he been seriously trying to get the nomination, I was say he's a total lunatic for how he presents his ideas. Everything Ron Paul stands for is about tearing things apart. About dissembling government. He intentionally makes sensationalistic remarks and statements like that he'll dismantle the IRS on his first day in office. What you refuse to accept is that the people, the House and the Senate also have to be on board with him... not just a few million 20 year olds on random college campuses. Leadership in part is about effectively communicating a vision and getting people on board, not just repeatedly making bizarre remarks about how he is going to totally undo a lot of the federal government (presumably with or without the other branches of government or even popular support).


it really doesn't matter what i say. I know that. Ron Paul for you guys at this point, is a religion and he is the messiah. while the rest of the country are carefully paying attention to ALL the candidates, weighing their positions, and assessing them, you guys are at a complete loss as to how everyone can deny the messiah has come.

You point to conspiracies in the media to keep his message quiet... totally ignoring that its one people heard and they just don't like it. Ron Paul supporters have to call others brainwashed like the typical 9/11 conspiracy theorist because in the minds of most Ron Paul supporters, there simply can't be any other explanation as to why the average American would deny the message of Ron the Messiah... and its bordering on scary at this point.

When you have decided that there is no other acceptable opinion or view than your own... or that your own subjective opinions and preferences are in fact, objective facts.... then you are starting down the path of becoming a danger to others. You have adopted the thinking of the Hitlers, the Stalins, the Lenins, and the Mao Tse-tungs of the world. They too knew what was better for the masses. They too knew that the majority was wrong and shouldn't be trusted to define their world. They too knew that people simply needed a handful of people to make the bulk of their decisions for them. They too knew that people simply needed to be reprogrammed and their thinking changed.... because the people were denying such obvious truths as to what is best for them and for the country and for the future.

Socks

C'mon pleasure, the reason we don't debate whether Ron Paul is better or worse than the other candidates is because THAT is lunacy. They don't even stand for anything, they just promise a bunch of shit, then take office and backtrack on everything.

It's liars VS someone whose proven that at least he stands for something, and will use logic and consider things as he goes along. Everyone else is just playing the election game as usual, and THAT, we don't like.

Honestly that's one of your arguments!! You ENJOY that game it seems, and if Ron doesn't play it right, then he's an idiot according to you!

I guess it's the difference between a married man who loves his wife and a married man who says he loves his wife but then takes every opportunity to fuck anything that moves, yeah?

ADL Colin

Is it just coincidence that so many Paul supporters sound like something right out of "Jesus Camp"? We are the moral ones, not you. We have the truth, you don't. "They are scared of us" (evangelicals). "What happened to my country"? "Evolution is JUST a theory".

Saint Paul. Marching Out.

Poor Levi.

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DivaShane

I don't mean to introduce more drama, but I do have some questions about Ron Paul.
After reading over some issues on his site I became concerned about his stance with corporations. Now I could have read his comments and taken them incorrectly but it seems to me that he would like to lessen possibly get rid of all corporate oversight in the government?
I am really concerned about this especially in light of what we saw conglomerates doing in the past few years. Any one else remember Enron? These sneaky bastards are already taking advantage of their consumer base on a daily basis. If this is indeed Dr. Paul's stance on business that could be a very dangerous position in the long term.
It also reads as though Dr. Paul supports continuation of NATFA. Again this is a worrisome situation in my opinion. We've seen many of our major corporations export jobs to other countries because their workforce is willing to take what works out to slave wages in order to increase the profit margins as well as their fat bank accounts.

If I have misread or misunderstood the comments then please correct me, and share a link to what ever article you site so that I can read it as well. Thanks for the clarification on these points.

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Socks

They did all this under the current administration's watch.

Pleasurepays

just more of the same....

Bush became President in Jan 2001. Enron filed for Bankruptcy in 2001. They were doing what they were doing for a severals years before Bush was in office.... but god forbid someone make the statement that "it all happened under the clinton administrations watch".

But who needs relevant facts right? This is about religion.

papill0n

Not as up on US politics as I might like to be but is it true Ron Paul said the dinosaurs never existed?

charlie g

No, that is a lie Ben. He said he believes in a creator and the specifics and time lines are interesting debate, but have nothing to do with the political discussion. Just another way Paul's critics try to paint him with the "fringe" brush.

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charlie g

Valid concerns. Enron happened right underneath the regulators' noses. If you take the corporate lobbyists out of the equation and close corporate tax loopholes much of the incentive to permit "creative accounting" will disappear.
You will still have the department of justice and state regulatory agencies to watchdog rogue corporations.

As far as NAFTA, I have read nothing to the contrary- Ron Paul wants will get us out of Nafta, WTO and the UN. I would be interested to read where he waffles on NAFTA.

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charlie g

Evolution is just a theory, really. Natural selection is verifiable as a means of origin speciation, but as for the origin of larger taxa there is absolutely no evidence. It is believed to be accurate, but there is no proof.

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ADL Colin

It's the word "just" i object to. "Just a theory" is commonly and incorrectly used by people without a background in science. What these people typically understand "theory" to mean is what should be called "hypothesis".

Of course, "just" is in this case is an attempt at belittlement.

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charlie g

It's ok.
Which is true. Is there any other candidate that has as a central issue to reduce the size of government, let alone a record in public office consistent with the position? Now, you may also want smaller government too. But if you vote for ANY of the other candidates, by proxy, you support larger government. It's no big deal. Many people believe government is too small.


I don't think it is lunacy at all, and I never said you were "wrong". I want to debate some issues with you or anyone else, but it seems our discussions never get to that level. You get defensive and the rhetoric flows, along with the insults.

LOL, again, I never said people chosing another candidate are wrong. My statement is that if you don't support Ron Paul you support a larger, more intrusive government. How does that equate to being wrong?

I disagree. He is running for POTUS and I believe many people are going to be surprised by how well he does. I am in no way saying he will be the next POTUS, but in MY OPINION he is what this country needs. He would stand a greater chance of winning if more people would take the time to read about him instead of listening to the sound bites that obviously try to show him in the worst possible light.

Conspiracy? I don't think it's an organized conspiracy by the Rothschilds or Rockefellers. But I think it is a natural reaction by those in the "establishment" to keep the status quo.


This is where you totally lose me. Paul plans to uphold his oath to preserve, protect and defend the constitution. It is the centerpiece of his campaign to return the office to constitutionality. His goal is to dismantle governmental bureaucracies that are wasteful and unconstitutional. He wants to work within the system (congress and courts) to make the changes needed.

How can he effectively present his message to America when the mainstream media tries to distort his message if they even let him speak? And then the minions of smear (and I count you as one) spout half truths and lies as evidence of him and his supporters insanity.
I have looked at every candidate. And if I had to anoint a President it would be Ron Paul. And compared to the field, this guy is the messiah if you count honesty and principles. Leave the religion to the Huckabee supporters.

...the one people heard. Are you sure he has had the opportunity to be heard? The only place I have heard him is on youtube. I don't count the hatchet job on meet the press. The only consolation is that his supporters are giving him the means to be heard independent of the love from the established media. We will see the effects in a few days/weeks. You may be correct, the general public may not want to hear his message.


Ha ha hahahahahah loloolooloolol . ROFLMMFAO. Fascism is what we have now my friend. You still can't come with anything concrete. I believe it is you who is a fascist because any mention of Ron Paul sends you and your kind into a frenzy.

Look, vote for whomever you feel the best. I don't care. But when you make assertions that are half truths or total falsehoods people who support him are going to make noise. Call them fanatical or whatever, but many of us feel like this is our only opportunity to start to swing the pendulum in the other direction.

Have a Happy New Year and vote for Ron Paul... or not

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charlie g

sorry for the use of just. I am in now way trying to belittle Darwin or Evolution. I believe that we did evolve from something much different than we are now. But, evolution pertaining to the origin of man is a hypothesis, hence the term "missing link". I also want to add that creationism and evolution are not necessarily at odds, which was pretty much wat Dr. Paul said if you watched the full clip.

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same here. The reason he gets blasted for being a "kook" or a "crank" is because he freely says what he believes. Not at all like the rest of the slick, polished, packaged, "viable" candidates the media loves so much. I don't agree with everything Ron Paul says or believes in but he's definitely heads and shoulders above the rest of the pack.

Just my

Ron Paul FTW!

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Pleasurepays

ok... you seem to think i care more about Ron Paul, the next president or the USA in general than i do. ALL i have been doing in my conversations is poking fun at his supporters.... so i'm not going to waste anymore time with this ignorant crap.

the statement above kinda highlights my point again, where anyone can see that you are completely out of touch with reality.

"if you vote for ANY of the other candidates, by proxy, you support larger government"

i seriously doubt you will ever understand the complete and total lapse in reasoning and logic that could lead you to make a statement like that, so i fear explaining it is going to be nothing more than wasted pixels.

you don't support a larger government by supporting any other candidate than Ron Paul anymore than you support murdering kittens because one candidate promises kittens will never die under his presidency. like all voters that aren't avid Ron Paul supporters, I can be concerned about kittens and be concerned about 100 other things at the same time you know?

but hey! you guys are on a roll.... 15 yr old kids are "marching" on World of Warcraft right now for Ron Paul... and it makes perfect sense. what better way to make a statement about changing current realities and real world problems, than by showing unity and support in a fake one.

as i have said many times, the biggest problem with Ron Paul, what he stands for and his message, are his supporters.

Pleasurepays

as i recalled a quote from F Scott Fitzgerald a few minutes ago, i started to sympathize with Ron Paul supporters and their simplistic views on things....

"The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two diametrically opposed ideas in the mind at the same time."

charlie g

Let me finish that quote for you ...and still retain the ability to function.

I think RP supporters are functioning quite well, to the tune of $20million raised.

I am not even going to get into your kitten analogy which is just plain ludicrous. It's not the same and you know it. You can chose to bury your head in the sand for all the silly reasons you can come up with. I chose to do something about with my vote and my money(function).

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it's funny how ron paul plays on fear as well

i wonder if he actually thinks about that

BV

Of course he thinks about it, because he actually believes in them and wants to do something about it.

(like the fear of losing our privacy or the right to own firearms)

Glad to here you are checking him out and learning what he is all about.

VOTE: RON PAUL!

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Pleasurepays

its the exact same thing.

hitler made the trains run on time

voting against hitler doesn't mean you support the trains not running on time.

only a total retard could see such a complex decision in such a simplistic way.

what you simply refuse to understand is that THIS is the reasoning and behavior that people are making fun of when it comes to Ron Paul supporters.

its not HIS message that is the problem. its not the idea of "strict constitutionalism" thats the problem.

the problem is the fact that its all being turned into a circus side-show by lunatics.

Pleasurepays

so what? thats like saying any cult leader is doing well because he has support. Sun Myung Moon should have been President... his followers gave him billions... or how about Jim Jones... the support and the devotion of his followers would have made him a great President.... or Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh... so what if he had 90 Roll's Royce's at the expense of his followers... what matters is that he was able to get a bunch of lunatics to give everything to him. Maybe we should bring him back to be President???



you guys are acting like cult followers... "our leader can do no wrong" and "there is only one TRUE choice"

its getting freaky and scary.

charlie g

You're the scary one. Your grasping at outlandish analogies makes you look like a kook. I think I am done with this discussion because I can see your hate runs deep and Ron Paul is disturbing for you. Vote for Obama Hilary Hukabee McCain. I dont care. Try to stay out of Ron Paul threads because I would hate for you to have a breakdown.

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