nico-t

yep, the freeloaders, i never fall for it how hot the chick may be... once a chick i just met says 'why dont you get me a drink' after dancing with her ass against me or something, it shows she's a fucking bum and its all for a fucking drink... the ultimate turnoff for me. Always say no and walk away or when im really drunk i just tell her to fuck off. LOL

bausch

I would never ask a guy to buy me a drink. I think paying implies socio-economic power. I pay for myself always. Asking someone for a drink is already implying that they have more financial power than you. I think males/females should split it 50/50 down to the penny for dinner, dates, everything.

sltr

lol @ the armchair psychoanalysis via message board posts.

tony286

You seem to have issues dealing with people in general. Have you ever thought about therapy? It must to awful your like a prisoner in your own home.

SleazyDream

sad you think like this.

what if you're the ONLY girl he hits on?

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I leave my home pretty much everyday. I don't do social things like clubbing/bars but I've been too lazy to cook lately so I leave at least once a day to get food, coffee, juice. I go to the mall about every other day. I go to the movies every week (I like to go alone) so it's not like I never leave my house.

SleazyDream

sounds a lot like a whore or stripper attitude to be honest

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Another penis-size competition.

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pornguy

Maybe then, you shouold just hang out in the girls only bars and stores.

That is the way things are, and always will be. Its one of the things that never evolved out of us. Although Cave men asked what rock they hung out with, it was part of life. Same today. Same way we are ready to sleep after fucking, and you want to cuddle.

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dial

you are an idiot if you think most men use this type of shit

i would guesstimate the percentage of men that use techniques like this is in the single digits...

in my entire life I have NEVER known any guy personally that employed tactics like the ones on that site

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understand this

you are an idiot

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fact: you are a lesbian

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All women want is power, and they are looking for as much money as possible. Is there anything else to understand?

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Pornwolf

Bausch thinks too much.

I think she's one of the few people who would be better off as a heroin addict so she wouldn't think as much.

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pornask

What a worthless thread. Three pages long, no pics of boobs...

bausch

No, I'm not a lesbian at all. I get along better with men than women, even though men are playas, because men tend to be nicer. Women are usually very catty and competitive.

bronco67

When you're that one guy that is indifferent to her good looks, then she will notice you. Flattery gets you nowhere usually, except looking like the average chump.

bausch

Yep, according to FastSeduction that's called a neghit

http://www.fastseduction.com/guide/0.../neghits.shtml

More neghits explained

http://www.fastseduction.com/guide/0...ghits_xp.shtml

Example 1 of using a neghit
ASF: "When you see a HB and she snuffs you ... tell her you think her dress is very nice (something she has heard before) and then tell her you remember seeing her at a club before and she was wearing the same dress. It IS nice though. Whether or not you ever saw her before, you can ASSUME she HAS been social before and that she was wearing the dress before. This deflates her INSTANTLY and puts you in control."

Example 2 of using a neghit
Guy: What do you do?
Gal: Oh, I'm a model.
Guy: Oh yeah, your hair looks kinda nice... / Oh, like a hand model or something?

Example 3 of using a neghit
Mystery: "If you are in a bar and you approach a girl, she basically KNOWS you want to fuck her. You have to somehow convey that you didn't come for sex but because you are talkative about some even MORE interesting than HER. The only thing from you that can make a 10 NOTICE you is if you show her she doesn't matter to you in the slightest... that is a NEG"

Negging before kissing. Daniel, ASF: "I love the little gem by mystery where he said to neg a girl before kissing her, now how devious is that? You make her feel self conscious and then you relieve the very feelings you caused"

Examples of negging a beauty. (Only for use with 10s or 9s who simply HAVE to know they ARE beautiful, any less beautiful girls can easily be destroyed by these!) After you've negged her looks in some manner, follow up with:

* "You are really interesting, or at least you're not THAT ugly."
* "No really, I've seen uglier girls"
* "Well, at least you should be lucky to have a good body [to compensate for whatever it was you negged]"

More neghits
Dan Scorpio, ASF:

* "You are nearly as tall as me. I like tall girls (LIFT). Are those heels 4 or 5 inches (DROP)?"

Mystery, ASF:

* "You blink alot"
* "Your nose wiggles when you talk"
* "Weren't you wearing this dress the last time you were here?"
* "Excuse me... may I finish my sentence first?"
* "Oooh... Sick... You just spit on me!" (when the girl is talking to you).

ASF:

* "Your hair looks kinda nice"

NikKay

Everyone is looking to get laid but it's not like they're out there specifically looking for a one night stand. It's usually girls that have little to offer other than their bodies that end up feeling like they've been played... because they give up their bodies too quickly and have nothing else to entice someone to stick around beyond that.

I am an attractive girl and I have never felt like I was being hit on as part of some numbers game. In fact, a lot of the guys I have met in a social setting are people I remain in touch with. Of course, I don't sleep with people I'm not dating and so, even if a guy starts talking to me as part of some "numbers game" he soon gets past that and decides he likes me enough to want to continue our conversation beyond the social situation we met in.

It's only possible to feel used if you let yourself be used. It's not the fault of the guy... and that's truth.

JohnnyJames

Poor grocery clerk. Damned if he DOES talk to you, damned if he doesn't.

bausch

I never had a one night stand or gave it up too soon. I only had 2 relationships and they both ended badly.

CDSmith

Jeezuz Bausch, you sound like a real treat to be around.

And my what a lovely big chip you have on your shoulder.

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You think that's bad, wait until you discover some of the other, more hypnotic, stuff. Hint: google nlp, octoberman sequence, ross jeffries, richard bandler

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bausch

And one more thing Paul, I like porn, I prefer watching porn over having sex. I think it's safer and just better and doesn't have any repercussions. I am not a "do-er" but more of a watcher. I like porn a lot so I think I'm in the perfect job. The fantasy is always better than the real thing. I'm surprised not all women watch porn everyday. It's better than sex. Of course women can get laid easily, but I prefer watching over the real thing now.

I like to watch. Not do.

Martin

haha great stuff..

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bausch

Interesting.

Read about October Man so far on another board :

"The October Man basically links intense pleasure and all good things in a woman's world to you, the PUA. It then links pain, loneliness etc to the outside world - ie everything else in her life. You end up with someone completely hooked on you, sexually, physically, and emotionally. Some would call that cool, sane men would call it 'A stalker'.

The skill isn't just in delivering the sequence, it's in doing so responsibly - if that's even possible. To put it in perspective, the guy who taught me OM had dumped his GF a couple of weeks before. She responded to the rejection by trying to open a vein with a pen, right there in his lounge."

Sweet...

AK

can you teach me how to hit on a woman?

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bausch

nlp is interesting stuff...

wtf

(NLP). An entirely wigged-out approach to psychology and communication that had been around since the mid- 1970s, NLP brought about change through the use of trance states, hypnotic language patterns, embedded commands and lots of other weird shit - and it promised these changes in half-hours or hours, not months or years.

For Jeffries, Speed Seduction as a practical application of NLP was about building altered states of consciousness in both the seducer and the seducee. For the guy, using various kinds of affirmations, the idea was to install in himself all manner of ferocity, playfulness, clarity, outrageousness and cockiness, no matter what kind of weenie-loser-geek, horndog or edge seeker he may have been before. Thus supercharged and in control, the guy then engaged himself in a singular mission: to capture and lead the imagination of the HB of his choice. He might start by saying to the woman, "I have an intuition about you," which would perk up her ears - after all, he was talking about her favorite person, herself - and lead her from a state of presumed neutrality (the guy was probably not the best-looking guy in the coffee shop) to definite interest and intrigue. He might then offer to analyze her handwriting. O r he might tell her that she was a very visual person and proceed to conjure up images in her mind - deeply sensual images - by telling her metaphoric stories, stories that SSers called patterns. Full of sensory-rich descriptions, these patterns were cone structed mostly of so-called process language - vague, nonspecific wordings that allowed the HB's imagination to roam and that led the HB into a dreamy kind of trance state. They were also full of sexual suggestion, with the typical pattern making liberal use of words like open, penetrate, come inside, surrender, below me (pronounced blow me) and your mind (pronounced you're mine). Each of the patterns had a name among others, there was the Discovery Channel pattern, the Incredible Connection pattern, the Peak Experience pattern and the much-loved, often-used Blow Job pattern, which luridly described eating a piece of chocolate and ended with the suggestion that "It's like an explosion of pleasure in your mouth" - and could be run verbatim, although the ultimate goal, for advanced SS students only, was to be able to make up patterns on the spot.

I don't think this shit would work on me. I would think someone was a nutjob and literally run away if they started talking about weird patterns.

seeric

you're full of yourself sounds like. chicks hit on me all the time, it's not just the other way around. having a personality means not having to use stupid lines for some of us. and it IS a numbers game. a certain amount of girls have boyfriends, a certain amount aren't wearing rings and are married, a certain amount are lesbians, a certain amount dont want a boyfriend but need to fuck like the rest of us, a certain amount want a boyfriend, a certain amount hate men, a certain amount are too full of themselves and think they walk on water and are too good for men or women. so, yes it is a numbers game. how do you meet anyone if you don't talk to anyone?

thank god i'm related to juicy and blessed with amazingly hot looks so i don't have to accidentally meet women who think its an imposition to have to say a few words to someone in public.

wow.

Linguist

The "patterns" are just stories, they are metaphors that are connected by your unconscious. Erickson was really famous for using them in his inductions to help clients and Bandler uses nothing BUT stories to teach. If you download one of his seminars, the first listen you'll be like "wtf" is he talking about? But he's one of the highest paid public speakers around.

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bausch

This would be ideal and I would be flattered. I don't think it's likely to happen though.

Martin

I just think you need a good shag and you'll be fine. It's pretty clear you've had some bad run ins with men.

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Skillz Unlimited

Just like a woman, over analyzing.

CDSmith

One of the best posts in this thread. Possibly THE best.

Well said sir.

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I'm confused...I love sex. It feels better than anything...so what is wrong with trying to get laid when you see a woman who turns you on? If she likes what she sees and wants it too then you both just scored. If not, then you both might see another that turns you on. Since when did being horny and getting laid become "bad" anyway? I musta fell asleep and woke up in Bizzaro World.

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Got it.

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bausch

It's not bad, it's only bad when the guy is being deceptive or using shady tactics like hypnosis and NLP or whatever... There's nothing wrong with being horny and getting laid, it's not complimentary though because you're not special if you're girl #15 he's trying to get with for the night, you're just another number like the rest... Also some guys don't even get numbers to get laid but instead to boost their ego, or just to collect them... or to practice their skills just to see if they can get you.

G-Rotica

I think I'm going to go with ugly man hating hardcore butch lesbian.

bausch

How can I be a lesbo when I don't even get along with women? they are usually catty, competitive, bitchy, etc. Even worse than men Women are sneakier when they don't like you, they do it in a snide catty way, they aren't direct or straightforward as men.

carol.prime

you'll feel the real motive of a person when he approaches and ask you about something. if you feel that you can't trust that guy then ignore him. imho.

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G-Rotica

My best guess would be denial.

dig420

That shit is dumb. I read the book by the guy who started that whole movement and got THIS guy started. Of course, they started it because they couldn't get laid. The guy who created the movement (that's what it turned into, a movement) left it because he ended up living in a house full of guys trying to learn to pick up girls. The only thing these guys do that's better then what most guys do is they talk to a lot of women and they dress up really loud. Peacocking definitely gets you noticed - you can ask Hal about that lol - but I don't think it gets you laid.

Being 6' 4" and in shape gets you laid ;)

Pipecrew

I talked about this lastnight with a girl, I really thought it built a girls confidence but i was wrong, she said girls equate confidence to other girls that are around.

Linguist

Yup, it's not that hard to tell if someone is being genuine or is trying to fuck around.

Also, proactively APPROACHING people to find out more about them may not be as bad as you think. Guys that don't approach women may turn out to be far more genuine and less playerish than the ones who do

And if you think it's "man's job" to talk to you then don't be pissed if 90% of those are only interested in a quick fuck.

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czarina

honey, speak for yourself. I'm a woman, and it doesn't bother me to have guys hitting on me. Actually, I think it's flattering.
Then again, I don't care what their motives are... I'm not going home with any of them, since I'm happily married.

baddog

Yet she whines that the cashier at the supermarket did not say hello to her after saying hello to the customer before her.

themonk

my ratios are 1;1000 ;)

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Kevin Marx

Damn... you go to sleep and the thread goes two more pages on ya.

I bought The Game and also watched the Pick Up Artist and have to say that although I found them interesting, I would never use the material verbatim as they presented it. I read/watched them because there is something to be said about situations that make it easier for you to "Cold Hit" someone you want to talk to. What do you think the popularity is of all those "Cold Calling" technique books for salespeople? They are identical to dating help books. Something that opens conversation. People are predictable creatures. Even if you think you are unique, there is a way into your soul and into your brain if worked the right way. It doesn't guarantee that I can get you to do what I want you to, but it stacks the odds in my favor that you will like me, that you will find me interesting, and you will accept what I have to say as non-threatening and perhaps even interesting enough to do.

The writer of The Game just published the follow up books and I am curious to read them.... see what else he has to say.

I am interested in these things for two reasons. 1- I was antisocial with women for the longest time. Attractive girls make me nervous for the sheer reason that they are attractive. I don't need to fuck all of them, I have no desire for that, but subconsciously they intimidate me a little. So that is something I want to reverse and have them either accept me at an equal level or perhaps even be slightly intimidated by me. Intimidation at any level usually allows you to control the situation to your advantage. Primarily, I just want to control that part of my social life and know that I can approach anyone and be interesting to them. 2- my work as a photographer requires me to present women in a very pleasing and alluring manner. I FUCKING HATE POSED SHOTS AND POSED FAKE WOMEN. I think 95% of porn sucks ass. I love seeing women be themselves, be sexual and showing you the side of themselves that is reality rather than the scripted porn whore. These types of "dating/approach" techniques can and have helped me to get a model I have never met into a frame of mind where she will perform for me because she wants to. She is genuinely interested in showing herself to me.. not to an audience.. but to me as an individual. Now I stick the camera in between and get the content I want. So for me it's not a dating technique or even a technique to get laid, it's something I use for my work to get to results that I desire.

The techniques are not all about getting laid. They have many applications.

baddog

I know someone that met her. Apparently she is kind of cute.