Mainstream vs Adult. An Observation. - GoFuckYourself.com

Barefootsies · 12-10-2007, 09:56 PM

1. Mainstream has 100 times as many working for beer money that adult.

2. Mainstream 'webmasters' are willing to sell off their sites at ridiculously low prices. Clone, rename, and do it again for $25

3. Mainstream people, the vast majority, do not seem to have a fucking clue what a domain, or website are worth.

4. Few mainstream people work online as their full time job.

5. There are just as many retards asshats in mainstream, but the difference is their board rule with an iron fist.

6. A large chunk of mainstream hang on every word of shoebitch as if he is all knowing.

7. There are just as many ass eaters, and supposed online celebrities in mainstream as the Lars of adult.

8. Fraud, rips offs, scams are even more ridiculous, and frequent on mainstream. Yes, that is really sad.

9. People in mainstream do not seem to be able to know how to gauge traffic, SE index, or value of listings.

10. A lot of mainstream do not seem to have a fucking clue about domains, SEO, or how type in's work. Nor what is truly considered traffic, or what 'conversions' mean w/o shady tactics.

If you are in mainstream, what have YOU noticed?

Pleasurepays · 12-10-2007, 09:59 PM

i think anyone in their right mind would read this board and think every single person in adult is a total fucking retard.

Pleasurepays · 12-10-2007, 10:00 PM

i think anyone in their right mind would read this board and think every single person in adult is a total fucking retard.

Barefootsies · 12-10-2007, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

i think anyone in their right mind would read this board and think every single person in adult is a total fucking retard.

Actually, that was so funny it NEEDED to be said twice.

Snake Doctor · 12-10-2007, 10:19 PM

Pleasurepays does have a point there. If what you know about the people in mainstream is from their boards, and those boards are like this one, then you're really not getting an accurate picture of how the "biz" actually works.

WiredGuy · 12-10-2007, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

If you are in mainstream, what have YOU noticed?

Shaving is very common and more disturbingly, ACCEPTED. I see tons of sponsors that will blatantly redirect your non-usa hits to someone else and say tough luck right to you.

Same for exits, any exit they pop generally goes unpaid to the affiliate.

Then you have sponsors that slap adsense on their homepages and you can bet your not getting a cut of that.

Generally speaking, I find mainstream marketing more shady in the techniques that affiliate programs do. Adult, it seems to be the affiliate that's doing shady techniques to get the sale.

WG

JD · 12-10-2007, 10:32 PM

either you're fucking or fucked it's the way of the internet... sadly...

Barefootsies · 12-10-2007, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

I find mainstream marketing more shady in the techniques that affiliate programs do. Adult, it seems to be the affiliate that's doing shady techniques to get the sale.

WG

Spot on.

nekrom · 12-10-2007, 10:44 PM

Yupers all off the above and then some. Some of the stuff they come up with makes me wander off scratching my head in amazement at times.

-N

Barefootsies · 12-10-2007, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by nekrom

Yupers all off the above and then some. Some of the stuff they come up with makes me wander off scratching my head in amazement at times.

-N

That makes two of us.

I love how people who do not have, nor have ever had a pay, or membership site, claim to know what it's worth.

I thought adult was ridiculous with low balling, insulting offers. But it's nothing compared to mainstream. People with actual websites, some adsense sales, or some quality traffic selling their shit for $25.

Some domains that are excellent for type in's or awesome if they had a site attached selling for $5.

Ridiculous.

msan · 12-11-2007, 08:38 PM

I absolutely hate domain squatters. They just park the domain name then sell it for ridiculous prices. Ughh!!

L-Pink · 12-11-2007, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

i think anyone in their right mind would read this board and think every single person in adult is a total fucking retard.

I'm as normal as you are.

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Barefootsies · 12-11-2007, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by msan

I absolutely hate domain squatters. They just park the domain name then sell it for ridiculous prices. Ughh!!

Agreed.

d-null · 12-11-2007, 09:13 PM

the demographics amaze me

more than 50% of mainstream so called webmasters are teenagers

they have no concept of the idea that the money they expect to live off of forever without having to get a real job actually has to come from somewhere

they don't realize that the way things are today might be completely different in a year or two

they have a sense of entitlement where they see no wrong in scamming there way to money (ie. "wtf? adsense banned me those assholes" etc...)

the third world countries seem to have even more of the above, sometimes I wonder if every second teenager that has the internet in some of these countries is a 'webmaster'

baddog · 12-11-2007, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jetjet

more than 50% of mainstream so called webmasters are teenagers

Where did you pull that number from?

d-null · 12-11-2007, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Where did you pull that number from?

might be inaccurate, but I doubt it

got the number from polls on the largest mainstream webmaster board (dp)

I think the number was higher than 50%, so I put 50% down to be conservative

MikesTraffic · 12-11-2007, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Where did you pull that number from?

you know that like 78 % of all statistics are made up right :P

baddog · 12-11-2007, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jetjet

might be inaccurate, but I doubt it

got the number from polls on the largest mainstream webmaster board (dp)

I think the number was higher than 50%, so I put 50% down to be conservative

Oh, so in order to be a mainstream webmaster you have to post on mainstream webmaster boards and participate in their polls?

Guess I have some posting to do.

FYI, most adult webmasters don't post here or anywhere else either.

seeric · 12-11-2007, 09:33 PM

http://affiliate-program.amazon.com/...oc_join _main

4%

of a 10 dollar book.

i know this is a terrible assumption of what mainstream is, but how be damned if i'm giving up the good markets that i'm working in so everyone can try to run into them.

and yes, what bare says is true true true. its even worse on the know it all level with a lot of these so called "experts"

i don't post on any mainstream boards, but i read several religiously.

my

is your adult experience is tens times as valuable and you should not listen to any of these kooks who say they are a seo genius this or an AM Guru that. Mold your own path and fuck them all.

Blah blah blah.

baddog · 12-11-2007, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MikesTraffic

you know that like 78 % of all statistics are made up right :P

If he had said his ass, I would have accepted that as a valid answer.

baddog · 12-11-2007, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by A1R3K

http://affiliate-program.amazon.com/...oc_join _main

4%

of a 10 dollar book.

i know this is a terrible assumption of what mainstream is, but how be damned if i'm giving up the good markets that i'm working in so everyone can try to run into them.

and yes, what bare says is true true true. its even worse on the know it all level with a lot of these so called "experts"

i don't post on any mainstream boards, but i read several religiously.

my

is your adult experience is tens times as valuable and you should not listen to any of these kooks who say they are a seo genius this or an AM Guru that. Mold your own path and fuck them all.

Blah blah blah.

The difference being, there are a helluva lot more mainstream products out there to sell. Providing clues on how to market is not likely to hurt you since the odds of the reader choosing the exact same product/program as you are pretty slim.

d-null · 12-11-2007, 09:45 PM

well, I believe those numbers are in the range of being a true estimation

that is how sampling works, you get an idea of an overall percentage even though you only sample in a small area (of course you are correct in the thought that the percentage could be inaccurate)

I went and looked up the polls to get exact numbers...

webmasters that responded to mainstream board poll:

18 and under - 33.14%
19 to 21 - 18.34%
22 to 25 - 21.3%
26 to 35 - 14.2%
36 and up - 7.1%

take it for what it's worth

Dcat · 12-11-2007, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

i think anyone in their right mind would read this board and think every single person in adult is a total fucking retard.

ROTFLMAO!! Good Point!

Somewhere out there is a post on a mainstream board saying pretty much the same thing about adult webmasters.

baddog · 12-11-2007, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jetjet

well, I believe those numbers are in the range of being a true estimation

that is how sampling works, you get an idea of an overall percentage even though you only sample in a small area (of course you are correct in the thought that the percentage could be inaccurate)

I went and looked up the polls to get exact numbers...

webmasters that responded to mainstream board poll:

18 and under - 33.14%
19 to 21 - 18.34%
22 to 25 - 21.3%
26 to 35 - 14.2%
36 and up - 7.1%

take it for what it's worth

looks like 66% are over 18

RogerV · 12-11-2007, 09:46 PM

try a mainstream/adult site like www.GetRichInPorn.com work with all traffic

d-null · 12-11-2007, 10:00 PM

....anyways, my post wasn't intended to be a discussion of exact statistics.... I just meant that there are alot of damn kids in mainstream

instead of saying 50% and getting challenged on the nitty gritty, I should have just said that it seems half of the people posting on mainstream boards are under 19

Pleasurepays · 12-11-2007, 10:05 PM

....searching mainstream forums right now for "i was reading adult forums... this DonnyLong guy must be really important" threads now...

Linguist · 12-11-2007, 10:44 PM

Mainstream has MANY more niches. There are people in the most obscure niches that you never heard of who are making a bank. Thing is, it's not easy to get in to one of these and the amount of misinformation out there is paramount, with some exceptions.

And it's kinda sad - even if you consider the gfy demographics, people in adult seem a lot smarter than their mainstream counterparts. Percentage of dumbasses there is staggering.

Barefootsies · 12-11-2007, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Linguist

And it's kinda sad - even if you consider the gfy demographics, people in adult seem a lot smarter than their mainstream counterparts. Percentage of dumbasses there is staggering.

This had to be quoted for the insanely sick truth in the summation of fact.

Barefootsies · 12-11-2007, 11:08 PM

To continue..

The ages really do show on mainstream. Either that, or they are some of the least intelligent, no money having people I've come across in the online business at times.

People selling off domains for $5. Decent designed sites for $25. Clone and resell them over and over for what?!!?!?? $5-10 profit?!?!??

People who can't recognize good SEO domains, type in or otherwise when it's right there in your google, or overture results. Idiots who can't understand a membership site, and how it's golden compared to some other niches.

I mean, I could go on, and on. But what I am getting at is the collective cluelesssness, and no money having know-it-alls.

Snake Doctor · 12-11-2007, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

To continue..

The ages really do show on mainstream. Either that, or they are some of the least intelligent, no money having people I've come across in the online business at times.

People selling off domains for $5. Decent designed sites for $25. Clone and resell them over and over for what?!!?!?? $5-10 profit?!?!??

People who can't recognize good SEO domains, type in or otherwise when it's right there in your google, or overture results. Idiots who can't understand a membership site, and how it's golden compared to some other niches.

I mean, I could go on, and on. But what I am getting at is the collective cluelesssness, and no money having know-it-alls.

I don't understand why you seem to be complaining about this. Why aren't you in there buying this shit up if they're giving it away?

Or tell me where they're selling this shit so cheap so I can buy some.

Barefootsies · 12-11-2007, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

I don't understand why you seem to be complaining about this. Why aren't you in there buying this shit up if they're giving it away?

Or tell me where they're selling this shit so cheap so I can buy some.

I've been doing that bud. Although I had gotten a little carried away and snapped up too much just because it was a good deal.

However on almost everything I bought up, I turned a profit simply on the turn around. Bought sites for $50/200/500 and a few months later sold them for 4+ times the value.

If you have some money, and time, you could easily do this alone. Between snapping up golden domains, and sites.

But my point was that few seem to know, or understand the true value of their properties.

d-null · 12-11-2007, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

I don't understand why you seem to be complaining about this. Why aren't you in there buying this shit up if they're giving it away?

Or tell me where they're selling this shit so cheap so I can buy some.

one point I see is that it is a huge nickel-and-dime world for a large part.... people that work hours a day to make 35 cents on adsense

Barefootsies · 12-12-2007, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jetjet

one point I see is that it is a huge nickel-and-dime world for a large part.... people that work hours a day to make 35 cents on adsense

Exactly!!

People who think a website that makes a dollar a day in adsense revenue is BIG CHEDDAR.

The Other Steve · 12-12-2007, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

6. A large chunk of mainstream hang on every word of shoebitch as if he is all knowing.

Guess where the Shoe came from?

He didn't just spring up in mainstream and become and overnight hit.

Barefootsies · 12-12-2007, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by The Other Steve

Guess where the Shoe came from?

He didn't just spring up in mainstream and become and overnight hit.

To hear him tell it. Ring tones.

The Other Steve · 12-12-2007, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

To hear him tell it. Ring tones.

Nope - sometimes he admits to something else

Barefootsies · 12-12-2007, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by The Other Steve

Nope - sometimes he admits to something else

Must be when he is drunk at shows.

He slips up on his show from time to time reinforcing he was a fat, tittie loving creep. But most of the time when I have heard his tails, he "started in the mobile industry. Borrowed everyone's credit cards, and learned adwords".

Barefootsies · 12-12-2007, 10:24 AM

For those in the market for a STEAL...

Some guy on DP is selling custom made, everything included, porn websites (any niche) $150.00 each. Go aand get em while their hot!!

Barefootsies · 12-12-2007, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Good post and lot's to learn here so I think I'll pitch in and answer too. I'm a mainstream site/community owner with well over 160k+ "active" members. My first community (a niche gaming site) started 4 years ago and grew to 110+ members. The second (outdoor sites) was more of a fun project that grew, but I was never to too serious about tell now. It just broke the 50k member and 200k uniques a month so it's time to get serious.

1. Mainstream has 100 times as many working for beer money that adult.

True. Most have never made porn "type" money to get serious.

2. Mainstream 'webmasters' are willing to sell off their sites at ridiculously low prices. Clone, rename, and do it again for $25

I have seen many great potential sites, sites, and concepts abandoned.

3. Mainstream people, the vast majority, do not seem to have a fucking clue what a domain, or website are worth.

True. But then there are a small few who think they are the next facebook.

4. Few mainstream people work online as their full time job.

True, very true. They don't know how to make money.

5. There are just as many retards asshats in mainstream, but the difference is their board rule with an iron fist.

It is usually because they are just an average person in the real world and got lucky with a site.

6. A large chunk of mainstream hang on every word of shoebitch as if he is all knowing.

?????

7. There are just as many ass eaters, and supposed online celebrities in mainstream as the Lars of adult.

Most are self imposed.

8. Fraud, rips offs, scams are even more ridiculous, and frequent on mainstream. Yes, that is really sad.

A fool and his money are soon parted. Lot's of fools in mainstream.

9. People in mainstream do not seem to be able to know how to gauge traffic, SE index, or value of listings.

A majority can't even figure out how to use an admin panel let alone marketing. To be honest, many don't need the traffic or knowledge. I know a guy that owns a huge outdoor site and when I visiting I watched him (20x) type his domain name in Google to get to his site.

10. A lot of mainstream do not seem to have a fucking clue about domains, SEO, or how type in's work. Nor what is truly considered traffic, or what 'conversions' mean w/o shady tactics.

Yes. I have said this before many times on here and will say it again. If you make between $1000k-$5000k a month in porn you can make 10x that in a "niche" mainstream.

Good feedback and additions chum. Here's a thumbs up for ye.

12-10-2007, 09:56 PM	#1
Barefootsies Choice is an Illusion Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Land of Obama Posts: 42,635	Mainstream vs Adult. An Observation. 1. Mainstream has 100 times as many working for beer money that adult. 2. Mainstream 'webmasters' are willing to sell off their sites at ridiculously low prices. Clone, rename, and do it again for $25 3. Mainstream people, the vast majority, do not seem to have a fucking clue what a domain, or website are worth. 4. Few mainstream people work online as their full time job. 5. There are just as many retards asshats in mainstream, but the difference is their board rule with an iron fist. 6. A large chunk of mainstream hang on every word of shoebitch as if he is all knowing. 7. There are just as many ass eaters, and supposed online celebrities in mainstream as the Lars of adult. 8. Fraud, rips offs, scams are even more ridiculous, and frequent on mainstream. Yes, that is really sad. 9. People in mainstream do not seem to be able to know how to gauge traffic, SE index, or value of listings. 10. A lot of mainstream do not seem to have a fucking clue about domains, SEO, or how type in's work. Nor what is truly considered traffic, or what 'conversions' mean w/o shady tactics. If you are in mainstream, what have YOU noticed? __________________ Should You Email Your Members? Link1 \| Link2 \| Link3 Enough Said. "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

12-10-2007, 10:19 PM	#5
Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	Pleasurepays does have a point there. If what you know about the people in mainstream is from their boards, and those boards are like this one, then you're really not getting an accurate picture of how the "biz" actually works. __________________ sig too big

12-10-2007, 10:44 PM	#9
nekrom Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Australia/Asia Posts: 921	Yupers all off the above and then some. Some of the stuff they come up with makes me wander off scratching my head in amazement at times. -N __________________ Free Traffic

12-11-2007, 08:38 PM	#11
msan Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,336	I absolutely hate domain squatters. They just park the domain name then sell it for ridiculous prices. Ughh!! __________________ CUSTOM TOONS, BLOG THEMES and DESIGNS \| toonyshack AT gmail.com

12-11-2007, 09:33 PM	#19
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	http://affiliate-program.amazon.com/...oc_join _main 4% of a 10 dollar book. i know this is a terrible assumption of what mainstream is, but how be damned if i'm giving up the good markets that i'm working in so everyone can try to run into them. and yes, what bare says is true true true. its even worse on the know it all level with a lot of these so called "experts" i don't post on any mainstream boards, but i read several religiously. my is your adult experience is tens times as valuable and you should not listen to any of these kooks who say they are a seo genius this or an AM Guru that. Mold your own path and fuck them all. Blah blah blah. Last edited by seeric; 12-11-2007 at 09:34 PM..

12-10-2007, 09:59 PM	#2
Pleasurepays BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I live in a pile of boogers Posts: 11,913	i think anyone in their right mind would read this board and think every single person in adult is a total fucking retard.

12-10-2007, 10:00 PM	#3
Pleasurepays BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I live in a pile of boogers Posts: 11,913	i think anyone in their right mind would read this board and think every single person in adult is a total fucking retard.

12-10-2007, 10:32 PM	#7
JD Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 22,651	either you're fucking or fucked it's the way of the internet... sadly...

12-11-2007, 09:13 PM	#14
d-null . . . Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 13,724	the demographics amaze me more than 50% of mainstream so called webmasters are teenagers they have no concept of the idea that the money they expect to live off of forever without having to get a real job actually has to come from somewhere they don't realize that the way things are today might be completely different in a year or two they have a sense of entitlement where they see no wrong in scamming there way to money (ie. "wtf? adsense banned me those assholes" etc...) the third world countries seem to have even more of the above, sometimes I wonder if every second teenager that has the internet in some of these countries is a 'webmaster'

12-11-2007, 09:45 PM	#22
d-null . . . Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 13,724	well, I believe those numbers are in the range of being a true estimation that is how sampling works, you get an idea of an overall percentage even though you only sample in a small area (of course you are correct in the thought that the percentage could be inaccurate) I went and looked up the polls to get exact numbers... webmasters that responded to mainstream board poll: 18 and under - 33.14% 19 to 21 - 18.34% 22 to 25 - 21.3% 26 to 35 - 14.2% 36 and up - 7.1% take it for what it's worth

12-11-2007, 09:46 PM	#25
RogerV Banned! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,591	try a mainstream/adult site like www.GetRichInPorn.com work with all traffic

12-11-2007, 10:00 PM	#26
d-null . . . Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 13,724	....anyways, my post wasn't intended to be a discussion of exact statistics.... I just meant that there are alot of damn kids in mainstream instead of saying 50% and getting challenged on the nitty gritty, I should have just said that it seems half of the people posting on mainstream boards are under 19

12-11-2007, 10:05 PM	#27
Pleasurepays BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I live in a pile of boogers Posts: 11,913	....searching mainstream forums right now for "i was reading adult forums... this DonnyLong guy must be really important" threads now...

12-11-2007, 10:44 PM	#28
Linguist Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 1,706	Mainstream has MANY more niches. There are people in the most obscure niches that you never heard of who are making a bank. Thing is, it's not easy to get in to one of these and the amount of misinformation out there is paramount, with some exceptions. And it's kinda sad - even if you consider the gfy demographics, people in adult seem a lot smarter than their mainstream counterparts. Percentage of dumbasses there is staggering. __________________ 315-310

12-11-2007, 11:08 PM	#30
Barefootsies Choice is an Illusion Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Land of Obama Posts: 42,635	To continue.. The ages really do show on mainstream. Either that, or they are some of the least intelligent, no money having people I've come across in the online business at times. People selling off domains for $5. Decent designed sites for $25. Clone and resell them over and over for what?!!?!?? $5-10 profit?!?!?? People who can't recognize good SEO domains, type in or otherwise when it's right there in your google, or overture results. Idiots who can't understand a membership site, and how it's golden compared to some other niches. I mean, I could go on, and on. But what I am getting at is the collective cluelesssness, and no money having know-it-alls. __________________ Should You Email Your Members? Link1 \| Link2 \| Link3 Enough Said. "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

12-12-2007, 10:24 AM	#39
Barefootsies Choice is an Illusion Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Land of Obama Posts: 42,635	For those in the market for a STEAL... Some guy on DP is selling custom made, everything included, porn websites (any niche) $150.00 each. Go aand get em while their hot!! __________________ Should You Email Your Members? Link1 \| Link2 \| Link3 Enough Said. "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?" Last edited by Barefootsies; 12-12-2007 at 10:26 AM..